Arcane Ooze vs. Spellweaver!! (Rules questions) [Archive] - Wizards Community

Arcane Ooze vs. Spellweaver!! (Rules questions) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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AngellicArcon
01-12-07, 01:59 AM Ok, so I have a situation in a mid-level game. I've got a player with an arcane ooze guarding his tower. A spellweaver arrives, seeking the wizards unique magical items. The weaver is protected by an Otiluke's Telekinetic sphere.

Question #1 : Can the Ooze bypass the sphere's protection and attack the weaver?

Question #2: Will the weaver be effected by the Arcane Ooze's syphon ability if protected by the sphere?

Two very good questions yes?

Please advise. (And thanks in advance..)
AngellicArcon
01-12-07, 07:22 PM ...
cog_n_taz
01-12-07, 11:04 PM I'd help, but don't have the appropriate MMs, sorry.
Igfig
01-12-07, 11:58 PM 1. Since a Telekinetic Sphere cannot be ignored by SR, no.

2. Since a Telekinetic Sphere blocks line of effect, no.
AngellicArcon
01-13-07, 02:12 AM Since a Telekinetic Sphere cannot be ignored by SR, no.

Actually doesn't it list that under the spell description for Otiluke's Resilient and Telekinetic Sphere that spell resistance is a yes? Thats what I was basing the fact that the ooze could simply pass through it like it wasn't there.. :)
Igfig
01-13-07, 02:23 PM No, see, the SR mentioned in the spell description applies only when you're casting the spell on something with SR. If the spellweaver had cast the Telekinetic Sphere on the ooze, then the ooze would get a reflex save, and SR would apply. Since the sphere is already active on the weaver, the ooze gets no save or SR.

It may be easier to think of it this way: Telekinetic Sphere creates a Wall of Force that happens to be in a spherical shape, surrounding a target. Anything that can't get through a Wall of Force, can't get through a Telekinetic Sphere.

Do note, however, that even if the ooze was capable of passing through the sphere, its Siphon ability still would not affect the Spellweaver. Siphon requires line of effect to use, and Telekinetic Sphere blocks line of effect. The ooze would have to be inside the sphere with the weaver to Siphon its spells.
AngellicArcon
01-13-07, 04:39 PM No, see, the SR mentioned in the spell description applies only when you're casting the spell on something with SR. If the spellweaver had cast the Telekinetic Sphere on the ooze, then the ooze would get a reflex save, and SR would apply. Since the sphere is already active on the weaver, the ooze gets no save or SR.

The issue in question is a unique ability of the Arcane ooze namely:

Immunity to Magic (Ex): An arcane ooze is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance.

With this wording I am struggling to know if by "immune" it would be able to bypass an existing spell effect that allows spell resistance via its spell discription. This IS NOT a question about the spell resistance of the Arcane Ooze, but rather this unique ability of the creature. Further, I agree with you concerning line of effect.

Hope not to come across harsh, and I do appreciate the feedback.
AngellicArcon
01-13-07, 09:59 PM No one have an answer.. its a tough one to be sure..
Igfig
01-13-07, 10:34 PM (Sorry, I was away.)

I believe this is one of those times when the common-sense view point has to prevail. Since an Arcane Ooze would interact normally with a Wall of Force or Forcecage, I can see no reason why Telekinetic Sphere would be any different.

The thing to remember is that the Immunity to Magic ability means that the ooze has unbeatable SR against all spells. (Or at least, this was the ruling on the ability of the same name possessed by golems.) If a normal creature with SR can't avoid the effects, an Arcane Ooze can't either.

As another example, take Resist Energy. Yes, it does allow SR; however, it still protects fully against an Arcane Ooze's acid. The SR only comes into the equation if the creature receiving the Resist Energy spell for some reason does not wish to be affected by the spell.
AngellicArcon
01-15-07, 02:03 AM The thing to remember is that the Immunity to Magic ability means that the ooze has unbeatable SR against all spells. (Or at least, this was the ruling on the ability of the same name possessed by golems.) If a normal creature with SR can't avoid the effects, an Arcane Ooze can't either.

Thanks for the great feedback on this. After doing more research I have found a great answer here.

