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duboisjf
10-03-07, 10:49 PM Ok, pretty simple, can someone suggest me a good animal to create a LN lycanthrope.

My character want to be infected by a lycanthrope but don't want to risk a alignement change.

It would also be great if the choosen animal have very few hit dice.

The only one I tough was ok in the SRD was the dog because trained dogs always obey their masters so it fits with LN.

But a Weredog... don't sound serious to me ... Don't want to be a shapechanging joke !

My DM will stick with the rule, it must be a carnivorous, omnivorous or scavenger.
Sildatorak
10-03-07, 11:01 PM Dogs were the first thing that popped into my mind, too. I think you can keep it from being a joke as long as you choose the breed of dog carefully. A weremastiff or werepinscher could be a frightening foe, but a werebeagle is just a joke.
Fireclave
10-03-07, 11:10 PM Alignment

Any. Noble creatures such as bears, eagles, and lions tend to produce good-aligned lycanthropes. Sinister creatures such as rats, snakes, and wolves tend to produce evil-aligned lycanthropes. This is a reflection of how these animals are perceived, not any innate quality of the animal itself, so the alignment of the animal form can be arbitrarily assigned.
A lycanthrope's alignment is dictated by how it is percieved and not of any innate quality of the animal itself. People believe wolves to be evil and lions to be noble, and therefore their lycanthropic forms are such. Since both you and your DM are delving into the realm of houserules, feel free to go wild. Any animal can be percieved as any alignment if you really want to percieve it a certain way.
Rechan
10-03-07, 11:16 PM My first guess? Horse. Maybe also Hawk.
lulzapalooza
10-04-07, 01:27 AM How about a werefrog? Make the frog a symbol of law in your campaign!
Fireclave
10-04-07, 02:02 AM How about a werefrog? Make the frog a symbol of law in your campaign!
Good point. Amphibians are the ultimate symbol of law and obedience. All glory to the hypnotoad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMvdethwMoQ&mode=related&search=).
Raptorial
10-04-07, 04:09 AM How about a bison? Lawful from the herd instinct, perhaps?
Sildatorak
10-04-07, 08:07 AM How about a bison? Lawful from the herd instinct, perhaps?
Bison don't eat meat.

A lycanthrope's alignment is dictated by how it is percieved and not of any innate quality of the animal itself. People believe wolves to be evil and lions to be noble, and therefore their lycanthropic forms are such. Since both you and your DM are delving into the realm of houserules, feel free to go wild. Any animal can be percieved as any alignment if you really want to percieve it a certain way.
Agreed. Heck, in 2e werelions were LE, but then 3e says they should be good in the fluff about lycanthropes. In my campaign, I play it that there are lycanthropes of different alignments for each type (my party has had dealings with a pack of werewolves that are LE, for example).

If your DM is up for it, work something out with him/her.
Xiuhcoatl
10-04-07, 08:13 AM I could see most Werevermin (see the template for 'em on the main page) as being neutral, possibly lawful.
Orchomenos
10-04-07, 10:36 AM If you see LN as a "domesticated animal", then Dog and Horse come to mind. I'm not sure, but a hawk does seem too hard to train to really be lawful. As for cats, they are not really domesticated, they are just friendly with you: CN!

But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory!

OOC: Hey, just saw you were from Rimouski! What about a were-beluga? :D
Raptorial
10-04-07, 11:28 AM Bison don't eat meat.
Never once have I personally enforced any "must be a carnivore" rule, but hey, it's his GM's rule. Anyway, other ideas...hmm...

Weredog sounds good to me as well.

Wereorcas could work, lawful pod creatures, and they have been mentioned in the past history of the darfellans (which are usually CN, but they don't have a pod connection like the orcas/wereorcas).
Rechan
10-04-07, 07:20 PM [QUOTE=Orchomenos;13986280]But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory! /QUOTE]
I wouldn't characterize the coyote as CE. Among other things, they're scavengers; less likely to attack capable, able prey.

I agree that wolves can pull off LN.

One idea that I've used is that you have Strains, and the alignment or behavior of these Strains are associated with where and when the strain developed. For instance, if these Native American-type people over here revered the Wolf for its LN tendencies, then the werewolf strain that developed Over Here is LN. Meanwhile, the shepherds and people of the North that had to fend off Worgs/Winter Wolves associated them with evil, and so werewolf strains that originated Over Here are CE.

After all, in Chinese mythology, the rat is a symbol of luck. So Rat Strains Over There are perhaps CG.

