Can Undead be petrified? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can Undead be petrified? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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danielinthewolvesden
10-08-06, 11:58 PM That's the question.:confused:
CryoSilver
10-09-06, 12:15 AM As by Flesh to Stone, no.

Undead are immune to effects that require a Fortitude save, which FtS does.

However, you could use Polymorph Any Object to turn an undead creature into a stone statue.
75RD Drum Clip
10-09-06, 03:57 AM Undead can be hit with the glass strike spell since the spell works on objects.
Raven Dark
10-09-06, 09:29 AM They are immune to anything that would require a Fortitude save unless it would also affect objects. Having said that, no they are not intrinsically immune to being petrified.
danielinthewolvesden
10-09-06, 01:49 PM I was thinking more like a cockatrices or medusa's attack, not nessesarily the spell.
mvincent
10-09-06, 02:47 PM Undead can be hit with the glass strike spell since the spell works on objects.By the rules, undead are not treated as objects.
Raven Dark
10-09-06, 02:47 PM I was thinking more like a cockatrices or medusa's attack, not nessesarily the spell.

If they allow fortitude saves then undead are immune to it.
dfarnsworth
10-09-06, 02:59 PM By the rules, undead are not treated as objects.

But by the description in the MM they can be affected by effects that affect objects or are harmless.
Talisman
10-09-06, 03:06 PM Undead are creatures, not objects; BUT

Undead are immune to effects that require Fort saves UNLESS such effects affect objects (such as a disintegrate spell).

Most petrification effects allow a Fort save. Therefore, undead are immune to straight-up petrification. They are not, however, immune to turn-to-stone effects that allow a different save or no save at all.
Part-Human2
10-09-06, 03:27 PM Flesh to Stone
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 6
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
Immune here because it doesn't affect objects.

Petrification (Su): Creatures hit by a cockatrice’s bite attack must succeed on a DC 12 Fortitude save or instantly turn to stone. The save DC is Constitution-based. Cockatrices have immunity to the petrification ability of other cockatrices, but other petrification attacks affect them normally.
Immune here because it affects only creatures.

Petrifying Gaze (Su): Turn to stone permanently, 30 feet, Fortitude DC 15 negates. The save DC is Charisma-based.
Normally an object cannot see so it is not affected by gaze attacks at all. But that does that cover the clause where constructs and undead are immune to CON-save effects that don't also affect objects?

Breath Weapon (Su): 60-foot cone, once every 1d4 rounds (but no more than five times per day), turn to stone permanently, Fortitude DC 19 negates. The save DC is Constitution-based.
Turn what to stone? Breath weapons affect objects. I wish they were more clear here. Can a gorgon turn a wooden chair to stone? If so, then it can turn a stone golem to stone. Can it turn a ghost to stone?

And whlie the condition of being Petrified is described, there are no rules over Petrification attacks in general.
danielinthewolvesden
10-10-06, 05:56 PM Flesh to Stone does indeed effect objects- all objects on the targets body are also turned to stone.
CryoSilver
10-10-06, 06:06 PM The target for the spell is "one creature," therefore, it does nnot affect undead.
Raven Dark
10-10-06, 07:17 PM The target for the spell is "one creature," therefore, it does nnot affect undead.

Undead are creatures. If the target line of the spell said "living creatures" then you would be right.

Irregardless, I don't believe the spell would work on undead for reasons already mentioned.
CryoSilver
10-10-06, 10:17 PM Irregardless is not a word.

Undead are immune to creature-affecting spells that require a Fortitude save:

Flesh to Stone targets a creature and it requires a Fortitude save. Therefore, undead are immune to it.
mvincent
10-11-06, 12:12 AM Undead are creatures. If the target line of the spell said "living creatures" then you would be right.To clarify, the rules for undead traits (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#undeadType) say:
"Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless)."

This refers to the words (object) or (harmless) being in the spell's Saving Throw line (Flesh to Stone (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fleshToStone.htm) has neither)
speeblefreak
10-11-06, 12:28 AM Flesh to Stone
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 6
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes

This spell would not work on undead, but...

