CHA-Damage to monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

CHA-Damage to monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Sennet
05-30-06, 03:54 PM Hey,

I recently stumbled over the question what does happen to monsters if you decrease their ability-scores, especially CHA?

Common sense would dictate that they'd suffer the same consequences as PCs do, but what for example about the skeleton? It has a CHA-score of 1, but if you'd deal it a CHA-damage, would it also go into a coma-like stupor?
Not very logical IMO, but I couldn't find any rules concerning this, so maybe one of you guys can help me :)
Chaotis
05-30-06, 04:03 PM I think if something goes to 0 wis or cha, it falls unconscious, unless it's one of those undead ability drains.
Selebius
05-30-06, 04:05 PM A skeleton is immune to ability damage/drain;).

However, a monster should suffer the same consequences as a character when losing CHA.

Roleplayingwise I would also desribe that the monster loses some of its selfconciousness.

Sel
Ralp
05-30-06, 04:15 PM A skeleton is immune to ability damage/drain;).

I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless.

Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader.
AbyssKnight
05-30-06, 04:39 PM You can also deal ability damage with spells. But all spells I know of that do ability damage are Necromacy (for physical stats) or [Mind Affecting] (for mental stats). Since undead are immune to both of these as well, it would be very difficult to find a way to deal Cha damage to a skeleton. But if you did find a way.....easy XP.
runestar
05-30-06, 11:18 PM Ego whip.... ;)
AbyssKnight
05-30-06, 11:27 PM Ego Whip is [Mind Affecting], so undead are immune.
obrysii
05-31-06, 09:49 AM I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless.

Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader.

Eh? What? That's bizarre. I never realized that before.
DrMorganes
05-31-06, 09:54 AM You can also deal ability damage with spells. But all spells I know of that do ability damage are Necromacy (for physical stats) or [Mind Affecting] (for mental stats). Since undead are immune to both of these as well, it would be very difficult to find a way to deal Cha damage to a skeleton. But if you did find a way.....easy XP.

Like skeletons aren't easy XP? ;)
Selebius
05-31-06, 10:30 AM I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless.

Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader.

You are correct, of course. My bad :embarrass .

Sel
Ralp
05-31-06, 02:39 PM Eh? What? That's bizarre. I never realized that before.
Surprised me too. I'm still hoping someone can scrounge up something that inflicts Charisma damage that's not poison or [Mind-Affecting], even if only for the scavenger hunt fun of it. :)

I don't have a Book of Exalted Deeds (nor am I especially fond of what I've seen of it), but I wonder if any "ravages" would fit this criterion?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Sennet 05-30-06, 03:54 PM	Hey, I recently stumbled over the question what does happen to monsters if you decrease their ability-scores, especially CHA? Common sense would dictate that they'd suffer the same consequences as PCs do, but what for example about the skeleton? It has a CHA-score of 1, but if you'd deal it a CHA-damage, would it also go into a coma-like stupor? Not very logical IMO, but I couldn't find any rules concerning this, so maybe one of you guys can help me :)
Chaotis 05-30-06, 04:03 PM	I think if something goes to 0 wis or cha, it falls unconscious, unless it's one of those undead ability drains.
Selebius 05-30-06, 04:05 PM	A skeleton is immune to ability damage/drain;). However, a monster should suffer the same consequences as a character when losing CHA. Roleplayingwise I would also desribe that the monster loses some of its selfconciousness. Sel
Ralp 05-30-06, 04:15 PM	A skeleton is immune to ability damage/drain;). I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless. Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader.
AbyssKnight 05-30-06, 04:39 PM	You can also deal ability damage with spells. But all spells I know of that do ability damage are Necromacy (for physical stats) or [Mind Affecting] (for mental stats). Since undead are immune to both of these as well, it would be very difficult to find a way to deal Cha damage to a skeleton. But if you did find a way.....easy XP.
runestar 05-30-06, 11:18 PM	Ego whip.... ;)
AbyssKnight 05-30-06, 11:27 PM	Ego Whip is [Mind Affecting], so undead are immune.
obrysii 05-31-06, 09:49 AM	I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless. Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader. Eh? What? That's bizarre. I never realized that before.
DrMorganes 05-31-06, 09:54 AM	You can also deal ability damage with spells. But all spells I know of that do ability damage are Necromacy (for physical stats) or [Mind Affecting] (for mental stats). Since undead are immune to both of these as well, it would be very difficult to find a way to deal Cha damage to a skeleton. But if you did find a way.....easy XP. Like skeletons aren't easy XP? ;)
Selebius 05-31-06, 10:30 AM	I almost wrote this in my reply, but it turns out that Undead are only immune to ability drain (of any type), and ability damage to Str, Con, and Dex. So yeah, a single point of Charisma damage to a skeleton would knock him helpless. Since Undead are, of course, immune to poison and disease, the specific means of inflicting this Charisma damage is left as an exercise for the reader. You are correct, of course. My bad :embarrass . Sel
Ralp 05-31-06, 02:39 PM	Eh? What? That's bizarre. I never realized that before. Surprised me too. I'm still hoping someone can scrounge up something that inflicts Charisma damage that's not poison or [Mind-Affecting], even if only for the scavenger hunt fun of it. :) I don't have a Book of Exalted Deeds (nor am I especially fond of what I've seen of it), but I wonder if any "ravages" would fit this criterion?