CR 64 White Dragon stronger then 66 Prismatic? [Archive] - Wizards Community

CR 64 White Dragon stronger then 66 Prismatic? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ShadowGlade
07-02-06, 10:38 PM I think either someone at wizards seriously messed up when they made Prismatics or i was insanely tired when i figured this out (Though i rechecked my work after a good nights sleep so i think it's correct) but advanceing a White Great Wyrm to CR 64 (2 CRs just under a Great Wyrm Prismatic) makes it quite a bit more powerful then the Prismatic... (Useing the Rules in the Epic Level Handbook)

CR 64 White Dragon
Age Category Great Wyrm (12) +22 Age Categorys (Epic)
Hit Dice: 102d12
Hit Points: 102d12 (+3,060)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 60 ft., burrow 30 ft ., fly 250 ft., Swim 60 ft
Armor Class: 93 (101 Natural, -8 Size)
Base Attack/Grapple:
Attacks: Bite +129 (8d6+35), 2 Claws +124 (4d8+17), 2 Wings +124 (4d6_17),
1 Tail Slap +125 (4d6+42)
Full Attack:
Special Qualitys: Cold Immunity, Fire Vulnerability, Spell Resistance 76, Breath Weapon (DC: 91 56d6 Cold (Or what ever else using various dragon feats) (See Monster Manual 3.5 Page.77-78 for the rest...)

Saves: Fort - +82 Ref - +52 Will - +67
Abilitys: Str – 81, Dex – 10, Con – 71, Int – 40, Wis – 41, Cha – 40

Spells: Caster Level - 57
12 Bonus Improved spell Capacity feats just from the Caster Level alone...

(This is what my calcs come out to... was wondering if there right... and if there was a updated Prismatic and Force Dragons made yet?...)

:thinks:
runestar
07-03-06, 12:48 AM The white dragons's final cr with 22 additional age categories would be cr65, but it does seem statistically superior. My guess is that no dragon would even live long enough to reach such an apex, meaning only epic dragons can normally achieve that sort of power.
Ogre4Hire
07-03-06, 01:13 AM Honestly, the further you pass a CR 20, the less accurate Challenge Rating becomes, simply because the differences in power become less and less important.
pileobone
07-03-06, 02:07 AM :eek:
I am entirely blown away by even the prospect of attempting to gauge what makes up a 2 CR difference at CR 60+. Where I to be commanded to embark on such a mission, I would have two possible visual responses: :bigeyes: or :tantrum:

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ShadowGlade 07-02-06, 10:38 PM	I think either someone at wizards seriously messed up when they made Prismatics or i was insanely tired when i figured this out (Though i rechecked my work after a good nights sleep so i think it's correct) but advanceing a White Great Wyrm to CR 64 (2 CRs just under a Great Wyrm Prismatic) makes it quite a bit more powerful then the Prismatic... (Useing the Rules in the Epic Level Handbook) CR 64 White Dragon Age Category Great Wyrm (12) +22 Age Categorys (Epic) Hit Dice: 102d12 Hit Points: 102d12 (+3,060) Initiative: +0 Speed: 60 ft., burrow 30 ft ., fly 250 ft., Swim 60 ft Armor Class: 93 (101 Natural, -8 Size) Base Attack/Grapple: Attacks: Bite +129 (8d6+35), 2 Claws +124 (4d8+17), 2 Wings +124 (4d6_17), 1 Tail Slap +125 (4d6+42) Full Attack: Special Qualitys: Cold Immunity, Fire Vulnerability, Spell Resistance 76, Breath Weapon (DC: 91 56d6 Cold (Or what ever else using various dragon feats) (See Monster Manual 3.5 Page.77-78 for the rest...) Saves: Fort - +82 Ref - +52 Will - +67 Abilitys: Str – 81, Dex – 10, Con – 71, Int – 40, Wis – 41, Cha – 40 Spells: Caster Level - 57 12 Bonus Improved spell Capacity feats just from the Caster Level alone... (This is what my calcs come out to... was wondering if there right... and if there was a updated Prismatic and Force Dragons made yet?...) :thinks:
runestar 07-03-06, 12:48 AM	The white dragons's final cr with 22 additional age categories would be cr65, but it does seem statistically superior. My guess is that no dragon would even live long enough to reach such an apex, meaning only epic dragons can normally achieve that sort of power.
Ogre4Hire 07-03-06, 01:13 AM	Honestly, the further you pass a CR 20, the less accurate Challenge Rating becomes, simply because the differences in power become less and less important.
pileobone 07-03-06, 02:07 AM	:eek: I am entirely blown away by even the prospect of attempting to gauge what makes up a 2 CR difference at CR 60+. Where I to be commanded to embark on such a mission, I would have two possible visual responses: :bigeyes: or :tantrum: