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Rakmakallan
09-19-07, 04:51 AM Note: This is It the clown from Stephen King's novel. It is my first creature attempt and created as if here is but one It with mid to high level power, though I have been told to either give him Archfiend stature or lower its power and have a whole bunch of them out there. I hope you enjoy it.

It unique medium outsider(evil,native)

HD:13d8+52(109,13 HD)
Initiative:+2
Speed:30'
Armor class:30(10+3 Dex+5 Insight+12 Natural),Touch 13,Flat footed 22
Base attack/Grapple:+13/+20
Attack:Bite +16(3d6+3)
Full attack:Bite +16(3d6+3)
Space/Reach:5'/5'
Special attacks:Worst Nightmare,Spell-like abilities,Improved grab, Blood balloon
Special qualities:DR 15/good or child wielded weapon, SR 25, Vulnerability to child damage,Outsider traits,Frightful presence,Deathless horror, Enduring Fears,Telepathy 60', Resistance:all energy types 10
Saves:Fort +12,Ref +11,Will +13
Abilities:Str 17,Dex 16,Con 18,Int 20,Wis 21,Cha 30
Skills:Bluff +28,Concentration +20,Escape arist +19,Forgery +21, Gather Information +26,Hide +21,Intimidate +26,Listen +21, Move silently +21,
Search +21,Sense motive +21,Spot +21,Spellcraft +21
Feats:Improved Natural attack(bite), Ability focus(worst nightmare), Persuasive,Stealthy,Improved Grapple(Bonus),Power attack
Environment:Any
Organization:Solitary
Treasure:None
Alignment:Neutral Evil
Advancement:-
Level adjustment:-

The creature before you seems to have been spawned from the worst childhood memories. It resembles a white-skinned clown with baggy clothes,and orange hair on his head. It has a malevolent expression on its face and with an evil grin shows its pointed teeth.

[I would appreciate it if none posted images of It. Secondly, many of its abilities are Ex instead of Su to reflect that its fear nature is not magical but totally natural]

It is the symbol of children's phobias,especially that of growing up. It has roamed the multiverse for thousands of years scaring kids of all races and eventually eating them.

Combat
It despises contact with adults except for the case they escaped him when they were young. Though It is a capable melee combatant it prefers using its special attacks against adults saving its melee attacks for whwn it eats children.It's attacks are treted as evil aligned for the purpose of overcoming DR.

Worst Nightmare(Ex):It can easily scare people of all ages. At will but no more than every 2d4 rounds it can scare a character with subconscious hallucinations. If the victim fails a Will save(DC 26) they are stunned for 1 round. Children take a -2 penalty to this roll. Once per day It can decide that the creature it scares must succeed at the save or die from fright.The Dc is Cha based.

Spell-like abilities(Sp):At will:Silent image(21),Cause fear(21),Darkness,Scare(22),Blur,True Seeing

3/day:Fear(23),Dimension door,Confusion(23),Greater Invisibility,Phantasmal killer(23),Nightmare(24),Mirage arcana
1/day:Programmed image,Teleport,Plane shift
1/week:Symbol of Fear,Finger of Death,Weird(DC 29)

Improved grab(Ex):Automatic bite damage each round.Grapple as free action without attack of opportunity if It hits with a bite attack

Blood balloon(Su):3/day It can conjure a balloon as a standard action, Whenever it wishes the baloon explodes covering everyone in a 30' radius in blood. All such creatures must succeed at a DC 26 Fort save or become nauseated and panicked for d6 rounds. The DC is Cha based.

Vulnerability to children(Ex): Children deal double damage to It

Frightful presence(Ex): Will DC 26 negates

Deathless Horror(Ex): If It is killed it simply respawns immediately somewhere on the Material Plane. Its soul cannot be trapped but it never again plagues the people who killed it(see Enduring Fears for exceptions).

Enduring Fears(Ex):If a child somehow gets rid of It, it returns to plague it again once more during its adult life. When this occurs the adult suffers a -2 in attacks,saves and checks against It.