I prefer a non-alignment approach, but there's that if you want it.
lulzapalooza
10-04-07, 08:37 PM Nobody likes the idea of a werefrog?
Borris
10-04-07, 11:59 PM Well, the lycanthrope template states that the animal form's size must be within one step of the humanoid or giant form. Since a toad is a diminutive animal, the weretoad template could only be applied to a fine, diminutive, or tiny humanoid, and I don't think there are any of those.

If you base yourself on the summon monster lists, though, it would seem that the following animals tend to be associated with a lawful alignment.
On the side of good: Dog, owl.
On the side of evil: Rat, raven, ape, weasel, constrictor snake, deinonychus.
I'm intentionaly omitting animals that already have a given lycanthrope template, those that are aquatic only, as well as anything bigger than large or smaller than tiny.

If you take the stats for a riding dog (the medium one), a weredog could be every bit as tough as a werewolf.
Devil Gnasher
10-05-07, 02:43 AM But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory!
I wouldn't characterize the coyote as CE. Among other things, they're scavengers; less likely to attack capable, able prey.

I agree that wolves can pull off LN.

One idea that I've used is that you have Strains, and the alignment or behavior of these Strains are associated with where and when the strain developed. For instance, if these Native American-type people over here revered the Wolf for its LN tendencies, then the werewolf strain that developed Over Here is LN. Meanwhile, the shepherds and people of the North that had to fend off Worgs/Winter Wolves associated them with evil, and so werewolf strains that originated Over Here are CE.

After all, in Chinese mythology, the rat is a symbol of luck. So Rat Strains Over There are perhaps CG.

I prefer a non-alignment approach, but there's that if you want it.

Acctually I'd be more inclined to make Chinese mythology based wererats Lawful Good instead of Chaotic Good.
Werecoyotes would be Chaotic Neutral while I would make most werewolves Lawful Good with a few paladins among them.
Orchomenos
10-05-07, 09:03 AM Nobody likes the idea of a werefrog?

No. ;)

The Native American's Coyote would most likely be CN. He is known to have helped the humans, for instance in giving them the fire. But he's also known to be a troublesome trickster. The same goes for Loki: at one point, he uses his astuce to trick evil being, before tricking his own allies/familly for the fun of it, and he eventually turned evil.
Goblinchaser
10-05-07, 11:32 AM Bring on the were-dire weasel

Give him combat expertise and call it the weasel war dance :D
Naderion
10-05-07, 11:43 AM Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned.
Orchomenos
10-05-07, 01:12 PM Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned.

Given their feeding tactic (nearly invisible webs, plus a poison that paralysed the victim which is eaten alive), I would rather see spiders as Chaotic...
zook1shoe666
10-05-07, 01:34 PM Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned.

spiders aren't animals ;)
FrostWolf
10-05-07, 03:30 PM Go with Dog. There is a War Mastiff in the very end of Heros of Battle that would make a nice choice. 3HD (so not too bad) and solid stat boosts.
Raptorial
10-05-07, 04:23 PM spiders aren't animals ;)
Check the archives of the D&D articles, and you'll find notes on entomanthropes. Quite neat, they are.
Xiuhcoatl
10-05-07, 05:11 PM spiders aren't animals ;)

Here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a) is a wonderful template for making werevermin.
moosekickedmysisterstoof
10-05-07, 09:01 PM If the character is a female, I suggest a werebee. I was thinking about that today before I read your thread. You could use the giant queen bee as your vermin form. I would also tack on some innate spell-like abilities like Suggestion or Charm Person or Charm Monster or maybe all three because I imagine a werebee being more powerful than most other entomanothropes.

If the character is male, I would suggest maybe a wereape. They seem like they would be lawful to me.

- John
zook1shoe666
10-06-07, 12:56 AM Check the archives of the D&D articles, and you'll find notes on entomanthropes. Quite neat, they are.

Here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a) is a wonderful template for making werevermin.

thanx
lulzapalooza
10-06-07, 02:48 PM Well, the lycanthrope template states that the animal form's size must be within one step of the humanoid or giant form. Since a toad is a diminutive animal, the weretoad template could only be applied to a fine, diminutive, or tiny humanoid, and I don't think there are any of those.

I just noticed that the wererat is too small an animal to be applied to a human, which is the base creature for the example provided in the MM.
zook1shoe666
10-06-07, 11:44 PM I just noticed that the wererat is too small an animal to be applied to a human, which is the base creature for the example provided in the MM.

they used a dire rat, i believe
Kesthol
10-07-07, 02:28 AM Erm, if I remember correctly, AD&D 2nd ed. (gasp! I do resurrect the ancient legends...) had wereboars and weretigers as LN. As 3.5 has them N, such a shift is not too extreme.

