30-headed tarrasque... and you thought insanity was crazy... [Archive] - Wizards Community

30-headed tarrasque... and you thought insanity was crazy... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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JiCi
06-08-07, 07:48 PM http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070608a

The guys have done it again... they've made the most hilarious monster ever.

I would have preferred a 30-headed great red wyrm. 30 times 24d10 points of fire make it more than a challenge.
sukael
06-08-07, 09:54 PM No way that 30-headed tarrasque is CR 40. It's vulnerable to exactly the same strategy as the original: fly overhead and plink it with arrows until it falls over. And SR 52 is no real problem to get around by level 40.

:D

I'd peg it... CR 25-30, maybe?
sensestaker
06-08-07, 10:36 PM I would have given it the feat Pain Mastery from SS: +2 to STR for every 50 points of damage you take. ((4947 hp+regen 40)/50)x2=a hell of a lot of strength :D
JLaurHughes
06-08-07, 10:57 PM It's one of those creatures that "Should never be" because it's just wrong in my mind....also isn't one head enough? I will admit I do want to set this creature against a few pc's at high enough levels and see if I can kill the entire pc party that way.
sukael
06-08-07, 11:06 PM It's one of those creatures that "Should never be" because it's just wrong in my mind....also isn't one head enough? I will admit I do want to set this creature against a few pc's at high enough levels and see if I can kill the entire pc party that way.

Like I said... if they can fly (which is practically guaranteed by level 20), there's no way they can lose unless they're incredibly dumb.
runestar
06-08-07, 11:09 PM I loved the part when the designer was musing over whether to allow it access to blasphemy via the half-fiend template...:D

However, I think he may have confused the rules for death by massive damage with the rules for CDG. For the former, the dc is a flat 15, not the amount of damage one would take.

But I just have to try that chimeric chimera in one of my games some day...
JLaurHughes
06-08-07, 11:13 PM Like I said... if they can fly (which is practically guaranteed by level 20), there's no way they can lose unless they're incredibly dumb.

Yes, however it's called being mean. The 30 headed tarrasque wanders through a zone of antimagic when the pc's finally catch up.
sensestaker
06-08-07, 11:16 PM However, I think he may have confused the rules for death by massive damage with the rules for CDG. For the former, the dc is a flat 15, not the amount of damage one would take.
..

The nearly certain death was from the Tar's Devestating Crit feat.
turalisj
06-08-07, 11:17 PM I can think of atleast 2 LA +0 creatures that can fly. The raptoran, and a dragonwrought kobold.

Remember folks, if you slay one hundred kobold, it's because they need the souls to power thier eldritch cannon of doom.
sukael
06-08-07, 11:18 PM Yes, however it's called being mean. The 30 headed tarrasque wanders through a zone of antimagic when the pc's finally catch up.

In this case, unless there's a scout with a really high movement rate, I'd almost universally chalk it up to the tarrasque. At higher levels, magic items make up the majority of a fighter-type's abilities...
JLaurHughes
06-08-07, 11:55 PM The nearly certain death was from the Tar's Devestating Crit feat.

Yep it is from the Devestating Crit feat. Overcome though with Heavy Fortification armor(an enhancement in the DMG for armors that provides three diff levels of protection against crit's - Low 25%, Moderate 75% and Heavy 100%) and affordable at high levels.
fiendish_platypus
06-09-07, 04:16 PM The real CR, according to the Multiheaded template in Savage Species would be 20 (the tarrasque) plus 9 (29 extra heads), so it should be CR 29, not 40.
JLaurHughes
06-09-07, 05:42 PM The author has stated that in the article.
turalisj
06-09-07, 05:48 PM By level 40, a monk could hit the 30-headed one enough times to split the material plane in half :P
JiCi
06-09-07, 05:52 PM Yup, right here:
This creature speaks for itself. The multiheaded template allows it to exist, but it's still just plain wrong. The multiheaded template says this guy should have a CR 29, but I used the added Hit Dice to recalculate the CR instead. It seemed more realistic, and it's still a TPK machine.Emphasis mine.