NOTE: If a character saves against It's abilities 5 consecutive times, it leaves never plaguing his life again. Children get a +4 bonus in all saving throws against It.

I will gladly answer any questions you have.
DebiHuman
09-19-07, 01:45 PM Pennywise is just ONE of its incarnations. IT also had a spider form. How does it get a deflection bonus?

From the SRD: "A deflection bonus affects Armor Class and is granted by a spell or magic effect that makes attacks veer off harmlessly. Deflection bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other deflection bonuses. A deflection bonus applies against touch attacks."

I didn't see any special spells used to create the deflection bonus. I'd just give it +12 natural.

Also from SRD: "A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide. Natural armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with armor bonuses) except other natural armor bonuses. Some magical effects (such as the barkskin spell) grant an enhancement bonus to the creature's existing natural armor bonus, which has the effect of increasing the natural armor's overall bonus to Armor Class. A natural armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks."

You've left off the flat-footed and touch for AC.

It's been so long since I've read the book that I don't remember all of IT's powers any more. True Seeing should really be a spell-like ability.
Extraordinary abilities don't reflect whether or not something is a natural power or not, it just means that they are non-magical. Supernatural abilities are magical in nature.

Debby
Rakmakallan
09-19-07, 02:06 PM Pennywise is just ONE of its incarnations. IT also had a spider form. How does it get a deflection bonus?

From the SRD: "A deflection bonus affects Armor Class and is granted by a spell or magic effect that makes attacks veer off harmlessly. Deflection bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other deflection bonuses. A deflection bonus applies against touch attacks."

I didn't see any special spells used to create the deflection bonus. I'd just give it +12 natural.

Also from SRD: "A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide. Natural armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with armor bonuses) except other natural armor bonuses. Some magical effects (such as the barkskin spell) grant an enhancement bonus to the creature's existing natural armor bonus, which has the effect of increasing the natural armor's overall bonus to Armor Class. A natural armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks."

You've left off the flat-footed and touch for AC.

It's been so long since I've read the book that I don't remember all of IT's powers any more. True Seeing should really be a spell-like ability.
Extraordinary abilities don't reflect whether or not something is a natural power or not, it just means that they are non-magical. Supernatural abilities are magical in nature.

Debby

1)The deflection bonus is a common characteristic of Outsiders,thus I used it.
It just does not seem logic for It to have a "tough hide". Still I fixed it.

2)Added flatfooted and touch AC. I don't have access to my books right now and might have miscalculated.

3)True seeing simply represents It's insight in phobias.If it can sense fear,then it has greater awareness ,too. Fixed

4)I know about the spider form and might add it in the near future but Ever since I watched the film, I have believed that it was not a natural form but a subconscious sighting of the kids. I'll see what I can do.

You must also understand that I have only read minor parts of the book to aid me and only had complete access to the movie.
Do you think that I should make It into an abomination and then use Pennywise and the spider as mere avatars?

Thanks Debbie.
Return of the Flumph
09-19-07, 02:30 PM I tried to do this a few years ago. Not sure what happened to it, though.

If I were you, I would start by statting It's true form (collosal spider demon) as an archfiend or demigod, and then make Pennywise its avatar.
Rakmakallan
09-20-07, 02:12 AM I tried to do this a few years ago. Not sure what happened to it, though.

If I were you, I would start by statting It's true form (collosal spider demon) as an archfiend or demigod, and then make Pennywise its avatar.

ROTF, I guess you are right. But why only archfiend or demideity. Since It is the sum of all phobias I thought a unique abomination or greater-deity stature creature would be better. I will try to stat it.
At least are the mechanics and the flavor correct?
Lunas_Argent
09-20-07, 02:23 AM Ever since I watched the film, I have believed that it was not a natural form but a subconscious sighting of the kids.