Werebadger sounds good, too. So does the weregnome (That's right, gnomes are animals. :P).

How about the wereape? Bigfoot, anyone? :rolleyes:

A good candidate might be the wereelephant, wereelk, or were-(large terrestrial mammal living in social groups with a strong familial bond): The HD required are on the high side, but the LN feeling there is quite strong. On the plus side, I have seen carnivorous elk in a fantasy setting before.
Silversheen197
10-07-07, 07:20 PM I had a Lawful Neutral wereleopard once. She was a great character! So, yeah, my suggestion is a leopard.
Hellsbells
10-07-07, 07:34 PM SOmething I've always done for all my campaigns is that you ahve your true alignmant. Then if the creature is true neutral and has less then three inteligence they also have an alignment bend. This is for the most part only used animals. So for example Cats are true neutral but their bend is chaotic, Dogs are true neutral but their bend is lawful. You can only bend toward one alignment (good, evil, law, chaos). This anwsers questions for lycanthropy and such.

I also agree with the above coment about werewolves being more like werecoyotes.
FreAkOuTRG
10-07-07, 07:52 PM Ah, if only humans were classified as animals. Bring on the Werenerds!

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I for one would love a commoner familiar (:cookie: if you get the reference).

But, in all seriousness...

Anything that moves in packs would do. Dogs seem a good choice, though if you do the werebug idea, ants, termites or bees would fit the bill quite well.

However, the alignments of the lycanthropes tend to not make sense if you simply look at what the creature is. As Fireclave stated, it's more about the perceptions of things. Just try to think about what animal would embody what you think of LN as. If you say "penguin" who are we to argue?
Silversheen197
10-07-07, 09:53 PM Ah, if only humans were classified as animals. Bring on the Werenerds!

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I for one would love a commoner familiar (:cookie: if you get the reference).

Yes!! For the Stormwrack campaign I ran, I so wanted to create Cap'n Bluebeak, the parrot wizard with a pirate familiar!
lulzapalooza
10-07-07, 10:45 PM I made a werefrog, and all you smucks were wrong, it was awesome!
Sildatorak
10-08-07, 12:27 AM Erm, if I remember correctly, AD&D 2nd ed. (gasp! I do resurrect the ancient legends...) had wereboars and weretigers as LN. As 3.5 has them N, such a shift is not too extreme.
Both of those were N in 2e, I think. I'm 100% certain the weretiger was, and about 75% sure for the wereboar.
FreAkOuTRG
10-08-07, 06:22 AM Yes!! For the Stormwrack campaign I ran, I so wanted to create Cap'n Bluebeak, the parrot wizard with a pirate familiar!

If you're the DM, go ahead!
duboisjf
10-08-07, 09:28 PM Never thought I would get so many replies.

Thank you all.

Now, I am more at ease with the dog idea but I also added vermin on my list (thank for the link to the article).
Sinfire Titan
10-10-07, 01:01 AM http://sinfiretitan.deviantart.com/art/Were-Mantis-template-50556539

Trust me, not much is scarier than Xion the Unborn.
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi
10-12-07, 04:59 PM spiders aren't animals ;)

Go back to biology. They belong to Kingdom Animalia. Oh. Wait. You mean classification by D&D rules. The makers need to go back and take biology.

But I believe tigers (and maybe boars?) are classified as tending to produce LN lycanthropes. Werebeavers could be LN. Don't know what else.
zook1shoe666
10-13-07, 12:32 AM Werehyenas would def be CE
Sildatorak
10-13-07, 10:54 PM Werehyenas would def be CE
I believe that they were NE in 2e. They were statted up in the Al-Qadim campaign setting.
Angel Black
10-15-07, 11:19 AM Ok, pretty simple, can someone suggest me a good animal to create a LN lycanthrope...
But a Weredog... don't sound serious to me ... Don't want to be a shapechanging joke !

My DM will stick with the rule, it must be a carnivorous, omnivorous or scavenger.

Were Pit bulls are no joke.Vegetarians are a good choice too:

- Were Red Bull

- Were Baboon (well they eat meat from time to time)

- Were Rhinoceros

- Were Horse

Baboons are pretty nasty too, big fangs, colorful faces, and lots of dirty tricks.