Not only does it seems realistic, it's logical too. The multiheaded template is much like advancing a monster normally, so for a magical beast, each additional 2 HD increases the CR by 1.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
JiCi 06-08-07, 07:48 PM	http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070608a The guys have done it again... they've made the most hilarious monster ever. I would have preferred a 30-headed great red wyrm. 30 times 24d10 points of fire make it more than a challenge.
sukael 06-08-07, 09:54 PM	No way that 30-headed tarrasque is CR 40. It's vulnerable to exactly the same strategy as the original: fly overhead and plink it with arrows until it falls over. And SR 52 is no real problem to get around by level 40. :D I'd peg it... CR 25-30, maybe?
sensestaker 06-08-07, 10:36 PM	I would have given it the feat Pain Mastery from SS: +2 to STR for every 50 points of damage you take. ((4947 hp+regen 40)/50)x2=a hell of a lot of strength :D
JLaurHughes 06-08-07, 10:57 PM	It's one of those creatures that "Should never be" because it's just wrong in my mind....also isn't one head enough? I will admit I do want to set this creature against a few pc's at high enough levels and see if I can kill the entire pc party that way.
sukael 06-08-07, 11:06 PM	It's one of those creatures that "Should never be" because it's just wrong in my mind....also isn't one head enough? I will admit I do want to set this creature against a few pc's at high enough levels and see if I can kill the entire pc party that way. Like I said... if they can fly (which is practically guaranteed by level 20), there's no way they can lose unless they're incredibly dumb.
runestar 06-08-07, 11:09 PM	I loved the part when the designer was musing over whether to allow it access to blasphemy via the half-fiend template...:D However, I think he may have confused the rules for death by massive damage with the rules for CDG. For the former, the dc is a flat 15, not the amount of damage one would take. But I just have to try that chimeric chimera in one of my games some day...
JLaurHughes 06-08-07, 11:13 PM	Like I said... if they can fly (which is practically guaranteed by level 20), there's no way they can lose unless they're incredibly dumb. Yes, however it's called being mean. The 30 headed tarrasque wanders through a zone of antimagic when the pc's finally catch up.
sensestaker 06-08-07, 11:16 PM	However, I think he may have confused the rules for death by massive damage with the rules for CDG. For the former, the dc is a flat 15, not the amount of damage one would take. .. The nearly certain death was from the Tar's Devestating Crit feat.
turalisj 06-08-07, 11:17 PM	I can think of atleast 2 LA +0 creatures that can fly. The raptoran, and a dragonwrought kobold. Remember folks, if you slay one hundred kobold, it's because they need the souls to power thier eldritch cannon of doom.
sukael 06-08-07, 11:18 PM	Yes, however it's called being mean. The 30 headed tarrasque wanders through a zone of antimagic when the pc's finally catch up. In this case, unless there's a scout with a really high movement rate, I'd almost universally chalk it up to the tarrasque. At higher levels, magic items make up the majority of a fighter-type's abilities...
JLaurHughes 06-08-07, 11:55 PM	The nearly certain death was from the Tar's Devestating Crit feat. Yep it is from the Devestating Crit feat. Overcome though with Heavy Fortification armor(an enhancement in the DMG for armors that provides three diff levels of protection against crit's - Low 25%, Moderate 75% and Heavy 100%) and affordable at high levels.
fiendish_platypus 06-09-07, 04:16 PM	The real CR, according to the Multiheaded template in Savage Species would be 20 (the tarrasque) plus 9 (29 extra heads), so it should be CR 29, not 40.
JLaurHughes 06-09-07, 05:42 PM	The author has stated that in the article.
turalisj 06-09-07, 05:48 PM	By level 40, a monk could hit the 30-headed one enough times to split the material plane in half :P
JiCi 06-09-07, 05:52 PM	Yup, right here: This creature speaks for itself. The multiheaded template allows it to exist, but it's still just plain wrong. The multiheaded template says this guy should have a CR 29, but I used the added Hit Dice to recalculate the CR instead. It seemed more realistic, and it's still a TPK machine.Emphasis mine. Not only does it seems realistic, it's logical too. The multiheaded template is much like advancing a monster normally, so for a magical beast, each additional 2 HD increases the CR by 1.