Outsider is good, but the spider shape is not really in the kids imagination, I believe he is a Dandelo (The dark Tower series; the Crimson king is said sometimes to have a spider shape also, and the crimson kings son in the Dark Tower story has a spider-like shape also. I think its his Alternate Shape)
Return of the Flumph
09-20-07, 02:23 AM Meh...I don't know if its possible to stat that thing "correctly." Stephen King does not translate well into DnD.

You have my encouragement, though.
Rakmakallan
09-20-07, 02:44 AM Outsider is good, but the spider shape is not really in the kids imagination, I believe he is a Dandelo (The dark Tower series; the Crimson king is said sometimes to have a spider shape also, and the crimson kings son in the Dark Tower story has a spider-like shape also. I think its his Alternate Shape
Looks like I have quite some reading to do. I will check out the books you are mentioning.

Meh...I don't know if its possible to stat that thing "correctly." Stephen King does not translate well into DnD.

You have my encouragement, though.
I suppose this is true,as happens with many other novels.

I intend to use Pennywise as the BBEG in the next campaign I will be DMing.
What has been troubling though,is the CR. I was targeting a CR 16-18 by making It a multiple threat monster,but on second thoughts it might need more spell-like abilities and some immunities. I consider adding death,fear,energy drain and death immunities. Your thoughts?
Return of the Flumph
09-20-07, 02:52 AM Give it whatever abilities you can think of that aren't overpowering. It would be a good idea to make it do some things it couldn't in the book/movie, or your players will be able to predict every single move.
Rakmakallan
09-24-07, 08:37 AM Check this out. Really was an inspirationhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=qDFmNgmaEe0

Currently working on the archfiend version. I think It should be an Obyrith demon.
Return of the Flumph
09-24-07, 10:27 AM Check this out. Really was an inspiration.

0.0

F***ing win.

And yes, Obyrith sounds right. It could even be connected to Obox-ob or Pale Night.
Rakmakallan
09-24-07, 11:04 AM 0.0

F***ing win.

And yes, Obyrith sounds right. It could even be connected to Obox-ob or Pale Night.
Yep, one of the best BG videos I've ever found.
Now,concerning the relationship, Obox-ob is the prince of vermin. With the exception of the spider form I don't see any way he could be related to Pennywise. Pale Night is much better for this. Perhaps they were some kind of siblings formed out of the primordial Abyss or there might be a whole horde of terror Obyriths,either slain(the case of Veshvoriak) or hidden.

Again though, if we are making an archfiend here,which means(if we are talking about obyriths) a CR 22-28 creature,a fact that poses an immense IMHO problem: What kind of archfiend in its "sane" mind sends out its aspects just to scare or even kill children. That's why I had mentioned an abomination or deity with countless manifestations in an earlier post.
Return of the Flumph
09-24-07, 11:24 AM Again though, if we are making an archfiend here,which means(if we are talking about obyriths) a CR 22-28 creature,a fact that poses an immense IMHO problem: What kind of archfiend in its "sane" mind sends out its aspects just to scare or even kill children?

Sane? Since when has It had anything to do with sanity?

The demon is fraking crazy, and just wants to terrorize and murder children by the thousands. Obyriths can get away with being randomly and pointlessly destructive, because they are the EMBODIMENT of random and pointless destruction. Not to mention that It didn't just kill kids; as I recall, it inspired a great number of criminal and violent acts among the townsfolk, and caused some large disasters like the Kitchener Ironworks exploding.

Also, CR 22 is a bit lower than I was imagining. 28 sounds right for this (relatively minor) archfiend. Keep in mind that the stats in the Fiendish Codexes are for avatars of the archfiends, not the beasts themselves. True form>avatar>aspect.

Of course, if its avatar is all you want to stat up, that is perfectly understandable. Its avatar should be CR 19-21 or so. Aspects (minor Pennywise incarnations) I'm imagining at around CR 9-10. Whether the big spider is an avatar or the main body is up to you; in the former case, Pennywise is an aspect pure and simple. In the later case, there should be one "true" Pennywise with avatar stats and many weaker ones that are aspects.
Rakmakallan
09-25-07, 12:20 PM Sane? Since when has It had anything to do with sanity?