I agree with you on all counts.
AngellicArcon
04-25-07, 03:47 AM What a fun thread this has been. Anyone elce have any other thoughts on the matter? :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
AngellicArcon 01-12-07, 01:59 AM	Ok, so I have a situation in a mid-level game. I've got a player with an arcane ooze guarding his tower. A spellweaver arrives, seeking the wizards unique magical items. The weaver is protected by an Otiluke's Telekinetic sphere. Question #1 : Can the Ooze bypass the sphere's protection and attack the weaver? Question #2: Will the weaver be effected by the Arcane Ooze's syphon ability if protected by the sphere? Two very good questions yes? Please advise. (And thanks in advance..)
AngellicArcon 01-12-07, 07:22 PM	...
cog_n_taz 01-12-07, 11:04 PM	I'd help, but don't have the appropriate MMs, sorry.
Igfig 01-12-07, 11:58 PM	1. Since a Telekinetic Sphere cannot be ignored by SR, no. 2. Since a Telekinetic Sphere blocks line of effect, no.
AngellicArcon 01-13-07, 02:12 AM	Since a Telekinetic Sphere cannot be ignored by SR, no. Actually doesn't it list that under the spell description for Otiluke's Resilient and Telekinetic Sphere that spell resistance is a yes? Thats what I was basing the fact that the ooze could simply pass through it like it wasn't there.. :)
Igfig 01-13-07, 02:23 PM	No, see, the SR mentioned in the spell description applies only when you're casting the spell on something with SR. If the spellweaver had cast the Telekinetic Sphere on the ooze, then the ooze would get a reflex save, and SR would apply. Since the sphere is already active on the weaver, the ooze gets no save or SR. It may be easier to think of it this way: Telekinetic Sphere creates a Wall of Force that happens to be in a spherical shape, surrounding a target. Anything that can't get through a Wall of Force, can't get through a Telekinetic Sphere. Do note, however, that even if the ooze was capable of passing through the sphere, its Siphon ability still would not affect the Spellweaver. Siphon requires line of effect to use, and Telekinetic Sphere blocks line of effect. The ooze would have to be inside the sphere with the weaver to Siphon its spells.
AngellicArcon 01-13-07, 04:39 PM	No, see, the SR mentioned in the spell description applies only when you're casting the spell on something with SR. If the spellweaver had cast the Telekinetic Sphere on the ooze, then the ooze would get a reflex save, and SR would apply. Since the sphere is already active on the weaver, the ooze gets no save or SR. The issue in question is a unique ability of the Arcane ooze namely: Immunity to Magic (Ex): An arcane ooze is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance. With this wording I am struggling to know if by "immune" it would be able to bypass an existing spell effect that allows spell resistance via its spell discription. This IS NOT a question about the spell resistance of the Arcane Ooze, but rather this unique ability of the creature. Further, I agree with you concerning line of effect. Hope not to come across harsh, and I do appreciate the feedback.
AngellicArcon 01-13-07, 09:59 PM	No one have an answer.. its a tough one to be sure..
Igfig 01-13-07, 10:34 PM	(Sorry, I was away.) I believe this is one of those times when the common-sense view point has to prevail. Since an Arcane Ooze would interact normally with a Wall of Force or Forcecage, I can see no reason why Telekinetic Sphere would be any different. The thing to remember is that the Immunity to Magic ability means that the ooze has unbeatable SR against all spells. (Or at least, this was the ruling on the ability of the same name possessed by golems.) If a normal creature with SR can't avoid the effects, an Arcane Ooze can't either. As another example, take Resist Energy. Yes, it does allow SR; however, it still protects fully against an Arcane Ooze's acid. The SR only comes into the equation if the creature receiving the Resist Energy spell for some reason does not wish to be affected by the spell.
AngellicArcon 01-15-07, 02:03 AM	The thing to remember is that the Immunity to Magic ability means that the ooze has unbeatable SR against all spells. (Or at least, this was the ruling on the ability of the same name possessed by golems.) If a normal creature with SR can't avoid the effects, an Arcane Ooze can't either. Thanks for the great feedback on this. After doing more research I have found a great answer here. I agree with you on all counts.
AngellicArcon 04-25-07, 03:47 AM	What a fun thread this has been. Anyone elce have any other thoughts on the matter? :)