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Phydorex
08-02-06, 10:51 AM A couple days ago in our campaign we encountered some Ghouls. I was curious exactly what a CHA based save is? In the Entry for them in the 3.5 book instead of a fortitude save to avoid their paralysis and the ghoul spawn, you have to make a CHA based save. This makes absolutely no sense, can someone explain this to me? I don't have a copy of the 3.5 manual or I would put exactly what it says down, but I found the inclusion of CHA in a save vs a ghouls touch to be pretty weird.

Herlp!
Glimm
08-02-06, 11:08 AM The save is a normal Fortitude saving throw based on Constitution. The note means that the saving throw DC is based on the ghoul's Charisma, so a ghoul with increased Charisma has a touch that is harder to resist.
Secrets Untold
08-02-06, 04:12 PM The paralysis save DC is traditionally Constitution-based, but because a ghoul (as an undead creature) has no Constitution score, it defaults to Charisma.
General_Ridley
08-02-06, 05:24 PM A couple days ago in our campaign we encountered some Ghouls. I was curious exactly what a CHA based save is? In the Entry for them in the 3.5 book instead of a fortitude save to avoid their paralysis and the ghoul spawn, you have to make a CHA based save. This makes absolutely no sense, can someone explain this to me? I don't have a copy of the 3.5 manual or I would put exactly what it says down, but I found the inclusion of CHA in a save vs a ghouls touch to be pretty weird.

Herlp!

you make a fort save as normal. all this means is that in calculating the save DC you have to make, they used the Ghoul's Cha modifier (since it has no Con modifier)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Phydorex 08-02-06, 10:51 AM	A couple days ago in our campaign we encountered some Ghouls. I was curious exactly what a CHA based save is? In the Entry for them in the 3.5 book instead of a fortitude save to avoid their paralysis and the ghoul spawn, you have to make a CHA based save. This makes absolutely no sense, can someone explain this to me? I don't have a copy of the 3.5 manual or I would put exactly what it says down, but I found the inclusion of CHA in a save vs a ghouls touch to be pretty weird. Herlp!
Glimm 08-02-06, 11:08 AM	The save is a normal Fortitude saving throw based on Constitution. The note means that the saving throw DC is based on the ghoul's Charisma, so a ghoul with increased Charisma has a touch that is harder to resist.
Secrets Untold 08-02-06, 04:12 PM	The paralysis save DC is traditionally Constitution-based, but because a ghoul (as an undead creature) has no Constitution score, it defaults to Charisma.
General_Ridley 08-02-06, 05:24 PM	A couple days ago in our campaign we encountered some Ghouls. I was curious exactly what a CHA based save is? In the Entry for them in the 3.5 book instead of a fortitude save to avoid their paralysis and the ghoul spawn, you have to make a CHA based save. This makes absolutely no sense, can someone explain this to me? I don't have a copy of the 3.5 manual or I would put exactly what it says down, but I found the inclusion of CHA in a save vs a ghouls touch to be pretty weird. Herlp! you make a fort save as normal. all this means is that in calculating the save DC you have to make, they used the Ghoul's Cha modifier (since it has no Con modifier)