The demon is fraking crazy, and just wants to terrorize and murder children by the thousands. Obyriths can get away with being randomly and pointlessly destructive, because they are the EMBODIMENT of random and pointless destruction. Not to mention that It didn't just kill kids; as I recall, it inspired a great number of criminal and violent acts among the townsfolk, and caused some large disasters like the Kitchener Ironworks exploding.

Also, CR 22 is a bit lower than I was imagining. 28 sounds right for this (relatively minor) archfiend. Keep in mind that the stats in the Fiendish Codexes are for avatars of the archfiends, not the beasts themselves. True form>avatar>aspect.

Of course, if its avatar is all you want to stat up, that is perfectly understandable. Its avatar should be CR 19-21 or so. Aspects (minor Pennywise incarnations) I'm imagining at around CR 9-10. Whether the big spider is an avatar or the main body is up to you; in the former case, Pennywise is an aspect pure and simple. In the later case, there should be one "true" Pennywise with avatar stats and many weaker ones that are aspects.

Perhaps "sane" was the wrong expression. The demon might be a lunatic but, come on, you don't except a mighty obyrith to be the cackling madman sort of insane character. I had always thought chaotic evil villains to be either plotting and intelligent, yet unpredictable, as is the case of demons, or completely random and beyond mortal understanding(e.g. Far Realm entities, the King in Yellow, other Cthulu Mythos villains). Or I might have got this completely wrong. I believe that what has been quite confusing is that we have been playing for quite some time in a homebrew campaign world that cahanges radically some alignment definitions. I know I have to post this sometime.

It looks like,finally that we have a spider form obyrith(It)-and to be perfectly honest I will be aiming at a very high CR, around 34-,his little Pennywise avatar(CR 18-22) and a bunch of clown demons(CR 10-14). I also intend to make a clown prc based on Mr. Pennywise(wasn't this somewhere on the mature forums at a time?). The whole thing will be posted on the mature forums within the next month.
ROTF thanks for the help.

