Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ChimericalWolf 04-14-06, 05:24 PM	My group and I have always had a slight problem with undead immunity to mind-affecting abilitys. The example I recently used: A 5th level wizard can Suggestion a GRW, while a 20th level can't Dominate Monster a simple Ghoul. I thought of making a houserule for my campaigns, and wanted the boards to give me some feedback and suggestions. I'm thinking about making non-mindless undead vulerable to mind-affecting effects, but give them a +4 bonus to represent the whole "We're ever so different" that undead presumably have. In cases like psionic charm, where it takes more power to affect certain creature types, I'd rank undead with dragons, again to represent the difficulty of dominating them. What say you, the boards?
Krug_the_smasher 04-15-06, 01:28 AM	Well if you are making this affect undead like Zombies and Skeletons, you are crazy. Good kinda crazy though. If you mean undead like Lichs Necropolitans and Dracoliches, then yes, it makes sense. They still have a concious mind, so they can be effected by those spells. But thats just what i think.
runestar 04-15-06, 01:45 AM	There's a metamagic feat in one of the recent issues of dragon that lets your compulsion spells affect intelligent undead, +1slot modifier. :)
R.M.G.C.L.F. 04-15-06, 08:20 PM	Undead are immune to normal mind-affecting effects. However, the previously mentioned ghoul can be rebuked/controlled by a mere level four evil cleric with a good charisma. There are a number of magics designed specifically to control undead to make up for this lack of true mind-control abilities. My flavor explanation for it is that undead are in a constant dream-state. They are concious and capable of language and advanced thought, but their perception and thought process is distorted. This explains the violently emotional and irrational attitudes of some undead and the detached passivity of others. Compulsions and charms just can't act on this altered mind properly.