can a vampire enter a room in an inn uninvited? [Archive] - Wizards Community

can a vampire enter a room in an inn uninvited? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ryryguy
04-11-07, 11:54 PM They are utterly unable to enter a home or other building unless invited in by someone with the authority to do so. They may freely enter public places, since these are by definition open to all.

So would a room in an inn qualify as a "public place"?

If not, would the innkeeper have the authority to invite the vampire into a room occupied by a guest, or would the guest have to do it?
Tichondrus
04-11-07, 11:59 PM If the room is paid for by the vampire, he can enter, otherwise, he needs an invitation.
Obviously a "Come by whenever you need" makes it a "public place" for you
ryryguy
04-12-07, 12:35 PM How about if the innkeeper gives permission?
Naderion
04-12-07, 12:50 PM I would say yes he can. It's not rooms or houses he can't enter, but their natures as homes. I think it's the spiritual connection of the inhabitants to the place that causes the effect on the vampire and there is no such thing to a tavern room you just occupy for one or two nights.
ryryguy
04-12-07, 04:06 PM Naderion - that's basically the "Dresden Files" theory of thresholds... I think the rules don't really speak directly to this situation, so I am looking for flavor stuff like that to help guide me. Thanks for the suggestion.
IrishRover
04-12-07, 10:45 PM I interpret it as being a person's home. Thus, an inn room doesn't qualify, and it can enter. Neither does a typical adventurer's tent for camping...it's just a temporary shelter.
But--a nomad's tent would keep a vampire out...the tent is what he thinks of of as home. It does become a gray area, but overall, I treat it as spirtiual. A group of pirate's home is their ship...so at the very least, the living acomodations of the permanent crew likely would count--if the ship is truely home.
Illithid_Tentacles
04-15-07, 02:07 PM The thing about vampires not only refusing, but outright being unable to enter another person's home uninvited stems from the idea that they, as nobles, would be too polite to do such a thing. The common room of an inn, a city park, a concert hall (provided he had a ticket or whatever) would all be open to a vampire. A person's home, or occupied hotel rooms would be barred to him (even if the person renting the room doesn't intend to stay there for more than one night, it's still his and for now it belongs to him).

Although this does raise he question: What if a vampire hid in an unoccupied hotel room, and waited for someone to rent it and come in? Would he have to leave as soon as the renter noticed him, or would he be able to stay despite that, but be compelled to leave if asked to?
Saicotic
04-15-07, 05:18 PM I think in the vampyre's mindset, it would be "his" room, even though unoccupied...if someone did rent it, the renter would consider the room his, but the vampyre would just as well continue thinking it's his own room.

Illithid, I believe you're correct as to the stemming of the belief...and it's the vampyre's mindset that matters, not technicalities.

Think of it like a kid taking a cookie. The only thing that stops them is knowing that it's wrong- having the mother think that the kid shouldn't take one, but not telling him, is the same as the kid believing that it's right.
Prak, the Mad
04-17-07, 12:21 AM A group of pirate's home is their ship...so at the very least, the living acomodations of the permanent crew likely would count--if the ship is truely home.
nevermind that they generally can't cross running water anyway...
ank
04-22-07, 04:00 PM I'd say that a room in an inn belongs primarily to the innkeeper (it is his house after all). Therefore, a vampire would need permission to enter the inn, but it would not need permission to go bashing through doors and into a victom's room inside of that inn. It wouldn't even be hard to get invited into the inn: "Come on in out of the cold" is as good an invitation as any.
Raukolinae
04-23-07, 01:14 AM nevermind that they generally can't cross running water anyway...

They can, however, if they are carried in their coffins, or onboard a ship, like the reference (pirate ship) suggests.

Vampires are also unable to cross running water, although they can be carried over it while resting in their coffins or aboard a ship.
Prak, the Mad
04-23-07, 01:49 PM hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship...
bloodtalon
04-23-07, 02:03 PM this might sound bad
but on BUFFY the VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL
they did need an invite to go into the room
be it by the person at the front desk or the person in the room
420
04-23-07, 06:37 PM hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship...
Nah, that only pertains to stingy vampires that don't want to pay for passage for themselves and their coffin.

this might sound bad
but on BUFFY the VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL
Yeah, well in The Lost Boys (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093437/), vampires could enter a home uninvited just fine BUT if you invited them in then the vampire was no longer vulnerable to things like garlic, crosses, lack of reflection, etc.

Also, I just checked the old AD&D Monster Manual and the entry for vampire doesn't mention anything about needing invitations. So, it seems that if the rule is a hassle at all you can choose to ignore it.

-420
obrinian
04-23-07, 09:56 PM vamps can inter any public area an inn is in a public place so they dont need to ask
Raukolinae
04-26-07, 12:26 AM hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship...

By a reading of the rules I would say no. And in Dracula, by Bram Stoker, Dracula was not bound to his coffin on the ship. In fact he killed all the sailors, and escaped the ship as a wolf. Then again, he was also able to walk in daylight, though he didn't have nearly a quarter his strength.
Daydreamer
04-26-07, 04:37 PM He can enter the inn, but to enter a room in the inn he has to pay or be invited.
R.M.G.C.L.F.
04-26-07, 10:10 PM It's about private vs. public property. Paid for a room, it's private.
Malruhn
04-26-07, 10:27 PM Don't forget that there are vampires in nearly every society on earth!!

There are vamps that you need silver to kill, and holy water is something they can bathe in without harm. There are vamps that are horridly stupid (zombie-like) that are more like the "Dawn of the Dead" zombies - fast, but dumb. There are vamps that feed on psychic energy - and don't need to bite necks...