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Rakmakallan 09-19-07, 04:51 AM	Note: This is It the clown from Stephen King's novel. It is my first creature attempt and created as if here is but one It with mid to high level power, though I have been told to either give him Archfiend stature or lower its power and have a whole bunch of them out there. I hope you enjoy it. It unique medium outsider(evil,native) HD:13d8+52(109,13 HD) Initiative:+2 Speed:30' Armor class:30(10+3 Dex+5 Insight+12 Natural),Touch 13,Flat footed 22 Base attack/Grapple:+13/+20 Attack:Bite +16(3d6+3) Full attack:Bite +16(3d6+3) Space/Reach:5'/5' Special attacks:Worst Nightmare,Spell-like abilities,Improved grab, Blood balloon Special qualities:DR 15/good or child wielded weapon, SR 25, Vulnerability to child damage,Outsider traits,Frightful presence,Deathless horror, Enduring Fears,Telepathy 60', Resistance:all energy types 10 Saves:Fort +12,Ref +11,Will +13 Abilities:Str 17,Dex 16,Con 18,Int 20,Wis 21,Cha 30 Skills:Bluff +28,Concentration +20,Escape arist +19,Forgery +21, Gather Information +26,Hide +21,Intimidate +26,Listen +21, Move silently +21, Search +21,Sense motive +21,Spot +21,Spellcraft +21 Feats:Improved Natural attack(bite), Ability focus(worst nightmare), Persuasive,Stealthy,Improved Grapple(Bonus),Power attack Environment:Any Organization:Solitary Treasure:None Alignment:Neutral Evil Advancement:- Level adjustment:- The creature before you seems to have been spawned from the worst childhood memories. It resembles a white-skinned clown with baggy clothes,and orange hair on his head. It has a malevolent expression on its face and with an evil grin shows its pointed teeth. [I would appreciate it if none posted images of It. Secondly, many of its abilities are Ex instead of Su to reflect that its fear nature is not magical but totally natural] It is the symbol of children's phobias,especially that of growing up. It has roamed the multiverse for thousands of years scaring kids of all races and eventually eating them. Combat It despises contact with adults except for the case they escaped him when they were young. Though It is a capable melee combatant it prefers using its special attacks against adults saving its melee attacks for whwn it eats children.It's attacks are treted as evil aligned for the purpose of overcoming DR. Worst Nightmare(Ex):It can easily scare people of all ages. At will but no more than every 2d4 rounds it can scare a character with subconscious hallucinations. If the victim fails a Will save(DC 26) they are stunned for 1 round. Children take a -2 penalty to this roll. Once per day It can decide that the creature it scares must succeed at the save or die from fright.The Dc is Cha based. Spell-like abilities(Sp):At will:Silent image(21),Cause fear(21),Darkness,Scare(22),Blur,True Seeing 3/day:Fear(23),Dimension door,Confusion(23),Greater Invisibility,Phantasmal killer(23),Nightmare(24),Mirage arcana 1/day:Programmed image,Teleport,Plane shift 1/week:Symbol of Fear,Finger of Death,Weird(DC 29) Improved grab(Ex):Automatic bite damage each round.Grapple as free action without attack of opportunity if It hits with a bite attack Blood balloon(Su):3/day It can conjure a balloon as a standard action, Whenever it wishes the baloon explodes covering everyone in a 30' radius in blood. All such creatures must succeed at a DC 26 Fort save or become nauseated and panicked for d6 rounds. The DC is Cha based. Vulnerability to children(Ex): Children deal double damage to It Frightful presence(Ex): Will DC 26 negates Deathless Horror(Ex): If It is killed it simply respawns immediately somewhere on the Material Plane. Its soul cannot be trapped but it never again plagues the people who killed it(see Enduring Fears for exceptions). Enduring Fears(Ex):If a child somehow gets rid of It, it returns to plague it again once more during its adult life. When this occurs the adult suffers a -2 in attacks,saves and checks against It. NOTE: If a character saves against It's abilities 5 consecutive times, it leaves never plaguing his life again. Children get a +4 bonus in all saving throws against It. I will gladly answer any questions you have.
DebiHuman 09-19-07, 01:45 PM	Pennywise is just ONE of its incarnations. IT also had a spider form. How does it get a deflection bonus? From the SRD: "A deflection bonus affects Armor Class and is granted by a spell or magic effect that makes attacks veer off harmlessly. Deflection bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other deflection bonuses. A deflection bonus applies against touch attacks." I didn't see any special spells used to create the deflection bonus. I'd just give it +12 natural. Also from SRD: "A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide. Natural armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with armor bonuses) except other natural armor bonuses. Some magical effects (such as the barkskin spell) grant an enhancement bonus to the creature's existing natural armor bonus, which has the effect of increasing the natural armor's overall bonus to Armor Class. A natural armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks." You've left off the flat-footed and touch for AC. It's been so long since I've read the book that I don't remember all of IT's powers any more. True Seeing should really be a spell-like ability. Extraordinary abilities don't reflect whether or not something is a natural power or not, it just means that they are non-magical. Supernatural abilities are magical in nature. Debby