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duboisjf 10-03-07, 10:49 PM	Ok, pretty simple, can someone suggest me a good animal to create a LN lycanthrope. My character want to be infected by a lycanthrope but don't want to risk a alignement change. It would also be great if the choosen animal have very few hit dice. The only one I tough was ok in the SRD was the dog because trained dogs always obey their masters so it fits with LN. But a Weredog... don't sound serious to me ... Don't want to be a shapechanging joke ! My DM will stick with the rule, it must be a carnivorous, omnivorous or scavenger.
Sildatorak 10-03-07, 11:01 PM	Dogs were the first thing that popped into my mind, too. I think you can keep it from being a joke as long as you choose the breed of dog carefully. A weremastiff or werepinscher could be a frightening foe, but a werebeagle is just a joke.
Fireclave 10-03-07, 11:10 PM	Alignment Any. Noble creatures such as bears, eagles, and lions tend to produce good-aligned lycanthropes. Sinister creatures such as rats, snakes, and wolves tend to produce evil-aligned lycanthropes. This is a reflection of how these animals are perceived, not any innate quality of the animal itself, so the alignment of the animal form can be arbitrarily assigned. A lycanthrope's alignment is dictated by how it is percieved and not of any innate quality of the animal itself. People believe wolves to be evil and lions to be noble, and therefore their lycanthropic forms are such. Since both you and your DM are delving into the realm of houserules, feel free to go wild. Any animal can be percieved as any alignment if you really want to percieve it a certain way.
Rechan 10-03-07, 11:16 PM	My first guess? Horse. Maybe also Hawk.
lulzapalooza 10-04-07, 01:27 AM	How about a werefrog? Make the frog a symbol of law in your campaign!
Fireclave 10-04-07, 02:02 AM	How about a werefrog? Make the frog a symbol of law in your campaign! Good point. Amphibians are the ultimate symbol of law and obedience. All glory to the hypnotoad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMvdethwMoQ&mode=related&search=).
Raptorial 10-04-07, 04:09 AM	How about a bison? Lawful from the herd instinct, perhaps?
Sildatorak 10-04-07, 08:07 AM	How about a bison? Lawful from the herd instinct, perhaps? Bison don't eat meat. A lycanthrope's alignment is dictated by how it is percieved and not of any innate quality of the animal itself. People believe wolves to be evil and lions to be noble, and therefore their lycanthropic forms are such. Since both you and your DM are delving into the realm of houserules, feel free to go wild. Any animal can be percieved as any alignment if you really want to percieve it a certain way. Agreed. Heck, in 2e werelions were LE, but then 3e says they should be good in the fluff about lycanthropes. In my campaign, I play it that there are lycanthropes of different alignments for each type (my party has had dealings with a pack of werewolves that are LE, for example). If your DM is up for it, work something out with him/her.
Xiuhcoatl 10-04-07, 08:13 AM	I could see most Werevermin (see the template for 'em on the main page) as being neutral, possibly lawful.
Orchomenos 10-04-07, 10:36 AM	If you see LN as a "domesticated animal", then Dog and Horse come to mind. I'm not sure, but a hawk does seem too hard to train to really be lawful. As for cats, they are not really domesticated, they are just friendly with you: CN! But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory! OOC: Hey, just saw you were from Rimouski! What about a were-beluga? :D
Raptorial 10-04-07, 11:28 AM	Bison don't eat meat. Never once have I personally enforced any "must be a carnivore" rule, but hey, it's his GM's rule. Anyway, other ideas...hmm... Weredog sounds good to me as well. Wereorcas could work, lawful pod creatures, and they have been mentioned in the past history of the darfellans (which are usually CN, but they don't have a pod connection like the orcas/wereorcas).
Rechan 10-04-07, 07:20 PM	[QUOTE=Orchomenos;13986280]But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory! /QUOTE] I wouldn't characterize the coyote as CE. Among other things, they're scavengers; less likely to attack capable, able prey. I agree that wolves can pull off LN. One idea that I've used is that you have Strains, and the alignment or behavior of these Strains are associated with where and when the strain developed. For instance, if these Native American-type people over here revered the Wolf for its LN tendencies, then the werewolf strain that developed Over Here is LN. Meanwhile, the shepherds and people of the North that had to fend off Worgs/Winter Wolves associated them with evil, and so werewolf strains that originated Over Here are CE. After all, in Chinese mythology, the rat is a symbol of luck. So Rat Strains Over There are perhaps CG. I prefer a non-alignment approach, but there's that if you want it.
