Big, Smart Bugs. Still Vermin? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Big, Smart Bugs. Still Vermin? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Vaalingrade Ashland
05-16-05, 03:52 PM For world of Ere, I'm introducing a number of giant bugs that are as smart as horses or other animals.

Would they still be Vermin? Or would they be Animals or Beasts?
INeedNoSalt
05-16-05, 04:42 PM For world of Ere, I'm introducing a number of giant bugs that are as smart as horses or other animals.

Would they still be Vermin? Or would they be Animals or Beasts?

It wouldn't be vermin, vermin are characterized by - intelligence.

It would be Animal if it had 1-2 int.

It would be Beast if it had greater than 2 int.
Lord Schpungus
05-16-05, 04:53 PM Skill points equal to (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die, if the vermin has an Intelligence score. However, most vermin are mindless
Note it says Most, not all. I would keep them with the Vermin type. They do, of course, lose the mindless quality for having an Int score.
INeedNoSalt
05-16-05, 04:59 PM Note it says Most, not all. I would keep them with the Vermin type. They do, of course, lose the mindless quality for having an Int score.

Of course, everything in the book is 'unless otherwise noted', so you could make it a giant and still be within the rules. But if it's got animal intelligence, it's probably better off as an animal.
feartheinvinceblehamster
05-16-05, 05:21 PM it would either be magical beast or abberation, beasts must have 1-2 int
INeedNoSalt
05-16-05, 07:39 PM it would either be magical beast or abberation, beasts must have 1-2 int

as smart as horses or other animals.

Leads me to believe beast or animal fits just fine.
The_Fan
05-16-05, 08:20 PM No. A Vermin must have -- int. And the beast type has been removed in 3.5. Make them magical beasts, since they're still based off of a real creature. Also, removie their immunity to mind affecting abilities.
Vaalingrade Ashland
05-16-05, 09:26 PM And the beast type has been removed in 3.5.
I'm not even going to pretend to legitimize 3.5
The_Fan
05-16-05, 09:55 PM Could be a bit nicer about it. Some of us barely knew anything else.
Vaalingrade Ashland
05-16-05, 10:21 PM I am truly sympathetic to you, The Fan. I am. But my hatred of what the 'revision did to the game runs deep. Including the loss of the very useful (balancewise and sense wise) Beast type.
The_Fan
05-16-05, 10:51 PM I'm not saying I never played under anything else. I played 3.0 for nearly a year. It just took me about three months to figure out some of the flaws that 3.5 corrected, so I saw it as a welcome change.

Oh well, if you like 3.0, different strokes and all. Just be kind to people with a different viewpoint.
Vaalingrade Ashland
05-16-05, 11:07 PM If you really want to talk about it, come on over to my forums (see sig)

For now, my sweet little Riding Spiders need a type so I can do thier HD.
greatfrito
05-17-05, 01:11 AM I vote to keep them the Vermin type, and ignore the "Mindless" quality.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Vaalingrade Ashland 05-16-05, 03:52 PM	For world of Ere, I'm introducing a number of giant bugs that are as smart as horses or other animals. Would they still be Vermin? Or would they be Animals or Beasts?
INeedNoSalt 05-16-05, 04:42 PM	For world of Ere, I'm introducing a number of giant bugs that are as smart as horses or other animals. Would they still be Vermin? Or would they be Animals or Beasts? It wouldn't be vermin, vermin are characterized by - intelligence. It would be Animal if it had 1-2 int. It would be Beast if it had greater than 2 int.
Lord Schpungus 05-16-05, 04:53 PM	Skill points equal to (2 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die, if the vermin has an Intelligence score. However, most vermin are mindless Note it says Most, not all. I would keep them with the Vermin type. They do, of course, lose the mindless quality for having an Int score.
INeedNoSalt 05-16-05, 04:59 PM	Note it says Most, not all. I would keep them with the Vermin type. They do, of course, lose the mindless quality for having an Int score. Of course, everything in the book is 'unless otherwise noted', so you could make it a giant and still be within the rules. But if it's got animal intelligence, it's probably better off as an animal.
feartheinvinceblehamster 05-16-05, 05:21 PM	it would either be magical beast or abberation, beasts must have 1-2 int
INeedNoSalt 05-16-05, 07:39 PM	it would either be magical beast or abberation, beasts must have 1-2 int as smart as horses or other animals. Leads me to believe beast or animal fits just fine.
The_Fan 05-16-05, 08:20 PM	No. A Vermin must have -- int. And the beast type has been removed in 3.5. Make them magical beasts, since they're still based off of a real creature. Also, removie their immunity to mind affecting abilities.
Vaalingrade Ashland 05-16-05, 09:26 PM	And the beast type has been removed in 3.5. I'm not even going to pretend to legitimize 3.5
The_Fan 05-16-05, 09:55 PM	Could be a bit nicer about it. Some of us barely knew anything else.
Vaalingrade Ashland 05-16-05, 10:21 PM	I am truly sympathetic to you, The Fan. I am. But my hatred of what the 'revision did to the game runs deep. Including the loss of the very useful (balancewise and sense wise) Beast type.
The_Fan 05-16-05, 10:51 PM	I'm not saying I never played under anything else. I played 3.0 for nearly a year. It just took me about three months to figure out some of the flaws that 3.5 corrected, so I saw it as a welcome change. Oh well, if you like 3.0, different strokes and all. Just be kind to people with a different viewpoint.
Vaalingrade Ashland 05-16-05, 11:07 PM	If you really want to talk about it, come on over to my forums (see sig) For now, my sweet little Riding Spiders need a type so I can do thier HD.
greatfrito 05-17-05, 01:11 AM	I vote to keep them the Vermin type, and ignore the "Mindless" quality.