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GhostStepper 06-17-06, 05:08 PM	I was wondering if troll meat is edible. My idea invovles capturing few and keeping them captive in the basement of the tavern, carving off a hunk and cooking up some trolls steaks, then let them regenerate and carve off some more. Im thinking if my resaurant can get a reputation for cooking troll as a delicacy i could make a killing. So will i kill my patrons? Will troll steaks turn out chewier than a bad pork chop? Do they taste like chicken?
Jhulae 06-17-06, 05:21 PM	as long as they've been properly 'roasted'... ;)
Acheron 06-17-06, 05:22 PM	I have done the same thing before. I had a tribe of dwarves capture a couple of mountain trolls, then the Dwarves ate everything, except like, an eyeball. Then the whole troll would regenerate in a couple of hours (5-6 points a round) and then the Dwarves would have another feast. To stop your patrons from getting sick, just cast Purify food-drink (or something along those lines) and you will have an unending amount of food that people will hear about. Then stuff like: "You know there's this tavern in the middle of the city that sells great steaks, but doens't have any cows?" will start floating aroung and people will comeby to try these steaks, and VIOLA!! instant fame!
Bill Bisco: Average Adventurer 06-17-06, 05:29 PM	Remember that trolls still die from starvation and thirst. So you'll have to feed them too :)
Kirtanus_Albacron 06-17-06, 05:34 PM	Well, if I remember correctly, as I read it in Streams of Silver, though I don't know if it is correct, it says that a lot of animals have died by eating troll because I regenerated into a full troll in the animal's stomach.
Jhulae 06-17-06, 05:38 PM	Well, if I remember correctly, as I read it in Streams of Silver, though I don't know if it is correct, it says that a lot of animals have died by eating troll because I regenerated into a full troll in the animal's stomach. Which doesn't make sense, because there's acid in the stomach, and acid keeps trolls from regenerating. Also, if they're char broiled, the fire would keep the steaks from regererating. The main problem would come in if the chef didn't cook the troll enough and it regenerated on it's way to the table.
Acheron 06-17-06, 05:49 PM	The main problem would come in if the chef didn't cook the troll enough and it regenerated on it's way to the table. Anyone up for mashed waiter? :D
CryoSilver 06-17-06, 06:34 PM	Remember that trolls still die from starvation and thirst. So you'll have to feed them too :) Feed them pieces of themselves.
INeedNoSalt 06-17-06, 06:42 PM	This would be an evil act, no? (Keeping an intelligent creature hostage and hacking off huge chunks of him all the time?)
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 06:47 PM	First don't forget the danger of keeping trolls, if you leave them in a bared cage for example they can just rip off and toss peaces of themselves out of the cage and build an army. also consider that trolls soposivly smell terrible and most things smell like they tast. I like your idea thow, a party I was once in did something simular by takeing a part of a trolls shoulder and keeping it in a iron box, whenever the lamps needed somthing flamible we just cut the sucker in half and used it.
mvincent 06-17-06, 06:49 PM	there's acid in the stomach, and acid keeps trolls from regenerating.The stomach acid of a regular human or animal isn't strong enough to be measured in hp per round damage, so this would come down to a DM call (i.e. the game mechanics don't actually allow for it). I personally don't believe most stomachs are up to the task of slaying a subdued troll... 63 points of acid damage is a lot to ask of a stomach, even over the course of several hours. Also, I could have sworn I read somewhere that Troll flesh was unwholesome (not sure if that was in GURPS though).
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 06:56 PM	The stomach acid of a regular human or animal isn't strong enough . it may be verry diluted but hydrocloric acid is still plenty strong, you might be correct however it has been a while sence I learned about acids and stuff.
Esponer 06-17-06, 07:12 PM	it may be verry diluted but hydrocloric acid is still plenty strong, you might be correct however it has been a while sence I learned about acids and stuff. Yeah, depends on how you're defining "strong" here. :)
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 07:17 PM	I was under the impression that only the largest part of the troll could fully regenerate into a full troll. It says in the Regeneration description (MM pg 314) that severed parts that arent reattached wither and die normally, so no growing in peoples stomachs (thats an urban legend told by old dwarf women!). I think i also read somewhere that only the largest part of a disembodied troll actualy regenerates if its dismembered. If i was still running a d20 Modern campaing im thinking of how great a plot this would be. A new fast food chain opens up serving a bizzare form of mystery meat burgers and nuggets. The PCs go to the warehouse or a franchise of the restaurant, something goes wrong and the trolls excape. Totally something i would use.