lulzapalooza 10-04-07, 08:37 PM	Nobody likes the idea of a werefrog?
Borris 10-04-07, 11:59 PM	Well, the lycanthrope template states that the animal form's size must be within one step of the humanoid or giant form. Since a toad is a diminutive animal, the weretoad template could only be applied to a fine, diminutive, or tiny humanoid, and I don't think there are any of those. If you base yourself on the summon monster lists, though, it would seem that the following animals tend to be associated with a lawful alignment. On the side of good: Dog, owl. On the side of evil: Rat, raven, ape, weasel, constrictor snake, deinonychus. I'm intentionaly omitting animals that already have a given lycanthrope template, those that are aquatic only, as well as anything bigger than large or smaller than tiny. If you take the stats for a riding dog (the medium one), a weredog could be every bit as tough as a werewolf.
Devil Gnasher 10-05-07, 02:43 AM	But if you check how the animal is living in the nature, I would say a wolf. There is a strict hierarchy in a wolf pack, they use great tactic to hunt bigger game, and only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. You could say that the "common" CE werewolves are were-coyotes instead, some scums hunting alone and unrespectful of territory! I wouldn't characterize the coyote as CE. Among other things, they're scavengers; less likely to attack capable, able prey. I agree that wolves can pull off LN. One idea that I've used is that you have Strains, and the alignment or behavior of these Strains are associated with where and when the strain developed. For instance, if these Native American-type people over here revered the Wolf for its LN tendencies, then the werewolf strain that developed Over Here is LN. Meanwhile, the shepherds and people of the North that had to fend off Worgs/Winter Wolves associated them with evil, and so werewolf strains that originated Over Here are CE. After all, in Chinese mythology, the rat is a symbol of luck. So Rat Strains Over There are perhaps CG. I prefer a non-alignment approach, but there's that if you want it. Acctually I'd be more inclined to make Chinese mythology based wererats Lawful Good instead of Chaotic Good. Werecoyotes would be Chaotic Neutral while I would make most werewolves Lawful Good with a few paladins among them.
Orchomenos 10-05-07, 09:03 AM	Nobody likes the idea of a werefrog? No. ;) The Native American's Coyote would most likely be CN. He is known to have helped the humans, for instance in giving them the fire. But he's also known to be a troublesome trickster. The same goes for Loki: at one point, he uses his astuce to trick evil being, before tricking his own allies/familly for the fun of it, and he eventually turned evil.
Goblinchaser 10-05-07, 11:32 AM	Bring on the were-dire weasel Give him combat expertise and call it the weasel war dance :D
Naderion 10-05-07, 11:43 AM	Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned.
Orchomenos 10-05-07, 01:12 PM	Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned. Given their feeding tactic (nearly invisible webs, plus a poison that paralysed the victim which is eaten alive), I would rather see spiders as Chaotic...
zook1shoe666 10-05-07, 01:34 PM	Spiders would likely be LN, if they had to have an alignment assigned. spiders aren't animals ;)
FrostWolf 10-05-07, 03:30 PM	Go with Dog. There is a War Mastiff in the very end of Heros of Battle that would make a nice choice. 3HD (so not too bad) and solid stat boosts.
Raptorial 10-05-07, 04:23 PM	spiders aren't animals ;) Check the archives of the D&D articles, and you'll find notes on entomanthropes. Quite neat, they are.
Xiuhcoatl 10-05-07, 05:11 PM	spiders aren't animals ;) Here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a) is a wonderful template for making werevermin.
moosekickedmysisterstoof 10-05-07, 09:01 PM	If the character is a female, I suggest a werebee. I was thinking about that today before I read your thread. You could use the giant queen bee as your vermin form. I would also tack on some innate spell-like abilities like Suggestion or Charm Person or Charm Monster or maybe all three because I imagine a werebee being more powerful than most other entomanothropes. If the character is male, I would suggest maybe a wereape. They seem like they would be lawful to me. - John
zook1shoe666 10-06-07, 12:56 AM	Check the archives of the D&D articles, and you'll find notes on entomanthropes. Quite neat, they are. Here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a) is a wonderful template for making werevermin. thanx
lulzapalooza 10-06-07, 02:48 PM	Well, the lycanthrope template states that the animal form's size must be within one step of the humanoid or giant form. Since a toad is a diminutive animal, the weretoad template could only be applied to a fine, diminutive, or tiny humanoid, and I don't think there are any of those. I just noticed that the wererat is too small an animal to be applied to a human, which is the base creature for the example provided in the MM.