Matter to Stone
Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 6
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Target: One creature or object
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes

...this spell would.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
danielinthewolvesden 10-08-06, 11:58 PM	That's the question.:confused:
CryoSilver 10-09-06, 12:15 AM	As by Flesh to Stone, no. Undead are immune to effects that require a Fortitude save, which FtS does. However, you could use Polymorph Any Object to turn an undead creature into a stone statue.
75RD Drum Clip 10-09-06, 03:57 AM	Undead can be hit with the glass strike spell since the spell works on objects.
Raven Dark 10-09-06, 09:29 AM	They are immune to anything that would require a Fortitude save unless it would also affect objects. Having said that, no they are not intrinsically immune to being petrified.
danielinthewolvesden 10-09-06, 01:49 PM	I was thinking more like a cockatrices or medusa's attack, not nessesarily the spell.
mvincent 10-09-06, 02:47 PM	Undead can be hit with the glass strike spell since the spell works on objects.By the rules, undead are not treated as objects.
Raven Dark 10-09-06, 02:47 PM	I was thinking more like a cockatrices or medusa's attack, not nessesarily the spell. If they allow fortitude saves then undead are immune to it.
dfarnsworth 10-09-06, 02:59 PM	By the rules, undead are not treated as objects. But by the description in the MM they can be affected by effects that affect objects or are harmless.
Talisman 10-09-06, 03:06 PM	Undead are creatures, not objects; BUT Undead are immune to effects that require Fort saves UNLESS such effects affect objects (such as a disintegrate spell). Most petrification effects allow a Fort save. Therefore, undead are immune to straight-up petrification. They are not, however, immune to turn-to-stone effects that allow a different save or no save at all.
Part-Human2 10-09-06, 03:27 PM	Flesh to Stone Transmutation Level: Sor/Wiz 6 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Target: One creature Duration: Instantaneous Saving Throw: Fortitude negates Spell Resistance: Yes Immune here because it doesn't affect objects. Petrification (Su): Creatures hit by a cockatrice’s bite attack must succeed on a DC 12 Fortitude save or instantly turn to stone. The save DC is Constitution-based. Cockatrices have immunity to the petrification ability of other cockatrices, but other petrification attacks affect them normally. Immune here because it affects only creatures. Petrifying Gaze (Su): Turn to stone permanently, 30 feet, Fortitude DC 15 negates. The save DC is Charisma-based. Normally an object cannot see so it is not affected by gaze attacks at all. But that does that cover the clause where constructs and undead are immune to CON-save effects that don't also affect objects? Breath Weapon (Su): 60-foot cone, once every 1d4 rounds (but no more than five times per day), turn to stone permanently, Fortitude DC 19 negates. The save DC is Constitution-based. Turn what to stone? Breath weapons affect objects. I wish they were more clear here. Can a gorgon turn a wooden chair to stone? If so, then it can turn a stone golem to stone. Can it turn a ghost to stone? And whlie the condition of being Petrified is described, there are no rules over Petrification attacks in general.
danielinthewolvesden 10-10-06, 05:56 PM	Flesh to Stone does indeed effect objects- all objects on the targets body are also turned to stone.
CryoSilver 10-10-06, 06:06 PM	The target for the spell is "one creature," therefore, it does nnot affect undead.
Raven Dark 10-10-06, 07:17 PM	The target for the spell is "one creature," therefore, it does nnot affect undead. Undead are creatures. If the target line of the spell said "living creatures" then you would be right. Irregardless, I don't believe the spell would work on undead for reasons already mentioned.
CryoSilver 10-10-06, 10:17 PM	Irregardless is not a word. Undead are immune to creature-affecting spells that require a Fortitude save: Flesh to Stone targets a creature and it requires a Fortitude save. Therefore, undead are immune to it.
mvincent 10-11-06, 12:12 AM	Undead are creatures. If the target line of the spell said "living creatures" then you would be right.To clarify, the rules for undead traits (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#undeadType) say: "Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless)." This refers to the words (object) or (harmless) being in the spell's Saving Throw line (Flesh to Stone (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fleshToStone.htm) has neither)
speeblefreak 10-11-06, 12:28 AM	Flesh to Stone Transmutation Level: Sor/Wiz 6 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Target: One creature Duration: Instantaneous Saving Throw: Fortitude negates Spell Resistance: Yes This spell would not work on undead, but... Matter to Stone Transmutation Level: Sor/Wiz 6 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Target: One creature or object Duration: Instantaneous Saving Throw: Fortitude negates Spell Resistance: Yes ...this spell would.