Damior 06-17-06, 07:20 PM	Dude, I am so stealing that plot hook! Though I doubt they would taste very good.
greatamericanfolkhero 06-17-06, 07:23 PM	If i was still running a d20 Modern campaing im thinking of how great a plot this would be. A new fast food chain opens up serving a bizzare form of mystery meat burgers and nuggets. The PCs go to the warehouse or a franchise of the restaurant, something goes wrong and the trolls excape. Totally something i would use. McDonalds d20!
mvincent 06-17-06, 07:35 PM	I was under the impression that only the largest part of the troll could fully regenerate into a full troll. It says in the Regeneration description (MM pg 314) that severed parts that arent reattached wither and die normally, so no growing in peoples stomachs . I think i also read somewhere that only the largest part of a disembodied troll actualy regenerates if its dismembered.If you keep slicing 40% off of the largest remaining part of a troll, you can eventually get a very small, regenerating piece. So if a pack of wolves greedily devour an entire troll, one of them is going to get the 'prize'. (thats an urban legend told by old dwarf women!)I think that might technically be a 'sub'-urban legend (not that dwarf women actually exist, mind you).
Acheron 06-17-06, 07:38 PM	... 63 points of acid damage is a lot to ask of a stomach, even over the course of several hours. Your not doing 63 points though, the little piece you put in your mouth has been chewed up and is not sitting in little place with a lot of acid. The reason there isn't a damage dice set for stomach acid is, IMO, you are never actually going to have hydrocloric acid sprayed on you. The only exception I can think of is if you get swallowed, then you take acid and blugeoning damage. However; you and the troll peice should be porpotionally the same size compared to the creature that is swallowing you.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 07:53 PM	I was under the impression that only the largest part of the troll could fully regenerate into a full troll. It says in the Regeneration description (MM pg 314) that severed parts that arent reattached wither and die normally, so no growing in peoples stomachs (thats an urban legend told by old dwarf women!). I think i also read somewhere that only the largest part of a disembodied troll actualy regenerates if its dismembered. If i was still running a d20 Modern campaing im thinking of how great a plot this would be. A new fast food chain opens up serving a bizzare form of mystery meat burgers and nuggets. The PCs go to the warehouse or a franchise of the restaurant, something goes wrong and the trolls excape. Totally something i would use. yes but what happens when two peaces are quwal size, and tied for largest, I would rule that they both grow. Also it never made sence to me that only the biggest part would grow , how the heck does the choped up flesh of a troll know the diffrence?
Kojiro James 06-17-06, 07:56 PM	The stomach acid of a regular human or animal isn't strong enough to be measured in hp per round damage, so this would come down to a DM call (i.e. the game mechanics don't actually allow for it). I personally don't believe most stomachs are up to the task of slaying a subdued troll... 63 points of acid damage is a lot to ask of a stomach, even over the course of several hours. Also, I could have sworn I read somewhere that Troll flesh was unwholesome (not sure if that was in GURPS though). Yes, it's quite unwholesome. In fact the BoVD introduced a truly horrid disease that resulted from eating trolls and other truly wretched creatures. It's called "blue guts."
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 08:51 PM	Yes, it's quite unwholesome. In fact the BoVD introduced a truly horrid disease that resulted from eating trolls and other truly wretched creatures. It's called "blue guts." That only happens when the trolls arent properly prepared. Its like salmonella.;) But you do bring up a good point though...im gonna have to make all my customers sign a waver or something (like Fugu eaters at sushi restaurants). Try to keep your voice down thought please....i dont need you scaring my customers way.
INeedNoSalt 06-17-06, 09:00 PM	yes but what happens when two peaces are quwal size, and tied for largest, I would rule that they both grow. Also it never made sence to me that only the biggest part would grow , how the heck does the choped up flesh of a troll know the diffrence? Magic. :D I think in AD&D, all pieces grew into full trolls. But it'd be too easy for a single troll to completely overpopulate the world if he could just hack off a finger and have a clone.
KingGolem 06-17-06, 09:08 PM	Yes, it's quite unwholesome. In fact the BoVD introduced a truly horrid disease that resulted from eating trolls and other truly wretched creatures. It's called "blue guts." Quoth mystery meat patrons, "...Oooh, I should not have eaten that green chicken...". Yeah, blue guts is a bad disease. Not only that, in the fantastical world of D&D, I would not eat any meat that they said was a "trade secret". And about the "its like salmonella" thing, I think that it would still persist in steaks and nuggets. Because blue guts can also be contracted by eating otyughs, and what adventurer in their right mind would eat raw otyugh? If you didn't know about blue guts, you'd still have to scrub the :censored: off of the otyughs corpse before cooking it.
celtredleg 06-17-06, 09:11 PM	In a 1st ed game the DM required troll blood to make healing potions. So I went and found a troll, charmed him and got him chained up. Then we took him back to the home castle, chained him to the wall in the dungeon upside down, and installed a spigot in his neck. And yes, it probably wasnt a good act, but there where fewer alignment sticklers back then. Besides I think I was LN or some such.
