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Wotc_Mark 09-30-05, 04:24 PM	Creature Competition: Battle Royal The End is Near (Week 13) Tiamat: The battle thus far has been fierce with both competitors getting in their fair share of offense but Taibo seems to be gaining the upper hand. And good news folks, ARDy has returned and it seems he as a souvenir for me. ARDy: In my quest to find the real Harold I found a broken lute and some drag marks leading out of the arena, however, I was unable to locate the real Harold. We may never know what happened to the poor fellow. And I see a competitor was eliminated in my absence, the action seems to be really heating up now. Tiamat: The creature competition commissioners asked me to let everyone know that our next competition will be starting soon. And this time it will be Dragons! ARDy: That’s right Tiamat, starting next week, on our message boards; we will be taking suggestions for the competitors. So if you want to get a leg up, pick a type of dragon, come up with one or two paragraphs describing that dragon, and give your dragon a creative name. We will be including our favorites in the competition... And don't forget to join us next week when we crown a champion. ====================================== Titan 54 ... Where Are You? (Week 12) Tiamat: Hi folks, ARDy is off looking for the "real" Harold so I told the arena commissioners that I would love to fill in for him till he returns. What were they going to say? NO? To be honest, I didn’t see much of how Titan 54 was defeated, however when he hit the arena floor I could swear it shook a few of my teeth loose. As for that little filcher fellow, he pops in and out so often he is just too darn hard to keep track of. Varuna has picked up a piece of the titan and seems to be carefully looking for Taibo. So now we are down to just two competitors! Taibo vs Varuna, and because this is such a big battle we are going to let voting continue for the next two weeks. Hopefully ARDy will return with a report on Harold. Perhaps I will even stick around to see who wins. ====================================== Emptied Chalice (Week 11) ARDy: The good fight hard for a just cause, but they do not always win. Such was the case this week, as Sir Zeev could not survive another round. He did his best, battling Titan 54 to a near standstill -- and raising questions as to whether this massive machine of war, so dominant in the early rounds, has sustained too much damage to win. Certainly Taibo is relatively fresh, and as for Varuna... well, the undead need no rest. Now it comes down to the final three! With the holidays upon us, we may well hold an extra week to vote for your favorite. Myself, I'll be off searching for the "real" Harold. After all, the Spellweaver must have stashed his corpse somewhere... ====================================== Requiem for a Bard (Week 10) ARDy: Folks, at long last the "mighty" Harold has been defeated. We can only express our relief -- and marvel at how Taibo, the Ethereal Filcher Monk continues to dominate against a very exclusive club of competitors. Just four remain! Taibo, the Aasimar, the Minotaur, and the early champion, Titan 54: the Warforged Titan! Meanwhile, somewhere a fellow bard composes a requiem, dedicated to Harold. ====================================== Brain in a Dustbin (Week 9) ARDy: Taibo's dominance continues! Although the remaining contenders ganged against him, the Filcher's ability to escape into the Ethereal Plane saved him time and again. Stepping back out, Taibo made short work of the Dark Stalker Soulknife. And with fists to spare, he started attacking both the Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar and the Minotaur of Legend! In the end, the Iron Golem collapsed a moment before the Minotaur! Two combatants leave this week, and no more wait to take their place! We are down to the final five! ====================================== Complete Entropy (Week 8) ARDy: This week, no one could stand against Taibo, the Ethereal Filcher Monk! Not the Entropic Reaper, not even Harold's protégée, the Brain in a Jar! Taibo flitted in and out of the Ethereal Plane, dealing damage to them all! Harold: If my Brain in a Jar can't overcome Taibo... perhaps it's up to me. The image of Harold the Human Bard transforms into that of a grotesque, six-armed spellcaster, carrying a glowing chromatic disk -- a Spell Weaver! ARDy: What's this? Harold's been in disguise this entire time? I can't believe it -- and now he's making his way to the arena to take part in the competition! The Spell Weaver enters, casting a volley of spells to clear his path. ARDy: I've just received word from the Creature Competition commissioners... the Spell Weaver will be allowed to compete -- but next week, two creatures will be eliminated! ====================================== Warlock Out (Week 7) ARDy: She's no Eludecia. Laenya, the Coure Warlock has been the first eliminated from our final eight competitors! A charming smile (and eldritch blasts) proved no match for this arena. Last week, Taibo the Ethereal Filcher Monk entered. This week, his four flying fists of fury took him to the top the standing! Can his assaults finally wear down the formerly unstoppable Warforged Titan? Harold: He would make an excellent bard as well, that Taibo -- with four arms to duel-wield instruments. ====================================== Fiendish Failure (Week 6) ARDy: No sooner did they enter, then the nycaloth and fiendish intellect devourer set upon each other. Truly, there is no honor among thieves, or peace among the wicked. (Or, for that matter, talent among certain bards.) Last week, these two entered the arena. This week, the same two are dragged out, broken and defeated! And our last competitor has entered -- Taibo, the Ethereal Filcher Monk! Harold: Last? Possibly. Or possibly I'll have the prove the mettle of the bards... ARDy: Not likely! And as always to our competitors: good luck. And good healing. ====================================== Assassinated (Week 5) ARDy: The pan flute proved of little use in combat (remember that, bard!), as the satyr assassin was dragged from the shadows and eliminated. Meanwhile, the brutes of the arena continued to dominate, with the warforged titan, minotaur of legend, and iron golem-riding brain trading crushing blows against one another. This week, by decree of the arena comissioner, not one, but two new competitors have entered the arena! A nycaloth and equally fiendish intellect devourer! Which means, next week will see not one, but two competitors leave! Harold: Don't belittle the power of music, dragon! And never the power of bardic music! ====================================== No Heads Left (Week 4) ARDy: Twelve heads weren’t enough for the hydra – not against the brutal onslaught of the minotaur of legend. At first, the minotaur charged straight for the warforged titan, looking to knock off the current king of the mountain. Merely a feint, the minotaur turned its attention to the hydra, taking care of its remaining heads. When it came time for the hydra’s replacement to enter the arena, music burst from behind the next opening gate. And who should appear, but Harold the Mighty leading the way – not as competitor, but as entourage. The braggart bard has apparently recovered from his backstage beatings, and returned with a surrogate competitor: a brain in jar, using an iron golem for a body. Harold: Perhaps the only mind greater than my own just entered the arena! Not even the warforged titan can stand its ground against it! ====================================== Inevitable Defeat (Week 3) ARDy: Spells and chains couldn't save the zelekhut this week (apparently, true mastery of the spiked chains is reserved by the kytons). The minotaur of legend, immediately upon entering the arena, simply tore the zelekhut apart. Can the next competitor to enter showcase the same brute strength? Not likely... This week, Laenya, the Coure Warlock fluttered into the arena. Can her sly charms and warlock's ways overcome the mighty? We shall soon see! Oddly enough, Harold the Mighty seems to have disappeared. Too much a braggart to put his might to the test? Ambushed by opponents backstage? No matter -- next week, a mystery competitor will be brought in to take Harold's place! ====================================== Two Fall in Week 2! (Week 2) ARDy: Fitting that the second week of battle saw not one, but two competitors defeated in the arena! After suffering severe wounds the first week, the vrock ranger thought to escape to the air – only to be snatched by the hydra and torn apart by its multiple heads. And once the juggernaut entered, the remaining competitors saw it as a true threat. The inevitable, the aasimar, and even the satyr assassin banded together against the rolling menace, and brought down the virtually unstoppable war machine. Two fall, and two enter: this week, it’s the mummified minotaur of legend and the entropic reaper! We looked for Harold the Mighty to join the fight, but the braggart could not be found… Cast your vote for who you want to see win the battle, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. ====================================== The Battle Continues (Week 1) ARDy: After the opening week of battle, “Gelatinous Man,” the Human Oozemaster, has been the first competitor to fall. Little more than a revolting puddle, “Gelatinous Man” managed to lurk unnoticed along the corners of the arena – until the hydra accidentally stumbled upon him, viciously attacking this stinging blob until mere splattered patches remained. With the first to fall, the next competitor has been allowed to enter. Another massive gate creaked open – and in rolled the mighty juggernaut, heading straight for Titan 54… ====================================== And So....The Battle Begins ARDy: At the stroke of midnight (eastern time), eight gates creaked open, admitting the first combatants into our Battle Royal arena! Titan 54 pounded up a cloud of dust during his long, slow march to the very center, in challenge to anyone daring take on this great war machine. The vrock ranger went straight to the air, waiting to swoop down upon its first target. Meanwhile, Rahndis and Tallis have each taken to the shadows along the edge... Cast your vote for who you want to see win the battle, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. And to our competitors: good luck. And good healing. ====================================== Introduction This summer, we introduced the D&D Creature Competition: Head-to-Head (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050510a). In that competition (won by the lovely Succubus Paladin), we asked folks here at Wizards of the Coast to nominate their preferred candidates. This time, we wanted to try something a little different. In our effort to better involve the player community with the D&D website, we asked (via this message board thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=7114672#post7114672)) for you to nominate candidates for our next creature competition. You have (these players are indicated next to the creature they nominated), and we've selected sixteen of these brutes to duke it out... under a slightly different format. This time, we'll start with eight creatures in the proverbial gladiator pit, and ask you to vote for your favorite. Each week thereafter, the bottom vote-getter leaves -- and, so long as any remain, a new creature will enter to take its place. Every week we'll present the next vote, until it all boils down to your final winner! What criteria should you use to vote? That's entirely up to you. That said, we asked for creatures within a fairly narrow Challenge Rating, so that those who prefer to make your decision based on who would win an actual fight can do so. And of course, you can argue for how they would win the fight in this thread. THE BATTLE BEGINS TUESDAY! (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050930a) The Competitors Spell Weaver (Mithral Icesilver) Enigmatic to the extreme, the spell weaver is also master of simultaneous spellcasting. So far, it's used its spells to conceal its identity and gain access to the arena -- can it overcome melee with magic? Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar (Muaythaidaddy) No mere brain content within its jar -- this one's fully on the loose, having constructed an iron golem body to move about the world. Inevitable: Zelekhut (Talislan) There's no escaping justice -- not when it's a zelekhut sent to hunt down those attempt to avoid it. Hold person/hold monster allows the zelekhut to keep its targets in place, then dispatching them with its spiked chains. Ethereal Filcher Monk (Slagger the Chuul) Normally a spectacular pickpocket, this filcher has instead taken on an ascetic lifestyle; it's secluded lair now serves as its place of meditation. Plus, four fists of fury and the ability to duck in and out of the Ethereal Plane make for one tough melee artist. "Sir Zeev" Aasimar Knight of the Chalice (Zevox) "Graced with a touch of the holy," this aasimar has augmented his paladin levels by becoming a Knight of the Chalice -- a truly demon-hating, fiend-slaying crusader. "Titan 54" Warforged Titan (Ogre4Hire) The warforged titan series may barely be sentient, but this one's received enough instruction during the Last War to make it an unparalleled combat engine. "Laenya" Eladrin: Coure Warlock (Kobold Avenger) Smallest of the eladrin celestials, Laenya calls upon the powers of the fey, which she watches over as their self-appointed guardian. Her childish demeanor simply hides the power she can unleash upon her foes. "Tallis" Satyr Assassin (Talislan) Most satyrs prefer to lull travelers asleep with their pipes, in order to steal their valuables (or more comely members of their traveling party). This satyr takes more costly vengeance upon anyone who would mistreat his forest home. Vrock Ranger (Prak, the Mad) A "misdemonthropic" deserter from the Blood Wars, this vrock seeks a new powerbase to exert its dominance over other demons. As a ranger, it's chosen evil outsiders to be its favored enemy, hunting down any opposition. "Rhandis" Dark Stalker Soulknife (Kobold Avenger) Spy for his tribe of dark ones, Rhandis sells his services at special cost -- rarely for gold, but often secret knowledge or some future favor owed his tribe. Rhandis strikes from the darkness, and using darkness -- with his blade of shadows. Yugoloth: Nycaloth (Shemeska the Marauder) A fiendish tactician, nycaloths are known to use their invisibility and flight abilities to ambush victims unable to detect their presence. If an opponent isn't defeated after falling from its clutches, then the nycaloth's raking, bleeding wound claws are usually enough to finish the task. Fiendish Intellect Devourer (RavinRay) In our first creature competition our psionic competitor fell prey to the Succubus Paladin in the very first round. In honor of the Mind's Eye return, we bring you another psionic combatant. And a fiendish one, at that. Entropic Reaper (Rhadamanthus) A true master of the scythe, the reaper inflicts searing pain against those it decides must die. Unfortunately, this includes just about every other creature it meets. "Gelatinous Man" Human Oozemaster (Talislan) The gelatinous cube won its grudge match last competition; this time, it's converted one of its devotees into a loyal follower. There are no fouler professions than that of the oozemaster, whose very touch infests others with damage. 12-Headed Hydra (Lyinginbedmon) Twelve heads makes for a devastating barrage of biting teeth. Woe betide any opponent not versed in the Improved Sunder feat, or the means to prevent a severed head from growing two more in its place. "Harold the Mighty" Human Bard (Tankus) Constantly singing and telling of legends, but always only about himself. If you listen to him, you'd think he'd defeated every creature in the land at least once. Juggernaut (RavinRay)A virtually unstoppable powerhouse -- perhaps the "tarrasque" of constructs. Can it be stopped? Not likely. At least, not easily. Mummified Minotaur of Legend (Khan the Destroyer) Nothing could defeat this minotaur of legend in life; so revered was he, that after his passing, his followers mummified his remains to forever guard his labyrinth lair.
RavinRay 09-30-05, 05:48 PM	Me first! :D Two of my suggestions, the fiendish intellect devourer and the juggernaut, got it, so of course it's with a bias that I want them in. I know that the other fiendishly-tainted creatures will brook no competition in the side of evil, so I'd like to pit the intellect devourer against the vrock ranger and the nycaloth. Let the most evil of the three win! :evillaugh :devil: :schemes: As the the juggernaught, with complete immunity to mind-affecting effects aligned attacks, it should be able to keep others at bay with its force and hold monster effects, then squash 'em flat! :ghosted:
Lord Doombringer 09-30-05, 05:58 PM	This is a much better line up than last time! Last time I had a definite choice for a winner, and now I can't pick. They're all just too original!
Thyme71 09-30-05, 06:05 PM	Yugi's all the way :) Go Nycaloth. Thyme
Realms of Chaos 09-30-05, 06:06 PM	I have an idea that could add more depth to this competition. Why not have you DM each round with the creatures being NPCs. You tell us what happens (hits, misses, soils self, etc.) so that we can get a good grip on them and their personalities (if applicable). Even if one creature loses the bout, they can still be voted for and win. I feel that this adds a lot of more depth and makes the contest more interesting.
Aneul 09-30-05, 07:41 PM	I really want to see the Nycaloth go up against the Vrock Ranger- and then watch the Knight of the Chalice face the survivor. These are far, far better combatants then last time.
Slagger the Chuul 09-30-05, 08:48 PM	They're all just too original! Yep, that human bard is just out there! I wanted a ghost mermaid bard. :raincloud :) I suppose it is original to have one in a creature competition, but I can't help imagining what he must look like standing with all the othe contestants. You've got your ethereal filcher doing warm-up exercises, towered over by your well-bandaged minotaur of legend, dwarfed in turn by giants like the warforged titan and hydra. There's a brain on legs, and an assortment of creatures from planes of all heights, and then you've got this one human guy in there wondering whether or not he should have signed up. I'd personally like to see Harold (the bard) or Laenya (the coure warlock; who I assume is chaotic, not evil) go up against Titan 54. And how about names for everyone this time? Maybe "Tybo" for the filcher? :)
Kobold Avenger 09-30-05, 08:52 PM	Two out of Three of my suggestions made into the competition!!! So I'm obviously biased about Rhandis the Dark Stalker Soulknife, and Laenya the Eladrin: Coure Warlock... And I'd tried to write in the short blurbs of each of my nominations a little bit that would try to make them into characters with some depth.
Purkake 10-01-05, 09:40 AM	Oh my, no extreme monsters(*wink*succubus paladin*wink*) this might actually NOT turn into a flame war(yeah right:rolleyes: ). Nice to see that shemmy got a Yugoloth in there. Btw where is that Nycaloth picture from? Oh and there's a psionic monster, they just managed to pick everyones favorite :rolleyes: So I'll place my bets on the Nycaloth, Filcher Monk and the Entropic Reaper. For the next time: Sharn!
Thyme71 10-01-05, 12:20 PM	Oh my, no extreme monsters(*wink*succubus paladin*wink*) this might actually NOT turn into a flame war(yeah right:rolleyes: ). Nice to see that shemmy got a Yugoloth in there. Btw where is that Nycaloth picture from? So I'll place my bets on the Nycaloth, Filcher Monk and the Entropic Reaper. For the next time: Sharn! That nice Nycaloth bad boy is from monster manual 3.5. Updated some of the yugi's (would be nice if wotc was less concerned about money grubbing and updated all the yugi's for 3.5) and updated the artwork. Thyme
Zevox 10-01-05, 12:41 PM	Sweet, one of my suggestions got in, and it was the Paladin at that :D ! So of course, being the Paladin/lawful-good pious warrior fanatic that I am, Zeev's getting my vote in any match he enters. But the lineup this time is definitely better - no ungodly monster-of-legend beast (Tarrasque), no weak little "pity-me, I was in a module you liked" fella (Meepo), no Drow for folks to gripe about (Jannys), no majorly contradictory creatures to be complained about (Elu), no ninjas or pirates... I think I'm going to love this competition no matter who wins :D (well, okay, maybe except the Titan or Juggernaut, but if those are the only two I'm utterly unwilling to vote for, then thats better than last time by far). Heres hoping to see Sir Zeev face off with the Nycaloth or Vrock :cool: . Zevox
Subject_13 10-01-05, 01:34 PM	I don't understand exactly what criteria this competition is based on. I know its not the first, but I only just started playing D&D. Personally, I want to see the Bard fight the Juggernaught. It would be hilarious. :P Alot of people are putting random quotes at the bottom of thier posts, how's this? "Some kami attacks during the war were rife with trickery, subterfuge, and subtlety, draining hope and pride from the mortal world. Other attacks were alot more straightforward."--Lava Spike (MTG Kamiwaga)
Ogre4Hire 10-01-05, 01:58 PM	Alright, my Titan made the list! Let me think of some appropriate dialog for him... Exterminate! Ex-Ter-Min-Ate! Personally, I'd like to see Titan 54 squash the Fiendish Intellect Devourer or the Satyr Assassin in the prelims. Some nice little targets he can trample flat.:devil:
Lord Doombringer 10-01-05, 01:59 PM	Yep, that human bard is just out there! I wanted a ghost mermaid bard. :raincloud Look on the bright side, your filcher monk made the grade! BTW, did anyone else notice the name puns? Zevok's aasimar was called Sir Zeev. (Zevok, Zeev.) Talislan' satyr was called Tallis. (Talislan, Tallis.)
Zevox 10-01-05, 02:00 PM	I don't understand exactly what criteria this competition is based on. I know its not the first, but I only just started playing D&D. Well, the competition itself is simply to vote for you favorite of the available contestants each week (starting next week tuesday). What criteria you choose your favorite by is completely up to you. There'll be eight contestants in the "ring" each week to vote on, and the one with fewest votes is elminated at the start of the next week, at which point one of those whom wasn't "in the ring" (available to vote for) will replace the loser. Last one standing wins. Alot of people are putting random quotes at the bottom of thier posts Thats thier signatures. You can create and edit yours in your "My Account" page, accessed by clicking the link labeled as such above the posts. BTW, did anyone else notice the name puns? Zevox's aasimar was called Sir Zeev. (Zevox, Zeev.) Talislan' satyr was called Tallis. (Talislan, Tallis.) *shrugs* Guess they just played off the names of those whom nominated them for the contestants they felt needed names whom didn't have them yet. Works for me, anyway :) . Zevox
Meshakhad 10-01-05, 02:19 PM	I Can't Decide!
lightman 10-01-05, 06:14 PM	I don't understand exactly what criteria this competition is based on. I know its not the first, but I only just started playing D&D. Personally, I want to see the Bard fight the Juggernaught. It would be hilarious. :P Alot of people are putting random quotes at the bottom of thier posts, how's this? "Some kami attacks during the war were rife with trickery, subterfuge, and subtlety, draining hope and pride from the mortal world. Other attacks were alot more straightforward."--Lava Spike (MTG Kamiwaga) Newbie, go to your profile options. Select "edit signature" Put the quotes you like there. It'll show up in every post
Lyinginbedmon 10-01-05, 06:25 PM	12-Headed Hydra (Lyinginbedmon) Twelve heads makes for a devastating barrage of biting teeth. Woe betide any opponent not versed in the Improved Sunder feat, or the means to prevent a severed head from growing two more in its place. YES! I got one in! Now I'm publicly traceable by the FBI and NSA! :D
Verin 10-01-05, 06:39 PM	Rhandis the Dark Stalker Soulknife Kobold Avenger has my vote all the way simply because Soulknives are a fav. of mine and I honestly wanna see the lil' buger kick that Satyr's arse! Or maybe even Titan 54 ( Jesus would that be an extreme fight)
Balor von Balorvitch 10-01-05, 07:55 PM	This new competion is off the charts! It is odvise now that the peeps on this message board make better monsters than the WoTC ones LOL. I would love if some of the people explained what each of these monsters can do and how they are cool. I am quite glad that Shemeska got her Yugoloth, she has been building up the hype about Yugoloths for a long time and made me take intrest in them more in my D&D. I personally am backing the Mummified Minotaur of Legend because he has lots of templates but they all add up in his back story and it all makes sense, he was the greatest warrior in his time so he mummified himself so he could defeat all the new age of heros! I want to know his class levels, cleric would be umber cool with old school spells that none has seen in thousands of years! Also The Vrock Ranger would make the best of this championship. Why because we all want to see him track down a murder that damn Elu the Succubus thus reclaiming the undisputed monster title back to the Abyss!
