Chokers and Super Natural Quickness [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chokers and Super Natural Quickness [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Travis_UI
11-30-03, 11:21 PM Chokers have the SU ability quickness, which allows them to take one additional standard or move action per round. The ability description never says that this ability doesn't stack with simliar affects, such as, for instance, the extra action granted by haste. How would you all rule? Would you say then that a choker can be effectively hasted by a spell and so get two extra attacks, one for haste and one for quickness? Or would you rule that even though the stacking isn't specifically addressed in the ability descripiton, common sense and tradtional stacking analysis prevail, making quickness + haste redundant?
Greyman
12-01-03, 08:10 AM I would think that you were playing by 3.0 rules since haste does not grant an extra action in 3.5, except that the Chocker did not have Quickness (Su) in 3.0, it had Haste (Su). However, the Choker's supernatural ability still works the same whatever the name. (Personally, I think that's an oversight, but anyway....)

Spells, or spell-like abilities, which produce similar effect do not stack. I'd extend this to supernatural and extraordinary abilities too, as it's consistant with the intent of the rules.

So, in 3.0, the haste spell and Chocker's Haste ability do not stack when they produce similar effects (an extra partial action), though a hasted chocker does benefit from the spell's other effects (the +4 haste bonus to, and the x1.5 enhancement bonus to Jump).

In 3.5, haste and Quickness stack completely, because they have completely different effects. The Chocker would get an extra standard or move action and it could either get an extra attack with the full attack action, or it could move at 40' (or climb at 20'). If it uses the extra move action to move, it uses the hasted speed. It also gains the +1 to attack rolls and +1 dodge bonus to AC
Bob83
01-12-04, 08:27 AM Is Super Natural Quickness a feat which a PC can choose? If so Which Book?
d_nychus
01-12-04, 08:35 AM Originally posted by Bob83
Is Super Natural Quickness a feat which a PC can choose? If so Which Book?

Sure. It's in the same book that gives offers the feat Dragon Breath, which gives you the same effect as a age catagory 12 dragon, and offers a feat which allows you to change shape just like a doppelganger.

Nah, all kidding aside, Quickness (Su) is an ability that belongs solely to the 3.5 Choker (at least as far as I know), so there is no way to gain it as a feat. Well, maybe some Epic feat.
Bob83
01-12-04, 09:03 AM Sorry I did not read to post properly I was looking for some way to enhance my Su's of my character and when I seen Su quickness I thought that it was a feat similar to the feat "quicken spell" but usable for supernatural abilitys. I did not realise that it actually meant haste as a Su.

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Travis_UI 11-30-03, 11:21 PM	Chokers have the SU ability quickness, which allows them to take one additional standard or move action per round. The ability description never says that this ability doesn't stack with simliar affects, such as, for instance, the extra action granted by haste. How would you all rule? Would you say then that a choker can be effectively hasted by a spell and so get two extra attacks, one for haste and one for quickness? Or would you rule that even though the stacking isn't specifically addressed in the ability descripiton, common sense and tradtional stacking analysis prevail, making quickness + haste redundant?
Greyman 12-01-03, 08:10 AM	I would think that you were playing by 3.0 rules since haste does not grant an extra action in 3.5, except that the Chocker did not have Quickness (Su) in 3.0, it had Haste (Su). However, the Choker's supernatural ability still works the same whatever the name. (Personally, I think that's an oversight, but anyway....) Spells, or spell-like abilities, which produce similar effect do not stack. I'd extend this to supernatural and extraordinary abilities too, as it's consistant with the intent of the rules. So, in 3.0, the haste spell and Chocker's Haste ability do not stack when they produce similar effects (an extra partial action), though a hasted chocker does benefit from the spell's other effects (the +4 haste bonus to, and the x1.5 enhancement bonus to Jump). In 3.5, haste and Quickness stack completely, because they have completely different effects. The Chocker would get an extra standard or move action and it could either get an extra attack with the full attack action, or it could move at 40' (or climb at 20'). If it uses the extra move action to move, it uses the hasted speed. It also gains the +1 to attack rolls and +1 dodge bonus to AC
Bob83 01-12-04, 08:27 AM	Is Super Natural Quickness a feat which a PC can choose? If so Which Book?
d_nychus 01-12-04, 08:35 AM	Originally posted by Bob83 Is Super Natural Quickness a feat which a PC can choose? If so Which Book? Sure. It's in the same book that gives offers the feat Dragon Breath, which gives you the same effect as a age catagory 12 dragon, and offers a feat which allows you to change shape just like a doppelganger. Nah, all kidding aside, Quickness (Su) is an ability that belongs solely to the 3.5 Choker (at least as far as I know), so there is no way to gain it as a feat. Well, maybe some Epic feat.
Bob83 01-12-04, 09:03 AM	Sorry I did not read to post properly I was looking for some way to enhance my Su's of my character and when I seen Su quickness I thought that it was a feat similar to the feat "quicken spell" but usable for supernatural abilitys. I did not realise that it actually meant haste as a Su.