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 09:13 PM	According to my AD&D 2nd Edition Montrous Manual: "if a troll is dismembered and scattered, the largest surviving piece regenerates. The others die within one day if they cannot rejoin that piece." Guess thats where i read it.
celtredleg 06-17-06, 09:16 PM	Quoth mystery meat patrons, "...Oooh, I should not have eaten that green chicken...". Yeah, blue guts is a bad disease. Not only that, in the fantastical world of D&D, I would not eat any meat that they said was a "trade secret". And about the "its like salmonella" thing, I think that it would still persist in steaks and nuggets. Because blue guts can also be contracted by eating otyughs, and what adventurer in their right mind would eat raw otyugh? If you didn't know about blue guts, you'd still have to scrub the :censored: off of the otyughs corpse before cooking it. And I was just finnishing my JIB Bac ult CB. Uhg. You sir win the grossest of the evening award :D
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 09:18 PM	Magic. :D I think in AD&D, all pieces grew into full trolls. But it'd be too easy for a single troll to completely overpopulate the world if he could just hack off a finger and have a clone. but if it worked by magic than antimagic would stop the regeneration. and while I agree that fingers making new trolls being too much I still think if a peace is reasonbly large (for example an arm) it should grow a new troll
Count Arioch the 28th 06-17-06, 09:20 PM	This illustrates why I don't like the "Regeneration" mechanic. Trolls should have fast healing. (Which is why in my world, the dominant species of trolls are the Forest, Cave, and Mountain trolls from MM3, who have fast healing instead.)
MinionOfCthulhu 06-17-06, 09:37 PM	also consider that trolls soposivly smell terrible and most things smell like they tast. Have you ever smelled a cow? I assure you, they taste much better than they smell.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 09:43 PM	ok you got me there
INeedNoSalt 06-17-06, 09:45 PM	but if it worked by magic than antimagic would stop the regeneration. and while I agree that fingers making new trolls being too much I still think if a peace is reasonbly large (for example an arm) it should grow a new troll I didn't mean to be taken literally. It's D&D. You don't question things like how the regeneration works, because it's really not very possible. So you go ahead and suspend your disbelief. They don't regrow from tiny bits 'cuz that's just not how it works.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 09:48 PM	I didn't mean to be taken literally. It's D&D. You don't question things like how the regeneration works, because it's really not very possible. So you go ahead and suspend your disbelief. They don't regrow from tiny bits 'cuz that's just not how it works. I hate to tell you but starfish and leeches both regenerate just like trolls (chop one in half wate a while now you got two)
Damior 06-17-06, 09:51 PM	I think we found A way to kill pun-pun. Make him eat fried troll
R.M.G.C.L.F. 06-17-06, 09:52 PM	GAH! No no no no no no no! If you eat a peice of troll, the troll will NOT regenerate inside you. Parts seperated from the troll shrivel and die in one minute, and do not grow into new trolls. Even if, for whatever reason, you eat a whole troll (assuming its been cut down to a small torso and you can dislocate your jaws and have a big appetite), the stomach deals bludgeoning and acid damage. Bludgeoning impedes regeneration while acid deals lethal, and both of these deal double damage because it's helpless (unconcious). Even then, it takes a while for it to regenerate, and it can't recover from suffocation. To drive the point home, cooking deals Fire Damage, so any troll that is properly roasted will not be able to recover, although odds are they'd tend to come out well-done. However, trolls are ravenous. They eat a lot to sustain regeneration, so keeping a troll as a food source probably doesn't amount to much other than converting decent meat into unpleasant green meat.
R.M.G.C.L.F. 06-17-06, 09:54 PM	I hate to tell you but starfish and leeches both regenerate just like trolls (chop one in half wate a while now you got two) They do that only if they have access to food. A troll portion, say, a leg, cannot intake any calories, lacking any digestive facilities or larger section of troll to supply fresh blood, and so it quickly shrivels and dies.
Aeolus91 06-17-06, 10:04 PM	As someone mentioned before (but no one commented upon), chaining up a sentient being in your basement and systematically torturing it by cutting off 49% of it's body mass on a daily basis is a SERIOUSLY Evil act, perhaps even a Vile act. People in this world get all ticked when they hear about how veal calves are penned up and not allowed to move. Imagine the public outrage when your secret gets out. Even if people thoroughly hate Trolls and decide not to get mad at you, your reputation is gonna attract some REALLY ****** off Trolls... possibly of a kind that's more powerful than the regular (advanced war-trolls attacking your resaurant? Not so great for business)... If I was your DM, i'd allow it anyway (because it allows for so many great adventure hooks: "oh no the trolls escaped!... AGAIN!") but i'd probably give you some serious alignment shiftiness. Plus, i'd just love to see a troll burst out of some unlucky patron's stomach, "Aliens" style... (Gah, that reminds me of that VGcats comic... "It's raping your face!!!") Rawr! :dragon:
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 10:12 PM	What other creatures have Regeneration btw? Im sure theres atleast a couple (though i cant think of any off the top of my head) and im thinking of expanding the menu. Plants with Regeneration would be increadibly useful to the restaurant for example.
