Post/Author/DateTime	Post
HoffmanPlatoon 11-20-05, 07:07 AM	What CR would a mind flayer without psionics and without mind blast have?
boozerker 11-20-05, 03:36 PM	This seems too obvious so it might not be much help, but just figure out how much CR psionics and mind blast would add to any creature, and subtract that amount from your Mind Flayer. I don't know much about monster creation yet, so it's just a guess. Good luck.
I Am Famine 11-20-05, 04:22 PM	My personal bet is about 5-6. They are lot more powerful than the average PHB race but the removal of its psionic and mind blasting powers gets rid of one of their most primary attacks and defences, though this my judgement after looking at the 3.0 version.
savant_warlord13 11-20-05, 05:06 PM	Just out of curiousity, why?
runestar 11-20-05, 09:26 PM	If you took away everything, you theoratically have the equivalent of a expert8, but since wotc is notorious for undeclaring monster crs, I will place it at cr5, seeing how it basically has next to zilch offensive capability. ;)
HoffmanPlatoon 11-21-05, 11:56 AM	Figured somewhere around CR 5. Dunno if a mind flayer could hold its own without mind blast and levitate, though. Planning on introducing demented fiendish mind flayers who have consumed too many evil brains and lost their minds, and thus, their psionic abilities. In a desert. With hydration suits. :P
I Am Famine 11-21-05, 01:20 PM	Figured somewhere around CR 5. Dunno if a mind flayer could hold its own without mind blast and levitate, though. Planning on introducing demented fiendish mind flayers who have consumed too many evil brains and lost their minds, and thus, their psionic abilities. In a desert. With hydration suits. :P I like the idea but I really Mind Flayers after all that. How about creating a new race with its own distinct culture based on the stats. Theres no reason they couldn't be related to Mind Flayers... :D