An evil celestial [Archive] - Wizards Community

An evil celestial [Archive] - Wizards Community

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1010101
10-28-04, 12:37 PM Can anyone provide any insight or suggestions into how the powers or abilities of a celestial might change if their alignment becomes non-good?

Our campaign will soon be featuring a prominent NPC that in ages past was involved in a revolt against the deific power structure. To my mind, she was likely an astral deva originally and is very likely neutral evil now.

So how would her powers be affected? Or would they? Is this covered anywhere in a product, third-party or otherwise? Maybe a template or two that might do the trick?

Thanks in advance.
CzarGarrett
10-28-04, 12:43 PM 1. Any anti-evil abilities just switch to anti-good. Detect Good instead of Dectect Evil, Smite Good instead of Smite Evil.

2. I Forget if the deva is LG/NG/CG. If its LG/CG, keep the L or C component. That way any lawful/chaotic abilities can be kept the same.

3. Look at some Blackguard abilities. If there's a comparable antithesis power in the standard deva form, replace it.

Thats all I can think of for now.
Pennarin
10-28-04, 06:16 PM Check out Anger of Angels (Malhavoc Press). It has suggestions on that.
1010101
10-28-04, 11:52 PM Thanks for the suggestions.

Check out Anger of Angels

Now that's EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thanks!
green_yawgmoth
10-29-04, 11:23 AM Dicefreaks has a really nice fallen celestial template in their guide to hell series. I forget which chapter, though. The one before the current one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
SoulLord
10-29-04, 11:31 AM It depends much on what setting you are playing but for example in eberron you could have that evil celestial with all of his abilities unchanged.

if you plan to change all why not use a demon instead?

SoulLord
Romulus LoneWolf
10-29-04, 11:43 AM Green Ronin's Book of Fiends actually has a template for "Fallen Celestial", which can be added to any Celestial (any angel, archon, or similar good Outsider). They retain the celestial qualities, only any that target evil are reversed, and any ability to cast spells from the Good domain are changed to spells from the Evil domain. They also gain some different new Special Attacks depending on their Hit Dice, and others like Blasphemous Benediction (an unholy blessing on any individual it touches), Probe Soul (searcg the mortal's soul to see it's greatest temptation) and Unholy Compact (basically a deal with the devil-type ability.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
1010101 10-28-04, 12:37 PM	Can anyone provide any insight or suggestions into how the powers or abilities of a celestial might change if their alignment becomes non-good? Our campaign will soon be featuring a prominent NPC that in ages past was involved in a revolt against the deific power structure. To my mind, she was likely an astral deva originally and is very likely neutral evil now. So how would her powers be affected? Or would they? Is this covered anywhere in a product, third-party or otherwise? Maybe a template or two that might do the trick? Thanks in advance.
CzarGarrett 10-28-04, 12:43 PM	1. Any anti-evil abilities just switch to anti-good. Detect Good instead of Dectect Evil, Smite Good instead of Smite Evil. 2. I Forget if the deva is LG/NG/CG. If its LG/CG, keep the L or C component. That way any lawful/chaotic abilities can be kept the same. 3. Look at some Blackguard abilities. If there's a comparable antithesis power in the standard deva form, replace it. Thats all I can think of for now.
Pennarin 10-28-04, 06:16 PM	Check out Anger of Angels (Malhavoc Press). It has suggestions on that.
1010101 10-28-04, 11:52 PM	Thanks for the suggestions. Check out Anger of Angels Now that's EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thanks!
green_yawgmoth 10-29-04, 11:23 AM	Dicefreaks has a really nice fallen celestial template in their guide to hell series. I forget which chapter, though. The one before the current one. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
SoulLord 10-29-04, 11:31 AM	It depends much on what setting you are playing but for example in eberron you could have that evil celestial with all of his abilities unchanged. if you plan to change all why not use a demon instead? SoulLord
Romulus LoneWolf 10-29-04, 11:43 AM	Green Ronin's Book of Fiends actually has a template for "Fallen Celestial", which can be added to any Celestial (any angel, archon, or similar good Outsider). They retain the celestial qualities, only any that target evil are reversed, and any ability to cast spells from the Good domain are changed to spells from the Evil domain. They also gain some different new Special Attacks depending on their Hit Dice, and others like Blasphemous Benediction (an unholy blessing on any individual it touches), Probe Soul (searcg the mortal's soul to see it's greatest temptation) and Unholy Compact (basically a deal with the devil-type ability.)