RavinRay 10-01-05, 08:22 PM	There's a brain on legs... And how about names for everyone this time? Intellect devourers don't need no names, :P at least not pronounceable ones. Its like Prince who was the Artist Formerly Known as Prince who was Prince who's name is a symbol... and it's the last thing the vrock and 'loth will see in their minds before it wipes 'em off and ends their misery. :evillaugh
tiercel 10-01-05, 09:02 PM	You know, when I ranted about how utterly broken the juggernaut was (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7155666&postcount=82) I wasn't trying to get it INTO the competition. Ugh. It is a poster child for "why I don't use Monster Manual II." Having said that, I want the bard to own the field. (If nothing else, by looking like the "target in the arena I least need to worry about" for a good while and playing his opponents off one against the other.) A well-presented and intelligently played bard should be able to do quite well (heck, just making rushed Diplomacy checks should keep most of the creatures from being quite so Hostile toward him if there are other targets about). Theoretically Harold should be able to win much of the Meepo-style "underdog" vote, but I forsee that popular prejudice ("bards suck" sentiment, fueled by people's experiences with poorly-played bard characters) will eliminate him in short order once he enters.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-01-05, 09:42 PM	You know, when I ranted about how utterly broken the juggernaut was (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7155666&postcount=82) I wasn't trying to get it INTO the competition. Ugh. It is a poster child for "why I don't use Monster Manual II." Thats awsome you complain about how cheap a monster is and you nomante it! Its your own fault for mapping out exactly why it is cheap LOL. Oh and Bards suck! PS: Not really but brakeing a banjo off someones head only goes so far! PSS: Why didn't they take my idea of a dire ape that throws barrels at his opponets?
Slagger the Chuul 10-01-05, 10:10 PM	But the lineup this time is definitely better - no ungodly monster-of-legend beast (Tarrasque) Unless you count the minotaur, who's a genuine Monster of Legend by template. :P PSS: Why didn't they take my idea of a dire ape that throws barrels at his opponets? Copyright. But you could get away with it as a parody, so it's probably because an animal isn't as monstrous as most of the other competitors.
Zevox 10-01-05, 10:19 PM	Unless you count the minotaur, who's a genuine Monster of Legend by template. :P Eh, I was using the term more so to mean uber-powerful, highly famous monster whom is supposedly rarely seen outside of legends in-game. ;) I would love if some of the people explained what each of these monsters can do and how they are cool. Not a bad idea. I'll see if I can find time to come up with a short backstory for Sir Zeev to post whenever it is he enters the ring :) . Zevox
runestar 10-02-05, 12:59 AM	I vote for the 12-headed hydra....if only for all the rules headaches it has induced with the confusion involving combat reflexes and AoOs. :)
Rhadamanthus 10-02-05, 10:47 AM	Yes! They took my idea! Undead rock the house any day! My self-esteem just rose by two points!* *Rhadamanthus does not actually have a self-esteem score. Vote for the entropic reaper! Manifestations of death rule! I mean, look, this is how the fight would go, man: Reaper: Hi giant robot! (slash in half) Hi multi-limbed ethereal combatant! (slash-turns into puddle) Hi duodecagonal-headed lizard! (slashes all heads off) Hi knight and bard! (etcetera) Repeat ad infinitum until the reaper is the only one standing. Death kills all!
vardock 10-02-05, 11:19 AM	the filcher can hide in the eathereal plane. this gives him the abality to wait for a moment of weakness, escape a powerful spell, and just wait where no one can hurt you untill only one very weakened oppoment is left standing, then go in well-rested for the kill. if someone is foolish enough to allow the hydra to grow more heads, it will become even stronger. i wonder if it could bite off it's own heads in order to grow more, it could easily become a 100 headed hydra!!! :eek: third the jungernaught. power incarnate and immune to magical effects.
Mercurius 10-02-05, 12:16 PM	Mummified Minotaur of Legend (Khan the Destroyer) Nothing could defeat this minotaur of legend in life; so revered was he, that after his passing, his followers mummified his remains to forever guard his labyrinth lair. I would just like to protest this. You attributed the mummified minotaur of legend to Khan the Destroyer. However, Khan suggested a Minotaur of legend cleric here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7118113&postcount=18) While I suggested the mummified minotaur of legend here. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7122200&postcount=25) I'm sure it was just an honest mistake, but I would appreciate a correction. I rather like my idea for the mummy minotaur of legend, who appeared in my own 3.0 campaign (his name was Varuna, actually. Feel free to use that if you want). Thanks.
TwinBahamut 10-02-05, 01:35 PM	My two picks are the Hydra (I seconded the nomination after all), and the very cool mummified minotaur of legend. But I have to say, this is a much, much better line up than the previous one. All the creatures are much more, well... usable I guess. And there are no creatures that are cheesy reformed evil or gimmicky. This is going to be fun!
Guildmaster 10-02-05, 03:35 PM	Entropic reaper and the mummifies minotaur of legend i wanna see the reaper fihgt hte soulknife thatd be good
the Horc 10-02-05, 07:14 PM	Man, I hope in round 2 my Sahuagin Kensai gets in.
Rabid Dire Wolverine 10-02-05, 11:42 PM	That bard is soooo dead. A bard is useless without a party. What's he gonna do, sing the Juggernaut to death? And he also seems really annoying. Here's my wish to Santa: 1st round: Inevitable beats the crud out of him with his chains! 27 damage! Filcher socks him, then phases into etherealness! 8 damage! Coure Blasts the crud out of him and sets him on fire! 17 damage + on fire! Juggernaut tramples him to death! 29 damage! And he is thus reduced to a bloody mush. That's on fire. :bounce: Seriously though, I think the winner will either be the Coure or the Filcher. The Filcher will just phase in and out, giving someone a good punch before phasing out. The Coure will just go incorporeal and blast the crud out of everyone with hellrime blasts, creating zombies out of dead opponents :D She can also cause the Filcher some trouble with her magic missile spell-like ability. I think that they would win because even if some of the opponents could hit them, there's still a 50% miss chance, and if I were one of the opponents, I would pick easier and more threatening prey. Edit: As for a nominee for the next one, How about a Pixie Slayer of Domiel? Natural invisibility good. Or a Musteval invisible dagger. Just because I think Mustevals are really cool :D
sefaspawn 10-02-05, 11:59 PM	It's crazy! A Vrock ranger versus the mummified minotaur of legend. Just sit back and watch the feathers and funeral wrappings fly.
Slagger the Chuul 10-03-05, 01:53 AM	Eh, I was using the term more so to mean uber-powerful, highly famous monster whom is supposedly rarely seen outside of legends in-game. ;) I said :P , and I stand by it. :P
Mercurius 10-03-05, 12:41 PM	I'd vote for Laenya, the Coure Eladrin Warlock (though I wish it were a Gifted (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=370164) instead...) and the Mummy Minotaur of Legend (I call him Varuna). Sure, the latter is a bit of favoritism, but it's a cool idea, and a nasty monster. Especially if you give it a cold-breath weapon instead of fire-breath, or just be really mean and give it the fire subtype... But I do like the Coure a lot. Mostly because I love that illustration. They're so darn cute. :cloud9:
tiercel 10-03-05, 10:52 PM	That bard is soooo dead. A bard is useless without a party. I would argue as the proverbial Jack of Many Trades, bard is probably one of the better solo classes. When you have to do everything for yourself, being able to do at least a little of everything is worth more than when you are in a party. (Yes, yes. I know. Druids can do more than a little of everything, except maybe the complete social skill set.) What's he gonna do, sing the Juggernaut to death? Not the point -- this isn't a series of 1v1 fights, this is a Battle Royal. He doesn't have to make kills, he just has to be not-killed. Who better to keep the other 3 at each others' throats instead of his, than a bard? This is an important point of multiplayer combat -- if you've ever been in an "everyone for themselves" multiplayer game, you don't want to be seen as the strongest/most dangerous, because everyone else will just gang up on you. Sometimes being the "weakest" is the winning strategy, if you are strong enough to keep people from trying for a "no effort" kill on you, and strong enough to beat the exhausted "strongest" of the others once the dust settles. This works best when you are good at manipulating the other players... which bards are. Besides, I've already argued elsewhere that the Juggernaut is ridiculously overpowered for its CR (especially in a confined arena). If the Juggernaut has been given a relatively intelligent "program"/set of operating instructions on how to use its various abilities, it should be ridiculously hard to kill. Pretty much all of the contestants in this combat would be better off trying to outmaneuver the Juggernaut and get it to attack someone else, rather than burn up resources and weaken themselves trying to kill it when there are 2 others in the pit. Interesting question: how many of the monsters going into the pit either have, or at least reasonably potentially have, some form of invisibility? of see invisibility or other means of detecting invisible creatures?
Wotc_Mark 10-04-05, 02:22 AM	And So....The Battle Begins ARDy: At the stroke of midnight (eastern time), eight gates creaked open, admitting the first combatants into our Battle Royal arena! Titan 54 pounded up a cloud of dust during his long, slow march to the very center, in challenge to anyone daring take on this great war machine. The vrock ranger went straight to the air, waiting to swoop down upon its first target. Meanwhile, Rahndis and Tallis have each taken to the shadows along the edge... Cast your vote for who you want to see win the battle, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. And to our competitors: good luck. And good healing. Week 1 -- (10/04/2005 - 10/10/2005) - Inevitable: Zelekhut - "Sir Zeev" Aasimar Knight of the Chalice - "Titan 54" Warforged Titan - "Tallis" Satyr Assassin - Vrock Ranger - "Rhandis" Dark Stalker Soulknife - "Gelatinous Man" Human Oozemaster - 12-Headed Hydra http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050930a MJ
Etiquette_Gnome 10-04-05, 02:34 AM	If we're voting for the first one taken down, wouldn't the highest vote getter be the one dragged out of the ring?
talislan 10-04-05, 02:55 AM	I would love if some of the people explained what each of these monsters can do and how they are cool. Well as I nominated three of the monsters in question, I'd better try and explain them, especially since all three are in the arena right now! Which one do I support? We have the Zelekhut: From the plane of Mechanus this is the "terminator" of creatures. They are totally single minded, they cannot be bought off, they don't get tired, they simply will not quit. And this one uses two big electrified chains as weapons as well as magic. It can cast hold person while someone else delivers the death blow. Don't count this guy out early! Tallis The satyr assassin: I'm not sure what the terrain in the arena is like, but it probably doesn't suit Tallis too much. In a forest though he'd kill you before you can see him. He's great at hiding and has a big sneak attack with poison use and maybe even a death strike. He has a bit of assassin magic so he won't be the first one down. If I was playing him I'd tip his horns with poison. Heck I'm going to use him as an NPC in a game I'm running right now. Gelatinous Man the Ooze Master: Everybody hates ooze masters and I'll be stunned if he survives round 1, but remember he has acid touches. You can't get a critical or a sneak attack on him and he can use a slime wave. He can't be flanked, is immune to poison, sleep, parallysis, stunning and mind affecting spells. Plus his charisma is so low that nobody wants to get near him and attack. Plus he was a fifth level caster of somekind before picking up this class. I nominated him as a joke and I want to see him take on the juggernaut, so support the ooze!
BWP 10-04-05, 03:28 AM	The question becomes: who will be the first one defeated? That's for you to decide! Cast your vote, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. Uh ... what? What exactly are we voting on again? The first post in this thread told us to vote for our favourites, and whoever was least popular would be removed. That sort of makes sense, I guess. Now the above seems to be telling us to vote for whoever we want to be defeated, but the person we least want defeated will be removed. Huh? Wouldn't it be easier for us to just vote on who we want to lose, and whoever gets the most votes loses? :confused:
Wotc_Mark 10-04-05, 03:52 AM	Vote for the winner.... the lowest vote getter is removed... MJ Uh ... what? What exactly are we voting on again? The first post in this thread told us to vote for our favourites, and whoever was least popular would be removed. That sort of makes sense, I guess. Now the above seems to be telling us to vote for whoever we want to be defeated, but the person we least want defeated will be removed. Huh? Wouldn't it be easier for us to just vote on who we want to lose, and whoever gets the most votes loses? :confused:
Mercurius 10-04-05, 11:51 AM	Thanks for correcting the Minotaur of Legend's creator. I appreaciate it.
Falido 10-04-05, 02:14 PM	The Oozemaster is gonna Oozenate!
Chaotica Maxima 10-04-05, 02:17 PM	Gotta go with the Warforged Titan. Its a WArforged, and it can 'THURG SMASH INTO BITS!' all day long. Booya for the 'Forged Titan!
Ramses III 10-04-05, 03:05 PM	My votes are going to the Titan 54 (go brute force!), and to the Nycaloth, in part out of respect for Shemeska's crusade to keep alive one of the 3 coolest D&D settings ever published (my other 2 faves being Dark Sun and Eberron) and partly just cuz I think 'loths rock the evil party! Pure evil, with no prejudice toward law or chaos -- now there's a fiend!
tiercel 10-04-05, 03:07 PM	If this is more fight than election: Hydra, Warforged Titan: I figure most of the other contestants would avoid these two nasty Big Brawlers, trying to maneuver their opponents against them. On the other hand, I could see these two colliding head-on to start the battle, and I'm not sure what the result would be, other than ugly.... The other contestants would have to judge whether the victor was sufficiently weakened to attack immediately (especially if the hydra comes out on top -- if you don't polish it off quickly, that massive fast healing will patch it back up). Rhandis, Tallis: Why get into the fight until someone comes looking for them? The two may play cat-and-mouse in the shadows, though... Tallis is probably a little out of his terrain, and can't be high enough level (within the CR limits of this competition) to have Hide in Plain Sight, though, so it will be difficult for him to pull off a successful Death Attack, except possibly by use of invisibility.... Sir Zeev, Zelekhut, Vrock Ranger: Ooh, bad draw for the vrock... in the pit there is a guy who specializes in demon-slaying, plus a paragon of Law. If Sir Zeev doesn't have a convenient way of getting airborne, then the Vrock and the Zelekhut might mix it up in the air... The Zelekhut could be in trouble, since the Vrock is one of the few contestants that blows right through its DR, and the electric part of its chains won't hurt the Vrock. On the other hand, the Zelekhut can see right through the Vrock's mirror images with its true seeing and can't be stunned by the Vrock's screech.... If Sir Zeev can take to the air or offer significant ranged support for the Zelekhut, I think the Vrock gets taken down and the Zelekhut quickly fast-heals back up. Otherwise the dangerous Zelekhut might suffer an early exit... Oozemaster: Probably nobody wants anything to do with this guy, which may keep him alive. One of our shadow-lurking contestants may want to knock him out with a quick-kill, but I'm betting the assassin is sufficiently leery of his oozy nature ("can I sneak/death attack this guy?") that he holds off, and I don't know if Rhandis exposes himself with Tallis still hanging back in the shadows. Most likely direct confrontations: Hydra vs Warforged Titan, Zelekhut vs Vrock I'd note that if this the Zelekhut is going to go down, the Vrock is probably the best competitor to do it. With Sir Zeev in play, though, I don't know if it happens. As for the Battle of the Titans, I'm guessing Mr. Warforged isn't programmed to lop off, then sear, hydra heads. If not, going up against that fast healing 22 will be a formidable challenge... if so, the other contestants are going to really hate the Titan if it lops off a lot of heads, fails to sear them, and then loses, leaving behind a 20-or-so-headed hydra for the next day. I don't have Warforged Titan stats in front of me but I'm thinking it's going to have trouble here....
Lyinginbedmon 10-04-05, 03:33 PM	Let the full-headed fury of the hydra immerse yon competitors in its great seething maws!
tarrasquelord 10-04-05, 04:51 PM	This already is a major kick butt fest! Go Rhandis the Darkstalker! I have no clue what a soulknife is but it sounds darn cool. If this keeps maybe my three faves (Rhandis, coure Warlock, and the Entropic Reaper) Won't have to go up against each other.
Purkake 10-04-05, 04:59 PM	I, for one really hate the "lets have them go against each other" thing. Isn't this about the favorite monster, not the "my Nycaloth can like totally beat your Vrock Ranger". It is obvious that they are not balanced to fight each other...:rolleyes:
fftechbeta 10-04-05, 05:23 PM	Khan the Destroyer!
SemperMutatio 10-04-05, 05:46 PM	Gelly man! Gelly man! His only friends may be mindless eating machines, but one doesn't need talkative friends when you're one with the ooze.
sefaspawn 10-04-05, 06:26 PM	My vote is for the Vrock ranger.
Meshakhad 10-04-05, 06:31 PM	After careful deliberation, I voted for the Dark Stalker Soulknife. Intelligent, careful characters appeal to me. Bear in mind that I will likely vote for a different creature later.
O'mega 10-04-05, 08:29 PM	What can I say? I'm a sucker for constructs, golems and stompy. Titan 54 fits the bill perfectly; i'l be rooting for it all the way through! STOMP ^^ That said, in a real battle royal, there's a good chance a lot of the quicker characters could avoid his undoubtedly earth-shattering blows, whilst he'll probably get caught up in combat with multiple heads, i mean the hydra. still, You can stomp em, 54!
Balor von Balorvitch 10-04-05, 09:29 PM	Thanks to Tiercel and Talislan for the descriptions helped alot. Titian 54 is the man droid to beat for sure. Vrock seems to be an under bird with a Lawful and Good competitors but he can fly and I think Tallis would be looking to get rid of Zelekhut with all his Lawful powers and see invisbilty. Oozemaster is the wild card in combat who knows how he wll act.
thanatoxin 10-04-05, 10:04 PM	Right now, the only thing flying is the vrock - I think it can just sit up there and take potshots - what they gonna do throw dustballs at it 60-120' in the air?
Verin 10-04-05, 11:37 PM	My voted still head towards Rhandis but I have one problem with the thread...the voting system is slightly flawed, we post and you count, okay well how long does each battle last? Is there actually any real battle?Not that I can read, its popularity contest not a fight. If it was a fight I'd suggest we vote then have rolls done and a quick write up of the battle and the end results...the stats of each character aren't told but anyone with enough knowledge of the game and their favorite character can guess at the stats. The voting system should be left to simpler "I vote for" posts so the person they've selected is clear...other than that...Go Soulknife!! BWAHAHAHA!(Immaturatiy anyone? :D )
talislan 10-04-05, 11:52 PM	Right now, the only thing flying is the vrock - I think it can just sit up there and take potshots - what they gonna do throw dustballs at it 60-120' in the air? The Vrock may be the only one with flight (for now) but there are ranged attacks like the satyr's poisoned arrows and a couple of spell casters down there. Plus that paladin must have a warhorse of some kind. It could well be able to fly and then the Vrock is in a world of hurt! Or the paladin may have some holy ranged weapons. Maybe the oozemaster can use his spell casting ability (he has to be a fifth level caster to become an OM plus he gains about three more levels while doing it) so could he fly and drop ooze on people? Could he summon flying creatures? He's a bigger wildcard every time I think about it. Of course some of the competitors may have magic items that allow flight. Perhaps that will be revealed in later rounds...
talislan 10-04-05, 11:58 PM	The idea is that we discuss the tactics the creatures could use and based on that, we vote, thus combining popularity with game mechanics. See the quote on the board: What criteria should you use to vote? That's entirely up to you. That said, we asked for creatures within a fairly narrow Challenge Rating, so that those who prefer to make your decision based on who would win an actual fight can do so. And of course, you can argue for how they would win the fight on the message boards My voted still head towards Rhandis but I have one problem with the thread...the voting system is slightly flawed, we post and you count, okay well how long does each battle last? Is there actually any real battle?Not that I can read, its popularity contest not a fight. If it was a fight I'd suggest we vote then have rolls done and a quick write up of the battle and the end results...the stats of each character aren't told but anyone with enough knowledge of the game and their favorite character can guess at the stats. The voting system should be left to simpler "I vote for" posts so the person they've selected is clear...other than that...Go Soulknife!! BWAHAHAHA!(Immaturatiy anyone? :D )
Lazaro 10-05-05, 12:51 AM	When in doubt let the warforged sort it out! GO 54 GO!!!
Slagger the Chuul 10-05-05, 12:57 AM	Reaper: Hi giant robot! (slash in half) Hi multi-limbed ethereal combatant! (slash-turns into puddle) Hi duodecagonal-headed lizard! (slashes all heads off) Hi knight and bard! (etcetera) The entropic reaper could do well against the others, but there's a good chance that Titan 54 would just pick it up and rip it in half.
