bugbear ECL? [Archive] - Wizards Community

bugbear ECL? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
humungus
06-04-04, 12:33 PM Does anyone else think that the bugbear ECL in the MM 3.5 is way too low? +1 ECL just doesn't make sense when you consider the strong ability bonuses, three hit dice, racial abilities, size bonuses, etc.

I checked the main site, and errata have not yet been compiled for the new MM.

Does anyone have ideas, suggestions, or an official answer on what a more fair ECL would be?

Thanks!!
Smite-Mo-Tron
06-04-04, 01:56 PM Each hit dice counts as a level. Add 1 to that total to determine ECL. It is ecl 4
ieattrollsforbreakfast
06-04-04, 01:59 PM Smite-Mo-Tron is absolutely right, read up on the Level adjustment rules in the DMG and MM. ECL is the sum of the racial hit dice and the level adjustment, so for bugbears it 3+1=4.
I'd hate to see what you would have done if you'd turned to the stone giant page...
Smite-Mo-Tron
06-04-04, 02:00 PM Heck, we almost did that, but we decided that it was waaaaaaaaay too unbalenced. Then we found the actual rules.
Sarig the Genie
06-04-04, 02:57 PM I'd say it's a good thing I read those rules before I started DM'ing :smirk: Had some players that were just looonging for playing those monsters. After I explained ECL to them, it wasn't that tempting anymore ;)

(I never played before I DM'ed)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
humungus 06-04-04, 12:33 PM	Does anyone else think that the bugbear ECL in the MM 3.5 is way too low? +1 ECL just doesn't make sense when you consider the strong ability bonuses, three hit dice, racial abilities, size bonuses, etc. I checked the main site, and errata have not yet been compiled for the new MM. Does anyone have ideas, suggestions, or an official answer on what a more fair ECL would be? Thanks!!
Smite-Mo-Tron 06-04-04, 01:56 PM	Each hit dice counts as a level. Add 1 to that total to determine ECL. It is ecl 4
ieattrollsforbreakfast 06-04-04, 01:59 PM	Smite-Mo-Tron is absolutely right, read up on the Level adjustment rules in the DMG and MM. ECL is the sum of the racial hit dice and the level adjustment, so for bugbears it 3+1=4. I'd hate to see what you would have done if you'd turned to the stone giant page...
Smite-Mo-Tron 06-04-04, 02:00 PM	Heck, we almost did that, but we decided that it was waaaaaaaaay too unbalenced. Then we found the actual rules.
Sarig the Genie 06-04-04, 02:57 PM	I'd say it's a good thing I read those rules before I started DM'ing :smirk: Had some players that were just looonging for playing those monsters. After I explained ECL to them, it wasn't that tempting anymore ;) (I never played before I DM'ed)