zook1shoe666 10-06-07, 11:44 PM	I just noticed that the wererat is too small an animal to be applied to a human, which is the base creature for the example provided in the MM. they used a dire rat, i believe
Kesthol 10-07-07, 02:28 AM	Erm, if I remember correctly, AD&D 2nd ed. (gasp! I do resurrect the ancient legends...) had wereboars and weretigers as LN. As 3.5 has them N, such a shift is not too extreme. Werebadger sounds good, too. So does the weregnome (That's right, gnomes are animals. :P). How about the wereape? Bigfoot, anyone? :rolleyes: A good candidate might be the wereelephant, wereelk, or were-(large terrestrial mammal living in social groups with a strong familial bond): The HD required are on the high side, but the LN feeling there is quite strong. On the plus side, I have seen carnivorous elk in a fantasy setting before.
Silversheen197 10-07-07, 07:20 PM	I had a Lawful Neutral wereleopard once. She was a great character! So, yeah, my suggestion is a leopard.
Hellsbells 10-07-07, 07:34 PM	SOmething I've always done for all my campaigns is that you ahve your true alignmant. Then if the creature is true neutral and has less then three inteligence they also have an alignment bend. This is for the most part only used animals. So for example Cats are true neutral but their bend is chaotic, Dogs are true neutral but their bend is lawful. You can only bend toward one alignment (good, evil, law, chaos). This anwsers questions for lycanthropy and such. I also agree with the above coment about werewolves being more like werecoyotes.
FreAkOuTRG 10-07-07, 07:52 PM	Ah, if only humans were classified as animals. Bring on the Werenerds! And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I for one would love a commoner familiar (:cookie: if you get the reference). But, in all seriousness... Anything that moves in packs would do. Dogs seem a good choice, though if you do the werebug idea, ants, termites or bees would fit the bill quite well. However, the alignments of the lycanthropes tend to not make sense if you simply look at what the creature is. As Fireclave stated, it's more about the perceptions of things. Just try to think about what animal would embody what you think of LN as. If you say "penguin" who are we to argue?
Silversheen197 10-07-07, 09:53 PM	Ah, if only humans were classified as animals. Bring on the Werenerds! And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I for one would love a commoner familiar (:cookie: if you get the reference). Yes!! For the Stormwrack campaign I ran, I so wanted to create Cap'n Bluebeak, the parrot wizard with a pirate familiar!
lulzapalooza 10-07-07, 10:45 PM	I made a werefrog, and all you smucks were wrong, it was awesome!
Sildatorak 10-08-07, 12:27 AM	Erm, if I remember correctly, AD&D 2nd ed. (gasp! I do resurrect the ancient legends...) had wereboars and weretigers as LN. As 3.5 has them N, such a shift is not too extreme. Both of those were N in 2e, I think. I'm 100% certain the weretiger was, and about 75% sure for the wereboar.
FreAkOuTRG 10-08-07, 06:22 AM	Yes!! For the Stormwrack campaign I ran, I so wanted to create Cap'n Bluebeak, the parrot wizard with a pirate familiar! If you're the DM, go ahead!
duboisjf 10-08-07, 09:28 PM	Never thought I would get so many replies. Thank you all. Now, I am more at ease with the dog idea but I also added vermin on my list (thank for the link to the article).
Sinfire Titan 10-10-07, 01:01 AM	http://sinfiretitan.deviantart.com/art/Were-Mantis-template-50556539 Trust me, not much is scarier than Xion the Unborn.
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi 10-12-07, 04:59 PM	spiders aren't animals ;) Go back to biology. They belong to Kingdom Animalia. Oh. Wait. You mean classification by D&D rules. The makers need to go back and take biology. But I believe tigers (and maybe boars?) are classified as tending to produce LN lycanthropes. Werebeavers could be LN. Don't know what else.
zook1shoe666 10-13-07, 12:32 AM	Werehyenas would def be CE
Sildatorak 10-13-07, 10:54 PM	Werehyenas would def be CE I believe that they were NE in 2e. They were statted up in the Al-Qadim campaign setting.
Angel Black 10-15-07, 11:19 AM	Ok, pretty simple, can someone suggest me a good animal to create a LN lycanthrope... But a Weredog... don't sound serious to me ... Don't want to be a shapechanging joke ! My DM will stick with the rule, it must be a carnivorous, omnivorous or scavenger. Were Pit bulls are no joke.Vegetarians are a good choice too: - Were Red Bull - Were Baboon (well they eat meat from time to time) - Were Rhinoceros - Were Horse Baboons are pretty nasty too, big fangs, colorful faces, and lots of dirty tricks.