Etiquette_Gnome 10-05-05, 02:45 AM	Really, out of the lot presented to us, I'm going to be voting for the Vrock. While the oozemaster is a wildcard for many of the contestants, the Vrock has probably the best set of saves out of the group. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Vrock stole the Zelekhut's spiked chains (after he was taken care of) for himself to handle the non-flyers with stupid ease, since he'll have greater reach than even the hydra (irony alone would be reason enough). Also, I'm a sucker for the fiends, and their skill. I'd like the fight to devolve into a bit of a brawl between the Vrock, Zelekhut, and Nycaloth personally.
IronManZero 10-05-05, 02:51 AM	The vrock seems to be the natural one to control the skies. And once the he gets there i dont see anything able to take him down. He would be free to fight who he wanted and to avoid others. He could just watch the big things fight and bring them both down by helping the losing side. As long as he cant be reached he would be hard to defeat.
Suin Bahhar 10-05-05, 08:31 AM	The Satyr Tallis has my vote this round. The stealthers have a significant edge if they can find some kind of cover and avoid eachother. Choosing the moments to fight is the way to survive in a chaotic arena battle. If the satyr has acces to invisibility he's safe and able to death attack his enemy sneak the soulknife. If the inevitable doesnt interfere with his true seeing, but i assume he''l have his hands full with the Vrock. The Vrock itself could also have a lot of skills to track down sneaks. And poison wont work on it either. But as a ranger he would choose not to fight a woodland creature such as a Satyr (oops, thought of AD&D goody rangers :P ) Satyr natural constitution give it that little extra melee presence to escape even juggernauts. He uses poison, he could even affect the oozemaster with it. Has both ranged and melee capabilties, a bit of evasive spellcasting and some deadly skills for stealth. He sounds really like a survivor to me...
Zevox 10-05-05, 10:05 AM	I said in a previous post that I'd make a brief backstory for Zeev to post when he entered the ring, and so I have. I may need to rethink my definition of "brief", though, since it turned out longer than I'd expected :) . Here you are, for anyone interested: Backstory of Sir Zeev Zeev’s family had always been pious followers of St. Cuthbert (partially stemming from the fact that one of their ancestors was a Justice Archon in his service), but none were more devoted than he. He took up arms as a Paladin of his God as soon as he came of age, swearing vengeance against all demons and fiends of any kind in memory of his beloved sister, Kithra, who was slain in a demon attack on his village caused by a wizard’s miscast summoning spell when she was but ten years old (an Aasimar like her brother, she was gifted with sorcerous talents and had thought to use the few cantrips she had mastered to aid the guards and clerics holding off the demons). This tragedy may be the cause of his being one of the few Aasimars to take on the vengeful, judgmental aspects of their celestial ancestors. Once he had begun his journeys it didn’t take long for Sir Zeev to attract the attentions of the Knights of the Chalice - between his obvious celestial heritage (his eyes, a rich yellow, give off a slight glow at times, and his skin is an inhuman golden hue) and his constant seeking of fiends he was precisely the type of warrior they sought for their members - and he enthusiastically accepted their invitation to join their order. Since then his hatred for these embodiments of evil has only grown with his experiences fighting them; having seen everything from the corrupting influence of Succubi to the cruel tortures of Hezrou and Hamatulas to the horror of a Bebilith devouring a victim’s entire body, he is firmly convinced that fiends are the source of all the greatest evils of the world and is determined to kill every last one that dares invade his home plane. Although his greatest hatred is reserved for the Demons of the Abyss, his rage is kindled at the sight of any evil outsider, and he never hesitates in battle with one, although he does attempt to show mercy to those non-fiends whom he does not see as irredeemably evil whenever possible. Zeev often travels alone in his quest, though he maintains close ties to the Knights and frequently reports to their leaders. He has on occasion traveled with adventuring bands – usually when those bands happened to be heading for locations rumored to count fiends among their inhabitants, of course – and to them he usually seems aloof. In fact, he is merely shy, and can be quite charismatic when convinced to join a conversation. Regardless of whether they treat him as aloof or get through his shy shell, he is greatly loyal to his companions when traveling with others, and won’t hesitate to put himself in danger to save another’s life. And also, for the sake of argument in the "who would win in a fight" portion of the competition, heres his fighting style: Sir Zeev's Fighting Style Sir Zeev's favored weapon is his Falchion, which he has had enchanted both with common enchantments and with enchantments designed to increase its effectiveness against the fiends he fights (+2 Evil Outsider Bane Falchion). He has long since learned from encounters with Erinyes, Imps, Succubi, and Quasits, however, that more than simply his Falchion is often needed to deal with demons, so he carries an enchanted longbow and a quiver of arrows with him at all times (+1 Longbow). His armor is likewise enchanted, both with mundane enchantments and with an increased fortification (+2 Light Fortification Full Plate Armor). Other magical items in his possession include a pair of Boots of Striding and Springing, a Periapt of Wisdom +2, and a Pearl of Power (1st-level). He also keeps a pair of Masterwork Manacles on him at all times for restraining those whom he does not wish to kill. His special mount, first sent to him by St. Cuthbert during a battle against a group of Erinyes, is a Pegasus. For his spells, he always prepares at least one casting each of Protection from Evil and Bless Weapon - the former to defend him from his fiendish foes, the latter to improve the effectiveness of his weapons against them - and usually prepares either Resist Energy or Zone of Truth as his sole 2nd-level spell. In battle, Zeev wields his Falchion with deadly efficiency, often striking the vital areas of his foes (Improved Critical (Falchion) feat). His unique training as a Knight of the Chalice also allows him to slay evil outsiders with greater ease than other foes. He uses his bow and arrows sparingly and usually while mounted on his Pegasus, but he is a proficient rider and has learned well both how to use his bow from Pegasusback and how to let his intuition guide his shots (Mounted Combat, Mounted Archery, and Zen Archery feats), and his deadliness when fighting this way is not to be underestimated. He usually calls upon his Pegasus only to aid him against flying foes, but will take to the skies to combat foes he would have a difficult time beating in close combat. He is no novice to battle, and adapts his fighting techniques to better combat each individual foe. Long-winded and proud of it, Zevox
Balor von Balorvitch 10-05-05, 10:34 AM	Going by my interpretation of his fighting style, Zeev would mount his Pegasus,....... Long-winded and proud of it, Zevox Very great story of Zevox and he adds loads of info materials that i don't think of when hearing Paladin! But i demand the Peagsus is banned from ring side! I think being from Mechanus Zelekhut prob allie with 54 (might try to convert the disco inferno Titan to come back to Mechanus) I think the players with the best invisiblity will gain an advantage. And since ozze master could fly and turn invisibile he might be able to hide ontop. But this sounds like the elimination chamber from wwe soooo it is closed off and you could only sneak small weapons through the cage! Go Vrock!
Dragen White 10-05-05, 12:13 PM	The choice is hard, but I know what the inevitable can do, although at first glance it may seem normal, he is the perfect balance of all the competitors, and vitualy all their equal, he is the perfect canadate, to oppose all who face him even to the finals, just like his name states, its inevitable.
Greenintern 10-05-05, 02:07 PM	For this round at least, I vote Hydra. As soon as it gets into melee with the Titan, the heads will start flying left and right. Fairly soon after that, there will be more heads than you can count, as WF Titans don't have any fire attacks straight out of the book. In the long run however, I vote for Harold the Mighty. I'm a sucker for the underdog, probably because in m last game we were the underdogs.
Kobold Avenger 10-05-05, 03:13 PM	Some tactics: Rhandis being a Dark Stalker and a Soulknife, has a very potent combination of abilities, seeing as he could easily obscure the battlefield with Fog Cloud and with just any ammount of shadows or darkness gains concealability with Shadowcloak. Not only that he has Blindsight, Poison Use, racial bonuses to stealth, and +3d6 sneak attack, the only disadvantage being light sensitivity (which is probably why he'd want the paladin dead). As a Soulknife Rhandis gets access to psionic feats and probably has Up The Walls (walk up walls and ceilings as part of movement for a round), (Greater) Psionic Weapon (+2d6 with psionic, +4d6 with greater after expending focus on a melee attack), and a few more including Speed of Thought (+10 speed) which he gets for free. And this is just using the XPH feats, other books I'm sure have feats that are even better for him. Then there's the Mindblade which has enhancement bonuses and special abilities where he'd probably have the Collision (+2 weapon quality for +5 extra damage) property active with most opponents if he's high enough level, but could change it for more suitable qualities when faced with certain enemies such as Sundering for the hydra. The Mindblade can be thrown with 30' range and can be in the form of 1 or 2 shortswords, a longswords or a bastard sword. Also there's psychic strike which does +xd8 damage dependant on Soulknife level (+1d8 at 4th, +2d8 at 7th, +3d8 at 11th and so on). That first strike can be really deadly when he uses sneak attack, (greater) psionic weapon and psychic strike all at once. And if he ever got the 13th level Soulknife ability Knife to the Soul (which would bring him beyond the CR range) a lot of things would die easier as he can convert bonus die from psychic strike into charisma, intelligence or wisdom damage (1 each). I'll come up with more on his background and character later...
Etiquette_Gnome 10-05-05, 04:23 PM	Vrock Ranger: A History A burning sky covers all. Blood-red lightning makes darkened features even deeper. Cries fill the air in a never ending crescendo of pain and rage. A trio of vrocks, bloodied and wounded, retreat with blood and feathers trailing behind. The air is too rank with violence to notice the loss of these three, and continues unabated. From the edge of perception, a buzzing can be heard, coming ever closer. The vrocks bring themselves atop a grove of trees hidden within the scrags of the terrain. A noticeable portion lays burnt from lightning, bubbles of venom rising from the shattered stumps. All have shared the same rookery, and silently follow the alpha vrock's lead. They roost here for but a few hours, pulling shrapnel and bones from their plumage, before they hear buzzing. Great sets of insectoid wings descend. One of the vrocks craws in alarm, attempting bring himself aloft in time to outrun the sound. A pair of chasmes outpace the vrock with ease, and in a macabre scene of inverted nature, proceed to sunder the vrock from its wings and partake of its demonic flesh. In short order, they deftly turn and land before the two remaining vrocks, words of 'deserter' and 'return' barely noticeable in their buzzing speech. In a clamour for survival, the pair of vrocks retaliate viciously. Both sides cry out as beak and mouth meet plumage and chitin, as all involved struggle desperately to live. Eventually, both vrocks live and a single chasme remains. The two vrocks are heavily injured, breathing between coughs of blood. As the chasme advances, the lesser vrock shifts as if attacked, making the alpha vrock respond in kind. Unsuspecting, the first vrock stabs his talons into the alpha's eyes, crushing through to the brain before he realizes the dupe. Blinking, the chasme then nods in approval, and nods for the vrock to follow. The two rise and make headway back to the battlefront calmly. Nothing is said, and even the chasme's buzzing is lessened as the battle left it weakened and wounded. Suddenly, the vrock rakes the chasme across its back, tearing chitin and wing both. Unable to respond, the chasme plummets downward, and doesn't get back up when it reaches the bottom. The vrock descends, tears off a leg from the chasme, and fashions a crude bow from it and its guts. Tired of being beaten into submission by more tanar'ri than baatezu, flies off.
Wotc_Mark 10-05-05, 04:58 PM	We will take votes for one week then post a little writeup of some of the action involved in that round of competition. From what is written you might be able to get an Idea of how the voting went... at least that would be my guess ... the first week hasn't yet concluded so this could go many directions yet ... I will say that so far "Titan 54" seems to be having an easy time of it as the Satyr, Vrock, and Oozemaster battle to be around another week. MJ :cool:
eye_sac 10-05-05, 07:49 PM	I must say I find myself liking the Warforged Titan. I mean, with a name like Titan 54, what's not to love?
talislan 10-05-05, 07:58 PM	But i demand the Peagsus is banned from ring side! A warhorse is a class feature for a paladin! Its part of the character as much as the Vrock's damage reduction and poison immunity. It's gotta be in! The paladin is flying and if he and the Zelekhut team up on the Vrock, it will go down! But for comedy value alone: Save the Ooze Master, no point having the wild card go down early. Seriously, if he was a fifth level druid before becoming an ooze master, then he now has 10th level druid spell casting plus he can wild shape and has an animal companion: Perhaps a dire weasel or a dire rat. In this battle I'd expect he'll come in and use a slime wave on the big guys in the middle first and then hide behind summoned animals. When he's ready he'll wildshape into something that can fly and then lob oozy globs about.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-05-05, 08:16 PM	@ Etiquette_Gnome: Really enjoyed the story but... What is the Vrocks name? He won't win unless he has a name! i figured Titan would fare well in the opening round. But his fans will ware down over time. All 3 warriors who are struggling are around my top 3 (Satyr, Vrock, and Oozemaster) :weep: Come on Satyr with Rhandis's fog cloud could get off his death attacks and be more at home during the concealment phase! Vrock is the only demon is the only demon in this competiton and now with Assmar held but at Soul Knifepoint he is under less stress! Oozemaster deserves to last another round he is such an odd ball.... he has odd charm to him. If i must i would eliminate Hydra. I like them but too basic a monster, it is a simple hack slash and burn operation and not villian material.
Zevox 10-05-05, 08:29 PM	I like them but too basic a monster, it is a simple hack slash and burn operation and not villian material. Speaking of which, is there any reward for the winner of this competition? Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly enjoying it just for the sake of having it, but it is rather distinctive that no such reward as we had last time has been mentioned for this competition. So just out of curiosity, should Mark or ARDy or anyone else "in the know" happen to notice this post, is there any reward for the winning creature? Zevox
the Horc 10-05-05, 08:41 PM	I vote for Titan 54. I want mr Robot to Win.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-05-05, 09:10 PM	Sig: I consider Baalzebul sufficiently given the finger. Thank you voters of the Succu-Paladin. Off topic but i have a problem with your signature, Why Baalzebul? ,a devil, should it not be Grazzit the lord o lust LOL, or Orcus, Demogorgon etc DEMON lords
Zevox 10-05-05, 10:38 PM	Off topic but i have a problem with your signature, Why Baalzebul? ,a devil, should it not be Grazzit the lord o lust LOL, or Orcus, Demogorgon etc DEMON lords Probably has to do with Baalzebub being a Fallen Celestial, the opposite of the Succubus' status as a Risen Fiend. Zevox
Rabid Dire Wolverine 10-05-05, 11:17 PM	I would argue as the proverbial Jack of Many Trades, bard is probably one of the better solo classes. When you have to do everything for yourself, being able to do at least a little of everything is worth more than when you are in a party. True enough, but beside the point. In an adventure, he is indeed a good loner (though I prefer Rangers, Paladins, and, as you said, Druids). But this is a battle. In battles, a lone bard is no match for a class (or monster) built for battle, such as most of his competitors, since without allies, most of his bardic music and other buffing skills are moot. Not the point -- this isn't a series of 1v1 fights, this is a Battle Royal. He doesn't have to make kills, he just has to be not-killed. Who better to keep the other 3 at each others' throats instead of his, than a bard? This is an important point of multiplayer combat -- if you've ever been in an "everyone for themselves" multiplayer game, you don't want to be seen as the strongest/most dangerous, because everyone else will just gang up on you. Sometimes being the "weakest" is the winning strategy, if you are strong enough to keep people from trying for a "no effort" kill on you, and strong enough to beat the exhausted "strongest" of the others once the dust settles. This works best when you are good at manipulating the other players... which bards are. I agree with this strategy. That's why I nominate the Coure and Filcher, they can take advantage of this while still attacking with their Ethereal/incorporeal forms. However, they will have to fight eventually when it's down to the last two, there's a chance that the last opponent isn't quite as damaged as Harold had hoped. Though, in hindsight, the Bard isn't as dead as I had thought, it can win if it does get lucky.
talislan 10-06-05, 01:02 AM	Tallis is probably a little out of his terrain, and can't be high enough level (within the CR limits of this competition) to have Hide in Plain Sight, though, so it will be difficult for him to pull off a successful Death Attack, except possibly by use of invisibility.... Actually the CR on a satyr without pipes is only 2 which makes it possible for Tallis to have all ten levels in assassin. He gets hide in plain sight and the greater inivisibility spell. He can study the Vrock and then dimension door above it, strike with a death blow and then feather fall down. He can spider climb and hide in the shdaows on the wall. Nobody will find him there while he's invisible. Most likley he'll want to take the Zelekhut down first though and he won't mind teaming up with another chaotic or evil character to do it. Hard to believe Tallis is having trouble staying in the battle. Maybe that goody goody Inevitable knows how dangerous he is.
Wotc_Mark 10-06-05, 01:42 AM	Speaking of which, is there any reward for the winner of this competition? Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly enjoying it just for the sake of having it, but it is rather distinctive that no such reward as we had last time has been mentioned for this competition. So just out of curiosity, should Mark or ARDy or anyone else "in the know" happen to notice this post, is there any reward for the winning creature?I'm not really sure ... we can see about putting the winner in a downloadable adventure or possibly one of the D&D fight club entries... I'll chat with the web producer and see if we can announce anything like that officially anytime soon... MJ :cool:
Zevox 10-06-05, 12:11 PM	I'm not really sure ... we can see about putting the winner in a downloadable adventure or possibly one of the D&D fight club entries... I'll chat with the web producer and see if we can announce anything like that officially anytime soon... MJ :cool: Okay, cool. Not really that big a deal, like I said this is enjoyable just as a friendly have-it-for-the-fun-of-it competition, I was just curious. Please do let us know if anything of the sort is decided upon though. :) Zevox
mw_shipping 10-06-05, 12:24 PM	Warforged??? They can all :censored: give me the good old fashioned monsters. I might not know who I want to win, but I know who I want to see go.
Demon Pharo 10-06-05, 01:06 PM	I have to agree, I am not much for the WF of any sort, Ninja to Titan or anything withing or out of thoughs bounds
Ogre4Hire 10-06-05, 03:30 PM	Titan 54 definalty isn't going down today. He's a base CR of 8. Which means that he could add quite a few HDs to hit CR 12. Even without that, he's got DR Adamantine (and I'm sure than none of the competition is packing Adamantine weapons), Resist 10 All energy types, and all Construct immunities. In the offensive department, he's got a pair of attacks that deal decent average damage at a +16 to hit, combined with Power Attack and Cleave. Then, he's got Trample. Meaning that some of his smaller foes might end up as Speed bumps as he bulls his way towards the Hydra. I doubt he's going to be Sundering too many heads (he doesn't have the ability to sear the stumps, anyway, unless an Artificer enhanced his attacks), but he might just use Awesome Blow to knock a couple of irritating pests into Large and Toothy. Did I mention that he deals X3 damage on a crit?
Morka 10-07-05, 10:13 AM	My vote goes for the Satyr Assassin!
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-07-05, 01:38 PM	I have to go for the Oozemaster. Gotta love the totally deranged.
Rhadamanthus 10-07-05, 08:22 PM	Well, since my Reaper isn't in the mix yet, I had to go for the Vrock. Next to undead, I'm a demon guy. A demon that flies around raining destruction...good for them; now a demon that hunts other demons: THAT'S badass. Can't argue with that. Also, the Vrock can dispense death from the skies. And death from the skies is good no matter who you are. Although, I also like the hydra. Mostly because one time when I was DMing I TPK'ed the entire party with a 13-Headed Cryohydra (I know Hydras have max 12 heads, I used the Multiheaded template :D) so hydras and other multiheaded beings (like Ettins) hold sentimental value to me. Good luck to all competitors, and don't forget to vote for the REAPER! Reaper pwns!
Prak, the Mad 10-07-05, 11:27 PM	I was so jazzed to learn one of my ideas made it, I was looking down the list, scanning the handle names, getting more and more disheartened until I saw him! anyway, hmm... Name: Leoalcorn Feats:Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Multiattack, Power Attack(all racial), Improved Flight(12 HD), Rapid Shot(CS:Archery) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsiders After a stint in the Blood Wars as a Leiutenant to a group of Scouts, Leoalcorn quickly grew to dispise all other fiends. The backstabbing, the dishonesty, all of it was too much, he couldn't stay ahead, so he went AWOL and used the knowledge he'd picked up from his troops to train himself as a Ranger with the dream of becoming the Overlord of Fiends. I could see Leoalcorn trying to team up with Zeev against the other fiends, saying "Look, would you rather die fighting a horde of fiends all by your self, or have help defeating them and then defeat me?" course LGs are stupid critters, so Zeev prolly wouldn't take the offer... @E_G: nice, but I was really thinking more of a "F* this whole mess, I'm done with being ordered around" and he went off on his own, we were pretty much thinking the same think, and I suppose it could've been planned in Leoalcorn's mind the whole time to kill the other two vrocks, thoughin my version it would be the alpha... If anyone wants to know where I got the name, I'm dedicating him to my girlfriend, everykill he gets is in her name.