celtredleg 06-17-06, 10:14 PM	They do that only if they have access to food. A troll portion, say, a leg, cannot intake any calories, lacking any digestive facilities or larger section of troll to supply fresh blood, and so it quickly shrivels and dies. While I agree that a chopped off leg cant regen into a troll, I dont buy that it is caloric intake that has anything to do with it. Trolls regen way to fast for any natural bioprocess to keep up with. If you carved off all arms, legs, and the head, it would grow them all back in a few minutes. I dont have LB of food converted to LB of critter numbers, but it is fairly steep. So it would have to consume and digest several times it own weight in a couple minutes to have the calries to do this. Now if I have misunderstood what you where trying to say, so sorry. I do agree with your result, just not the reasoning. Of course, and time you try to give an explaination of stuff like trolls regen or dragon fluing, you get some odd things mixed in.
celtredleg 06-17-06, 10:17 PM	What other creatures have Regeneration btw? Im sure theres atleast a couple (though i cant think of any off the top of my head) and im thinking of expanding the menu. Plants with Regeneration would be increadibly useful to the restaurant for example. Pit fiend. We are haveing a nasty little discusion about them right now, with a few claimming that vorpal somehow causes regen to no longer work. And ogre mage as well, but they dont have the full version. If they lose thier heads for more than 10 minutes, they do die. But you could carve off other parts. I am pretty sure I dont want to eat pitfiend at least as bad as I dont wat to eat troll.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-17-06, 10:28 PM	hay as long as we are talking about regeneration lets say I chop a troll's head in half and place something between the two halves, would he become a two headed troll when the sides of his head healed?
INeedNoSalt 06-17-06, 10:30 PM	While I agree that a chopped off leg cant regen into a troll, I dont buy that it is caloric intake that has anything to do with it. Trolls regen way to fast for any natural bioprocess to keep up with. If you carved off all arms, legs, and the head, it would grow them all back in a few minutes. I dont have LB of food converted to LB of critter numbers, but it is fairly steep. So it would have to consume and digest several times it own weight in a couple minutes to have the calries to do this. Now if I have misunderstood what you where trying to say, so sorry. I do agree with your result, just not the reasoning. Of course, and time you try to give an explaination of stuff like trolls regen or dragon fluing, you get some odd things mixed in. So I see that you understand that a Troll is a supernatural being and not a starfish. Good job. Read my glowing, claw-like, finger's point was that you really can't compare a Troll's regeneration to that of a starfish. The way a troll regenerates isn't really possible, while a starfish regenerates more slowly and can take food in if you cut off chunks of it. A troll's arm cannot regenerate into a whole new troll, even if a starfish's point can grow into a starfish. The other guy is wrong, because the way a starfish regenerates is not the same way a troll regenerates. I was originally going to say "with the circumstances that a troll lives in", but I figured my fellow posters would be smart enough to understand that I shouldn't have to differentiate a complex SUPERNATURAL IMAGINARY vertebrate with a relatively simple invertebrate.
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 10:32 PM	Pit fiend. We are haveing a nasty little discusion about them right now, with a few claimming that vorpal somehow causes regen to no longer work. And ogre mage as well, but they dont have the full version. If they lose thier heads for more than 10 minutes, they do die. But you could carve off other parts. I am pretty sure I dont want to eat pitfiend at least as bad as I dont wat to eat troll. Pit Fiends and Ogre Mages are too hard to contain too with those pesky spell-like abilities, though im sure i can charge a ton for fiend-steak. Im thinking that cooking Pit Fiend meat wouldnt work too well either. The Ogre Mage could make a possible meal if i could invest in a good anti-magic field generating item.
jaw4ever 06-17-06, 10:33 PM	I read a short story in Dragon Magazine of a hill giant clan keeping a torso of a troll for a renewable food source, which proves hill giant WILL eat anything! :eek:
GhostStepper 06-17-06, 10:41 PM	hay as long as we are talking about regeneration lets say I chop a troll's head in half and place something between the two halves, would he become a two headed troll when the sides of his head healed? Id think the head would grow around the object and be all messed up. Byt what if you chop off all a troll's limbs and place the head/torso in a small, adamantine safe. Does the troll grow into a cube shape? Trollatinous Cube anyone?
celtredleg 06-17-06, 10:45 PM	Pit Fiends and Ogre Mages are too hard to contain too with those pesky spell-like abilities, though im sure i can charge a ton for fiend-steak. Im thinking that cooking Pit Fiend meat wouldnt work too well either. The Ogre Mage could make a possible meal if i could invest in a good anti-magic field generating item. That would have to be fiend steak tartar, as they are immune to fire. Raw pitfiend has got to be revolting. Who would want to eat it?? But just like pet rocks, if you offered it for sale, somebody would buy it. even if they did not eat it. In fact, it could be quite the thing, you arent a real man until you have had pitfiend prime rib!!
