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feartheinvinceblehamster 11-15-05, 07:01 PM	Post the 2nd edition monsters you think should be revived in a future monster books. Mine are: Carrionete Feydragon Blazing Bones Psionic Lich House Hunter Mimic
Toran_A_Sunder 11-15-05, 07:19 PM	Man I wish I still had my 2e monster manual and fiend folio. The only two I can remember is That giant island turtle thing whosename began with a Z, and that cool shadow thing that also had a spot on the D&D cartoon. of course it wasa lot more weasily on the show than I think the monster should have been, but I liked it none the less.
babysamurai 11-16-05, 06:56 AM	I would like to see: Vaporighu Molydeus Atomie Island Giant Ogre Giant Algoid Giff Pirates of Gith Korred Sartani Tasked Genies Assuras Opinicus Leprechuan Brownie Quickling Killmoulis I'll get back to you later with some more.
RavinRay 11-16-05, 08:40 AM	The only two I can remember is That giant island turtle thing whosename began with a Z, and that cool shadow thing that also had a spot on the D&D cartoon. The first would be the zaratan, which is in the Arms and Equipment Guide; the second is the shadow demon and is, to my knowledge, not in any official WotC book. The EN World message boards has a thead about converting 2e monsters (http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=69690); some of these wind up in new Dragon issues, others in WotC books. Feydragon? Are you talking about the faerie dragon in Draconomicon? The vaporighu is in Monster Manual II, and the asura is in Book of Exalted Deeds. One psionic lich is in the psionics forums, the other is in Malhavoc Press' Hyperconscious by Bruce Cordell.
Gazza555 11-16-05, 09:04 AM	Another good place on Enworld is the Creature Catalog (http://www.enworld.org/cc/) site. There's a current list of converted creatures here (http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/index.php). The quickling was in 3.0 book Tome of Horrors by Necromancer Games, it's due to updated to 3.5 but AFAIK only as a pdf. Regards Gary
Veomyr 11-16-05, 10:13 AM	Flumph!!! Bring back the flumph!!
DrMorganes 11-16-05, 10:37 AM	Flumph!!! Bring back the flumph!!Flumph for 3.x (http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/flumph.htm)
yergerjo 11-16-05, 11:12 AM	the second is the shadow demon and is, to my knowledge, not in any official WotC book. The Shadow Demon is on pg. 173 of the Book of Vile Darkness. A different Kind of Shadow Demon was also found in Ravenloft and that was also updated in the S&S Ravenloft Denizens of Darkness/Dread.
Rumple_Cragstan 11-16-05, 11:28 AM	I didn't have the time to check through that revised list that Gazza posted, but a 2e monster that I would have liked to see (but still havn't, even in the Draconomicon) was the Steel Dragon. Hell, there's alot of dragons that need to be translated. Mercury Dragon and Yellow Dragon are amoung those as well. I seem to recall reading about a Brown Dragon, but I'm not quite sure if I have the name right.
Minister_for_Moral_Truth 11-16-05, 11:52 AM	The Steel Dragon was up on the D&D website some time ago. Observe here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20040328a
Ath'kethin 11-16-05, 12:51 PM	My vote would go for the xixchil - there's something about thri-kreen mad scientists obsessed with bodily modification that just twinkles my toes. Of course, if they mangle it the way they did the 'standard' thri-kreen (which is derived from the Dark Sun version, which was NOT the original thri-kreen), the xixchil would have all kind of absurd abilities tacked on just to vindicate a LA +3 or other such nonsense.
Kevtar 11-16-05, 12:58 PM	Winged Warriors from B8: Journey to the Rock, TSR No.: 9106 They were cool
Kaardomos 11-16-05, 02:07 PM	The mercury dragon was updated here. (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20040103a)
yergerjo 11-16-05, 02:17 PM	I'd actually like to see Modrons brought into an official product again. They were updated to 3e as a web enhancement for Manual of the Planes and now to 3.5 on Planewalker at... http://www.planewalker.com/entry.php?intEntryID=10856 I just wanna see them in an official product again, cuz Modrons are sweet.
thesoulcollector 11-16-05, 03:38 PM	Flumph for 3.x (http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/flumph.htm) This is a pretty good Flumph but it is not official. The Flumph was officailly redone in an adventure called "Box of Flumph" in Dungeon #118. We may actually see it in the new MM4.
