Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arawn 06-10-07, 10:24 AM	I went through Dragons of Faerun and found a mature adult steel dragon with CR of 11. I thought it strange because it had the spellcasting abilty of a sorcerer of level 13. So I checked out the MA Steel dragon further , she has HD 22D12+88, AC 30, SR28, DR/10, Breath weapon 7D6, Frightful presence Spelllike abilities, Flight, polymorph, extremely high stats, attack bonus, damage, natural attacks etc How could a mature adult steel dragon have the same challenge rating as a sorcerer 11? The lack of familiar?
Derren S. 06-10-07, 11:31 AM	I always thought that the CR of Steel Dragons is a mistake. A dragon with caster level 21 a CR 18 enemy? There are two age categories which have the same CR. I think that the one who typed the final stats of teh dragon from the design document made a mistake here and slipped by one line.
Gnarl 06-10-07, 03:09 PM	How could a mature adult steel dragon have the same challenge rating as a sorcerer 11? The lack of familiar? Nearly all monsters are stronger than an NPC of the same CR. NPC make poor opponents. On the other hand, the Steel Dragon CR are messed up.
Arawn 06-10-07, 04:56 PM	Well OK I just thought it was such a blatant discrepancy that I can't understand the design. If you give a creature 13th level casting ability you have to to scale back something else to lower the CR. With all the other abilties I would think the MA Steel dragon should be at least CR 15, if the sorcerer is the base line.
RavinRay 06-10-07, 07:17 PM	There are two age categories which have the same CR. I think that the one who typed the final stats of teh dragon from the design document made a mistake here and slipped by one line. This anomaly is made more curious is that the Greyhawk dragon (the original name of the steel dragon as explained by Sean K. Reynolds, the author of that article and the original Monster Mayhem entry for the steel dragon), as presented in Dragon magazine's Creature Catalog has a consistent CR progression; but in Dragons of Faerūn, the steel dragon CR is the same as that for its Monster Mayhem entry.
runestar 06-10-07, 11:37 PM	Wonky huh? Its cr is even weaker than a white dragon of the same age category...:P
InsanePsychoRabbit 06-11-07, 12:17 PM	This anomaly is made more curious is that the Greyhawk dragon (the original name of the steel dragon as explained by Sean K. Reynolds, the author of that article and the original Monster Mayhem entry for the steel dragon), as presented in Dragon magazine's Creature Catalog has a consistent CR progression; but in Dragons of Faerūn, the steel dragon CR is the same as that for its Monster Mayhem entry. I knew they corrected the CRs in the published version in Dragon, but they chose to use the Monster Mayhem's CRs in the published book even though they were flagrantly wrong?! Wizards, I'm ashamed of you. You're even worse at editing your own material than I thought, and at that I hadn't thought highly of you. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: For the record, to obtain the correct CRs if you don't have Dragon issue 339, take the Fang Dragon (another Faerūnian dragon, also in the Draconomicon) and add +2 at each age category (or +3 for a mature adult). Or, you could check the Crystal Keep link in my sig, because they have the correct CRs as well.