R.M.G.C.L.F. 06-17-06, 10:51 PM	As someone mentioned before (but no one commented upon), chaining up a sentient being in your basement and systematically torturing it by cutting off 49% of it's body mass on a daily basis is a SERIOUSLY Evil act, perhaps even a Vile act. People in this world get all ticked when they hear about how veal calves are penned up and not allowed to move. Imagine the public outrage when your secret gets out. Even if people thoroughly hate Trolls and decide not to get mad at you, your reputation is gonna attract some REALLY ****** off Trolls... possibly of a kind that's more powerful than the regular (advanced war-trolls attacking your resaurant? Not so great for business)... If I was your DM, i'd allow it anyway (because it allows for so many great adventure hooks: "oh no the trolls escaped!... AGAIN!") but i'd probably give you some serious alignment shiftiness. Plus, i'd just love to see a troll burst out of some unlucky patron's stomach, "Aliens" style... (Gah, that reminds me of that VGcats comic... "It's raping your face!!!") Rawr! :dragon: Although the aliens-type thing is impossible, you do bring up a good point with the moral implications.
celtredleg 06-17-06, 10:59 PM	I do believe that on reflextion I shall steal the idea of troll mystery meat in a low rent eatery. But it shall be in a cyberpunk game. Alignment is not only not used, but if it was everybody would be CE anyway. And it shall be hugely humorous when they escape, the PCs corner them, and discover that bullets are subdual only :eek: :evillaugh Of course if you dont like to get bent over, CP isnt your game anyway, so a good punk group will laugh, once they run out ot nasty things to say. :D
Callahan 06-18-06, 01:24 AM	this falls in to the category of "yes you could, and no, you shouldn't". It's there right next to the multiple experiments of tossing bags of holding/Staff of Magi/Rod of Negation in to a Sphere of Disintegration while it's moving towards a gate.
utilitarian 06-18-06, 02:39 AM	Aren't trolls canabalistic? You've got your "feeding" problems solved, just keep two in seperate cages and pass portions from each back and forth -_^ And while this is an undoubtably evil practice, it's not like the world needs more trolls anyways. So what have we established you need so far -Two large, suitably strong cages to contain a pair of trolls -Either the strength or magic to subdue a troll for "carving" -Purify Food/Water item at will for safety's sake -a Spice Jar (it's a wonderous item that produces any spice desired, can't remember which book it's in) -Perhaps Silence so your patrons don't start asking about that weird howling troll sound in the kitchen. *edit* Oh, and if the Trolls refuse to each eachother to keep themselves alive, Suggestion every day or so *grin*
mvincent 06-18-06, 02:41 AM	Although the aliens-type thing is impossiblea) this is D&D, so pretty much anything is possible b) this issue was previously hashed out much more than it needed to be c) your interpretation of what you think would happen is just one interpretation d) in at least one D&D book there was an account of a troll growing inside a creatures stomach (killing it).
INeedNoSalt 06-18-06, 03:08 AM	a) this is D&D, so pretty much anything is possible b) this issue was previously hashed out much more than it needed to be c) your interpretation of what you think would happen is just one interpretation d) in at least one D&D book there was an account of a troll growing inside a creatures stomach (killing it). What happened in a book isn't relevant. His interpretation is what the rules say. Sure, you can houserule it however you want, but he's right. It won't work if you're going by the RAW.
DeadEye19 06-18-06, 10:52 AM	Yeah. It makes perfect sense that only one troll part regenerates. Otherwise, those aggresive intelligent creatures would multiply, instantly, and raid things. My guess: it's the liver. It regenerates, slowly. But it doesn't when it comes to alcohol. My take? Trolls: Edible? Maybe. Kosher? No way.
Aeolus91 06-18-06, 11:14 AM	Regardless of what the rules say.... you know you like it. Who could resist having a troll burst out of the chest cavity of whatever player was stupid enough to eat undercooked troll? This is one of those few occasions where it's just BEGGING you to houserule it into beauteous existence. Rawr! :dragon: EDIT: Plus, it'd be cool to have a creature rip its way out of an NPC carrier's body, (effectively Coup De Grace-ing it) and attack the PCs when they're not expecting it. ("Here's your food, sir. Have a nice me---AAAAUUUGGHHH!!!" Roll initiative!!! *evil DM grin here*)
Golem011 06-18-06, 11:22 AM	Oooh, yes. My goblinoids do that... muahahahaha. They reproduce that way... spreading spores (really bundles of regenerating goblinoid cells) which nest on nearby sources of food. This includes humanoids, in which case a half (insert goblinoid here) is born. :evillaugh
necrom99 06-18-06, 11:25 AM	I have a standing rule in my campaign that any evil race that is even moderately humanoid cannot be consummed except by other evil humanoids.....for instance, an orc or troll could eat an orc, but humans can't....it's not fit for human consumption....that and everybody knows that troll flesh is like pure rubber so its far too difficult to consume even if nice roasted...just have a look at there natural AC!