Kobold Avenger 11-16-05, 05:05 PM	I'd like to see Modrons back too, but they're 1e monsters and so are a lot of the previously mentioned ones... My list would include: Angel, Agathinon Angel, Light Chososion (Why?! Just why, did the Ravid make it to 3.x but not the much cooler Chososion from that same book?) Dabus Demon, Bulezau Tanar'ri Dohwar Eladrin, Noviere Eladrin, Shiere (Why weren't all remaining Eladrin in the BoED? Even though I like the Shiradi too.) K'r'r'r (Am I spelling it with enough r's) Reigar and all related creatures (because they're sooo cheesy...) Rilmani, Abiorach Rilmani, Argenach Rilmani, Plumach Silt Horrors Yugoloth, Dhergoloth Yugoloth, Hydroloth
Lord Doombringer 11-16-05, 08:01 PM	Hmmmm...all of them! (Yeah, I know that that's an unrealistic want, but screw it!)
Dackad 11-16-05, 11:58 PM	Hmmmm.... a dreadfully long list I guess. Most of these have their origins in 1e, but oh well.... Algoid Argos Beholder, Observer Demon, Bulezau Demon, Kakkuu Demon, Lycosidilith Demon, Molydeus Demon, Phisarazu Demon, Raklupis Demon, Spithriku Dhour Dire Corby Dragon, Cloud Dragon, Mercury Dragon, Steel Dragon, Yellow Eater of Knowledge Entrope Eyewing Foo Creature Garmorm Giant, Verbeeg Golem, Bone Golem, Gargoyle Magnesium Spirit Ogrillon Ooze, Mustard Quasi-Elementals, All Quickling Sandling Scarecrow Skeleton Warrior Spider, Hook Tentamort Troll, Two-Headed Troll, Spirit Troll, Spectral Vacuous Vampiric Mist Wolf, Dread Wolf, Vampiric Yugoloth, Dergholoth Yugoloth, Guardian Yugoloth, Hydroloth Zombie Lord Yeah, some of these are available in the Creature Catalogue (and the Tome of Horrors, which I own) and others are available on the WotC site, but I'd just like to see them in a WotC book.
Benny BBQ 11-17-05, 12:58 AM	Some of the creatures that were mentionned have already been updated in official books... Faerie Dragon: Draconomicon Troll, Two-headed: Unapproachable East (Forgotten Realms) Here are those I'd like to see updated: Killmoulis Korred Leprechaun Verbeeg (half-giant) Arcanobion Obliviax Crab-Man Guardian Demon I think that we'll get many of them in the next monster book... Hopefully, we will... Peace!
Kastas 11-17-05, 02:43 AM	I'll won't be satisfied until they've finished updating every last creature from the Planescape monstrous compendiums. I'm not too nostalgic for the 2e ruleset, but I did love that setting...
Gazza555 11-17-05, 05:07 AM	... Angel, Agathinon Angel, Light ... Unless you only want offical versions, these two are currently being converted to 3.5 on this (http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58837) Enworld thread. Regards Gary
RavinRay 11-17-05, 06:42 AM	Hell, there's alot of dragons that need to be translated... Yellow Dragon are amoung those as well. I seem to recall reading about a Brown Dragon, but I'm not quite sure if I have the name right. Brown dragons are in Monsters of Faerūn, and yellow dragons are in the soon to be released Dragon Compendium by Paizo. If your favorite monster doesn't make it to Monster Manual 4, then ask Paizo to include it in the next Dragon Compendium; they will base the content on feedback from Vol. 1. And thanks for the ref for the shadow demon.