Rakmakallan 09-19-07, 02:06 PM	Pennywise is just ONE of its incarnations. IT also had a spider form. How does it get a deflection bonus? From the SRD: "A deflection bonus affects Armor Class and is granted by a spell or magic effect that makes attacks veer off harmlessly. Deflection bonuses stack with all other bonuses to AC except other deflection bonuses. A deflection bonus applies against touch attacks." I didn't see any special spells used to create the deflection bonus. I'd just give it +12 natural. Also from SRD: "A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide. Natural armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with armor bonuses) except other natural armor bonuses. Some magical effects (such as the barkskin spell) grant an enhancement bonus to the creature's existing natural armor bonus, which has the effect of increasing the natural armor's overall bonus to Armor Class. A natural armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks." You've left off the flat-footed and touch for AC. It's been so long since I've read the book that I don't remember all of IT's powers any more. True Seeing should really be a spell-like ability. Extraordinary abilities don't reflect whether or not something is a natural power or not, it just means that they are non-magical. Supernatural abilities are magical in nature. Debby 1)The deflection bonus is a common characteristic of Outsiders,thus I used it. It just does not seem logic for It to have a "tough hide". Still I fixed it. 2)Added flatfooted and touch AC. I don't have access to my books right now and might have miscalculated. 3)True seeing simply represents It's insight in phobias.If it can sense fear,then it has greater awareness ,too. Fixed 4)I know about the spider form and might add it in the near future but Ever since I watched the film, I have believed that it was not a natural form but a subconscious sighting of the kids. I'll see what I can do. You must also understand that I have only read minor parts of the book to aid me and only had complete access to the movie. Do you think that I should make It into an abomination and then use Pennywise and the spider as mere avatars? Thanks Debbie.
Return of the Flumph 09-19-07, 02:30 PM	I tried to do this a few years ago. Not sure what happened to it, though. If I were you, I would start by statting It's true form (collosal spider demon) as an archfiend or demigod, and then make Pennywise its avatar.
Rakmakallan 09-20-07, 02:12 AM	I tried to do this a few years ago. Not sure what happened to it, though. If I were you, I would start by statting It's true form (collosal spider demon) as an archfiend or demigod, and then make Pennywise its avatar. ROTF, I guess you are right. But why only archfiend or demideity. Since It is the sum of all phobias I thought a unique abomination or greater-deity stature creature would be better. I will try to stat it. At least are the mechanics and the flavor correct?
Lunas_Argent 09-20-07, 02:23 AM	Ever since I watched the film, I have believed that it was not a natural form but a subconscious sighting of the kids. Outsider is good, but the spider shape is not really in the kids imagination, I believe he is a Dandelo (The dark Tower series; the Crimson king is said sometimes to have a spider shape also, and the crimson kings son in the Dark Tower story has a spider-like shape also. I think its his Alternate Shape)
Return of the Flumph 09-20-07, 02:23 AM	Meh...I don't know if its possible to stat that thing "correctly." Stephen King does not translate well into DnD. You have my encouragement, though.
Rakmakallan 09-20-07, 02:44 AM	Outsider is good, but the spider shape is not really in the kids imagination, I believe he is a Dandelo (The dark Tower series; the Crimson king is said sometimes to have a spider shape also, and the crimson kings son in the Dark Tower story has a spider-like shape also. I think its his Alternate Shape Looks like I have quite some reading to do. I will check out the books you are mentioning. Meh...I don't know if its possible to stat that thing "correctly." Stephen King does not translate well into DnD. You have my encouragement, though. I suppose this is true,as happens with many other novels. I intend to use Pennywise as the BBEG in the next campaign I will be DMing. What has been troubling though,is the CR. I was targeting a CR 16-18 by making It a multiple threat monster,but on second thoughts it might need more spell-like abilities and some immunities. I consider adding death,fear,energy drain and death immunities. Your thoughts?
Return of the Flumph 09-20-07, 02:52 AM	Give it whatever abilities you can think of that aren't overpowering. It would be a good idea to make it do some things it couldn't in the book/movie, or your players will be able to predict every single move.