CryoSilver 06-18-06, 12:27 PM	That seems a bit suspect to me when you consider that human is plenty nourishing; how is orc protien any different than human, cow, dragon, chicken or fish protien? Are there new and mystical amino acids that don't jive with human digestion or something?
celtredleg 06-18-06, 12:39 PM	I would say yes for the regeners, there probably are new and wierd proteans. Elso how could they regen?? But the others?? I dont think so. Anything you can create a Half/thing with without the use of magic should be edible at a minimum. Of course how some of those halfs come about is a bit of a mystery. :confused:
GhostStepper 06-18-06, 01:00 PM	I have a standing rule in my campaign that any evil race that is even moderately humanoid cannot be consummed except by other evil humanoids.....for instance, an orc or troll could eat an orc, but humans can't....it's not fit for human consumption....that and everybody knows that troll flesh is like pure rubber so its far too difficult to consume even if nice roasted...just have a look at there natural AC! So a human blackguard can eat people just because he's an evil humanoid but a human paladin cant?
Aeolus91 06-18-06, 01:49 PM	So a human blackguard can eat people just because he's an evil humanoid but a human paladin cant? I think he means that they cannot be consumed without it being an evil act.
Leaf_Mage22 06-18-06, 02:02 PM	Ok I have read almost every one of these replys and I must say most every one is right, but everyone is wrong too. NO Trolls technically don't regenerate into a whole new troll, thats just too powerful, I don't think Wizards of the Coast intended to make the troll regen that way. Another thing they are different kinds of trolls that regen differently, taste differently, and etc.... This idea would be good, if you find people willing to eat them. I mean take cats, dogs, and monkies people in other parts of the world eat them, but we think of them as being such horrible things to eat, we are not use to that kind of food source. Basically whoever created this idea if your the DM, MY GOD its your WORLD, do whatever you want in it, f*&$^ these other people saying you can't do this, you must do that, its your trolls if they taste wonderfuly cooked, and if you could keep getting great steaks from them by cutting them in bits by all means do so. Basically don't worry about everyone's ideas, that's what makes them their ideas, your not going to get everyone to agree that having a neverending troll meat locker would be a good idea, but it is. Your using great imaginatioin, and ingenuity to turn a frown upside down and making a good profit. Personally I think troll meat if cooked properly and seasoned well, served with some good sides, and a pint of ale would be great. Trust me if you really think about all the slop many people in these worlds eat, a nicely cooked troll steak wouldn't be at the bottom of the list. I say go ahead light up the grill and lets get this cook-off started. I'll Take the Mt. troll special, medium well, with the garlic mash potatoes.
Golem011 06-18-06, 02:14 PM	Deepsigh. So, if WOTC didn't wish for troll regen to allow it to regenerate into a totally new troll, WHY did they specifically say 'the biggest part'? That isn't gonna matter all that much if it couldn't regenerate from small bits up.
mvincent 06-18-06, 02:19 PM	His interpretation is what the rules say. Sure, you can houserule it however you want, but he's right. It won't work if you're going by the RAW.You are incorrect. This was hashed out previously. RAW can be interpreted either way.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-18-06, 02:25 PM	solint green is peap..... never mine it's just a troll so why is the resterant so great? Is the troll meat doing something benifishal for those eating it, is it literaly addictive , or is it just an apperently normal place until the troll is loose? also you might consider confusing your pc's and make the troll good, and the resterant owner powerful and evil (or maybe even another troll).
GhostStepper 06-18-06, 03:23 PM	solint green is peap..... never mine it's just a troll so why is the resterant so great? Is the troll meat doing something benifishal for those eating it, is it literaly addictive , or is it just an apperently normal place until the troll is loose? also you might consider confusing your pc's and make the troll good, and the resterant owner powerful and evil (or maybe even another troll). Actually i got the idea from an episode of Tales from the Crypt where Christopher Reeve owns/runs a diner. Somebody get killed and the shady cook puts the body in the freezer, and later cooks up the meat and serves it. Everyone loves the new meat but then CR finds out and is horrified. In the end they end up killing the shady cook and keep serving human on the menu. The part of the plot that i want to emulate is the introduction of a new mystery meat that everyone loves (perhaps they ARE literally addicted) but which comes from some bizzare, macabre source.
GhostStepper 06-18-06, 03:32 PM	You are incorrect. This was hashed out previously. RAW can be interpreted either way. Through strict interpretation of the RAW the Alien scenario is impossible unless you feed someone the largest part. And even then for such a thing to occur: - the piece would have to be raw unless someone can find a reason for a dead, thuroughly cooked (fire damaged) troll regenerating back from the dead. - you find that stomach acid isnt strong enough to damage the piece and once again it must be raw, and the largest remaining piece of the troll. The wolf pack scenario is perfectly realistic though. If a pack of wolves entirely devour a troll the one who has the largest piece is in danger. Of course this assumes that the bludgeoning and acid damage arent enough to finish off the piece in its stomach.
