Chokers and their LA? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chokers and their LA? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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zavin
12-12-05, 11:34 AM What is a Chokers LA and does it have any Hit Die for 3.5? Looked in the MM and couldn't find any answers.
Khalarak Ironclaw
12-12-05, 11:55 AM 3d8 HD, no LA. pg. 34 MM 3.5
Spike_Fightwicky
12-12-05, 02:17 PM If the monster has no modifier in the "Level Adjustment" field, it means that the monster is not typically supposed to be a PC for some reason (appropriateness and balance seem to be the culprits most of the time).

From the SRD:

Monsters suitable for play have a level adjustment given in their statistics.

Since the Choker doesn't have a given level adjustment, it's not recommended as a PC. The thing's stats and natural abilities should warrant high enough LA, especially the Quickness special quality.
Traevanon
12-12-05, 02:51 PM I put them at probably LA+4

LA +2 is a Drow... Chokers are clearly better than Drow
LA +6 is a War Troll... a Choker is clearly not as good as a War Troll

Ya +4 sounds right to me
Endarire
12-12-05, 02:56 PM According to this (http://www.webspawner.com/users/enbsoldarin/), PHB dwarves, with some adjucation, have higher LA than drow.

-EE
runestar
12-12-05, 10:16 PM I think it was calculated long ago that chokers have a LA of +6. Wartrolls have the same LA as their higher HD mitigates that LA to some extent. Due to the choker having a low number of racial HD, it will have a higher LA(having less HD to cancel this out). This does not mean it is equivalent to power to a wartroll, since a choker with class lvs might stand up to 1.

So there you go, 3HD + 6LA for an ECL of 9.
Wyrd Bearer
12-12-05, 11:24 PM Yes, the extra partial action a round gives the chokers an "Unplayable" status in my games, mostly because if I was playing a divine spellcasting character, I'd have no reason not to want to be a choker, other than the normal roleplaying problems of being an icky little creature that no sane bartender or innkeeper would give service to.

I'm fine with people shapechanging into one, because at that high of level multiple spells a round for a limited time isn't that big of a deal. However, a choker does have some nice abilities going for it that makes it a pain to balance at lower levels.

Str +6, Dex +4, Con +2, Int -6, Wis +2, Cha -4. +4 natural armour, small size bonuses and penalties (the penalties for less reach and grappling are negated by...) 10 ft. natural reach, +4 to grapple, 2 natural attacks, Improved Initiative as a bonus feat, darkvision, aberration type (immunity to several spells, some of which harmful), a natural climb speed and a bonus to climb checks. In addition to being able to double move and attack, move and double attack, move attack and cast a spell or move and cast 2 spells a round...

Yes, I'm going to agree that +6 is a fair and proper LA, perhaps even a deal considering what you get. The intelligence and charisma penalties make me cringe just looking at it, I know I'd never play one.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
zavin 12-12-05, 11:34 AM	What is a Chokers LA and does it have any Hit Die for 3.5? Looked in the MM and couldn't find any answers.
Khalarak Ironclaw 12-12-05, 11:55 AM	3d8 HD, no LA. pg. 34 MM 3.5
Spike_Fightwicky 12-12-05, 02:17 PM	If the monster has no modifier in the "Level Adjustment" field, it means that the monster is not typically supposed to be a PC for some reason (appropriateness and balance seem to be the culprits most of the time). From the SRD: Monsters suitable for play have a level adjustment given in their statistics. Since the Choker doesn't have a given level adjustment, it's not recommended as a PC. The thing's stats and natural abilities should warrant high enough LA, especially the Quickness special quality.
Traevanon 12-12-05, 02:51 PM	I put them at probably LA+4 LA +2 is a Drow... Chokers are clearly better than Drow LA +6 is a War Troll... a Choker is clearly not as good as a War Troll Ya +4 sounds right to me
Endarire 12-12-05, 02:56 PM	According to this (http://www.webspawner.com/users/enbsoldarin/), PHB dwarves, with some adjucation, have higher LA than drow. -EE
runestar 12-12-05, 10:16 PM	I think it was calculated long ago that chokers have a LA of +6. Wartrolls have the same LA as their higher HD mitigates that LA to some extent. Due to the choker having a low number of racial HD, it will have a higher LA(having less HD to cancel this out). This does not mean it is equivalent to power to a wartroll, since a choker with class lvs might stand up to 1. So there you go, 3HD + 6LA for an ECL of 9.
Wyrd Bearer 12-12-05, 11:24 PM	Yes, the extra partial action a round gives the chokers an "Unplayable" status in my games, mostly because if I was playing a divine spellcasting character, I'd have no reason not to want to be a choker, other than the normal roleplaying problems of being an icky little creature that no sane bartender or innkeeper would give service to. I'm fine with people shapechanging into one, because at that high of level multiple spells a round for a limited time isn't that big of a deal. However, a choker does have some nice abilities going for it that makes it a pain to balance at lower levels. Str +6, Dex +4, Con +2, Int -6, Wis +2, Cha -4. +4 natural armour, small size bonuses and penalties (the penalties for less reach and grappling are negated by...) 10 ft. natural reach, +4 to grapple, 2 natural attacks, Improved Initiative as a bonus feat, darkvision, aberration type (immunity to several spells, some of which harmful), a natural climb speed and a bonus to climb checks. In addition to being able to double move and attack, move and double attack, move attack and cast a spell or move and cast 2 spells a round... Yes, I'm going to agree that +6 is a fair and proper LA, perhaps even a deal considering what you get. The intelligence and charisma penalties make me cringe just looking at it, I know I'd never play one.