Zevox 10-08-05, 09:27 AM	course LGs are stupid critters, so Zeev prolly wouldn't take the offer... Ah, ignorant stereotypes. Lawful Good beings aren't stupid, and thats precisely why Zeev wouldn't take the offer. Obviously it would be foolish for someone who hates fiends to aid someone who wishes to become the Overlord of Fiends. Plus, the only fiends in this competition are Leoalcorn and the Nycaloth - not by any stretch of the imagination a "hoard". Hes not planning a trip into the the Abyss, hes fighting in a battle royal, and there are others around who would make much more trustworthy allies than Leoalcorn (the Zelekhut or Laenya, for instance). Plus Leoalcorn is a Tanar'ri of the Abyss, the type of fiend Zeev hates (and has hunted) the most; not only would he never trust one, but he knows theres more than enough reasons not to besides his hatred. No, Zeev wouldn't even need a sense motive check to know that he should turn this one down. Zevox
Ogre4Hire 10-10-05, 08:29 PM	In yet another shameless self-promotion, I just want to point out that for Titan 54 to be a CR 12 (which seems to be the assumption for all the contenders w/class levels), he'd be 28 HD (base of 12 at CR 8, Constructs get +1 CR/4 HD=28 HD) and a Gargantuan monster. Meaning that he'd be the biggest creature on the field. Yeah! Giant Monster, ATTACK!!!:D
talislan 10-10-05, 08:44 PM	In yet another shameless self-promotion, I just want to point out that for Titan 54 to be a CR 12 (which seems to be the assumption for all the contenders w/class levels), he'd be 28 HD (base of 12 at CR 8, Constructs get +1 CR/4 HD=28 HD) and a Gargantuan monster. Meaning that he'd be the biggest creature on the field. Yeah! Giant Monster, ATTACK!!!:D That is scary, but it can't stop hydra heads rergrowing, can't fly, doesn't have range attacks, can't see invisible and can't get out of the juggernaut's way. It will take a long time to take it down but Titan 54 will be toast by the end (along with all of my nominations)
Wotc_Mark 10-11-05, 01:41 PM	The Battle Continues ARDy: After the opening week of battle, “Gelatinous Man,” the Human Oozemaster, has been the first competitor to fall. Little more than a revolting puddle, “Gelatinous Man” managed to lurk unnoticed along the corners of the arena – until the hydra accidentally stumbled upon him, viciously attacking this stinging blob until mere splattered patches remained. With the first to fall, the next competitor has been allowed to enter. Another massive gate creaked open – and in rolled the mighty juggernaut, heading straight for Titan 54… Cast your vote for who you want to see win the battle, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050930a --MJ
Purkake 10-11-05, 02:51 PM	:rant: Stupid hydra, watch where you step :rant: And when will you add the REAL monsters?
Etiquette_Gnome 10-11-05, 03:03 PM	Curse the popularity contest element. I just can't see where the hydra would lose out to the warforged, it seems like the biggie of the group. I believe it was noted before, but that Juggernaut thing is downright silly. Forcecage AT WILL!?! Except for the vrock and the nycaloth, none of the monsters can resist that spell, and neither of them can do the damage neccessary to overcome the DR & fast healing.
Rhadamanthus 10-11-05, 03:30 PM	That friggin Warforged Titan is going DOWN! Who cares if he's an early favorite, he won't make it much further...not against my reaper anyway :D . This round, I'm going for the hydra. I just love multiheaded creatures. It's a thing. Plus, the way he turned that jello-man into pudding (bad pun)? That was schweet. Dozen heads of death, go! At least until the reaper gets there. I think I'll call the reaper Terminus, after a latin word for death. Yes, Terminus, take your revenge on the living. And also the not living. Aw hell, just take your revenge.
Zevox 10-11-05, 03:41 PM	Well, as our previous hints indicated, Gelatinous Man the Oozemaster has been the first to fall. My vote, of course, remains unchanged by this, but just for the fun of it I'll do a predictions based on if this were a true battle thing again :D : Juggernaut vs. Titan 54: As indicated by Ardy, these two would go at it - both are big, both are constructs, and with Titan unchallenged to now they're the most obvious threats to each other. A battle between these two will propably remained unresolved for many rounds as they pound away, but ultimately I'm thinking Juggernaut would come out in more or less one piece, and the Titan less so. Sir Zeev vs. Leoalcorn: Still no info on WotC's interpretation of Zeev's combat abilities, so going again by mine, the arial battle continues, Zeev firing blessed arrows and slashing with his evil outsider bane falchion, and Leoalcorn countering with claw, talon, and spores. Indications are that Leoalcorn is tiring and could well fall to Zeev's onslaught by the next round, at least if Ardy's report is accurate. Heres hoping for a falling pile of demonic feathers next week :angel: . Rhandis, Tallis, Zelekhut: Rhandis and Tallis have stayed out of the fight thus far, and no word on the Zelekhut's actions has come yet. If the Zelekhut hasn't joined Zeev's battle against Leoalcorn, his next most likely targets are undoubtably these two, the sneaking killer-types. In such a battle I'd predict the Zelekhut to come out on top, or at least to take Tallis down, since no sneak attacks work on him. Of course, if the Zelekhut joins Zeev, then Tallis and Rhandis are again left to either hide away or strike each other down. Hydra: After pounding the Oozemaster into a puddle, this guy may be taking a bit of a rest. If he doesn't, he'd have two groups to choose from, being incapable of flight - the Juggernaut/Titan battle, or Rhandis and Tallis (and maybe the Zelekhut with them). Being unintelligent as it is, I wouldn't put it past it to think Tallis and Rhandis easy targets. It'd probably bring one of them down if it attacked, but if they worked together the Hydra would ultimately fall. Zevox
larrycrack 10-11-05, 03:49 PM	The Titan is so much cheese it stinks of Limburger. And now the Juggernaut, an almost carbon copy M:TG clone, has added to the fermentation. I say go "Greek" all the way and take the classic 12-headed hydra!!!!
tiercel 10-11-05, 04:05 PM	I believe it was noted before, but that Juggernaut thing is downright silly. Forcecage AT WILL!?! Except for the vrock and the nycaloth, none of the monsters can resist that spell, and neither of them can do the damage neccessary to overcome the DR & fast healing.Oh, yes. In the nomination thread I ranted at some length about the juggernaut (http://www.wizards.com/leaving.asp?url=http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7155666&postcount=82&origin=) and how its abilities seemed *rather* inappropriate for its CR. I don't know if it was already essentially "in" at that point or whether, in a fit of irony, I somehow made the case for its Mighty Awesome Power. If nothing else, with some kind of reasonable programming, it can wall off its opponents and/or itself (forcecage, wall of force) whenever it sustains a certain level of damage and simply fast heal. In a pure arena setting (as opposed to an election setting), I don't know that the juggernaut goes down at all unless an impromptu alliance of several of the other combatants forms and they try to take it down in force simultaneously. (Even then, eliminating it will be difficult and leaves alliance members open to cheap shots from non-alliance lurkers in the arena.) If I had to vote for who I thought the strongest of the competitors was, I guess I'd have to vote juggernaut. On the other hand, if there were an infinite-awaken-recursion-cheese sorcerer in the pit, I guess you could argue I should vote for him instead -- but I wouldn't. At some point it's not power, it's cheese, and to me the juggernaut crosses that line, at least at its listed CR. (And at some reasonably higher CR, it probably wouldn't be in this arena, since it wouldn't qualify.) -------- As for the others: both in electioneering, and in the arena (where it faces a nemesis in Sir Zeev and his possible ally the zelekhut) it looks like the vrock is worse for the wear -- unless it gets some help it's probably victim #2. With the constructs likely tearing into each other, I think the hydra leaves them alone, looking for more edible targets. Constructs don't make for very good eating, and the hydra isn't completely unintelligent -- at Int 2, it has dog or horse level intelligence. Let the stone and metal things hit each other, and go snack on something to wash that ooze taste out of its mouths. The two contestants in the shadows will likely each try to turn the hydra's attention to the other (or one of the other contestants), all while avoiding its attention themselves. Hey, why get into a fight yourself when you can get Big Ugly to do most of your work for you?
Unlit.Candle 10-11-05, 05:10 PM	I have been around in the gaming world for a long time, even though he is not in the ring yet I am putting my money on: Mummified Minotaur of Legend (Khan the Destroyer)
lightman 10-11-05, 06:08 PM	People don't like pudding, do they? I mean, gelantious cube and the gentantious man both got voted out first. I voted for da man!
Prak, the Mad 10-11-05, 08:07 PM	Leoalcorn tiring? He's a demon! outsiders don't need to eat, sleep or breathe, Sir Zeev however... the best Zeev could hope for is that Leoalcorn would be laughing his ass off about the oozemaster dying... Leoalcorn would be using his telekinesis to full effect, especially since he doesn't need to hit an ac to grab things with it, he would grab Zeev and his mount and slam him against the arena walls a few times, also not needing to hit an ac :P , he would then turn his attention to the other fiends(the nycaloth and the other one... I think there's another)
O'mega 10-11-05, 09:28 PM	Good to see Titan 54 stomped his way into voter's hearts... lets go for that again! Sure, the juggernaut is a rolly engine of construct doom, but it's rolling squishing-ness wont affect 54, he's just too big! Pummel it, Titan!
Wotc_Mark 10-11-05, 10:40 PM	And when will you add the REAL monsters?... um... in the next 8 weeks I expect... just prepare yourself for a few suprises :devil: Curse the popularity contest element. I just can't see where the hydra would lose out to the warforged, it seems like the biggie of the group.The hydra didnt win the popular vote but while the warforged titan was busy he got a chance to tear appart the poor oozemaster.... Remember folks ... the best way to get rid of a creature in the early rounds is to vote for who you think would be the worst/last choice over the one you would like to see eliminated.... BTW: right now we are looking at doing up the stats for the winner or maybee final two as a D&D Fight Club article and a possible cameo(or more) in a future online adventure. MJ :cool:
Zevox 10-12-05, 12:23 AM	Leoalcorn tiring? He's a demon! outsiders don't need to eat, sleep or breathe, Bah, the lack of need for food or sleep (outsiders do need to breath) doesn't make him exempt from fatigue, or from the wounds of blessed arrows and blades. Leoalcorn would be using his telekinesis to full effect, especially since he doesn't need to hit an ac to grab things with it, he would grab Zeev and his mount and slam him against the arena walls a few times, also not needing to hit an ac :P Bah, now you're just exaggerating. Doing that allows Zeev a will save, and at a DC of only 18 its not inconcievable that even at a low save of +4-5 (dependant on will pre-periapt bonus) he'd make it a few times. And even doing so just lets him fire off arrows after he hits the wall and before Leoalcorn's next Telekinesis. Besides, he couldn't affect his mount anyway - at caster level 12 hes limited to 300 lbs max for telekinesis, and the typical Pegasus is 1,500 lbs. And if he knocked Zeev off, his mount would just rescue him. he would then turn his attention to the other fiends(the nycaloth and the other one... I think there's another Just the Nycaloth, unless you count the Fiendish Intellect Devourer. But he has to survive until the Nycaloth or Intellect Devourer get released first, which Ardy's report indicates isn't likely :P . Go Sir Zeev! Zevox
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-12-05, 03:02 AM	And now the Juggernaut, an almost carbon copy M:TG clone, has added to the fermentation. My god, something that has been in DnD since 1e copied something in a game that didn't even exist until years later! Gygax had a time machine! Anyways, I go for the Juggernaut. Loved the thing since I first saw it in 2e.
Lazaro 10-12-05, 10:10 AM	The Lord of Blades decrees that Titan 54 must win!!
Balor von Balorvitch 10-12-05, 12:03 PM	This Juggernaut is one of the strangest, hard to place, inconcievably hard to kill, monster but in this arena setting it would be a damn zambony cleaning the ice of dead bodys it made in its terror. You need to fly to get out of his way or end up in the wood chipper. Disco Inferno Warforged better watch out! There is a better kill bot in town! When in doubt how to beat the Juggernaut use Branigans law on killing kill bots...... Send wave after wave of competiors at him eventually he will reach his kill limit and shut down LOL :ayyyy!:
Hedstrong 10-12-05, 04:49 PM	Ok seriously pple do you REALLY think that the only way to kill a hydra is the chop off its heads?The 54'll just take the nibling heads and send its axe through the dang things rib cage! It's made for war, it'll DEFINATLY have atleast SOME info on alternative ways of killing. GO TITAN 54!
Prak, the Mad 10-12-05, 05:23 PM	hey mark, could you put the vrock's name with it in the roster so that it's not just "Vrock Ranger" but rather ""Leoalcorn", Vrock Ranger"?
Etiquette_Gnome 10-12-05, 08:11 PM	I just consider the juggernaut too much for this competition, and from here on out, I shall ignore its presence for choice purposes. It's one of the more broken examples of a monster I've seen in some time for its CR...therefore, not worth considering... Alas, I need to go back to my original choice...the vrock, for reasons mentioned previously.
Wotc_Mark 10-12-05, 08:35 PM	hey mark, could you put the vrock's name with it in the roster so that it's not just "Vrock Ranger" but rather ""Leoalcorn", Vrock Ranger"?Sure ... although its looking kinda bleak for our friendly Vrock... --MJ
Slagger the Chuul 10-12-05, 09:33 PM	On that note, I think "Taibo" would be a suitable name for the ethereal filcher monk. It may get me shot by some people, but that's life (it's a different spelling and no-one in a fantasy world has ever heard of that, anyway). :P
Yasumoto 10-12-05, 10:40 PM	Aasimar Cleric (Sir Zeev) for the win!
Mekboyjohn 10-13-05, 07:40 AM	Ok, Here's how it's really going to go down. Titan 54 vs Juggernaut Titan 54 going to kick Juggernaut's tailgate real bad, until Juggernaut trys to trick 54 into granting him mercy. Juggernaut then uses his ward to blast a few hole into 54. Before he dies, 54 hands the matrix of warforgedness to Inevitable the Zelekhut. Inevitable vs Juggernaut Juggernaut kicking the ever loving law out of Inevitable, until he opens the matrix and becomes INEVITABLE 54! He then throws Juggernaut out the window. Inevitable 54 vs the godforged It turns out the arena is really the godforged's head which Invitable 54 blows up with the matrix. He and all his mates escape in really cool way.
Ogre4Hire 10-13-05, 06:14 PM	I have to say that I thought the Juggernaught was the second most broken creature for its CR in the MM2. First prize in that respect goes hands down to the Adamantine Horror. CR 9 with at will Implosion and Mordenkainen's Disjunction.
tiercel 10-13-05, 06:39 PM	Heh, with a few other people annoyed at the Juggernaut's brokenness too, I was just imagining a way for the Juggernaut to actually lose in the arena: Juggernaut forcecages and/or wall of forces everyone in the arena. All fighting stops. Nothing happens. The bored crowd increasingly boos until the Juggernaut is escorted off the battlefield; judges with a staff of disintegration clear the arena. (OK, I know this wouldn't really happen unless none of the combatants have any access to dimensional travel or even disintegrate, but, still, it is fun to imagine the Juggernaut as a victim of its own rank cheese. Besides, anyone who could dimensionally travel might just decide not to, just to see the Juggernaut marched out.)
Verin 10-13-05, 06:57 PM	Rhandis still my favorite
KhanSemus 10-13-05, 11:31 PM	You all know it's gonna come down to Titan 54 and the Minotaur of Legend. Now, someone said the Minotaur's name was Khan, which gives him my vote when he enters the arena, but I've always been partial to Warforged (except for warforged ninjas, cause succubus' are so much better looking)
Zevox 10-14-05, 09:59 AM	You all know it's gonna come down to Titan 54 and the Minotaur of Legend. Eh, I don't think so. I'd tend to expect that once some of the other competitors enter the ring (Taibo, Laenya, the Nycaloth, and the Minotaur especially) the Warforged's support will eventually die down. Oh, he'll be in the last half of those leaving, to be sure, but I just don't see him making the last 2 like that. Zevox
chimp man 10-14-05, 06:00 PM	so i am the only one who likes the hydra? ok heres his tatics. ROUND 1. bite off a head or two in a coner ROUND 2. let regrow ROUND 3. look for week oponent ROUND 3 . FULL ATTACK!!! ROUND 4. pick up dead oppent ROUND 5. throw dead oppent at flying oppent ROUND 6 AND BEYOND REPEAT
chimp man 10-14-05, 06:26 PM	This hydra has an interesting backstorie.He hates wimps. he will go for weak classes(Go as in attack).He hates drugs and will kill people who are high.He will go for food.Since well other people make ther monsters well unequke.he has things that make that make him special 6 times per day he can create a 4D6 fireball.20 points of fire or acid will kill a stump but it onley makes one new head execpt for the first 3 head kills.he has a +2 bounes.[GO HYDRA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 10-14-05, 08:32 PM	*Appears out of shadows* Rhandis has my vote, and one well-placed blow from his mindblade will bring on the hurt. (leans back, envisioning a fight like in Advent Children) Most foes never see him thanks to Shadow Cloak until their dying breath. It'll be interesting how this turns out. If he should fall, then the hydra can have a buffet off everyone present.
walker on the horizon 10-14-05, 08:33 PM	WarforgedT54 Round 1. Hulk smash :inlove: Round 2. Jump Hulk smash :inlove: Round 3. REPEAT :inlove:
KhanSemus 10-15-05, 01:09 AM	Eh, I don't think so. I'd tend to expect that once some of the other competitors enter the ring (Taibo, Laenya, the Nycaloth, and the Minotaur especially) the Warforged's support will eventually die down. Oh, he'll be in the last half of those leaving, to be sure, but I just don't see him making the last 2 like that. Zevox I actually see the Aasimar making it far enough to erase most of the fiends, but still falling. The Eladrin will fall, most likely to the Soulknife, but he has to come out eventually. The Juggernaught falls to the combined might of the Hydra and Titan but Titan turns Hydra into a stain. Taibo will fall to the Inevitable, who I am suprised is still in. The human is dead the moment he steps out, blame the Satyr. The only one who could take the lead is the Reaper, course, the Titan is immune to the entropy, so no issues.
Zevox 10-15-05, 09:29 AM	I actually see the Aasimar making it far enough to erase most of the fiends, but still falling. The Eladrin will fall, most likely to the Soulknife, but he has to come out eventually. The Juggernaught falls to the combined might of the Hydra and Titan but Titan turns Hydra into a stain. Taibo will fall to the Inevitable, who I am suprised is still in. The human is dead the moment he steps out, blame the Satyr. The only one who could take the lead is the Reaper, course, the Titan is immune to the entropy, so no issues. Seems we simply disagree on how this will play out. Unless Laenya is added within a few weeks, I don't expect Rhandis to still be around when she enters the ring, and I fully expect her to be among the last leaving if she doesn't win. The Juggernaught I'm not sure of, but if the "its way too overpowered to vote for" opinion shared by many on these boards holds true with voters that don't post, I'd say he'll fall in the first half of the tournament. The Hydra I expect will make it to the second half at least, though I think he'll fall before the Titan. Taibo and the Inevitable will likely be there too, and I wouldn't be surprised if Taibo reaches the finals. Tallis I expect will be our third dead - don't forget, he was said last week to have been garnering weak support. Harold I agree won't last long once hes added to the ring. The Reaper I don't expect to do well either, and as I said I expect the Titan's support to die down as new guys enter the ring, eventually doing him in come the second half. As for Zeev, my hope is (of course) to see him go all the way, but I know enough not to expect that - I'd say he'll fall somewhere in the middle of the tournament, hopefully after we pass the halfway point at least. Guess the only way to find out which of us is (more) correct is to wait and see, eh? ;) Zevox
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KhanSemus 10-15-05, 11:52 AM	Seems we simply disagree on how this will play out. Unless Laenya is added within a few weeks, I don't expect Rhandis to still be around when she enters the ring, and I fully expect her to be among the last leaving if she doesn't win. The Juggernaught I'm not sure of, but if the "its way too overpowered to vote for" opinion shared by many on these boards holds true with voters that don't post, I'd say he'll fall in the first half of the tournament. The Hydra I expect will make it to the second half at least, though I think he'll fall before the Titan. Taibo and the Inevitable will likely be there too, and I wouldn't be surprised if Taibo reaches the finals. Tallis I expect will be our third dead - don't forget, he was said last week to have been garnering weak support. Harold I agree won't last long once hes added to the ring. The Reaper I don't expect to do well either, and as I said I expect the Titan's support to die down as new guys enter the ring, eventually doing him in come the second half. As for Zeev, my hope is (of course) to see him go all the way, but I know enough not to expect that - I'd say he'll fall somewhere in the middle of the tournament, hopefully after we pass the halfway point at least. Guess the only way to find out which of us is (more) correct is to wait and see, eh? ;) Zevox As long as the Aasimar lasts, there is no trouble from most of the new fighters, as alot are fiends. When the Eladrin enters, it's not gonna change anything, as she can't take down anyone. Her only talent is to not be hit, due to the small size and Ball of Light thing. I think the Filcher might go after her. I still don't see my prediction changing, but I'll give you that it's still fluid.