IV 06-18-06, 08:11 PM	Troll meat, like human meat, has the possibility of being edible. You would have to have it cooked very well though, as the potentional for bacteria, etc, would be very high. What they taste like would be up to the individual DM. There are no actual official rules or statements at there actual taste.
sir_dwar 06-18-06, 08:22 PM	As a DM, I'd personally rule that it takes 2/3 of a troll to regenerate. Also, If something like a head is chopped up, remember taht if its not attacthced in a minute, troll goes :ghosted:
sir_dwar 06-18-06, 08:28 PM	While I agree that a chopped off leg cant regen into a troll, I dont buy that it is caloric intake that has anything to do with it. Trolls regen way to fast for any natural bioprocess to keep up with. If you carved off all arms, legs, and the head, it would grow them all back in a few minutes. No, As I just said, head must be attatched w/in one minute or there no more troll
sir_dwar 06-18-06, 08:30 PM	Pit fiend. We are haveing a nasty little discusion about them right now, with a few claimming that vorpal somehow causes regen to no longer work. And ogre mage as well, but they dont have the full version. If they lose thier heads for more than 10 minutes, they do die. But you could carve off other parts. I am pretty sure I dont want to eat pitfiend at least as bad as I dont wat to eat troll. Oh, I was just assuming the other's regeneration worked the same way.
malykoth 06-18-06, 08:31 PM	Regardless of what the rules say.... you know you like it. Who could resist having a troll burst out of the chest cavity of whatever player was stupid enough to eat undercooked troll? This is one of those few occasions where it's just BEGGING you to houserule it into beauteous existence. Or the DM can tell the character that he REALLY needs to go to the privy, and then...well, the screams would probably attract his allies, who would find him writhing in pain, lying on his stomach with a wiggling troll leg sticking up out of his...u-hem...you get the picture! :evillaugh I'd imagine troll meat would be (at the least) VERY tough to chew, especially after being cooked well enough to kill it. Of course, an illusionist could always alter the taste and texture. For that matter, couldn't an unscrupulous illusionist or enchanter (are then any other kind?) just keep making illusionary food for his patrons (or convince them they've had a good meal)? He could even say his meals are 'healthy', and good for weight loss.
GhostStepper 06-18-06, 10:08 PM	I'd imagine troll meat would be (at the least) VERY tough to chew, especially after being cooked well enough to kill it. Of course, an illusionist could always alter the taste and texture. For that matter, couldn't an unscrupulous illusionist or enchanter (are then any other kind?) just keep making illusionary food for his patrons (or convince them they've had a good meal)? He could even say his meals are 'healthy', and good for weight loss. Yes! An evil Beguiler invites a bunch of her enemies to a grand feast secretly serving them antacid in their wine...Each of them is served a raw troll steak which she had enchanted to appear, smell and taste like a gormet fillet. Each steak is in fact the largest remaining piece of an entire live troll which was previously dismembered and bludgeoned with like 500 points of subdual damage. As the deluded guests continue to eat, the pieces all rejoin in their stomachs (which are now low-acid environments due to the antacid) and the 500 points subdual damage slowly ticks down round by round unil their regeneration kicks.
Callahan 06-19-06, 10:53 AM	Id think the head would grow around the object and be all messed up. Byt what if you chop off all a troll's limbs and place the head/torso in a small, adamantine safe. Does the troll grow into a cube shape? Trollatinous Cube anyone? Won’t he suffocate first?
rogue_lettuce 06-19-06, 10:58 AM	McDonalds d20! I would sig that if the previous post wasn't too long :D
celtredleg 06-19-06, 12:36 PM	Oh, I was just assuming the other's regeneration worked the same way. NO ogre mage has a limited form of rewgen. It has the restriction of haveing to reatch the head with in 10 minutes. Trolls do not have that restriction. If you dont reatch the head, it just grows a new one. Same with any other creature with regen. Of course, any DM can modify that for their own game. It is only annoying when people want to put for thier own houserules as RAW. Nowhere in the rules does it state that a troll needs its head to live. Or any of the other regen critters I have looked at, other than ogre mage.
Golem011 06-19-06, 01:59 PM	No, As I just said, head must be attatched w/in one minute or there no more troll Please use basic grammar. And I don't know where the HELL you got that idea from...
