Chaotic and Lawful Subtypes Idea [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chaotic and Lawful Subtypes Idea [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
savant_warlord13
01-26-06, 04:41 PM I have an idea to make creatures with the chaotic or lawful subtype more chaotic or lawful

When determining the hit points of your creatures, roll the dice as follows

Lawful subtype- all average HD
Chaotic subtype- roll randomly for each HD
Neither subtype- half HD are average, half are rolled randomly

P.S. Should this go on the Deities and the Planes boards? It applies mostly to outsiders, so I thought that might cover the planes, but I decided to ask first.
savant_warlord13
01-29-06, 09:55 AM no comments?
Th_Ar_Al
01-29-06, 10:02 AM Is not the biggest change.

Maybe a anarchy creature could roll a better die but with a penalty of -1, for example 1d4 would be 1d6-1 this gives the chances of both a bigger HP (5) or a smaller (0)
savant_warlord13
01-29-06, 10:05 AM Is not the biggest change.

Maybe a anarchy creature could roll a better die but with a penalty of -1, for example 1d4 would be 1d6-1 this gives the chances of both a bigger HP (5) or a smaller (0)

maybe, but that would be a very bad idea if it didn't have a positive constitution modifier
savant_warlord13
02-08-06, 05:06 PM :bump:
Hamster_Ninja
02-08-06, 07:28 PM Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species.
Morka
02-09-06, 10:44 AM If you face many low level creatures, it might be interresting. I mean, facing 12 minors demon, all the same race, with some of them having 4 HP and some of them having 18 HP could be quite confusing, while facing 12 minors devils with each 12 HP could become repetitive.
But for a creature with many HD, in the long run, the chaotic monster will end with an equal amount of HD than the lawful one.
Feor
02-09-06, 05:57 PM Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species.

I think when he says "chaotic/lawful" crteatures, he doesn't just mean creatures with the appropriate alignments, but more creatures hailing from planes associated with the appropriate type. Things like Inevitables or Slaad.

I like the upsized HD-1 idea. It increases the randomness of it by making your chances of getting any one rolled number that much less (i.e. d6 vs. d4 is a 1-in-6 chance, vs.1-in-4) and subtracting the one makes it possible to get 0. For lawful do the exact opposite, decrease the hit die size by one and add 1 to the result. So you get less randomness (1-in-4 vs. 1-in-6) and the smaller HD is countered by the fact you can't get less than 2.
savant_warlord13
02-10-06, 03:11 PM Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species.

Well duh! That's why I said lawful or chaotic SUBTYPE, not alignment! As for creatures with neither subtype, this variant will give them only a small amount of variability.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
savant_warlord13 01-26-06, 04:41 PM	I have an idea to make creatures with the chaotic or lawful subtype more chaotic or lawful When determining the hit points of your creatures, roll the dice as follows Lawful subtype- all average HD Chaotic subtype- roll randomly for each HD Neither subtype- half HD are average, half are rolled randomly P.S. Should this go on the Deities and the Planes boards? It applies mostly to outsiders, so I thought that might cover the planes, but I decided to ask first.
savant_warlord13 01-29-06, 09:55 AM	no comments?
Th_Ar_Al 01-29-06, 10:02 AM	Is not the biggest change. Maybe a anarchy creature could roll a better die but with a penalty of -1, for example 1d4 would be 1d6-1 this gives the chances of both a bigger HP (5) or a smaller (0)
savant_warlord13 01-29-06, 10:05 AM	Is not the biggest change. Maybe a anarchy creature could roll a better die but with a penalty of -1, for example 1d4 would be 1d6-1 this gives the chances of both a bigger HP (5) or a smaller (0) maybe, but that would be a very bad idea if it didn't have a positive constitution modifier
savant_warlord13 02-08-06, 05:06 PM	:bump:
Hamster_Ninja 02-08-06, 07:28 PM	Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species.
Morka 02-09-06, 10:44 AM	If you face many low level creatures, it might be interresting. I mean, facing 12 minors demon, all the same race, with some of them having 4 HP and some of them having 18 HP could be quite confusing, while facing 12 minors devils with each 12 HP could become repetitive. But for a creature with many HD, in the long run, the chaotic monster will end with an equal amount of HD than the lawful one.
Feor 02-09-06, 05:57 PM	Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species. I think when he says "chaotic/lawful" crteatures, he doesn't just mean creatures with the appropriate alignments, but more creatures hailing from planes associated with the appropriate type. Things like Inevitables or Slaad. I like the upsized HD-1 idea. It increases the randomness of it by making your chances of getting any one rolled number that much less (i.e. d6 vs. d4 is a 1-in-6 chance, vs.1-in-4) and subtracting the one makes it possible to get 0. For lawful do the exact opposite, decrease the hit die size by one and add 1 to the result. So you get less randomness (1-in-4 vs. 1-in-6) and the smaller HD is countered by the fact you can't get less than 2.
savant_warlord13 02-10-06, 03:11 PM	Decent idea except chaos is more of a personality trait than a physical feature. A gold dragon is still a gold dragon no matter what alignment it has. Being chaotic doesn't mean your likely to have drasticly different hp than other members of your race/species. Well duh! That's why I said lawful or chaotic SUBTYPE, not alignment! As for creatures with neither subtype, this variant will give them only a small amount of variability.