Zevox 10-15-05, 12:40 PM	When the Eladrin enters, it's not gonna change anything, as she can't take down anyone. Her only talent is to not be hit, due to the small size and Ball of Light thing. Forget so soon that Laenya's a Warlock? That means she can head into the skies and start firing off Eldritch Blasts at everything that moves. And if shes got the Eldritch Spear invocation (which she could have even with just 1 level of Warlock) then she doesn't even need to stay within 60 feet of the floor to make her hits. Dependant on her other invocations (I'm not sure how many levels of Warlock she could have to fit in the CR12 limit), she could well be in the best position of any of the combatants there if the evil flyers fall to Sir Zeev and the Zelekhut (whom would likely ignore her in favor of the more monsterous and wicked opponents, or perhaps even ally with her [in Zeev's case at least]). Zevox
Greenintern 10-15-05, 03:51 PM	Ok, Here's how it's really going to go down. Titan 54 vs Juggernaut Titan 54 going to kick Juggernaut's tailgate real bad, until Juggernaut trys to trick 54 into granting him mercy. Juggernaut then uses his ward to blast a few hole into 54. Before he dies, 54 hands the matrix of warforgedness to Inevitable the Zelekhut. Inevitable vs Juggernaut Juggernaut kicking the ever loving law out of Inevitable, until he opens the matrix and becomes INEVITABLE 54! He then throws Juggernaut out the window. Inevitable 54 vs the godforged It turns out the arena is really the godforged's head which Invitable 54 blows up with the matrix. He and all his mates escape in really cool way. You've got the touch...You've got the power.. The Juggernaut is going to to beat down on Titan 54, for all the aforementioned brokenness. Not to say I'm rooting for it. Personally, I want Harold the Mighty to win.
KhanSemus 10-16-05, 12:21 AM	Forget so soon that Laenya's a Warlock? That means she can head into the skies and start firing off Eldritch Blasts at everything that moves. And if shes got the Eldritch Spear invocation (which she could have even with just 1 level of Warlock) then she doesn't even need to stay within 60 feet of the floor to make her hits. Dependant on her other invocations (I'm not sure how many levels of Warlock she could have to fit in the CR12 limit), she could well be in the best position of any of the combatants there if the evil flyers fall to Sir Zeev and the Zelekhut (whom would likely ignore her in favor of the more monsterous and wicked opponents, or perhaps even ally with her [in Zeev's case at least]). Zevox I don't know, have you seen the average Titan's Jump skills? That may help the 'Forged out.
Zevox 10-16-05, 09:18 AM	I don't know, have you seen the average Titan's Jump skills? That may help the 'Forged out. I have now (thank you D&D minis :D ), but that wouldn't help him. Even without Eldritch Spear, Laenya can hit anyone from a distance of 60 feet. To jump even 8 feet high with a running start requires a DC 32 Jump check, which is already the average Titan's jump skill bonus. Doing the math based off the table in the PHB, to get up to 60 feet in height with a running start would require a DC 240 check - no way even a Warforged Titan with advanced HD is making that. And if Laenya has Eldritch Spear... well, even if she doesn't no one could getting anywhere near her without flying, so I guess I don't need to bring that condition up ;) . Zevox
KhanSemus 10-16-05, 01:48 PM	I have now (thank you D&D minis :D ), but that wouldn't help him. Even without Eldritch Spear, Laenya can hit anyone from a distance of 60 feet. To jump even 8 feet high with a running start requires a DC 32 Jump check, which is already the average Titan's jump skill bonus. Doing the math based off the table in the PHB, to get up to 60 feet in height with a running start would require a DC 240 check - no way even a Warforged Titan with advanced HD is making that. And if Laenya has Eldritch Spear... well, even if she doesn't no one could getting anywhere near her without flying, so I guess I don't need to bring that condition up ;) . Zevox Ok, the Titan isn't taking her down. The Vrock is most likely dead already, so it would have to be someone with range or good spell-like abilities. That puts it at the Inevitable taking her down (an unlikely choice) or the Yugoloth with it's flight.
Zevox 10-16-05, 03:09 PM	Ok, the Titan isn't taking her down. The Vrock is most likely dead already, so it would have to be someone with range or good spell-like abilities. That puts it at the Inevitable taking her down (an unlikely choice) or the Yugoloth with it's flight. True. Which is precisely why I said she may be in the best position of the combatants if Zeev and the Zelekhut bring the evil flyers down. If they don't, she'll find herself with more than enough problems to deal with. Zevox
tiercel 10-16-05, 06:34 PM	Just a point about flying: A number of the competitors have class levels, which means they have at least some gear commensurate with those levels. Even competitors without class levels have treasure. Intelligent creatures with treasure will have at least some of that treasure in useful form. That is to say, I would imagine any intelligent creature with resources entering this arena would have some way to fly, or deal with flying creatures -- a potion of fly being but one of the simplest (though, admittedly, vulnerable to dispel at any reasonable caster level). Just because a creature does not have an innate flying ability doesn't mean it is categorically unable to fly for the purposes of this competition.
Slagger the Chuul 10-16-05, 09:07 PM	Doing the math based off the table in the PHB, to get up to 60 feet in height with a running start would require a DC 240 check - no way even a Warforged Titan with advanced HD is making that. Not that it really matters, but to reach a creature 60 feet off the ground, Titan 54 would only need to clear 30, not 60, feet; its own height and its reach will account for the other 30 feet.
talislan 10-16-05, 10:13 PM	The juggernaut enters the area. It moves forward. Titan 54 steps to the side to hit the hydra and juggernaut keeps moving. Its unstoppable so when it gets to the other side of the arena it crashes through the wall and leaves, getting eliminated. I figure everyone hates it. Its not going to get votes and its exit will be easy to explain.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-17-05, 09:57 AM	The juggernaut enters the area. It moves forward. Titan 54 steps to the side to hit the hydra and juggernaut keeps moving. Its unstoppable so when it gets to the other side of the arena it crashes through the wall and leaves, getting eliminated. I figure everyone hates it. Its not going to get votes and its exit will be easy to explain. I enjoy your wishful thinking LOL.
Sadrin Thunderclaw 10-17-05, 10:20 PM	LOL everyone seems to go for either the biggest/brokenest monsters or the ones that have the weirdest mix....not that im an expert on anything. frankly i just want the reaper to win for it has decided you all must die. do i think it will win.....no but when it doesnt it will just come on reap your eternal soul the day after the competition. what the heck i dont care if it wins or losses as long as it doesnt fall the first week its in. and the rants go on. lol maybe the little eldrain thing could grab its scythe and play with it. or maybe thats just me ranting and imagining death and destruction? whatever as long as chaos reigns in the arena!!!! P.S: I HOPE THE BARD DIES!!!!!! I HATE BARDS!!!!!!!
tiercel 10-18-05, 05:25 AM	P.S: I HOPE THE BARD DIES!!!!!! I HATE BARDS!!!!!!!Why do people hate bards? Is it because of the popular portrayal of bards? Webcomics from Adventurers! (http://www.adventurers-comic.com/) to Order of the Stick (http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/GiantITP/ootscript) get endless laugh tracks at "ho ho ho look how useless the bard is." Thomas Miller's online opus, The Adventurers (http://www.peldor.com/), spans well over 800 story entries now, and as far as I know only even directly mentions, much less gives any screen time, to a bard, and that only once -- and he gets a bit part exactly long enough for one of his companions to mock his uselessness. Even the Dead Gentlemen (http://www.the-gamers.com/media.asp), of "The Gamers" fame, have to turn an extended LotR riff into commentary on the uselessness of bards in their "teaser trailer" for Gamers: Second Edition (a trailer which appears to have very little indeed to do with the actual next movie, heh). There just aren't many positive portrayals of the bard. Dominic Deegan (http://www.dominic-deegan.com/) is one of the few I can think of immediately; the strip's namesakes' father is a retired (more or less) bard and secondary character who has seen some more screen time in the current story arc. If your only experience with bards is someone who started a bard character, pranced about singing bardsong while flailing directly, wildly, unbuffed, and ineffectually into melee, then you haven't seen a bard living up to potential. You might as well say, "well I had this one guy, he was playing our wizard, and all he would ever do is use charges out of his wand of magic missile, we had to tell him to mem teleport -- gods, wizards suck" or "we had this cleric, I dunno what god he worshipped he never talked about it, all he did was sit around and give us heals after the fight he was stupid in a fight clerics are boring, I'll never play one because they suck." Give bards a chance!
keithit 10-18-05, 08:15 AM	I know there is no way for it to happen . . . but i REALLY like the Satyr Assassin. Interesting combo, and if you think about it, party in the woods camping. Proper preparation, that satyr could destroy them. Not to mention if he has any fey friends running around. Though if the Satyr doesn't win (and i have a feeling it won't) VIVA LOS SOULKNIFE!
Wotc_Mark 10-18-05, 02:36 PM	Two Fall in Week 2! (Week 3) ARDy: Fitting that the second week of battle saw not one, but two competitors defeated in the arena! After suffering severe wounds the first week, the vrock ranger thought to escape to the air – only to be snatched by the hydra and torn apart by its multiple heads. And once the juggernaut entered, the remaining competitors saw it as a true threat. The inevitable, the aasimar, and even the satyr assassin banded together against the rolling menace, and brought down the virtually unstoppable war machine. Two fall, and two enter: this week, it’s the mummified minotaur of legend and the entropic reaper! We looked for Harold the Mighty to join the fight, but the braggart could not be found… Cast your vote for who you want to see win the battle, and remember: the lowest vote getter will be dragged, bleeding and broken, from the arena while a new competitor will enter to take its place. ======================================== ======== The vote was truely a tie for last place... I could hardly believe my eyes... MJ :cool:
Zevox 10-18-05, 04:24 PM	:mymy: Wow. A straight-up tie for last place? I never would have seen that coming - can we get a number on what percent of the vote fell to each of the losers, out of curiousity? Anyway, the fall of the Vrock and Juggernaut still leaves my vote unchanged - Sir Zeev for the win! But the two replacement creatures are formidable - one a legendary mummified minotaur warrior, the other a supernatural killing machine (almost literally). No doubt they'll steal a number of votes away from the other competitors that the Juggernaut just didn't manage to nab when it appeared in week 2. Anyway, back to the combat speculation: Sir Zeev: With the Vrock vanquished, Zeev and the Zelekhut are the only known fliers left. Since the Zelekhut is likely to take a much bigger interest in the other competitors than in Zeev, hes free to pull a Bellerophon on the others and rain a few volleys of arrows upon thier heads from pegasusback - giving him a chance to rest a bit as he does so. Prime targets would be the Reaper, the Minotaur, Tallis, and Rhandis. Tallis & Rhandis vs. Entropic Reaper vs. Zelekhut: Entering into the ring with Zeev in flight and most of the other competitors being either undead (Minotaur) or unliving (Zelekhut, Titan) leaves the Reaper with a limited selection of targets - unless it wants to take on the large and formidable Hydra first, Tallies and Rhandis are in for it. I'm not sure what the normal properties of the "Entropic" enchantment are (anyone care to post them?), but even just the addition could easily prove fatal - a DC21 fortitude check isn't something an assassin or soulknife is going to be able to handle easily, and failing that could prove fatal. Being undead the Reaper is immune to sneak attacks, so he has a significant advantage over these foes. However, as a highly chaotic creature hes also the prime target for the Zelekhut who, as a construct, is immune to the fortitude-dependant effect of the Reaper's scythe. Both creatures strokes would be subject to the other's damage reduction (Reaper's weapon isn't chaotic, Zelekhut's aren't cold iron), but the Zelekhut has the advantage of doing electrical damage with it's blows plus a 10 foot reach instead of a 5ft. one. Of course, the Reaper also hits harder, but the Zelekhut's high ac could prove tough for the Reaper to hit unless it sacrifices the use of its Power Attack feat, thus putting them at relatively even footing. Ultimately, that means that the Reaper is the most likely to come out alive (so to speak), since it has a high hp and the Zelekhut has already done some fighting. Hydra vs. Mummified Minotaur vs. Titan: With the Titan and Hydra being the biggest fellas around, they'd likely target each other next - and the Minotaur would also likely see them as its biggest threats. The only thing I'd say for certain about such a clash of the titans would be that the wearied Hydra would likely fall in the process. As for the Minotaur and Warforged, thats anyone's guess. Still long-winded, Zevox
KhanSemus 10-18-05, 04:48 PM	:mymy: Wow. A straight-up tie for last place? I never would have seen that coming - can we get a number on what percent of the vote fell to each of the losers, out of curiousity? Anyway, the fall of the Vrock and Juggernaut still leaves my vote unchanged - Sir Zeev for the win! But the two replacement creatures are formidable - one a legendary mummified minotaur warrior, the other a supernatural killing machine (almost literally). No doubt they'll steal a number of votes away from the other competitors that the Juggernaut just didn't manage to nab when it appeared in week 2. Anyway, back to the combat speculation: Sir Zeev: With the Vrock vanquished, Zeev and the Zelekhut are the only known fliers left. Since the Zelekhut is likely to take a much bigger interest in the other competitors than in Zeev, hes free to pull a Bellerophon on the others and rain a few volleys of arrows upon thier heads from pegasusback - giving him a chance to rest a bit as he does so. Prime targets would be the Reaper, the Minotaur, Tallis, and Rhandis. Tallis & Rhandis vs. Entropic Reaper vs. Zelekhut: Entering into the ring with Zeev in flight and most of the other competitors being either undead (Minotaur) or unliving (Zelekhut, Titan) leaves the Reaper with a limited selection of targets - unless it wants to take on the large and formidable Hydra first, Tallies and Rhandis are in for it. I'm not sure what the normal properties of the "Entropic" enchantment are (anyone care to post them?), but even just the addition could easily prove fatal - a DC21 fortitude check isn't something an assassin or soulknife is going to be able to handle easily, and failing that could prove fatal. Being undead the Reaper is immune to sneak attacks, so he has a significant advantage over these foes. However, as a highly chaotic creature hes also the prime target for the Zelekhut who, as a construct, is immune to the fortitude-dependant effect of the Reaper's scythe. Both creatures strokes would be subject to the other's damage reduction (Reaper's weapon isn't chaotic, Zelekhut's aren't cold iron), but the Zelekhut has the advantage of doing electrical damage with it's blows plus a 10 foot reach instead of a 5ft. one. Of course, the Reaper also hits harder, but the Zelekhut's high ac could prove tough for the Reaper to hit unless it sacrifices the use of its Power Attack feat, thus putting them at relatively even footing. Ultimately, that means that the Reaper is the most likely to come out alive (so to speak), since it has a high hp and the Zelekhut has already done some fighting. Hydra vs. Mummified Minotaur vs. Titan: With the Titan and Hydra being the biggest fellas around, they'd likely target each other next - and the Minotaur would also likely see them as its biggest threats. The only thing I'd say for certain about such a clash of the titans would be that the wearied Hydra would likely fall in the process. As for the Minotaur and Warforged, thats anyone's guess. Still long-winded, Zevox I'll go with most of that. I'd say the Reaper wouldn't have too much luck actually getting to the smaller foes, and might go after the Hydra right from the start. Unless one of the contestants actually has weapons that can go through another's DR, it will most likely come out to be a slug-fest for the bigger/more powerful contestants. I did like a point that came up earlier, about how if we are giving some of the fighters class levels, what kind of equipment are we giving them as well? I will admit to having putting the money down on enough of the rulebooks to have stats for most of the contestants, but for creatures of Legend, I am ignorant. My new bet is Zelekhut and the Titan, especially with such tactics as ganging up on the Juggernaut. Note to admins: Could we see the voting percentages every week, please. It would make it better, and give us a chance to put it all together with more entertainment. Thanks
Rhadamanthus 10-18-05, 05:09 PM	Yes! The time has come for my reaper to dominate all! Celebration! Hey mark, d'ya think you could give him a name...say..."Terminus?" I figure he should stand named and proud among the bodies that he'll slay. VOTE FOR THE REAPER! YEAH!
Ogre4Hire 10-18-05, 05:56 PM	*Begin radio transmission* Base to Titan 54 with mission update. With the Juggernaught out of the way, you are now ordered to cease direct attacks on the Hydra. Instead, your new objective is to make use of your Awesome Blow feat in an attempt to knock other opponants into reach of the Hydra's jaws. We recommend targeting the Minotaur first, that should go a good job of softening up both targets. Base out. *End Transmission*
tiercel 10-18-05, 06:31 PM	A double elimination -- well, tasty. Can't say I'm sorry to see the juggernaut go, and these next two are interesting. Not quite sure how to size them up yet.... ...the Zelekhut has already done some fighting. ...about such a clash of the titans would be that the wearied Hydra would likely fall in the process. Let's not forget that both the Zelekhut and the Hydra have significant fast healing -- the Zelekhut can heal from at-the-point-of-destruction to undamaged in 15 rounds, and the hydra can heal from staggered to unhurt in just over 5 rounds. That's a lot faster heal rate for the hydra, but it is also a lot less likely to stay out of the way of combat in the meantime; the zelekhut, on the other hand, if significantly damaged can hang back for the current round of combat and probably heal to full or nearly so. In particular, if the Reaper is targetting the sneaky combatants, the Zelekhut might be happy to let them fight it out amongst themselves while it heals and then finish off the victor. I don't know a lot about the Reaper, but I'm guessing it really is more effective against living combatants; the minotaur, if it has standard mummy powers, certainly is as well. This means that both of these combatants will want nonliving combatants out of the arena -- so if a nonliving combatant is in trouble, they will likely "pile on" to eliminate it. This could lead to a ganging up on the warforged, if it locks horns with the hydra again... With this possible confluence of mayhem in the center, I'm betting the other contenders hang back, healing, and trying to bait and maneuver each other into reach of one of the big hitters (particularly the hydra, which has racked up two kills in two rounds!).
Wotc_Mark 10-18-05, 07:28 PM	:mymy: Wow. A straight-up tie for last place? I never would have seen that coming - can we get a number on what percent of the vote fell to each of the losers, out of curiousity?They got 8.3% and the warforged titan had the most at 22% Note to admins: Could we see the voting percentages every week, please. It would make it better, and give us a chance to put it all together with more entertainment. ThanksHmmm... I will talk with the producer... that isn't a bad Idea... MJ :cool:
Verin 10-18-05, 08:12 PM	Rhandis is my main kobold...the saytr can survive for now.
rampant 10-18-05, 08:43 PM	None Shall Stand Before The Great Minotaur Even Death Has Failed To Hold The King Of The Labyrinth Only The Warforged Offers Pause To Him Whose Name Means Victory And Even That Will Eventually Fall In Ruin Before The Horns Of The Wrath
Zevox 10-18-05, 08:47 PM	Let's not forget that both the Zelekhut and the Hydra have significant fast healing -- the Zelekhut can heal from at-the-point-of-destruction to undamaged in 15 rounds, and the hydra can heal from staggered to unhurt in just over 5 rounds. True, I'd forgotten about that. Means the Zelekhut would likely hang back in the skies for a bit before tackling the Reaper or killer-guys - surely it'd have no problem watching Tallis and/or Rhandis cut down by the Reaper. I don't know a lot about the Reaper, but I'm guessing it really is more effective against living combatants Pretty much - any weapon it wields automatically gains the "Entropic Blade" enchantment (whatever that is - I can't find it in my books) along with an enhancement which forces any foe it strikes to make a DC 21 fortitude check or suffer some very unpleasant consequences; including attacking anything in sight at random, suffering a loss to thier attack bonus, having a 50% chance to miss anything they attack, and losing 1 point of wisdom per round from the shock of the state they enter - which can kill them if they get reduced to 0 wisdom, at which point they simply discorporate into nothingness (unliving creatures like undead and constructs, being immune to such fortitude-dependant abilities, are unaffected). With this possible confluence of mayhem in the center, I'm betting the other contenders hang back, healing, and trying to bait and maneuver each other into reach of one of the big hitters (particularly the hydra, which has racked up two kills in two rounds!). Probably, though the Hydra may attract the attentions of the Minotaur and Titan just by virtue of its size and obvious strength. As I said, Zeev would take a short rest in the skies (possibly calling upon Lay on Hands or a healing spell if he needs it) and pull a Bellerophon when it comes time to attack. And as you pointed out, the Zelekhut could just rest in the air for a while as well. Certainly this gives these healing guys an advantage in the battle. Ths just gets more and more interesting by the week :) . Zevox
O'mega 10-18-05, 09:19 PM	As i hoped, the Titan is stomping his way through the opposition (with the most votes and all)... game mechanics aside, i thought i'd have a go at writing this: As the Aasimar, Zeev to the best of 54's crystal memory banks' knowledge, took to the skies to prove his mettle against the daemon bird, the ancient Warforged once again stood facing the only other competitor even close to matching it's size; the Hydra. Over the last few hours, monster and machine had danced a slow weave of destruction, toppling the obstacles in the arena like toys. The Hydra was faster on the attack and thus far had dented and buckled sections of the outer armour, but that damage was mostly cosmetic. The war-machine had endured far worse in it's centuries of campaigning. As the hydra snaked it's heads around at lightning speed for another attack upon 54, the Titan sensed the entrance of anothr competitor, one like it in many ways. Perhaps this would be the undoing of the beast before it. Grabbing two of the many incoming heads and smashing them together (allowing the rest to patter harmlessly against the feet-thick armour plating of it's baroque form), 54 stunned the Hydra and turned to greet it's fellow siege-construct. And was smashed to the floor as the Juggernaut hurled itself at the Titan's legs. Armour buckling and warping with impact, 54 struggled to find any sort of purchase on the rubble hewn floor - whilst the other competitors may have some way of returning to existance after the conflict, the Titan knew it was important it won - it's military knowledge was as precious as any nation it had safeguarded over the course of it's career. As it lumbered to it's weakened feet, the Juggenaut rounded and gathered speed, making for the Titan. This time, it was ready. Bracing itself against the wall of the arena where it had fallen, 54 raised it's huge arms and braced for impact. A resounding crunch stopped the rest of the combatants in their tracks, as they turned to momntarily watch the clash of the two mighty constructs. As the dust cleared, the result was apparent; Titan 54 had held. The Warforged was shaking with effort, but it had begun to push the Juggernaut back. The screeching of metal and stone echoed around the fighting arena, but stone was no match for metal. Gathering momentum, 54 broke from a stagger to a lumber, then a thudding, inexorable run. The rythmical pounding gait of the titan propelled the Juggernaut into the wall at the other end of the stadium, ploughing through the rubble of earlier battles. Smashing into the opposite wall, 54 used the impact to upturn the Juggernaut, placing it firmly on it's side. Then, with one huge two-handed hammer swing downwards, 54 delivered the killing blow, smashing the construct to pieces. Sorely damaged and in dire need of repair, Titan 54 turned to face the arena. Looking out it could see the gates opening to allow new challengers into the stadium, and in the skies could be seen the vrock that had been harrying he war-construct since the start of the Battle Royal. A hazy plan formed in what could be described as the mind of the Titan, as it's optical crystals tracked the movements of the daemon. Then, slowly bending to pick up a chunk of the smashed Juggernaut, 54 casually threw the debris vertically upwards a geat height and drew back a mighty fist. As the stone came back down, 54 punched... Leoalcorn crashed into the floor of the arena, it's body pierced and mangled by the grapeshot which had exploded through it's carapace. Titan 54 drew itself back to it's full height and began to march back to the centre of the arena, ready for it's next test. Vote Titan 54! ^^
worldsend 10-18-05, 09:34 PM	I just think we all need to fear the Reaper.