Mortepierre 11-17-05, 07:18 AM	Post the 2nd edition monsters you think should be revived in a future monster books. Mine are: Carrionete Feydragon Blazing Bones Psionic Lich House Hunter Mimic The carrionette was updated to 3.5 in S&S Denizens of Dread The Psilich template was introduced p.124-125 of S&S Ravenloft DMG (although it is supposed to be 3.5, I feel it's closer to 3.0) Also, in case some hadn't noticed yet, the fabulous Tome of Horrors has been updated to 3.5, although it's only available in pdf form. Right now, they're even selling it at a discount. http://www.drivethrurpg.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3019
tasslehoff220 11-19-05, 02:50 PM	As a really big fan of unique monsters I would like to see a 3.5 original render (not the gray render) and a 3.5 Jabberwock. Because of the new DR system it really could have dr/vorpal which would be really cool.
kajinoryu 11-20-05, 02:26 AM	One creature entry I really miss is the JuJu Zombie. It was tough to fight and fun to say.
Kem 11-20-05, 02:50 AM	The Enveloper. *cackles evilly*
Mr. FIXIT 11-20-05, 03:00 AM	Please bring back the Gambado! Oh how I miss that sweet creature... :D
Mortepierre 11-20-05, 09:10 AM	One creature entry I really miss is the JuJu Zombie. It was tough to fight and fun to say. It has become a template found in FR's Unapproachable East.
malykoth 11-20-05, 12:09 PM	Lots! But here are a few... Centaur-kin (all of them) Dragon, Jade Dragon, Moonstone (not the same as the force/ethereal dragon!) Dragon, Pearl Ebon Tiger Eladrins (any not already converted) Elemental, Time Genie, Tasked (all of them) Kercpa (Squirrel-folk!) Lycanthrope, Raven Lycanthrope, Swine Modrons (as both 3.5 monsters, and as a playable race) Nic'Epona Quasielementals; Ash, Dust, Lightning, Mineral, Radiance, Salt, Steam, Vacuum Rilmani (any not already converted) I am aware that some of the 3rd party companies have published versions of some of these creatures. I'd still like to see the WotC versions (call be a pureist, I guess). :)
Keoki 11-20-05, 12:36 PM	This is a pretty good Flumph but it is not official. The Flumph was officailly redone in an adventure called "Box of Flumph" in Dungeon #118. We may actually see it in the new MM4. Strange, the cover says "100% official"... Why would you think otherwise?
RavinRay 11-21-05, 06:51 AM	Lots! But here are a few... Dragon, Jade Dragon, Moonstone (not the same as the force/ethereal dragon!) Dragon, Pearl Just a caveat though, in the conversion sometimes a creature gets a rather radical makeover, as we've seen in various dragons like the rust dragon, the fire drake, and the adamantine dragon (less so).
Molu Kai 11-21-05, 09:43 AM	This is a pretty good Flumph but it is not official. The Flumph was officailly redone in an adventure called "Box of Flumph" in Dungeon #118. We may actually see it in the new MM4. I believe Dungeon and Dragon Magazine are official. Says so right on the cover of Dragon. Anyway, this thread is a great idea. Hopefully those in charge will look at it for inspiration with MM4. Finally, try this link: http://www.sulerin.com/creatures/creatures.asp?op=index It's an awesome monster index. It will even find monsters convert in the magazines.
Dark Kyosuke 11-21-05, 09:53 AM	The Enveloper. *cackles evilly* The Enveloper, please? (The winner is... YOU!)
q'afuu 11-21-05, 10:05 AM	More dragons? There are already more species of dragon than elf subraces. Truthfully, no setting I know can even logically have that many dragons to feed. I'd rather WotC focused on monsters that I can actually use in my settings without them standing out like a sore thumb.