Doom_Linnorm 06-19-06, 04:07 PM	I believe the BoVD said that trolls are edible. The disease blue rot is contracted from eating trolls or abberations. (going to double check that) If so I think it is safe to assume that we can eat trolls without a new one growing inside of us. (although you due contract a nasty but colorfoul disease.)
mvincent 06-19-06, 08:17 PM	I believe the BoVD said that trolls are edible. The disease blue rot is contracted from eating trolls or abberations. (going to double check that) If so I think it is safe to assume that we can eat trolls without a new one growing inside of us. (although you due contract a nasty but colorfoul disease.)I fully agree that (by RAW) troll bits and cooked troll are (relatively) safe. The BoVD saying that trolls are edible is actually good to know for this discussion (thank you). However, concluding that uncooked troll pith (i.e. center, main piece, whatever) could never grow in your stomach based on that statement is not something I'd bet my PC's life on. It's still going to be a DM's call (not that many DM's would actually witness such an unusual circumstance that they would have to make that call though).
Callahan 06-19-06, 08:35 PM	it all depends on whether or nor the troll actualy died (eg. if it was dealt lethal damage, died of natural causes or killed by a death spell/effect). If it's not dead then you'll have a trol clawing out of you. Now that's a painful bowl movement. Hey wait a minute... What are the rules for bowl movements? Do D&D character actualy have to use the bathroom?
Jaeron Dalur 06-19-06, 09:24 PM	Why not just get a wizard to research a spell to either make a troll of animal inteligence that breeds true or make a cow (or sheep, or duck, whatever) that has regeneration that is damaged normally by fire? Then the ethical problems just vanish. Also, investing in a decent animal tranquilizer would help. As for whether it is ok to eat, that's what purify food and drink is for. If it tastes bad, just use prestidigitation to make it literally taste like chicken (or beef, lamb, etc.).
Aeolus91 06-19-06, 09:34 PM	If you Presti it to taste like beef, lamb, or chicken, why bother? Just eat beef, lamb, and chicken... it's just as good, without any ethical, moral, or biological complications! By the way, In My Humble Opinion, playing by RAW sucks. If the Rules As Written tell you to do something that you don't like, then don't do it. I mean, it's not like you need me to tell you that, but y'know... just putting it out on the table. Rawr! :dragon:
Callahan 06-19-06, 09:38 PM	Why not just get a wizard to research a spell to either make a troll of animal inteligence that breeds true or make a cow (or sheep, or duck, whatever) that has regeneration that is damaged normally by fire? Then the ethical problems just vanish. Also, investing in a decent animal tranquilizer would help. As for whether it is ok to eat, that's what purify food and drink is for. If it tastes bad, just use prestidigitation to make it literally taste like chicken (or beef, lamb, etc.). or you could just use: Regeneration: This white gold ring continually allows a living wearer to heal 1 point of damage per level every hour rather than every day. (This ability cannot be aided by the Heal skill.) Nonlethal damage heals at a rate of 1 point of damage per level every 5 minutes. If the wearer loses a limb, an organ, or any other body part while wearing this ring, the ring regenerates it as the spell. In either case, only damage taken while wearing the ring is regenerated. Strong conjuration; CL 15th; Forge Ring, regenerate; Price 90,000 gp. of course this would be torture. But hey, it's tasty.
Jaeron Dalur 06-19-06, 10:10 PM	or you could just use: [regeneration] of course this would be torture. But hey, it's tasty. I was thinking that a permanent solution would be more economical. And as for the torture bit. that's what coup-de-grace are for. A quick, relatively painless knockout to keep it unconcious during the butchery. Either that, or an anesthetic so it just can't feel what you're doing.
GhostStepper 06-19-06, 10:50 PM	Im telling you guys, all the troll meat at my establishment is fully cooked (fire damaged) with no chance of popping out of your stomach! All that stuff was just bad some bad publicity being spread by one of my competitors, and i have a free resurrection gaurantee! Im thinking of investing in some half-trolls cows btw, and im wondering how well half-scrag lobster claws would sell...hmmm
jolly1 06-19-06, 11:56 PM	Im curious... If I remove a finger from a troll...then cast disintegrate on the rest of it. Does the finger now regenerate into a troll?
Aeolus91 06-20-06, 08:28 AM	Im curious... If I remove a finger from a troll...then cast disintegrate on the rest of it. Does the finger now regenerate into a troll? And if so, how did the finger know? Rawr! :dragon:
Callahan 06-20-06, 10:56 AM	Im curious... If I remove a finger from a troll...then cast disintegrate on the rest of it. Does the finger now regenerate into a troll? didn't you watch X-Men 3? Disintegration does not work on creatures with Regeneration http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/DanHibiki/wolverine.gif
celtredleg 06-23-06, 10:25 AM	I think Rich of OoTS just read this thread. Anybody see the comic this mornig besides me??
Krelios 06-23-06, 11:04 AM	yes but what happens when two peaces are quwal size, and tied for largest, I would rule that they both grow. Also it never made sence to me that only the biggest part would grow , how the heck does the choped up flesh of a troll know the diffrence?Two pieces can almost never be exactly the same size at an atomic level. The chopped up flesh of the troll knows where to keep its life force the same way a human or dwarf or whatever else knows how to keep its soul--magic.