Slagger the Chuul 10-18-05, 11:36 PM	Not while Titan 54 is present.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 10-19-05, 12:51 AM	Rhandis may not do much now, but I have a feeling that he'll stick around for a while yet. I can see many foes who, if they spot him, charging at the fellow. That is, until the fog cloud hinders all without blindsight, allowing Rhandis time to vanish from the eyes of-or just plain assassinate-the confused foes. As for that reaper, a mindblade in longsword form, clashing with the reaper's scythe would make for a worthy spectacle that Harold the Mighty could retell later-assuming the hydra didn't eat him or he doesn't get squished by 54. As for the rest, they might stumble into each other and battle it out. The mummy can bust some heads until he too, is left to wither at the end of Rhandis's blade(s).
talislan 10-19-05, 01:18 AM	As i hoped, the Titan is stomping his way through the opposition (with the most votes and all)... game mechanics aside, i thought i'd have a go at writing ... Well I think the "most votes" crown will probably change hands now that the minotaur is in town. Nice account of the battle BTW
tiercel 10-19-05, 06:01 AM	As i hoped, the Titan is stomping his way through the opposition (with the most votes and all)... I think I mentioned this earlier but.... ...being the perceived leader in multiplayer combat, especially early on, is generally not a good thing. Competitors that survive several rounds and perceive Titan 54 as the biggest threat will start working cooperatively until that threat is eliminated. Being the strongest 1v1 (or, more to the point, being perceived as such) is a very good way to make sure others will want to eliminate you before things get down to 1v1....
Balor von Balorvitch 10-19-05, 09:05 AM	wow i think it is going to come down to the Legend,the Machine, and the Monster(hydra). Disco Inferno Warforged 54 has enough momentum to last to the end. The Hydra is pretty old school, he has been around every d&d game since the begining and thus has gained famed over the years. But the big winner will have to be Mummy Mino of Legend! He has the best back story,Templates that make sense not just slaped on, Strength and Mystic,and no ones knows what this guy will do. He is a wild card AND the number #1 contender
KhanSemus 10-19-05, 12:21 PM	Ok, thanks Mark for the stats. I will have to say that I am worried about the Titan's time left, since it cannot heal naturally. The Reaper poses no threat, and can be stomped somewhat effortlessly. However, the Titan would probably go after the Hydra (what we need is some fire thrown around, as it would prevent the Hydra's heads from regrowing and Titans have resistance 5 to all elements). My vote continues for the 'forged and I say the hydra is the next one leaving.
Meshakhad 10-19-05, 02:19 PM	I love Rhandis. He is stealthy and deadly. Though the Entropic Reaper also looks cool. I like stealthy, clever characters NOT giant combat powerhouses.
Hedstrong 10-19-05, 06:10 PM	Here's how i see it going down, The Reaper apears directly behind Tallis to make a mighty swing of its scythe and embeds its entropic blade deep inside his back. Tallis' body then horribly bubbles and melts untill all thats left is a pile of fur and goo. The other combatants stare in horror at this new horrifying combatant. Tiatan 54 and the Minotaur stop their raging battle to look at this foe and charge it together. The Reaper swings with its scythe but to its dismay realises that both are immune to its blades morbid enchantment, together the Titan and Minotaur smash the Reaper into oblivion. When all thats left is a pile of dusty bones and torn fabric, they merely shrug and lock horns (or so to speak) once again.Leaving the other combatants to do as they wish. (cough cough Rhandis silently shoving his blade between the Hydras rib cage to cut out its heart leaving the heads pointless)
talislan 10-19-05, 08:03 PM	Hydra is pretty old school, he has been around every d&d game since the begining and thus has gained famed over the years. But the big winner will have to be Mummy Mino of Legend! He has the best back story,Templates that make sense not just slaped on, Strength and Mystic,and no ones knows what this guy will do. He is a wild card AND the number #1 contender Forget being in D&D since the beginning, the Hydra has been around since Homer scribed the Odyssey. And the minotaur has been around just as long. Mummys have been around even longer, though only began appearing as villains in the early twentieth century. Forget this new fangled titan, support the old school guys!
talislan 10-19-05, 08:13 PM	Here's how i see it going down, The Reaper apears directly behind Tallis to make a mighty swing of its scythe and embeds its entropic blade deep inside his back. Tallis' body then horribly bubbles and melts untill all thats left is a pile of fur and goo. The other combatants stare in horror at this new horrifying combatant. Tiatan 54 and the Minotaur stop their raging battle to look at this foe and charge it together. The Reaper swings with its scythe but to its dismay realises that both are immune to its blades morbid enchantment, together the Titan and Minotaur smash the Reaper into oblivion. When all thats left is a pile of dusty bones and torn fabric, they merely shrug and lock horns (or so to speak) once again.Leaving the other combatants to do as they wish. (cough cough Rhandis silently shoving his blade between the Hydras rib cage to cut out its heart leaving the heads pointless) And still sitting on the wall of the area under the effects of both his spider climb and greater invisibility spells, Tallis marvels at just how well the implanted memory spell worked. It seemed the Reaper genuinely believed he had slain the satyr. He silently chuckles to himself knowing the battle is far from over and that stealth and skill shall win the day yet...
Hedstrong 10-19-05, 08:30 PM	And still sitting on the wall of the area under the effects of both his spider climb and greater invisibility spells, Tallis marvels at just how well the implanted memory spell worked. It seemed the Reaper genuinely believed he had slain the satyr. He silently chuckles to himself knowing the battle is far from over and that stealth and skill shall win the day yet... Smooth, very smooth. Though it doesnt look too good for yur furry freind im afraid, he may have the talent but not many seem to be willing to vote for him. Then again, this is just wishfull thinking, anything can happen when it comes to voting.
Greenintern 10-19-05, 10:44 PM	And still sitting on the wall of the area under the effects of both his spider climb and greater invisibility spells, Tallis marvels at just how well the implanted memory spell worked. It seemed the Reaper genuinely believed he had slain the satyr. He silently chuckles to himself knowing the battle is far from over and that stealth and skill shall win the day yet... I'm assuming the Reaper is Undead (kind of obvious, but whatever.) Wouldn't that make it immune to mind affecting effects? It looks like the Fleshies are still in for some hurt. Edi: I'm still voting for Hydra until Harold gets in.
Zevox 10-20-05, 12:31 AM	Forget being in D&D since the beginning, the Hydra has been around since Homer scribed the Odyssey. The Odyssey? I thought the Hydra came from the myth of Heracles (Hercules) - wasn't killing it his second labor, complicated by the fact that one of its heads was immortal? Where did it appear in the Odyssey? :confused: Forget this new fangled titan, support the old school guys! You don't need to ask me twice - the Titan is the only competitor (left) in the tournament I flat out don't want to see win. ;) Zevox
talislan 10-20-05, 01:55 AM	The Odyssey? I thought the Hydra came from the myth of Heracles (Hercules) - wasn't killing it his second labor, complicated by the fact that one of its heads was immortal? Where did it appear in the Odyssey? :confused: Zevox Okay, your kung foo is better than my kung foo. I had my Greek legends all mixed up and shall vote for the Hydra by way of compensation...Oh who am I kidding? I'm voting for the minotaur because I want to see Titan54 knocked off the top perch and if my satyr goes down in the process, so be it.
KhanSemus 10-20-05, 12:34 PM	hey, arent we done with all these oldies? Vote for the Titan, show some support for Eberron and the baddest race to hit DnD, the Warforged! Yea, the Hydra is from Hercules, the Scylla (water monster) is from the Odyssey. The minotaur has been around longer though (I don't know bout mummies).
tiercel 10-20-05, 02:22 PM	Of the Big Guys (at least so far) I have to say I like the hydra. It's old school, plus it forces a group of PCs to really coordinate to bring it down: either slice-head-BURN, slice-head-BURN, or "concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer" -- if you are going to send your thief/assassin in for the kill, you'd better be pretty sure that he gets the successful death attack (with a hydra's Fort save?) or is part of enough damage before the hydra's next turn to bring it down. The hydra, because of its head-healing and massive body fast healing, isn't something you can just haphazardly nickel and dime to death. That's what makes it cool and scary. The warforged titan may be impressive, but if you can wear it down with repeated attacks isn't as nasty. As much as I like to throw a nasty Big Bruiser against my PCs, though, I like smart, capable foes with multiple tricks up their sleeves. Of course, I also like causing PC moral dilemmas, and there's nothing quite like confronting PCs with the consequences of their actions by throwing the forces of Justice after them. (Yeah, like your PCs have never done anything dubious. Can you say "collateral damage"?) After a few levels, town guards don't cut it any more, so it may be Zelekhut time. I'm not a big fan of the spiked chain but at least it makes a little bit of sense in the case of the mechanical Judge Dredd ;) and, given the vote totals listed in last round, I think I'd like to keep the Zelekhut around for a while. Assassins are cool -- don't get me wrong -- but the problem with using them on PCs is that if they are doing their job right, a PC simply wakes up dead. (And that usually doesn't make for a very good game.) Still, in the end? I think my vote goes for the bard. Maligned and misunderstood, bards are too easily dismissed out of hand and made the butt of jokes. What people don't understand is, this makes it all the easier to be a "hero." What makes the better story in basketball -- when your leading scorer steps up one more time in a clutch situation to win the game, or when a guy comes off the bench for a flurry of buckets that tip the balance? The bard is constantly "coming off the bench," whether it is to give the mage an assist with his offensive magics, save a party member with his healing, help out the rogue with his skill, or (with a little prep) help hold the line in melee. All this, and he makes everyone else better at what they do, and gets them free drinks at the local tavern ;) That Wizards saw fit to put up anti-bard screaming on their "From the message boards" part of the Creature Competition only reinforces my vote.
Grimm Ironhand 10-20-05, 05:36 PM	All shall bow before the Minotaur.The hydra's rotting heads shall bow in submission one by one as it greets it's new master.By his wrath the earth shall shake and swallow all other opponents as he laughs maniacally. "The bard is constantly "coming off the bench,"" or from under it.lol :D
Zevox 10-20-05, 07:05 PM	(Yeah, like your PCs have never done anything dubious. Can you say "collateral damage"?) And a whole lot more. Breaking and entering, theft, resisting arrest, breaking out of prisons and asylums, murder, flagrant use of charm spells, conspiracies aplenty, plotting to rule several countries, and then some. Of course, 3/5 of my PCs are evil undead (an Eidolon, a Wight, and a Half-Vampire)and the other two are insane (literally: one of them is even a cleric of our homebrew God of Insanity :looloo: ), so thats somewhat to be expected. But if they keep it up (which I've no reason to believe they won't) they'll find themselves on the recieving end of an inevitable or two soon enough (just because I've not had an excuse to use them before ;)) . Of course, that won't cause them the moral dilemas you mentioned, being the insane/evil folks they are, but it should prove fun nonetheless ;) . Zevox
sefaspawn 10-20-05, 08:03 PM	It pains me that the vrock is out. But I know that it is on its own plane killing and stalking other demons. But now that the mummified legend has entered, the heads will fly.
tiercel 10-20-05, 09:21 PM	Breaking and entering, theft, resisting arrest, breaking out of prisons and asylums, murder, flagrant use of charm spells, conspiracies aplenty, plotting to rule several countries, and then some. Heh! Sounds like a busy... few hours for your PCs ;) The interesting thing is, while yours is an evil campaign, you could probably pick a D&D campaign at random and chances are the PCs would be guilty of at least four of these things.... Heck, one time I had an evil lich-king confront the PCs with all the laws they'd broken while in his kingdom -- kind of made them pause and say, "we did really do that.... geez..." :blush: "er.... right... so we kill this guy, right? I mean he is evil, even if he has a ...point?" Of course, if you are going to have powerful and aggressive undead in your evil campaign, it's not just going to be Zelekhuts after them... it's going to be the Big Daddy of the inevitables: You hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability... it is the sound of your death...Have you looked at the Marut? That thing is nasty. (It's even nastier if you advance it *and* give it the elite array, cranking up its Str and Cha scores.... :evillaugh) </hijack> I still like the Zelekhut in the current round of competition from a battlefield perspective because of its fast-heal ability and ability to remain detached from combat for at least a few rounds. I don't know if I see it going the distance (and, since I am pro-bard, I probably want it out before Harold the Mighty shows up) but I think it could definitely go far....
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 10-20-05, 10:27 PM	On the subject of breaking laws for PCs, I was DMing a game and the players all were co-conspiritors in a dozen thefts. Unfortunately, they stole an artifact that somebody wanted to keep, and he sent Tamnis (his loyal, organic inevitable servant.) to hunt them down. Funny thing was that when the party met Tamnis, they told him the artifact was on the other party member, who was over 2 miles away by the crow flies! The creature bought it, realized he was duped and this and that, ending with the PC's retreat as the docks lay in smoldering ruins. I have so much fun making my players shake in their boots :evillaugh
Zevox 10-21-05, 01:00 AM	Of course, if you are going to have powerful and aggressive undead in your evil campaign, it's not just going to be Zelekhuts after them... it's going to be the Big Daddy of the inevitables: You hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability... it is the sound of your death...Have you looked at the Marut? That thing is nasty. (It's even nastier if you advance it *and* give it the elite array, cranking up its Str and Cha scores.... :evillaugh) Perhaps, although I'd think that the Maruts of the Forgotten Realms have better targets to take on than my party of ~ level 8 PCs (guys like Szass Tam, Larloch and his hoard of subservient liches, or Sammaster come to mind). A Zelekhut seems most fitting to me at the moment - though don't you doubt that, should they make it to the point where they're powerful enough to attract one, I won't hesitate to sick a Marut on them (maybe by that point I'll have its miniature out of the next DDM set to accurately represent it ;) ). And I'll now return you to your regularly scheduled Creature Competition (go Sir Zeev! :angel: ). Zevox
Nirako 10-21-05, 02:48 AM	This round will be the ruin of either Inevitable or the Satyr. Vanilla and contradictory competitors won't get far, and these two aren't really built for rumbles. I prefer the mummitaur myself.
Greenintern 10-22-05, 01:43 AM	Still, in the end? I think my vote goes for the bard. Maligned and misunderstood, bards are too easily dismissed out of hand and made the butt of jokes. What people don't understand is, this makes it all the easier to be a "hero." What makes the better story in basketball -- when your leading scorer steps up one more time in a clutch situation to win the game, or when a guy comes off the bench for a flurry of buckets that tip the balance? The bard is constantly "coming off the bench," whether it is to give the mage an assist with his offensive magics, save a party member with his healing, help out the rogue with his skill, or (with a little prep) help hold the line in melee. All this, and he makes everyone else better at what they do, and gets them free drinks at the local tavern ;) That Wizards saw fit to put up anti-bard screaming on their "From the message boards" part of the Creature Competition only reinforces my vote. Finally someone else who wants the bard to win. Go Harold! They'll never know what hit them.
I_am_an_undead 10-23-05, 08:00 PM	Oh, while I'm dropping by, I might say what I think about the actual competitors. Zelekuth: I like inevitables, but I like Marut more... exept when they stalk my evil lich character around the planes in hopes of killing him... AND that marut is also a priest of St-Cuthbert, grrr... anyway, the only problem I see about it is the lack of flavor compared to other competitors. :bored: Sir Zeev: A good old school paladin with angel heritage. Since the last competition saw a paladin win, that defender of good as a good chance... but I say that this time, dump the goodie to shoes, and go with the bad boys! (or the not-so-good boys, or... whatever...) :embarrass Titan 54: Aaah, the big, nasty powerhouse who is sooo liked... I, for one, say it is boring. The mere thought of this thing winning makes me shudder... oh well, I guess this is a matter of tastes. :rolleyes: Tallis: Satyrs are cool, assassins are cool. But there are far more interresting competitors in game at this instant. :shifty: Rhandis: No opinions on this guy, strangely he leaves me rather bland. :whatsthis Hydra: Again, hydras are cool but not that much interesting compared to other competitors. :shifty: Terminus: An undead, from limbo, with the looks of the grim reaper, AND a cool scythe power? :thinks: :drool: YEAAAAAH!!! I'm voting for him all the way until either he wins or get kicked out. But if he leaves the arena, he will leave in style and not because some assassin casted some mind-affecting mumbo-jumbo that wouldn't work because he is undead. :twitch: One point I don't like, the name. Come on, Terminus, while fitting, is a very ugly and laughable name. :rofl: Mummy minautor of legend: For most, a very cool monster that has very good chances in this competition. To some, the number one monster of said competition. For me, a good second choice, after Terminus. And only because it is undead. :blush: PLEASE NOT THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE MINE, AND MINE ALONE. I'M NOT REFLETING THE OPINIONS OF THE MASS, ONLY MINE. please remember that. :P
forged_shaper 10-24-05, 07:03 PM	Anyone remember "The Frighteners" with Michael J. Fox? I imagine the Entropic Reaper whippin around, a whirlwind of destruction like Death Himself. Oh, and Tallis, there's something scratched on your forehead..looks like a number... :evillaugh Vote Terminus!! :pile:
Rhadamanthus 10-24-05, 08:13 PM	One point I don't like, the name. Come on, Terminus, while fitting, is a very ugly and laughable name. Aw...it was cool when I came up with it...what, I should pick one of the other ten billion Latin words for death? You'd be surprised how many death-related names have been used. Still...I was never good at naming things... Wow, I've been reading and there's a lot of reaper-love. All right! I didn't think people would vote for him, but the lure of the undead is too good to resist! Vote Terminus! Vote for everlasting death! YEAH!
guevaramartyr 10-24-05, 08:16 PM	i personally am in favor of two of the last 3 competitors killing each other off and Harold the Coward being left alive cowering in a corner.
tiercel 10-24-05, 09:38 PM	i personally am in favor of two of the last 3 competitors killing each other off and Harold the Coward being left alive cowering in a corner.What I enjoy is that when Tallis and Rhandis hide, they are "taking to the shadows," "stalking," "prowling," etc. whereas if Harold were to do the same, he would necessarily be "cowering." Let's be practical folks -- the goal of multiplayer combat is to be the last one standing, not necessarily the one that racks up the most kills. "Under the radar" (with enough surprises to back it up) is a good everyone-for-themselves strategy. There's nothing cowardly about letting (or getting) other people do your dirty work for you.
Eliath Rooney 10-24-05, 09:50 PM	Personally, I'm for the Filcher, the Coure, and Zekelhut. The Coure is the strongest overall outsider combatant, the whole outsider thing gives it a huge advantage when resisting spells in general. Also the ability to quickened heal damage (I assume he has that one) is invaluable and also the Coure represents an inoccous threat, less likely to draw fire. Also it possesses ranged attack capabilities, reducing the likelihood that it will be injured in melee. Also the Coure and Zekelhut have the element of flight on their side, and currently the only people prepared to deal with a flying foe are Terminus (Spellcasting) , the Hydra (Largeness), The Zekelhut (Flying), and the Nycaloth (Flying). The Intellect Devourer and Bard don't have enough spell power to bring down a foe and in the time it would take them to subdue their foe they would be destroyed themselves. The Monk has something even better on its side, Etherealness. With this ability, it cannot only evade most of the melee and survive through weeks of combat, it can also dodge a huge number of magical attacks and ensure that all except Terminus, Nycaloth and Zekelhut, with their spellcasting ability, would be unable to detect him, allowing him to use his enhanced speed completely unhindered by physical or tactical obstruction. Personally my overall vote is for the Zekelhut because he claims construct immunities, magic weapons of which he cannot be disarmed enabling him to bypass all current damage reductions and strike the evasive Filcher, also it has a limited amount of magic to fall back on, as well as fast healing and significantly enhanced mobility, allowing it to stay clear of the melee for long stretches of time, thus not drawing undue attention to itself. The Zekelhut's victory is invitable. This week however I voted for Terminus because he can cause a hell of a lot of chaos and I find that amusing.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 10-24-05, 09:50 PM	Let's be practical folks -- the goal of multiplayer combat is to be the last one standing, not necessarily the one that racks up the most kills. "Under the radar" (with enough surprises to back it up) is a good everyone-for-themselves strategy. There's nothing cowardly about letting (or getting) other people do your dirty work for you. Indeed you are right, Tiercel. Those who hide tend to be the longest living. Rhandis has not revealed himself yet, and already some of the competition has been crushed. I have a feeling that our warriors, Rhandis and Harold, will be able to mop up a few foes in the battle to come.