Olly 11-21-05, 10:32 AM	Lycanthrope, Swine I'm with you there, mate. I already discussed my great desire to see Wereswine in a 3.5 product in the Monsters section. ;)
thesoulcollector 11-21-05, 12:50 PM	I believe Dungeon and Dragon Magazine are official. Says so right on the cover of Dragon. Anyway, this thread is a great idea. Hopefully those in charge will look at it for inspiration with MM4. Finally, try this link: http://www.sulerin.com/creatures/creatures.asp?op=index It's an awesome monster index. It will even find monsters convert in the magazines. I am sorry, I wasn't very clear when I posted!! :embarrass I meant that THIS Flumph (http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/flumph.htm) was not official and the one printed in Dungeon was official! Sorry 'bout that! :)
thesoulcollector 11-21-05, 12:56 PM	The Enveloper, please? (The winner is... YOU!) The enveloper was in the 1st Ed. Fiend Folio. It was like a big, nearly featureless humanoid made of white goo that tries to grapple you. If it succeeds it engulfs you and I believe it suffocates you to death. I will have to check the book and make sure that's correct (I haven't looked at my 1st ed. stuff for a long time now! :). I also liked the living statues that used to be in the D&D Basic or Expert box sets(can't remember which box). This was even before AD&D first ed., this is back when elf was a class not just a race! :) I believe they were redone in second edition in the Mystara Monsterous compendium but I don't think anyone has updated them to 3.x Ed. yet. They are kinda like golems but different. I think I might convert them myself! :plotting: Most of my players won't even know what they are! :)
Tait Ransom 11-21-05, 02:18 PM	Thessalmonsters. I've seen a good template online for them, but I'd love to see something official for them.
Forged_Fury 11-21-05, 03:20 PM	There was an OOTS about this, can't remember the number, but do remember one of the monsters mentioned... the "DREADED" Osquip. Nothing like a six (or eight?) legged rat with ginormous incisors... -Forged Fury
cwslyclgh 11-21-05, 06:02 PM	Osquip are in Races of Faerun.
FruitLoop 11-21-05, 06:42 PM	Id like to see the living wall and crypt thing converted. I still have the feind folio and other monster manuals for those of you who still use them. I play strictly 3.5 now. So email me if you are interested in purchasing them from me.
Kem 11-22-05, 02:19 AM	The enveloper was in the 1st Ed. Fiend Folio. It was like a big, nearly featureless humanoid made of white goo that tries to grapple you. If it succeeds it engulfs you and I believe it suffocates you to death. I will have to check the book and make sure that's correct (I haven't looked at my 1st ed. stuff for a long time now! :). In addition... It gains the abilities of anything it killed with its enveloping attack It gained HD, Special Abilities, Anything. Well except a better Thac0. Love Fiend Folio. Enveloper and Cyratid Colomn (Spelling wrong on that) being my favorites. It had just such freaky stuff in it.
Weenie 11-22-05, 03:57 AM	I'll won't be satisfied until they've finished updating every last creature from the Planescape monstrous compendiums. I'm not too nostalgic for the 2e ruleset, but I did love that setting... Try here: Planescape Monstrous Compendium v3.x (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=307692).
Zelinko 11-22-05, 07:00 AM	Lots! But here are a few... Centaur-kin (all of them) Dragon, Jade Dragon, Moonstone (not the same as the force/ethereal dragon!) Dragon, Pearl Ebon Tiger Eladrins (any not already converted) Elemental, Time Genie, Tasked (all of them) Kercpa (Squirrel-folk!) Lycanthrope, Raven Lycanthrope, Swine Modrons (as both 3.5 monsters, and as a playable race) Nic'Epona Quasielementals; Ash, Dust, Lightning, Mineral, Radiance, Salt, Steam, Vacuum Rilmani (any not already converted) I am aware that some of the 3rd party companies have published versions of some of these creatures. I'd still like to see the WotC versions (call be a pureist, I guess). :) You forgot Lycanthrope, Fox and Fox. [BTW Lycanthrope Fox Shouldn't be only female!]