Just use your Google-fu to search for them, and then scare the tar out of your players when the vampire reaches out and touches that holy symbol!! (insert REALLY evil laugh here!!!)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ryryguy 04-11-07, 11:54 PM	They are utterly unable to enter a home or other building unless invited in by someone with the authority to do so. They may freely enter public places, since these are by definition open to all. So would a room in an inn qualify as a "public place"? If not, would the innkeeper have the authority to invite the vampire into a room occupied by a guest, or would the guest have to do it?
Tichondrus 04-11-07, 11:59 PM	If the room is paid for by the vampire, he can enter, otherwise, he needs an invitation. Obviously a "Come by whenever you need" makes it a "public place" for you
ryryguy 04-12-07, 12:35 PM	How about if the innkeeper gives permission?
Naderion 04-12-07, 12:50 PM	I would say yes he can. It's not rooms or houses he can't enter, but their natures as homes. I think it's the spiritual connection of the inhabitants to the place that causes the effect on the vampire and there is no such thing to a tavern room you just occupy for one or two nights.
ryryguy 04-12-07, 04:06 PM	Naderion - that's basically the "Dresden Files" theory of thresholds... I think the rules don't really speak directly to this situation, so I am looking for flavor stuff like that to help guide me. Thanks for the suggestion.
IrishRover 04-12-07, 10:45 PM	I interpret it as being a person's home. Thus, an inn room doesn't qualify, and it can enter. Neither does a typical adventurer's tent for camping...it's just a temporary shelter. But--a nomad's tent would keep a vampire out...the tent is what he thinks of of as home. It does become a gray area, but overall, I treat it as spirtiual. A group of pirate's home is their ship...so at the very least, the living acomodations of the permanent crew likely would count--if the ship is truely home.
Illithid_Tentacles 04-15-07, 02:07 PM	The thing about vampires not only refusing, but outright being unable to enter another person's home uninvited stems from the idea that they, as nobles, would be too polite to do such a thing. The common room of an inn, a city park, a concert hall (provided he had a ticket or whatever) would all be open to a vampire. A person's home, or occupied hotel rooms would be barred to him (even if the person renting the room doesn't intend to stay there for more than one night, it's still his and for now it belongs to him). Although this does raise he question: What if a vampire hid in an unoccupied hotel room, and waited for someone to rent it and come in? Would he have to leave as soon as the renter noticed him, or would he be able to stay despite that, but be compelled to leave if asked to?
Saicotic 04-15-07, 05:18 PM	I think in the vampyre's mindset, it would be "his" room, even though unoccupied...if someone did rent it, the renter would consider the room his, but the vampyre would just as well continue thinking it's his own room. Illithid, I believe you're correct as to the stemming of the belief...and it's the vampyre's mindset that matters, not technicalities. Think of it like a kid taking a cookie. The only thing that stops them is knowing that it's wrong- having the mother think that the kid shouldn't take one, but not telling him, is the same as the kid believing that it's right.
Prak, the Mad 04-17-07, 12:21 AM	A group of pirate's home is their ship...so at the very least, the living acomodations of the permanent crew likely would count--if the ship is truely home. nevermind that they generally can't cross running water anyway...
ank 04-22-07, 04:00 PM	I'd say that a room in an inn belongs primarily to the innkeeper (it is his house after all). Therefore, a vampire would need permission to enter the inn, but it would not need permission to go bashing through doors and into a victom's room inside of that inn. It wouldn't even be hard to get invited into the inn: "Come on in out of the cold" is as good an invitation as any.
Raukolinae 04-23-07, 01:14 AM	nevermind that they generally can't cross running water anyway... They can, however, if they are carried in their coffins, or onboard a ship, like the reference (pirate ship) suggests. Vampires are also unable to cross running water, although they can be carried over it while resting in their coffins or aboard a ship.
Prak, the Mad 04-23-07, 01:49 PM	hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship...
bloodtalon 04-23-07, 02:03 PM	this might sound bad but on BUFFY the VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL they did need an invite to go into the room be it by the person at the front desk or the person in the room
420 04-23-07, 06:37 PM	hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship... Nah, that only pertains to stingy vampires that don't want to pay for passage for themselves and their coffin. this might sound bad but on BUFFY the VAMPIRE SLAYER and ANGEL Yeah, well in The Lost Boys (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093437/), vampires could enter a home uninvited just fine BUT if you invited them in then the vampire was no longer vulnerable to things like garlic, crosses, lack of reflection, etc. Also, I just checked the old AD&D Monster Manual and the entry for vampire doesn't mention anything about needing invitations. So, it seems that if the rule is a hassle at all you can choose to ignore it. -420
obrinian 04-23-07, 09:56 PM	vamps can inter any public area an inn is in a public place so they dont need to ask
Raukolinae 04-26-07, 12:26 AM	hmm... I think traditionally they have to be resting in their coffin, even if on a ship... By a reading of the rules I would say no. And in Dracula, by Bram Stoker, Dracula was not bound to his coffin on the ship. In fact he killed all the sailors, and escaped the ship as a wolf. Then again, he was also able to walk in daylight, though he didn't have nearly a quarter his strength.
Daydreamer 04-26-07, 04:37 PM	He can enter the inn, but to enter a room in the inn he has to pay or be invited.
R.M.G.C.L.F. 04-26-07, 10:10 PM	It's about private vs. public property. Paid for a room, it's private.
Malruhn 04-26-07, 10:27 PM	Don't forget that there are vampires in nearly every society on earth!! There are vamps that you need silver to kill, and holy water is something they can bathe in without harm. There are vamps that are horridly stupid (zombie-like) that are more like the "Dawn of the Dead" zombies - fast, but dumb. There are vamps that feed on psychic energy - and don't need to bite necks... Just use your Google-fu to search for them, and then scare the tar out of your players when the vampire reaches out and touches that holy symbol!! (insert REALLY evil laugh here!!!)