Aneul 10-24-05, 09:55 PM	I'd just like to point out that with aproperiate spell choice, the Bard can hold his own. I don't have my PHB on me at the moment, but I think bards probably have a few tricks good versus ethereal creatures up their sleeves, and, ofcource, if we wanted to munchkin Harold to unbelievable levels, he might have transdimesional spell so that he could charm the Filcher while its on its little ethereal jaunt. When the time comes, I'm voting Bard (but until then, Warforged!).
Eliath Rooney 10-24-05, 10:01 PM	I'm not poo-pooing the bard, don't get me wrong. The bard is great against most combatants, however the transdimensional charm is completely useless against an aberration my friend. All three of my combatants I chose in large part because of their immense list of immunities. Also, the likelihood that the combatant would choose a feat that is only useful against one or two of the many combatants is so incredibly low that it's nigh inconcievable. And remember, he's a straight bard so none of this seeker of the song stuff. If he was a seeker of the song or somesuch I would totally be on your side, there would be no possibility of anyone elses victory if he played his cards even half-wisely. However, he is not and so with him being a true bard I have to discount his victory against my candidates.
KhanSemus 10-24-05, 10:12 PM	True, the filcher has an advantage but nothing has changed. last one standing is the Titan.
Eliath Rooney 10-24-05, 10:16 PM	Well, in a one on one match the Titan loses to anything with a ranged attack mode and greater manueverability, it's just a matter of time you realize yes? Also, as we saw with the juggernaut, things that threaten wide areas are frowned upon, this means that in all likelihood it will be teamed up upon by the smaller humanoids again and then it will be no more. It'll take out a good deal of people before it goes down, but the fact remains that it will go down because it can't heal or get out of the way.
guevaramartyr 10-24-05, 11:18 PM	What I enjoy is that when Tallis and Rhandis hide, they are "taking to the shadows," "stalking," "prowling," etc. whereas if Harold were to do the same, he would necessarily be "cowering." point wasnt that he is cowering. i just think it would be funnier if he was.
T.R.I.P. 10-25-05, 07:38 AM	My vote is for the minotour. With fire immunity and fast healing from his legend template and his resistance to physical attacks from his mummie template in combination with his incredible strength he wil beat the opposition to a bloody pulp.
T.R.I.P. 10-25-05, 07:54 AM	My vote is for the minotour. With fire immunity and fast healing from his legend template and his resistance to physical attacks from his mummie template in combination with his incredible strength he wil beat the opposition to a bloody pulp.
Eliath Rooney 10-25-05, 04:44 PM	I agree with you, the minotaur is by far the scariest melee combatant out there, which is precisely why he won't win. The fact is that he only has 8d8 hp and with his massive stature drawing attention to him, his lack of effective reach and lower overall hp total he'll go nova. He'll take out two or three. Make it maybe even past the third round, however he will be recognized as a threat and destroyed, people will engage him and without the ability to flee and take full advantage of his fast healing capabilities he will be destroyed.
Verin 10-25-05, 05:01 PM	Honestly I agree...the Minotaur draws too much attention and everyone'll see such an intimidating creature as a threat while Rhandis and Tailis are still shadowed and waiting to draw blades against something in its weakest moment...together the Assassin and Soul Knife have considerable skill...if they do choose to try and use the weak alliance as a way to kill one or the other then this battle is gonna take one hell of a turn towards strength over strategy for the "players". The Minotaur may be able to last afew rounds but his popularity is a blessing and a curse. My vote is still on Rhandis.
Greenintern 10-25-05, 05:07 PM	What I enjoy is that when Tallis and Rhandis hide, they are "taking to the shadows," "stalking," "prowling," etc. whereas if Harold were to do the same, he would necessarily be "cowering." Let's be practical folks -- the goal of multiplayer combat is to be the last one standing, not necessarily the one that racks up the most kills. "Under the radar" (with enough surprises to back it up) is a good everyone-for-themselves strategy. There's nothing cowardly about letting (or getting) other people do your dirty work for you. Some people here on the boards are still in deathmatch mode. A bard wouldn't be caught dead in one of those. ;)
Eliath Rooney 10-25-05, 05:09 PM	Well, the only major disadvantage that I can see that Rhandis and Tailis posses is that they lack healing capabilities, this means that if they get cornered by the Titan or the Hydra then they're dead fairly quickly, just because of the plethora of pain they're going to be feeling with very limited healing capabilities, I mean how much of your pool can you spend on healing before you need to pawn your armor or something more valuable?
talislan 10-25-05, 07:32 PM	Well, the only major disadvantage that I can see that Rhandis and Tailis posses is that they lack healing capabilities... False Life is an assassin spell. Tallis can heal himself and he won't get cornered 'cause he's too slick to do that.
Wotc_Mark 10-25-05, 08:56 PM	Inevitably Gone Victory wasn't inevitable after all -- the zelekhut has been defeated, bringing in a low 7.5% vote. The warforged titan? Still on top, but with a smaller margin this week. Warforged Titan: 18.7% Minotaur: 16.6% Entropic Reaper: 14.5% Aasimar: 14.0% Dark Stalker Soulknife: 10.9% 12-Headed Hydra: 9.0% Satyr Assassin: 8.8% Inevitable Zelekhut: 7.5% MJ :cool:
talislan 10-25-05, 09:41 PM	First my Ooze Master went down, then my inevitable and now my satyr is in trouble and I can only blow his trumpet so much. Good thing I like the minotaur over any of my nominations. He didn't outvote the Titan yet, but he will!
Hedstrong 10-25-05, 09:52 PM	Well, i'm SO glad to see they got rid of that Bard. He was a tad funny though, seeing as how he reminded me SO much of "Joxar The Mighty" from Xena. awww Sam Raimi's a genious. Cant wait to see whos the mystery competitor. If its a souped up version of the bard, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised.
Zevox 10-25-05, 10:30 PM	Well dang - my #3 choice for the competition got eliminated this week :weep: . First competitor I'm sorry to see go. Good news for me is that Sir Zeev is in the top half of the popularity charts (now, if only we can knock that Titan down a peg or two ;) ), though wether he'll stay there with Laenya entering the ring I don't know.... I am annoyed by Harold's removal though. It makes sense from a story PoV (which is good), but it just seems unfair that he wasn't even given a chance in the competition. Hopefully he'll make a surprise return once the last of the other competitors enters the ring (i.e. he'll be entering in week 8). Of course, I'm also interested in who this "mystery competitor" is. Is this one that the guys at WotC created, or is it one of the other poster nominations that didn't make the initial cut? Could be quite interesting, and the addition of a late competitor in and of itself is a nice twist to this creature competition. :cool: Zevox
Slagger the Chuul 10-25-05, 10:31 PM	If its a souped up version of the bard, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised. Ghost mermaid bard, perhaps?
tiercel 10-26-05, 12:06 AM	I am annoyed by Harold's removal though. It makes sense from a story PoV (which is good), but it just seems unfair that he wasn't even given a chance in the competition. Hopefully he'll make a surprise return once the last of the other competitors enters the ring (i.e. he'll be entering in week 8).Yeah, given I've been trying to make a pretty vocal case for the bard (and there seem to be a few folks around here who believe it too), having him "run away" without even getting a vote because a few people loudly buy into the "BARDS SUCK!!1!" mythology would just be insulting.... ...if that's what's happened. Bards are masters of drama if nothing else, so he may make a "surprise appearance" later. (If nothing else, it seems suspicious that the WotC folks would put him into the competition, watch some stir about him appear on the message boards before he even enters the arena, mention him -- twice -- in the weekly updates, yet not have him actually take part.) We get a new flyer in this week, and one who is all ranged attacks. In the arena, depending on the ceiling height, she should be able to stay out of the way pretty well of folks who are melee-focused (which is most folks in the ring it looks like). I don't see Sir Zeev going after her unless she opens fire on him first, the titan, minotaur, and hydra are probably too busy tearing up on each other, and from the look of the vote totals, Rhandis and Terminus are moving to flank Tallis. Realistically, the titan should be accruing damage while hydra is still chugging along due to fast healing, but we must have some ganging-up going on in the center. In terms of popularity, it's looking like the war-bot will cruise until everyone has entered the arena. Meh. Likely targets for the coure? Not sure... most obvious would be Terminus, or a weakened target of opportunity. (Depending on her pick of warlock abilities, she could absolutely wreak havoc on the Big Brawlers from range, which could turn the tide of the Burly Brawl in the center of the ring.)
KhanSemus 10-26-05, 12:17 AM	O come on! Everyone can tear each other apart all they want, but the people love the Titan! However, unless the Nycaloth enters next round, I don't see the Coure getting knocked out. I'm betting on the Hydra being the next one out, all heads fall in time. I expect Harold will make a return, in some form or another, cause it WAS a little cheap to just pull him out.
Yasumoto 10-26-05, 01:01 AM	I can definitely imagine the Aasimar Cleric going toe to toe with the minotaur. Whether or not he'll survive is the qu :) estion ... Good luck Sir Zeev!!!
the Horc 10-26-05, 01:32 AM	I just hope the Mystery Competitor is that Sahuagin Kensai Blackguard that I suggested. To counter the light sensitivity, I would say he'd be wearing shades. If not, my love is squarely reserved for Titan 54.
anarco_rata 10-26-05, 08:34 AM	Harold the migthy will come on the last week of battle like a refreshing wind of charisma! yes, i know that doesn't make sense, but it does sound cool. Warforged 'till the end. Go eberron.
RavinRay 10-26-05, 09:18 AM	Since the fiendish intellect devourer has a plain straightfoward write-up, and before Mark unleashes the little horror, I thought I'd provide a little more background. Bred and raised in the Abyss, this walking brain was used by its cerebrilith master to seek out and destroy rival tanar'ri before training itself on baatezu. As its victories mounted, it came to resent its master, and when the opportunity presented itself, slew the cerebrilith before escaping to the Material Plane. In battle, it uses cloud mind to sneak undetectable on bigger, more physically capable foes so that they are within range of its ego whip power. At close range, it uses id insinuation. When closing to engage in melee, it compresses itself to dodge attacks and relies on its damage reduction to protect itself until it can pounce on its opponent and claw them before overcoming them to consume their brains and animate their bodies. Owing to its fiendish nature, it particularly relishes defeating both good-aligned (meaning the aasimar and eladrin) and infernal creatures. Hmm, ultimately it hopes to go one-on-one against the soulknife, for a battle of minds.
Morka 10-26-05, 09:47 AM	I'm also sad of Harold's defection. He got a great backstory. Amongst all those monsters on amphetamines, he represented the simple, cunning adventurer, the one who always manage to win at the end. And what better class than a bard to represent an adventurer? Bards are Jack-of-all-trades, able to do a bit of anything. The problem with him is most people see this competition as an arena gladiator match, where the humble human bard stands no chance. Should it have been in some ancient dungeon, I'm sure Harold would have been the one to find the loophole in Titan 54's programation... Just guess who'll come back as a Mystery Competitor... Tallis, my favorite one, is in serious troubles. Should his invisibility spell ends at the wrong moment, I think I'll rally Sir Zeev the Aasimar. It is his duty to fight all those aberrations from the lower planes.
Garyx 10-26-05, 10:36 AM	My vote goes to the Hydra, since it has 12 heads I think it will make it to at least week 5. What im hoping fo is that the Hydra and Titan kill each othr off. I mean what would be cooler that the 2 most massive creatues going at and and in the end they both die due to extreme damage recivd by the other, although I personally think the Hydra would win with the ability to grow new heads.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-26-05, 11:29 AM	Harold was found beat back stage? LOL :rofl: I can just see the camera zoomed in on Harold beat back stage! Who could have done such a thing? Could it be....... the Succubi Paladin coming to defend her MWE (Monster Wrestling Entertainment) Championship? If so she better bring a chair! Cus i an't voting for her Good to see Mino o Legend kickin a$$ and takin names. Soon he will layth the smackth down on Disco Inferno Warforged. If this was a 'head to head competion' the Hydra would win hands down! :D but since it is battle royal... The Hydra is next!
Greenintern 10-26-05, 02:04 PM	I can just see the camera zoomed in on Harold beat back stage! Who could have done such a thing? Could it be....... the Succubi Paladin coming to defend her MWE (Monster Wrestling Entertainment) Championship? If so she better bring a chair! Cus i an't voting for her If the mystery competitor is the SP from the first Battle, I'll scream. As for Harold, I'd like to believe that WotC didn't cave to popular sentiment and kill him out of conformity. Hell, Harold may as well be running the whole show behind the scenes. With his dashing good looks and charm, he could probably set up an event like this. I'm sure he'll pop back in at the end, and claim victory over whoever is left. Harold the Mighty forever!
Falido 10-26-05, 03:27 PM	The Return of MEEPO!!!
Demon Pharo 10-26-05, 03:41 PM	Now don't go starting that Meepo stuff again
Chaotica Maxima 10-26-05, 03:49 PM	Please, not Meepo..... I'd rather see the Succubus Palladin reutrn then Meepo...... And yes Warforged! Still layin' on the smackdown!
Demon Pharo 10-26-05, 03:57 PM	Thank you!!!
Zevox 10-26-05, 04:32 PM	Ugh, what horrid ideas... please, not Meepo, and not Eludecia. Elu already had her victory, and Meepo's presence would just lead to another hundred or so annoying fanboy posts. I'd rather see something WotC cooked up at random, and I'd much rather see one of the good poster ideas that didn't make the initial 16 cut. But please, no one from the last competition. Zevox
Rhadamanthus 10-26-05, 05:17 PM	Holy Reconstituted Soy Beans, Batman! Terminus is still in the game. More than that, he's the third best out of the whole gang! That Titan's going to be in trouble with Terminus and the Minomummy crawling all over his shiny plating... :D Again, suprisingly delighted to see my Reaper doing what he does best. One construct has fallen, don't let the constructs take this one, guys! If I wasn't voting for Terminus, WHICH I AM!!!! I'd vote for the Satyr. Sneaky little devil... Sad to see Mr. Bard leave. I've played around 2 1/2 billion bards in my time, and they DO NOT SUCK! Oh...uh...you didn't hear that...Modify Memory... Go Terminus!
forged_shaper 10-26-05, 05:58 PM	WOO Yeah!! Reaper debuted at #3! Now to move up the ranks and dominate!! Go speed reaper! Go speed reaper! Go speed reaper go!!! Terminus all the way!!
O'mega 10-26-05, 06:24 PM	54 is still going strong, though the Minotaur and Reaper have pulled their fans away from him. Hopefully he'll get them back when they come round to the STOMPY effect. ^^ For now, lets see if the surely battered and dented Titan can stand up to another week of pounding by the board's Mummy advocates. As always, my vote goes to Titan 54.
Eliath Rooney 10-26-05, 09:01 PM	Wow....... these people do not approach this thing from a tactical standpoint. Erm... I vote for Coure or Filcher now, I really hope that someone will wake up and stop looking at this as a "who's the beefiest" contest. On a completely different note, I'd totally like to see an evil Avariel Seeker of the Song take everyone on. C'mon, she burns people to death with metal songs then flys about and pelts people with magic missiles and stuff.
Garyx 10-26-05, 09:46 PM	Having looked over this weeks opponents, my vote stil goes to the Hydra, given that it can regenerate its heads and health along with 12 attacks, i believe that the hydra will be around for a while. But, if he should fall, my vote goes to the reaper. I think it would be cool the see the reaper cut an opponent from nose to navel with his scythe. If both of those go down.......my vote will probaly go to the mystery opponent, depending on what it is. But ya go Hydra.
KhanSemus 10-26-05, 10:17 PM	well, i'll say it again, the Reaper has no effect on the Titan. or the Minotaur. but, yes on the Hydra. So, kill the hydra, make a hat from its head, and kill the rest of the fleshies! though, on a side note, i may vote for the secret challenger, just cause that's cool. i almost voted for meepo, but i can say i voted for the succubus every time. how do i get my self on that first voting page, in the quotes from the forum? that's cool. congrats to Zevox and talislan
MindWandererB 10-27-05, 03:01 PM	That's three for three losers I've picked so far (voted for the Juggernaut week 2, as well as the Oozemaster and the Zelekhut). Let's hope my pick for this week, Laenya, does better.
KhanSemus 10-27-05, 08:40 PM	ok, so all u've picked have lost? see, told ya zevox, the coure isnt going far. ok, i'll admit that was cold. just playin MindWandererB
Zevox 10-27-05, 10:51 PM	ok, so all u've picked have lost? see, told ya zevox, the coure isnt going far. ok, i'll admit that was cold. No problem, I can take a joke. :) But if Laenya actually does fall out next week, I'm going to be begging MindWandererB to vote for Titan 54 next time. ;) :P Zevox
MechaKingGhidra 10-27-05, 11:27 PM	Personally, I'd like to see the Hydra win. I've experimented for a few years what would happen if monster A fought monster B, and I've used hydras quite a few times as the hydra is my favourite monster(aside from, say, black dragons and styx dragons), but whenever I did, it pretty much came to a standstill every time. I'd like it to be resolved. If the hydra falls, I'll probably stop voting. But hey, that's life for ya. I'll leave with this in mind: "Hy-dra, hy-dra, hy-dra...."(repeated until sung 25 times to the tune of "Can You Do The Can-Can")
Eagle Prince 10-27-05, 11:34 PM	The only challenge Terminus would have is the paladin, but he screwed himself over with stupid demonslaying levels so I don't see any of those other punks taking down an entropic reaper. And how would a warforged titan last so long, does Titan 54 supposed to have class levels or super-advanced or something, cause warforged titans aren't even in the same league as golems.
KhanSemus 10-28-05, 12:56 AM	well, that is true. but the Titan has DR (very little at 10 but still something, the Hydra cant bypass unless it has adamantine teeth) and resistance to all energy (although who is using energy damage?). also immune to paralysis, stunning, death effects, necromancy, critical hits, nonlethal damage, fatigue, or exhaustion. Now, you know the hydra has to be tired. My only issue it that yes, the Titan cannot heal, it has to be repaired. However, if we are giving everyone else classes and such, give the Titan enchanted armor and weapons. And the only undead that has a chance is the Minotaur, the Reaper has already lost, you just dont know it yet.
BrotherDog 10-28-05, 02:33 AM	The current competition seems to have combatants submitted by posters. Were and when can ideas be submitted for the next one?
slimgoodbody 10-28-05, 04:27 AM	I picked Rhandis due to his neat backstory blurb, and the fact that his race has always intrigued me. I like how mysterious they are. They're like drow that aren't ridiculous and played out.
Zevox 10-28-05, 09:20 AM	The current competition seems to have combatants submitted by posters. Were and when can ideas be submitted for the next one? Currently, no "next one" has been announced. If a Creature Competition 3 is held, I'd expect it'll be announced shortly after this one is resolved, and a seperate thread created for poster submissions if they use that idea again (this being what happened for this competition). If its not announced shortly after this competition ends, I'd expect we either won't see a third, or it will be some time in coming. Zevox
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 10-28-05, 01:25 PM	Dark Ones forever! All these special abilities of the competitors won't mean much when Rhandis lashes out and turns the tide. That's how the masters of shadow work, you see. It wouldn't surprise me if some of those kills were thanks to Rhandis pulling the strings of the competitors :smirk: . Perhaps a simple whisper in the ear "look up," or a well timed sneak attack to weaken a foe and let another warrior mop up the mess before they realize the identity of their benefactor. The Dark One may be living, and thus be vulnerable to many powers, but half of all the attacks thrown at him will simply phase through his shadow cloak.
Rhadamanthus 10-28-05, 08:22 PM	The only challenge Terminus would have is the paladin, but he screwed himself over with stupid demonslaying levels so I don't see any of those other punks taking down an entropic reaper. Hey, don't be making too much fun of Zeevox and his knight. Granted, he's nothing compared to my reaper, but remember that he only got .5% less votes than Terminus. I'd call that some fair competition, wouldn't you? Hey, if I'm going to "reap" the benefits of my victory, I can at least be gentlemanly about it, eh?
Aneul 10-28-05, 08:22 PM	So, who would you all like to see come in as the mystery competitor? Myself, I'd throw in another Eberron monster, a Dolgaunt Monk (with aproperiate levels so as to make him CR 12). Then we could have two abberant martial artists duking it out- which would be obserdly cool. *To any WizOs out there* Yes, a Dolgaunt Monk would sure be cool.
