3.5 Succubus Monster Progression? [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.5 Succubus Monster Progression? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Platonix
06-09-06, 01:57 PM A player in my campaign wants to play a succubus. Succubi are ECL 12 and the party is ECL 9, so we need a monster class progression, but the succubus was drastically altered between 3.0 (which Savage Species is based on) and 3.5. Particularly, they lost almost all of the spell-like abilities listed as "lesser succubus powers".
I offered to let the player use the 3.0 version with a couple of changes (summon vrock instead of balor, and change suggestion from a lesser power to a power) but the player was more interested in a 3.5 progression because it would likely involve getting energy drain sooner to compensate. I actually have to agree; it's kinda silly that succubi can't drain energy until level 7 and can only do it 1/day before level 11. I was given to understand that this is their sustenance.
I tried looking here for a 3.5 succubus class progression, but I can't find one...does anyone know of one? Or would anyone be interested in crafting one?
Sorcen_Anenooata
06-09-06, 07:17 PM I dont know of one either, and I have no idea how to make one, but I figured this would help you out a little bit by giving you a bump and maybe somebody that can help will see it. :D
Werebat troll paladin
06-09-06, 09:40 PM How early was your player looking to start draining levels? How early are you comfortable with the idea of him grapplign everything he sees and trying to make out until it's dead?
If nobody has linked you by the time I see your answer, I'll probably write one up.
DarkRhystar
06-09-06, 10:35 PM A player in my campaign wants to play a succubus. Succubi are ECL 12 and the party is ECL 9, so we need a monster class progression, but the succubus was drastically altered between 3.0 (which Savage Species is based on) and 3.5. Particularly, they lost almost all of the spell-like abilities listed as "lesser succubus powers".
I offered to let the player use the 3.0 version with a couple of changes (summon vrock instead of balor, and change suggestion from a lesser power to a power) but the player was more interested in a 3.5 progression because it would likely involve getting energy drain sooner to compensate. I actually have to agree; it's kinda silly that succubi can't drain energy until level 7 and can only do it 1/day before level 11. I was given to understand that this is their sustenance.
I tried looking here for a 3.5 succubus class progression, but I can't find one...does anyone know of one? Or would anyone be interested in crafting one?

There really aren't all that many differences.

Savage Species Differences: A few more spells (Desecrate, Darkness, Unholy Blight...etc), Spell Resistance (6 + HD), Alternate Form, Summon Balor, DR 10/+2, Level Drain

Monster Manual Differences: Polymorph (Humanoid Only) instead of Alternate Form, Spell Resistance (10 + HD), Summon Tanar'ri, DR 10/Cold Iron or Good, Level Drain kiss + Suggestion

It really wouldn't be all that hard just to replace things where you see them or even combine the two in a favorable way such as keeping the SS power list (although the Balor would be a bit much).

As for draining levels, you don't want it to be much earlier. Think about it. If you have a level 1 character facing a level 1 enemy, one level drain equals death for the enemy. Even Wizards don't gain Enervation until level 7.

I would like to know where you read it was their sustenance, because no source I've ever seen has claimed that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Platonix 06-09-06, 01:57 PM	A player in my campaign wants to play a succubus. Succubi are ECL 12 and the party is ECL 9, so we need a monster class progression, but the succubus was drastically altered between 3.0 (which Savage Species is based on) and 3.5. Particularly, they lost almost all of the spell-like abilities listed as "lesser succubus powers". I offered to let the player use the 3.0 version with a couple of changes (summon vrock instead of balor, and change suggestion from a lesser power to a power) but the player was more interested in a 3.5 progression because it would likely involve getting energy drain sooner to compensate. I actually have to agree; it's kinda silly that succubi can't drain energy until level 7 and can only do it 1/day before level 11. I was given to understand that this is their sustenance. I tried looking here for a 3.5 succubus class progression, but I can't find one...does anyone know of one? Or would anyone be interested in crafting one?
Sorcen_Anenooata 06-09-06, 07:17 PM	I dont know of one either, and I have no idea how to make one, but I figured this would help you out a little bit by giving you a bump and maybe somebody that can help will see it. :D
Werebat troll paladin 06-09-06, 09:40 PM	How early was your player looking to start draining levels? How early are you comfortable with the idea of him grapplign everything he sees and trying to make out until it's dead? If nobody has linked you by the time I see your answer, I'll probably write one up.
DarkRhystar 06-09-06, 10:35 PM	A player in my campaign wants to play a succubus. Succubi are ECL 12 and the party is ECL 9, so we need a monster class progression, but the succubus was drastically altered between 3.0 (which Savage Species is based on) and 3.5. Particularly, they lost almost all of the spell-like abilities listed as "lesser succubus powers". I offered to let the player use the 3.0 version with a couple of changes (summon vrock instead of balor, and change suggestion from a lesser power to a power) but the player was more interested in a 3.5 progression because it would likely involve getting energy drain sooner to compensate. I actually have to agree; it's kinda silly that succubi can't drain energy until level 7 and can only do it 1/day before level 11. I was given to understand that this is their sustenance. I tried looking here for a 3.5 succubus class progression, but I can't find one...does anyone know of one? Or would anyone be interested in crafting one? There really aren't all that many differences. Savage Species Differences: A few more spells (Desecrate, Darkness, Unholy Blight...etc), Spell Resistance (6 + HD), Alternate Form, Summon Balor, DR 10/+2, Level Drain Monster Manual Differences: Polymorph (Humanoid Only) instead of Alternate Form, Spell Resistance (10 + HD), Summon Tanar'ri, DR 10/Cold Iron or Good, Level Drain kiss + Suggestion It really wouldn't be all that hard just to replace things where you see them or even combine the two in a favorable way such as keeping the SS power list (although the Balor would be a bit much). As for draining levels, you don't want it to be much earlier. Think about it. If you have a level 1 character facing a level 1 enemy, one level drain equals death for the enemy. Even Wizards don't gain Enervation until level 7. I would like to know where you read it was their sustenance, because no source I've ever seen has claimed that.