Rakmakallan 09-24-07, 08:37 AM	Check this out. Really was an inspirationhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=qDFmNgmaEe0 Currently working on the archfiend version. I think It should be an Obyrith demon.
Return of the Flumph 09-24-07, 10:27 AM	Check this out. Really was an inspiration. 0.0 F***ing win. And yes, Obyrith sounds right. It could even be connected to Obox-ob or Pale Night.
Rakmakallan 09-24-07, 11:04 AM	0.0 F***ing win. And yes, Obyrith sounds right. It could even be connected to Obox-ob or Pale Night. Yep, one of the best BG videos I've ever found. Now,concerning the relationship, Obox-ob is the prince of vermin. With the exception of the spider form I don't see any way he could be related to Pennywise. Pale Night is much better for this. Perhaps they were some kind of siblings formed out of the primordial Abyss or there might be a whole horde of terror Obyriths,either slain(the case of Veshvoriak) or hidden. Again though, if we are making an archfiend here,which means(if we are talking about obyriths) a CR 22-28 creature,a fact that poses an immense IMHO problem: What kind of archfiend in its "sane" mind sends out its aspects just to scare or even kill children. That's why I had mentioned an abomination or deity with countless manifestations in an earlier post.
Return of the Flumph 09-24-07, 11:24 AM	Again though, if we are making an archfiend here,which means(if we are talking about obyriths) a CR 22-28 creature,a fact that poses an immense IMHO problem: What kind of archfiend in its "sane" mind sends out its aspects just to scare or even kill children? Sane? Since when has It had anything to do with sanity? The demon is fraking crazy, and just wants to terrorize and murder children by the thousands. Obyriths can get away with being randomly and pointlessly destructive, because they are the EMBODIMENT of random and pointless destruction. Not to mention that It didn't just kill kids; as I recall, it inspired a great number of criminal and violent acts among the townsfolk, and caused some large disasters like the Kitchener Ironworks exploding. Also, CR 22 is a bit lower than I was imagining. 28 sounds right for this (relatively minor) archfiend. Keep in mind that the stats in the Fiendish Codexes are for avatars of the archfiends, not the beasts themselves. True form>avatar>aspect. Of course, if its avatar is all you want to stat up, that is perfectly understandable. Its avatar should be CR 19-21 or so. Aspects (minor Pennywise incarnations) I'm imagining at around CR 9-10. Whether the big spider is an avatar or the main body is up to you; in the former case, Pennywise is an aspect pure and simple. In the later case, there should be one "true" Pennywise with avatar stats and many weaker ones that are aspects.
Rakmakallan 09-25-07, 12:20 PM	Sane? Since when has It had anything to do with sanity? The demon is fraking crazy, and just wants to terrorize and murder children by the thousands. Obyriths can get away with being randomly and pointlessly destructive, because they are the EMBODIMENT of random and pointless destruction. Not to mention that It didn't just kill kids; as I recall, it inspired a great number of criminal and violent acts among the townsfolk, and caused some large disasters like the Kitchener Ironworks exploding. Also, CR 22 is a bit lower than I was imagining. 28 sounds right for this (relatively minor) archfiend. Keep in mind that the stats in the Fiendish Codexes are for avatars of the archfiends, not the beasts themselves. True form>avatar>aspect. Of course, if its avatar is all you want to stat up, that is perfectly understandable. Its avatar should be CR 19-21 or so. Aspects (minor Pennywise incarnations) I'm imagining at around CR 9-10. Whether the big spider is an avatar or the main body is up to you; in the former case, Pennywise is an aspect pure and simple. In the later case, there should be one "true" Pennywise with avatar stats and many weaker ones that are aspects. Perhaps "sane" was the wrong expression. The demon might be a lunatic but, come on, you don't except a mighty obyrith to be the cackling madman sort of insane character. I had always thought chaotic evil villains to be either plotting and intelligent, yet unpredictable, as is the case of demons, or completely random and beyond mortal understanding(e.g. Far Realm entities, the King in Yellow, other Cthulu Mythos villains). Or I might have got this completely wrong. I believe that what has been quite confusing is that we have been playing for quite some time in a homebrew campaign world that cahanges radically some alignment definitions. I know I have to post this sometime. It looks like,finally that we have a spider form obyrith(It)-and to be perfectly honest I will be aiming at a very high CR, around 34-,his little Pennywise avatar(CR 18-22) and a bunch of clown demons(CR 10-14). I also intend to make a clown prc based on Mr. Pennywise(wasn't this somewhere on the mature forums at a time?). The whole thing will be posted on the mature forums within the next month. ROTF thanks for the help.