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a great guardian monster? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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klode_me
07-06-05, 05:14 AM does anyone know a great guardian monster of the following types:
abberation, animal, dragon, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, plant, or vermin.
it may not have more than 22 HD.
and i would like it, if it had a fly speed to.
not homebreed.

Klode_me
Hochi-min trail
07-06-05, 06:35 AM If you are looking for a monster that her role is to guard, there aren;t many that are not golems and undead. Iknow the formians have guardian giant-ants, and the beetle-like creatures in MM2 have guardians as well. Probably many creatures that have many types, like devils and demons have guardian types. There are a few guardians in BoED as well, but then again, you aren't looking for outsiders.
For dragons, if there are, you will probably find them in the Draconomicon, though i'm not sure some exist. For magical beasts there are few in BoED.
That's all i can think of at the moment.
Hope that hepled,
Hochi.
Jaid
07-06-05, 02:34 PM iirc, there's a type of beholder-kin called a spectator that might do what you are looking for. i think they are aberrations, but they might be outsider... i am pretty sure they are extraplanar, at any rate.

although, if you're doing what i think you're doing, it won't work so good... most of the beholders/beholder-kin i've seen, their flight is an (ex) special quality.
Vaalingrade Ashland
07-06-05, 05:05 PM Advanced and prehaps half dragon displacer beasts are amazing guardians when you have a whole pride of them.
turalisj
07-06-05, 06:24 PM the only gaurdian type dragon would be one that is ascended. when it reaches the end of it's level progression, it becomes a quasi-diety. :cool:
klode_me
07-07-05, 11:19 AM iirc, there's a type of beholder-kin called a spectator that might do what you are looking for. i think they are aberrations, but they might be outsider... i am pretty sure they are extraplanar, at any rate.

although, if you're doing what i think you're doing, it won't work so good... most of the beholders/beholder-kin i've seen, their flight is an (ex) special quality.

yes your right, i am making an elder eidolon(or maybe more) and thus i am thinking about making an ironwyrm dragon with the ability to fly(thinking about inbuilding a ring of solar wings).
Jaid
07-07-05, 12:52 PM in that case, having looked into it more since then, i would recommend making yourself an overseer beholder-kin. or a hive mother. probably hive mother.

because dominate beholder is a special attack. (admittedly the save DC based off of cha, but who cares if the DC is a little low. you should be able to get yourself at least a few beholders dominated, and you should therefore be able to replace them easily (in fact, if you have a queen, you could get absolutely ridiculous numbers of beholders in the area simply by ordering them all to not eat their young, and controlling the young). especially if you make sure that none of the beholders have anti-magic eyes (either make them beholder mages, or just get the right kind of beholder-kin).

now that would be scary.

alternatively, giants tend to lose relatively little when you make them into an elder eidolon (or an effigy for that matter, which is much cheaper... and which is why i've been spending time looking at this). although for some reason they lose their rock catching ability. and the cloud giant loses it's oversized weapon.

destrachan could make interesting guard creatures. their sonic attacks have no save DC at all. unfortunately, they lose their blindsight, but i guess you can't have everything.

also, an elder brain or various forms of illithid could work.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
klode_me 07-06-05, 05:14 AM	does anyone know a great guardian monster of the following types: abberation, animal, dragon, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, plant, or vermin. it may not have more than 22 HD. and i would like it, if it had a fly speed to. not homebreed. Klode_me
Hochi-min trail 07-06-05, 06:35 AM	If you are looking for a monster that her role is to guard, there aren;t many that are not golems and undead. Iknow the formians have guardian giant-ants, and the beetle-like creatures in MM2 have guardians as well. Probably many creatures that have many types, like devils and demons have guardian types. There are a few guardians in BoED as well, but then again, you aren't looking for outsiders. For dragons, if there are, you will probably find them in the Draconomicon, though i'm not sure some exist. For magical beasts there are few in BoED. That's all i can think of at the moment. Hope that hepled, Hochi.
Jaid 07-06-05, 02:34 PM	iirc, there's a type of beholder-kin called a spectator that might do what you are looking for. i think they are aberrations, but they might be outsider... i am pretty sure they are extraplanar, at any rate. although, if you're doing what i think you're doing, it won't work so good... most of the beholders/beholder-kin i've seen, their flight is an (ex) special quality.
Vaalingrade Ashland 07-06-05, 05:05 PM	Advanced and prehaps half dragon displacer beasts are amazing guardians when you have a whole pride of them.
turalisj 07-06-05, 06:24 PM	the only gaurdian type dragon would be one that is ascended. when it reaches the end of it's level progression, it becomes a quasi-diety. :cool:
klode_me 07-07-05, 11:19 AM	iirc, there's a type of beholder-kin called a spectator that might do what you are looking for. i think they are aberrations, but they might be outsider... i am pretty sure they are extraplanar, at any rate. although, if you're doing what i think you're doing, it won't work so good... most of the beholders/beholder-kin i've seen, their flight is an (ex) special quality. yes your right, i am making an elder eidolon(or maybe more) and thus i am thinking about making an ironwyrm dragon with the ability to fly(thinking about inbuilding a ring of solar wings).
Jaid 07-07-05, 12:52 PM	in that case, having looked into it more since then, i would recommend making yourself an overseer beholder-kin. or a hive mother. probably hive mother. because dominate beholder is a special attack. (admittedly the save DC based off of cha, but who cares if the DC is a little low. you should be able to get yourself at least a few beholders dominated, and you should therefore be able to replace them easily (in fact, if you have a queen, you could get absolutely ridiculous numbers of beholders in the area simply by ordering them all to not eat their young, and controlling the young). especially if you make sure that none of the beholders have anti-magic eyes (either make them beholder mages, or just get the right kind of beholder-kin). now that would be scary. alternatively, giants tend to lose relatively little when you make them into an elder eidolon (or an effigy for that matter, which is much cheaper... and which is why i've been spending time looking at this). although for some reason they lose their rock catching ability. and the cloud giant loses it's oversized weapon. destrachan could make interesting guard creatures. their sonic attacks have no save DC at all. unfortunately, they lose their blindsight, but i guess you can't have everything. also, an elder brain or various forms of illithid could work.