are celestial/fiendish vermin intelligent? [Archive] - Wizards Community

are celestial/fiendish vermin intelligent? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
madalex
07-31-04, 02:30 PM Hi guys,

I've got a question regarding the celestial or fiendish template when applied to vermin.

Both templates state that the new creature keeps all special qualities, and most vermin are mindless, thus have no Int score. Both templates also state that the new creature has at least Int 3.

So are celestial/fiendish vermin intelligent or aren't they?

Alex
Tanuki, the Bewildered
07-31-04, 04:41 PM The specific changes noted trump extant traits.

Fiendish/Celestial Vermin are now Magical Beasts with 3 int - although they keep other Vermin traits.
Edymnion
07-31-04, 05:31 PM Yup, they are now sentient creatures capable of making and carrying out simple plans, and can have long term goals.
madalex
07-31-04, 05:50 PM Originally posted by Tanuki, the Bewildered
The specific changes noted trump extant traits.
I thought so as well... is there a section of the rulebooks which clearly says so?
Originally posted by Edymnion
Yup, they are now sentient creatures capable of making and carrying out simple plans, and can have long term goals.
And they get skill points due to their new-won intelligence...

Alex
shaga
07-31-04, 06:13 PM I don’t know what long term goals you can have with int 3
It reminds my of two mousses I once know pinky and brain
Edymnion
07-31-04, 07:16 PM Originally posted by shaga
I don’t know what long term goals you can have with int 3
It reminds my of two mousses I once know pinky and brain Long term goals don't have to be complex. You can have a long term goal of "Getting all the shiney stuff I can" or "Make sure nobody steals this shiney thing".
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
07-31-04, 07:49 PM Originally posted by madalex
And they get skill points due to their new-won intelligence...

Which would be a hell of a lot better if they had any class skills.
Edymnion
07-31-04, 08:05 PM Originally posted by Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
Which would be a hell of a lot better if they had any class skills. Anything they already have bonuses in are considered to be class skills. So if they've got bonuses to spot, hide, and climb, then those three skills are class skill for them.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
07-31-04, 09:35 PM Originally posted by Edymnion
Anything they already have bonuses in are considered to be class skills. So if they've got bonuses to spot, hide, and climb, then those three skills are class skill for them.

Really? Never knew that.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-01-04, 03:55 AM I would say anything small or larger develops intelligence, and anything smaller than that develops a sort of fiendish or celestial hive-mind.

Mmmm....a swarm of black widows, with white and gold substituted for the black and red, all moving as one creature. It just doesn't get much better.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
madalex 07-31-04, 02:30 PM	Hi guys, I've got a question regarding the celestial or fiendish template when applied to vermin. Both templates state that the new creature keeps all special qualities, and most vermin are mindless, thus have no Int score. Both templates also state that the new creature has at least Int 3. So are celestial/fiendish vermin intelligent or aren't they? Alex
Tanuki, the Bewildered 07-31-04, 04:41 PM	The specific changes noted trump extant traits. Fiendish/Celestial Vermin are now Magical Beasts with 3 int - although they keep other Vermin traits.
Edymnion 07-31-04, 05:31 PM	Yup, they are now sentient creatures capable of making and carrying out simple plans, and can have long term goals.
madalex 07-31-04, 05:50 PM	Originally posted by Tanuki, the Bewildered The specific changes noted trump extant traits. I thought so as well... is there a section of the rulebooks which clearly says so? Originally posted by Edymnion Yup, they are now sentient creatures capable of making and carrying out simple plans, and can have long term goals. And they get skill points due to their new-won intelligence... Alex
shaga 07-31-04, 06:13 PM	I don’t know what long term goals you can have with int 3 It reminds my of two mousses I once know pinky and brain
Edymnion 07-31-04, 07:16 PM	Originally posted by shaga I don’t know what long term goals you can have with int 3 It reminds my of two mousses I once know pinky and brain Long term goals don't have to be complex. You can have a long term goal of "Getting all the shiney stuff I can" or "Make sure nobody steals this shiney thing".
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 07-31-04, 07:49 PM	Originally posted by madalex And they get skill points due to their new-won intelligence... Which would be a hell of a lot better if they had any class skills.
Edymnion 07-31-04, 08:05 PM	Originally posted by Raymond_Luxury_Yacht Which would be a hell of a lot better if they had any class skills. Anything they already have bonuses in are considered to be class skills. So if they've got bonuses to spot, hide, and climb, then those three skills are class skill for them.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 07-31-04, 09:35 PM	Originally posted by Edymnion Anything they already have bonuses in are considered to be class skills. So if they've got bonuses to spot, hide, and climb, then those three skills are class skill for them. Really? Never knew that.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-01-04, 03:55 AM	I would say anything small or larger develops intelligence, and anything smaller than that develops a sort of fiendish or celestial hive-mind. Mmmm....a swarm of black widows, with white and gold substituted for the black and red, all moving as one creature. It just doesn't get much better.