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Fencerboy
02-08-07, 10:12 PM Confusing Clump
Tiny Plant
Hit Dice: ½ d8 (5 hp)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 20 ft
Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-12
Armor Class: 17 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +1 Natural) Flat Footed 13, Touch 16
Attack: Bite -2 melee
Full Attack: Bite -2 (1d4-5)
Space/Reach: 2 ½ /0ft.
Special Attacks: Spell-like Abilities
Special Qualities: Tremorsense
Saves: Fort +0, Ref +4, Will +1
Abilities: Str 3, Dex 19, Con 6, Int 3, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Hide +16*, Move Silently +8, Spot +5*
Feats: Toughness

Climate/Terrain: Temperate Plains
Organization: Solitary, Pair or Patch (10-20)
Challenge Rating:
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always Chaotic Neutral
Advancement: 1-4 HD (Tiny)

Description: A Confusing Clump looks like a toad, but with four eyes and grass, reeds or a small shrub growing on its back. It feeds on insects and other diminutive creatures that can be found in its native grasslands.
Combat: A Confusing Clump generally does not attack creatures of tiny size or larger, but any who enter its space will be subjected to its spell-like abilities.
Spell-like Abilities (Su): A Confusing Clump can cast all of the following spells as a 10th level sorcerer: Lesser Confusion (unlimited), Confusion (5/day) Mind Fog (1/day).
Tremorsense (Ex): A Confusing Clump can detect anything that is in contact of the ground within 60 feet.
Skills: A Confusing Clump has a +8 racial bonus on Hide checks made in a grassy area and a +4 racial bonus on Spot checks.

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First, I want some help setting a CR for this baby. It doesn't seem lethal once you know it's there, it's a really easy kill.
Second I really need a better name, this one is kind of lame.
Thoughts please.
DebiHuman
02-09-07, 10:29 AM I liked it up until you gave it spell-like abilities, which at that level seem a little over-powering for a 1/2 HD creature.

Definitely having a spell-like ability 5/day is unusual (generally it is 3/day). I would have lowered the spell caster level (10th level is pretty high) and dropped the Mind Fog altogether.

I also don't quite understand the Dex of this creature. A normal toad has a dex of 12 but it has a hide of +21. Did you make this from a template?

There are more plant traits that you should take into consideration:

* Immunity to all mind-affecting spells or abilities (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).
* Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, polymorph, and stunning.
* Plants breathe and eat, but do not sleep.

This critter is a lot tougher than you think. BTW if you are going to put the "*" in the skills, then you should also put the "*" in the reference in the skill section.

Debby
Fencerboy
02-09-07, 06:52 PM My original thought for this creature was that you become disoriented when you come in contact with it, mostly by stepping on it. I simply wasn't sure how to give it the abilities without making them spell-like abilities. I will gladly change it if someone tells me of a better option.
DebiHuman
02-10-07, 02:11 PM <<My original thought for this creature was that you become disoriented when you come in contact with it, mostly by stepping on it. I simply wasn't sure how to give it the abilities without making them spell-like abilities. I will gladly change it if someone tells me of a better option.>>

Then just give spell-like ability confusion but make sure that it has to be touched for the ability to work. It doesn't need to be at will (I mean how often is this thing really going to need to confuse creatures around it?) so 3 times per day should be enough.

Go with your initial instincts -- you were better off before you added the overpowering abilities.

I keep picturing this thing as chia pet toad which is the point, I think :)

Debby
Ithshunter
02-10-07, 05:42 PM Spiderwick?If it is, i'm really scared.
Fencerboy
02-10-07, 08:15 PM Actually, I was working on the idea before someone told me I was really close to Spiderwick. I looked at it and took the idea, chewed it up and spat it out in my twisted version.
BTW, I don't read spiderwick, I just have the field guide because I try to collect as many different books on magical stuff like that.

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Fencerboy 02-08-07, 10:12 PM	Confusing Clump Tiny Plant Hit Dice: ½ d8 (5 hp) Initiative: +4 Speed: 20 ft Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-12 Armor Class: 17 (+2 Size, +4 Dex, +1 Natural) Flat Footed 13, Touch 16 Attack: Bite -2 melee Full Attack: Bite -2 (1d4-5) Space/Reach: 2 ½ /0ft. Special Attacks: Spell-like Abilities Special Qualities: Tremorsense Saves: Fort +0, Ref +4, Will +1 Abilities: Str 3, Dex 19, Con 6, Int 3, Wis 12, Cha 10 Skills: Hide +16, Move Silently +8, Spot +5 Feats: Toughness Climate/Terrain: Temperate Plains Organization: Solitary, Pair or Patch (10-20) Challenge Rating: Treasure: None Alignment: Always Chaotic Neutral Advancement: 1-4 HD (Tiny) Description: A Confusing Clump looks like a toad, but with four eyes and grass, reeds or a small shrub growing on its back. It feeds on insects and other diminutive creatures that can be found in its native grasslands. Combat: A Confusing Clump generally does not attack creatures of tiny size or larger, but any who enter its space will be subjected to its spell-like abilities. Spell-like Abilities (Su): A Confusing Clump can cast all of the following spells as a 10th level sorcerer: Lesser Confusion (unlimited), Confusion (5/day) Mind Fog (1/day). Tremorsense (Ex): A Confusing Clump can detect anything that is in contact of the ground within 60 feet. Skills: A Confusing Clump has a +8 racial bonus on Hide checks made in a grassy area and a +4 racial bonus on Spot checks. -------------------------------- First, I want some help setting a CR for this baby. It doesn't seem lethal once you know it's there, it's a really easy kill. Second I really need a better name, this one is kind of lame. Thoughts please.
DebiHuman 02-09-07, 10:29 AM	I liked it up until you gave it spell-like abilities, which at that level seem a little over-powering for a 1/2 HD creature. Definitely having a spell-like ability 5/day is unusual (generally it is 3/day). I would have lowered the spell caster level (10th level is pretty high) and dropped the Mind Fog altogether. I also don't quite understand the Dex of this creature. A normal toad has a dex of 12 but it has a hide of +21. Did you make this from a template? There are more plant traits that you should take into consideration: * Immunity to all mind-affecting spells or abilities (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects). * Immunity to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, polymorph, and stunning. * Plants breathe and eat, but do not sleep. This critter is a lot tougher than you think. BTW if you are going to put the "" in the skills, then you should also put the "" in the reference in the skill section. Debby
Fencerboy 02-09-07, 06:52 PM	My original thought for this creature was that you become disoriented when you come in contact with it, mostly by stepping on it. I simply wasn't sure how to give it the abilities without making them spell-like abilities. I will gladly change it if someone tells me of a better option.
DebiHuman 02-10-07, 02:11 PM	<<My original thought for this creature was that you become disoriented when you come in contact with it, mostly by stepping on it. I simply wasn't sure how to give it the abilities without making them spell-like abilities. I will gladly change it if someone tells me of a better option.>> Then just give spell-like ability confusion but make sure that it has to be touched for the ability to work. It doesn't need to be at will (I mean how often is this thing really going to need to confuse creatures around it?) so 3 times per day should be enough. Go with your initial instincts -- you were better off before you added the overpowering abilities. I keep picturing this thing as chia pet toad which is the point, I think :) Debby
Ithshunter 02-10-07, 05:42 PM	Spiderwick?If it is, i'm really scared.
Fencerboy 02-10-07, 08:15 PM	Actually, I was working on the idea before someone told me I was really close to Spiderwick. I looked at it and took the idea, chewed it up and spat it out in my twisted version. BTW, I don't read spiderwick, I just have the field guide because I try to collect as many different books on magical stuff like that.