Cold and Fire Subtypes [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cold and Fire Subtypes [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
GabrielSolemon
01-25-04, 06:56 PM Is it possible for one creature to have both a fire and cold subtype? The reason I am asking is because the Monster of Legend template in the MMII allows you to give the subject creature either of those subtypes. So conceivably if you took a frost giant and made him a Monster of Legend you could give him the fire subtype and he would have immunity to fire and cold. IS THIS POSSIBLE???

Thanks for the help
Dr_Draco
01-25-04, 07:54 PM I would say the two abilities cancel eachother out. Remember even though Cold subtype = immune to cold and Fire subtype = immune to fire, Cold also = double damage from fire, and Fire also = double damage from cold.

So if they had both templates, the subtypes would cancel out and you'd have a creature that is treated as having neither subtype.

That's how'd I'd DM it at least. Don't know anything "official."

http://www.geocities.com/flammabledragon/psion.TXT Dr. D http://www.geocities.com/flammabledragon/monk.TXT
Lord Tarran
01-25-04, 07:55 PM Actually, I think that the creature would recieve immunity from both.
Edymnion
01-25-04, 08:42 PM I rule that they cancel out, but thats me.
Total houserule, no valid support from the books what-so-ever that I know of.
the_heart
01-26-04, 04:32 AM i am not aware of any official ruling, either.

but for what it's worth, i think, if it were me, i would be reluctant to put two opposing subtypes on a creature. and if i did, IMO adding one would over-ride the existing subtype. so, using your example, you'd end up with a frost giant with fire immunity and cold vulnerability.
Boondoggle
01-26-04, 06:20 AM There has been no offical errata or FAQ otherwise, so they do stack, technically. However, this is a case where common sense has to come into play.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
GabrielSolemon 01-25-04, 06:56 PM	Is it possible for one creature to have both a fire and cold subtype? The reason I am asking is because the Monster of Legend template in the MMII allows you to give the subject creature either of those subtypes. So conceivably if you took a frost giant and made him a Monster of Legend you could give him the fire subtype and he would have immunity to fire and cold. IS THIS POSSIBLE??? Thanks for the help
Dr_Draco 01-25-04, 07:54 PM	I would say the two abilities cancel eachother out. Remember even though Cold subtype = immune to cold and Fire subtype = immune to fire, Cold also = double damage from fire, and Fire also = double damage from cold. So if they had both templates, the subtypes would cancel out and you'd have a creature that is treated as having neither subtype. That's how'd I'd DM it at least. Don't know anything "official." http://www.geocities.com/flammabledragon/psion.TXT Dr. D http://www.geocities.com/flammabledragon/monk.TXT
Lord Tarran 01-25-04, 07:55 PM	Actually, I think that the creature would recieve immunity from both.
Edymnion 01-25-04, 08:42 PM	I rule that they cancel out, but thats me. Total houserule, no valid support from the books what-so-ever that I know of.
the_heart 01-26-04, 04:32 AM	i am not aware of any official ruling, either. but for what it's worth, i think, if it were me, i would be reluctant to put two opposing subtypes on a creature. and if i did, IMO adding one would over-ride the existing subtype. so, using your example, you'd end up with a frost giant with fire immunity and cold vulnerability.
Boondoggle 01-26-04, 06:20 AM	There has been no offical errata or FAQ otherwise, so they do stack, technically. However, this is a case where common sense has to come into play.