Attack routines and base attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

Attack routines and base attack [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
thinkhard
05-06-07, 05:00 PM When a monster's base-attack is high enough to get extra attacks (+6 or higher) how does this affect his attack routines? I ask this because a player plans on playing as an awakened bear in one of my campaigns (i really enjoy the character but i want to make sure that advancement of the character would relate to the bear's natural abilities so that way he stays "bear-ish" instead of becoming more human in his combat style).
Watchdog_of_Hades
05-06-07, 05:35 PM From all of the creatures I've seen, you get your natural attacks (in this case, two claws and a bite) and your BAB doesn't change that one bit. If you were to somehow wield a sword, you'd get an extra attack for every 5 points above 1, but with natural attacks, you can have +41/+36/+31... and still only have two claws and a bite (albeit at a high attack bonus for all three of them).
thinkhard
05-06-07, 05:37 PM Exactly the answer I didn't want. Guess I have to homebrew some rules unless someone sheds different light on the situation. A bear wielding a sword loses all the charm of a sentient bear character. Then it's just a dumb anime character.
Morwen
05-06-07, 06:53 PM Natural attacks never use iterative BAB. They're only at the highest (for the primary natural attacks) or at -5 (for the secondary natural attacks).

If you need your creatures to use iterative BAB, may I direct you to the rapidstrike and improved rapidstrike feats (Draconomicon). They allow you to simulate iterative BAB with a natural attack (as long as you have two of the attack in question; such as two claws or two wings).
Watchdog_of_Hades
05-06-07, 07:43 PM Well, you could make an item that makes a natural attack Speedy, or he could take levels in Kensai (CW), who can make their natural weapons magical. You may not get iterative attacks, but you can effectively wield 3 weapons at once, a feat that usually only things like the marilith can pull off.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
thinkhard 05-06-07, 05:00 PM	When a monster's base-attack is high enough to get extra attacks (+6 or higher) how does this affect his attack routines? I ask this because a player plans on playing as an awakened bear in one of my campaigns (i really enjoy the character but i want to make sure that advancement of the character would relate to the bear's natural abilities so that way he stays "bear-ish" instead of becoming more human in his combat style).
Watchdog_of_Hades 05-06-07, 05:35 PM	From all of the creatures I've seen, you get your natural attacks (in this case, two claws and a bite) and your BAB doesn't change that one bit. If you were to somehow wield a sword, you'd get an extra attack for every 5 points above 1, but with natural attacks, you can have +41/+36/+31... and still only have two claws and a bite (albeit at a high attack bonus for all three of them).
thinkhard 05-06-07, 05:37 PM	Exactly the answer I didn't want. Guess I have to homebrew some rules unless someone sheds different light on the situation. A bear wielding a sword loses all the charm of a sentient bear character. Then it's just a dumb anime character.
Morwen 05-06-07, 06:53 PM	Natural attacks never use iterative BAB. They're only at the highest (for the primary natural attacks) or at -5 (for the secondary natural attacks). If you need your creatures to use iterative BAB, may I direct you to the rapidstrike and improved rapidstrike feats (Draconomicon). They allow you to simulate iterative BAB with a natural attack (as long as you have two of the attack in question; such as two claws or two wings).
Watchdog_of_Hades 05-06-07, 07:43 PM	Well, you could make an item that makes a natural attack Speedy, or he could take levels in Kensai (CW), who can make their natural weapons magical. You may not get iterative attacks, but you can effectively wield 3 weapons at once, a feat that usually only things like the marilith can pull off.