Zevox 10-29-05, 08:42 AM	So, who would you all like to see come in as the mystery competitor? Who would we like to see? Well, obviously I'd be quite pleased if it were one of the other two guys I nominated initially - an Adult Phaerimm or a Half-Vampire Wild Elf Blackguard. Beyond that, I'd go for a good Forgotten Realms creature (we've already got an Eberron one, why not balance it out?). An advanced Nishruu or a Battle Horror perhaps, maybe a Shadow Dragon of the appropriate age. Or better yet, the Shadow Dragon Dracolich Lightman nominated :D . Or even better, a Curst Gold Elf Bladesinger :fight!: :mage: . I'd love to see how Ardy explained the defeat of a Curst, with no one on the field capable of casting Remove Curse, Disintigrate, or having any similar way to totally destroy it's body :evillaugh . Zevox
KhanSemus 10-29-05, 02:10 PM	wish i had my books with me...Paladins dont have remove curse? warlocks dont have remove curse or disintigrate? just making sure
Slagger the Chuul 10-29-05, 07:15 PM	Or even better, a Curst Gold Elf Bladesinger :fight!: :mage: . I'd love to see how Ardy explained the defeat of a Curst, with no one on the field capable of casting Remove Curse, Disintigrate, or having any similar way to totally destroy it's body :evillaugh . That's simple. You just nail it to the wall, or find some other way to completely immobilize it.
Zevox 10-29-05, 09:21 PM	wish i had my books with me...Paladins dont have remove curse? warlocks dont have remove curse or disintigrate? just making sure No Warlock invocation can duplicate the effects of either. Paladins do get Remove Curse as a 3rd level spell, but Zeev can't cast 3rd level spells (I put at a Paladin 8/Knight of the Chalice 2 when I nominated him; he gets 1 2nd level Paladin spell and 2 1st level spells from each class, presuming wisdom 14+). Zevox
KhanSemus 10-30-05, 01:12 AM	what about gear? scrolls? special abilites to contestants weapons? now, i've moved beyond the Curst and am now into overall Battle Royal
Grimm Ironhand 10-30-05, 05:05 PM	How would the Titan fair against a family of large rust monsters? (9-15 HD) :confused:
Hedstrong 10-30-05, 05:17 PM	How would the Titan fair against a family of large rust monsters? (9-15 HD) :confused: Well obviously not very well, but thats hardly the situation now is it. Hes taking on non rust monsters and an undead with a special power that does crap all to him.
Balor von Balorvitch 10-31-05, 10:26 AM	Ok if Ardy wanted to screw over 54 he would put in a rust monster (If it is i called the vampire rust monster!) but he would only distroy 54 and annoy the rest and probablily couldn't KO Harold. I personally would want that damn pally-bus to come back so it will lose! And lose bad! and thus we would have a undisputied champion.
Ironbrand 10-31-05, 02:04 PM	Titan 54 is who I vote for. Not because it's the coolest or anything rather because it has a cowcatcher for a mouth. Apparently the Titan 54 has problems with cows getting in the way of it's face and that is proof of any mighty warrior.
Grimm Ironhand 10-31-05, 04:50 PM	"Well obviously not very well, but thats hardly the situation now is it. Hes taking on non rust monsters and an undead with a special power that does crap all to him." Well maybe someone could use the idea in their campaign I suppose.You do not have to be so rude about it!
Ravag3r 10-31-05, 10:04 PM	One thing's for sure - T54 holds up a picture of Meepo and says, "Have you seen this kobold?" in a monotone voice. In all seriousness, T54 is not going to lose to the assassin, or anyone who relies upon discernable anatomy to take someone down.
Hedstrong 10-31-05, 10:08 PM	"Well obviously not very well, but thats hardly the situation now is it. Hes taking on non rust monsters and an undead with a special power that does crap all to him." Well maybe someone could use the idea in their campaign I suppose.You do not have to be so rude about it! Ah sincerest apologies good sir, i meant no rudeness by it :tiphat: merely struck me as a question with a rather obvious answer
Wotc_Mark 10-31-05, 10:49 PM	Currently, no "next one" has been announced. If a Creature Competition 3 is held, I'd expect it'll be announced shortly after this one is resolved, and a seperate thread created for poster submissions if they use that idea again (this being what happened for this competition). If its not announced shortly after this competition ends, I'd expect we either won't see a third, or it will be some time in coming. ZevoxThe next one will start sometime shortly after this one ends ... In February I believe ... and will be DRAGONS ... It will be the head-to-head format we did with competition #1 ... I will be starting a thread near the end of this competition where you will be able to nominate the types of dragons and maybee give us some names and one/two paragraph histories of those dragons... MJ :dragon:
Zevox 10-31-05, 11:36 PM	The next one will start sometime shortly after this one ends ... In February I believe ... and will be DRAGONS ... It will be the head-to-head format we did with competition #1 ... I will be starting a thread near the end of this competition where you will be able to nominate the types of dragons and maybee give us some names and one/two paragraph histories of those dragons... MJ :dragon: Truly? Thats cool :cool: . I'll have to start working up an idea for a nomination or two. Now, wheres that Draconomicron... :dragon: Zevox
KhanSemus 11-01-05, 01:47 AM	uh, Mark, come up with CRs now. I love my epic dragons (Prismatic all the way!). I'm thinking templates though.
Wotc_Mark 11-01-05, 02:37 AM	uh, Mark, come up with CRs now. I love my epic dragons (Prismatic all the way!). I'm thinking templates though.hehe ... all in due time ... the web producer Bart and I will probably sit down in early December and hammer out the details so we can get you guys started on ideas ... for now we will stay focused on the current competition ... hmmm ... I wonder who the mystery competitor will be ... MJ :cool:
RavinRay 11-01-05, 03:47 AM	The next one will start sometime shortly after this one ends and will be DRAGONS YES! YES! YES! :dragon:
Balor von Balorvitch 11-01-05, 12:21 PM	The only good dragon is a dead one! As for the mystery player i nominate Gary Gygax, i think he has a +1 mace. :evillaugh If not how about me?....... I am a vampire Balor LOL!
Fanatic-Templar 11-01-05, 01:26 PM	Although, as a pureblood goody-two-shoes, I have an affinity for Sir Zeev, I'm afraid I'll have to vote for the Hydra as a Dragon substitute. Reptilian beasts of destruction are the greatest thing to ever destroy your town. Oh, and here's hoping the mystery contestant will be Harold the Mighty!
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-01-05, 01:39 PM	A brain in a jar in an iron golem...yeah. I can see all the competitors stopping mid-swing and staring at the newest entry stupified until Harold ducks out and the brain's shell attacks.
Fanatic-Templar 11-01-05, 02:13 PM	Nooo! Not the hydra! Oh well, Sir Zeev it is then. Go Zeev!
Zevox 11-01-05, 03:24 PM	Well well! Certainly didn't see that coming - I thought for sure that this week would yield the end of either Tallis or Rhandis, not the Hydra. Also surprised (but quite happy) to see that not only has the Titan been knocked a bit further off its high horse (17.3% as opposed to 18.7% last week), but that Zeev has replaced the Reaper as the #3 competitor - perhaps an influx of former Zelekhut voters? Laenya's a bit lower in the heirarchy than I thought she'd be, but still in the running nonetheless. Ah well, my vote remains: may the champion of justice take this competition! The new competitor is interesting - another construct to give the Reaper and sneaks trouble, and not a mindless one. Should make for a good challenge for the Warforged now that the Hydra is gone :) . Zevox
RavinRay 11-01-05, 03:40 PM	No. Not another disembodied brain. The intellect devourer's gonna be so :censored: at this, this... imposter. Wait 'til it's let loose on the arena, then there's gonna be gray matter and spinal fluid splattered all over floor, and I hope/bet it's the brain-in-a-jar's. I hope there's enough brawn in one of the other fighters for the devourer to animate via body thief to give it more of a physical edge against this golem.
Wotc_Mark 11-01-05, 05:08 PM	No Heads Left Twelve heads weren’t enough for the hydra, earning a lowly 8.7% of the vote. Warforged Titan: 17.3% Minotaur: 15.7% Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 14.5% Entropic Reaper: 13.7% Dark Stalker Soulknife: 10.6% Laenya: Coure Warlock: 10.3% Satyr Assassin: 9.3% 12-Headed Hydra: 8.7% Cast Your Vote Now! (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050930a) MJ :cool:
Rhadamanthus 11-01-05, 08:09 PM	Well well well...a little undead/construct combo attack. That suits me just fine :D . Terminus, my darling creation, is still going quite strong, although I see that Zeev has overtaken him slightly. That'll change... The Titan seems to be getting weaker as the struggle goes on, and it's just a matter of time before he comes apart at the cogs. Harold in brain-form worries me with another construct on the field, but soon that brain won't be employing its' frontal lobe anymore. That multiheaded menace has been overtaken: Fast Healing 22? Not enough, b:censored:es. Once again, I urge you all: Reaper all the way! Reaper forever! Don't let those mechanical monstrosities take the day, for it belongs to the power of the scythe of chaos!
Greenintern 11-01-05, 08:19 PM	Well, I'm glad to see that my prediction of Harold running things came through. I enjoyed the Brain/Golem Combo when I first saw it on the boards. It gets my votes from now on. Remember, the golem and the brain get separate actions, because they are separate creatures!
Meshakhad 11-01-05, 08:34 PM	I am officially abandoning the Dark Stalker Soulknife for the Brain in a Jar/Iron Golem. Though if the Brain In a Jar dies, I will switch back (provided the soulknife hasn't also died).
tiercel 11-01-05, 08:52 PM	:uh-huh: Obviously I don't know the Brain in a Jar very well, because here's the first thing I imagined when I read this week's announcement: Harold: Perhaps the only mind greater than my own just entered the arena! Not even the warforged titan can stand its ground against it -- Rhandis: < just stops and stares > Terminus: < does a double-take > Sir Zeev: < is unable to completely stifle a snort of derision > Laenya: < begins giggling > Brain-in-a-Jar: FEAR ME! FEAR THE MIGH-- Laenya: < now giggling uncontrollably > Brain-in-a-Jar: THAT'S NOT FEAR! YOU-WILL-BE, EX-TERM-I-NA-- Tallis: Oh Hells, will someone do something about the genius that brought a glass JAR into an arena? Titan 54: < bashing mindlessly at the minotaur mummy, it whirls about, bumping into the hulking iron figure > Brain-in-a-Jar: < knocked from the iron golem, its glass jar shatters on the arena floor into about a hojillion pieces > NOOOOO... IM MELTING, MElllting, what a worrrrrl... Harold: < not missing a beat > --if this brainiac had gotten out of the lab a little more! On the up note, < quickly donning a thin glove and distastefully picking up the loose, quivering brain > it's Free Brain Day at Creature Competition 2! < the crowd begins cheering madly as he holds the brain out at arm's length and drop-kicks it all the way up into the mezzanine levels, where several Igors get into a scuffle trying to catch it > And now, for our next competitor!After a little digging, I found out that this critter was a homebrew monster-meld (Brain in a Jar from Libris Mortis, which I guess makes sense) from the following thread: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=482366 Clocking in at a putative CR 15 (heck, an iron golem by itself is CR 13), it falls outside the CR 8-12 submission range, but, heck, if we were worried about game balance we wouldn't have had a juggernaut in the lineup, would we? Although I know this is a fantasy setting and all, and magic is involved etc, and the critter wins points for Dalek references in its thread, a monster whose control structure is in a glass jar makes about as much sense as Star Wars having the main bridge for a Star Destroyer be sticking way outside of the main body of the ship. You think of both of them being vulnerable to the same sort of thing -- one good hit in the wrong place. Eh.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-01-05, 08:56 PM	Whats WoTCs love of the iron golem for. WoTCs Soultion to a weak monster..... Stick it in an iron golem! lol worked for the Drow Lich, #2 is not bad. But still he is basically Nixon from Futurerama with his massive robot body! LOL Still waiting for the Rust monster to come in and mop up on these dudes. Mum Mino o Legend is powering up to take down Disco Inferno Warforged next week. So here is a quote for the highlight reel. Mothra Brain with its awsome Psi powers will be crushed while psi attacking all the competiors Tallis will finally score a death attack and smash the jar!
KhanSemus 11-01-05, 10:07 PM	Ha ha ha. The titan will crush this puny...brain. As 54 is immune to what the Brain has, no issue. Plus, the Titan and Golem are pretty evenly matched, though no mindless creation can beat something with an intelligence score! (yes, the Titan has Int 3, but it is enough)
Hedstrong 11-01-05, 10:14 PM	Ha ha ha. The titan will crush this puny...brain. As 54 is immune to what the Brain has, no issue. Plus, the Titan and Golem are pretty evenly matched, though no mindless creation can beat something with an intelligence score! (yes, the Titan has Int 3, but it is enough) Int 3 aint that bad, even "special people" can smash things.Titan 54's still got plenty of steam to go, sures it percentage is lowerin, but so is the other monsters.
ragingmaro 11-01-05, 11:59 PM	[QUOTE=Balor von Balorvitch. But still he is basically Nixon from Futurerama with his massive robot body! LOL [/QUOTE] oh my god! I have to vote for him now! " Look at me in my shiny new robot body!"
Lazaro 11-02-05, 01:10 AM	GO 54 GO!!! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
talislan 11-02-05, 01:53 AM	I just see the minotaur picking up the brain jar and bashing it against the titan until one of them breaks! And long live my mighty Tallis, the last of my nominations standing and his position is improving (ever so slightly)
RavinRay 11-02-05, 08:14 AM	Ha ha ha. The titan will crush this puny...brain. No, the other brain will body steal whatever it can of the titan, so that you'll have two brains-stuck-in-a-construct bashing and mentally zapping each other. That's the only reason I want the titan to win, for the devourer to take over its body.
anarco_rata 11-02-05, 08:47 AM	i would've prefered the intellect devourer hoping on top of Titan 54 back, but a brain-in-a-jar would do, i guess... Still, titan 54 wins this week as well! :D
Zevox 11-02-05, 10:36 AM	Int 3 aint that bad, even "special people" can smash things. Int 3 is only one point above animal level: we're well below "special people" level here, this is the same intelligence as a Grey Render or Tarrasque possesses. The Titan only has the most basic of non-instinctual thought patterns, hence the Golem controlled by a brain in a jar has a significant advantage in terms of intelligence over the Titan. Zevox
KhanSemus 11-02-05, 10:36 AM	To continue: The Titan is faster and has greater reach than the Golem. This is less of a competitor than the hydra! Death to the Satyr!
Ghorrin 11-02-05, 11:41 AM	Really now, are iron golems the spiked chains of monsters? So far in both of these Creature Competitions, the cheesiest entry by far was the one where they shoehorned an iron golem into it. "Let's take a lich, and make her phylactery an iron golem!" "Let's take a brain in a jar, and stick it in an iron golem!" Enough already with the iron golems as add-ons to other creatures, okay? Vote smart, folks. Next week I want to see this chucklehead out of here, and Titan 54 wearing Sir Harold as a lapel pin. Later on, Ghorrin
Wotc_Mark 11-02-05, 12:30 PM	Really now, are iron golems the spiked chains of monsters? So far in both of these Creature Competitions, the cheesiest entry by far was the one where they shoehorned an iron golem into it....Enough already with the iron golems as add-ons to other creaturesWait till you see losbrainjalees my walking brain mole community carved into a stone golem. ...They use starfish for money.... MJ :devil: p.s. I love mixing ATHF references with D&D...mwehehe heh eh eh
Ghorrin 11-02-05, 01:54 PM	At this point, the simple fact that it was a stone golem would fill me with glee. :rolleyes: Ghorrin
Lyinginbedmon 11-02-05, 02:42 PM	How does a Minotaur of Legend beat a 12-headed Hydra? HOW?! :weep: Oh well, I guess I'll have to paste my vote onto the Iron-Brain Golem :weep: Further :weep:
Fanatic-Templar 11-02-05, 05:43 PM	I actually liked the Iron Golem phylactery, in principle. And I suppose the brain-in-a-jar would be an alternate form of becoming a lich, maybe more apt for fighters and the like. But still. I'm kinda sick of constructs. Why are there no adventurers in this arena? We all know Adventurers rule the D&D world! Go Harold the Mighty! Or Sir Zeev, even better. Anyway, I wish one of the characters had a rod of rusting in his pocket.
Ogre4Hire 11-02-05, 07:07 PM	Anyway, I wish one of the characters had a rod of rusting in his pocket. There are so many things I could say in response to that statement, and all of them would get me banned for a very, very long time.:D Oh great, they brought in an Iron Golem. Well, Titan 54 hits a lot harder (remember folks, advanced to 28 HD and Gargantuan size), and there's not much else that it can do to him. Yeah, Titan 54 seems to be slipping in the polls, but he's still at #1, which means that he's a long way from being voted off the island. And while he's here, he's going to turn Harold into a speed bump.:devil:
Balor von Balorvitch 11-02-05, 07:09 PM	Yeah no my rust monster idea isn't so 'thats a stupid idea!'. I think Brains are going down if not now when the itelliect devorer gets in. And i don't have the Eberron books but if the titan is a warforged then can he be sneak attacked, crited, death attacked, sudued, kicked in the nuts, soul knifed, bleed to death, vorpaled, mind effected etc. or is a unliving construct.
tiercel 11-02-05, 07:23 PM	A random thought for your consideration, re: rust monsters and their irrelevancy (by virtue of not being present).... Are the contestants present restricted to normal Core summon monster choices, or do they get to use the variant rules of Choose-Your-Own-Monster-by-CR? I have been assuming fairly vanilla rules, but given the wide range of creatures and classes, if the variant rules are allowed too, I don't see why someone couldn't use summon monster to summon up a big ol' batch of rust monsters to wreck the 'bot and the Dalek. (If nothing else, Laenya has plenty of Use Magic Device as a warlock, so a scroll or three would do just fine -- the full round casting time isn't a problem since she's unlikely to be taking much ranged fire. Sure, she could have a scroll of rusting grasp, but summon monster is way more flexible and likely, plus she probably really doesn't want to get into melee.)
Fanatic-Templar 11-02-05, 07:41 PM	Originally posted by Ogre4Hire There are so many things I could say in response to that statement, and all of them would get me banned for a very, very long time. And I was completely oblivious to all of them until you posted about it. Silly me! :D
KhanSemus 11-02-05, 07:49 PM	Yeah no my rust monster idea isn't so 'thats a stupid idea!'. I think Brains are going down if not now when the itelliect devorer gets in. And i don't have the Eberron books but if the titan is a warforged then can he be sneak attacked, crited, death attacked, sudued, kicked in the nuts, soul knifed, bleed to death, vorpaled, mind effected etc. or is a unliving construct. The Titan came before normal warforged and is a regular construct. Hence, it has all construct immunities but still some Int. (yes, it is just above animal but can you really put wolves and dolphins down?) It also has resistances and DR. The DR is useless against the Golem, they both hit eachother normally. I don't know how the minotaur could take out the Hydra (not that I mind) as mummies don't like fire and minotaurs don't have acid. Wait, mummy rot, right? Explains it all. Thanks to advanced to Ogre4Hire, I didn't know that the Titan was 28 HD and Gargantuan size, even I was thinking he was getting lucky. Come on people, this thing won't be brought down!
Rhadamanthus 11-02-05, 08:12 PM	All I have to say now for the brain in a jar is: what's next, an awakened gorilla (BROTHERHOOD OF EVIL REFERENCE!)? The Reaper will make short work of the brain and any others that stand in his way. End of discussion.
I_am_an_undead 11-02-05, 08:18 PM	Yay! Third undead in the fray with the brainy! Oooh, but I still support Terminus at 100% percent! But now the mino has a name...>_> But still, the reaper is the one I will stick to until the end... either of him or of the competition. And you know, even if you don't like him, you should vote for him. After all, it's better to be in good terms with death before YOUR end... :P Think of that!
Rhadamanthus 11-02-05, 08:22 PM	Well, I see that SOMEbody's got the right idea.
Lionheart429 11-02-05, 10:30 PM	Let's do something entirely forbidden. Let's forget the stats. For just a bit, ignore the game stats. Now think. A brain in a jar in a golem? Or a towering monstrocity of a construct? A minotaur wrapped in badages and infused with unholy power, or Giant, crushing, swift steel arms and hands with long reach> If you think about it, there is a DARN good reason why Titan 54 is top dog. Oh yeah. TT54! WHOHOO!
tiercel 11-02-05, 10:34 PM	Current contestants: outsider (native), construct, fey, humanoid (unique), undead, undead, outsider, undead+construct. 6-7 of the contestants couldn't even be called "mortal." Weird. (Planetouched seem kind of grey area with respect to "mortal" -- while they are "mostly human," they actually have the Outsider type. I guess technically they could count, depending how you define "mortal.") In particular, fully half the contestants are undead and/or constructs. A nightmarish field for Tallis, to be certain. No magical beasts or aberrations! Not to mention giants, animals, dragons, elementals, monstrous humanoids, oozes, plants, or vermin. Somebody sell me on a current contestant. Right now I'm staring at the choices and not experiencing large amounts of enthusiasm. Some of the entries seem like they have some real potential, but none of them are just crying out to me above the other at the moment. Why is a given contestant best poised to win an actual arena smackdown, or, simply demonstrably cooler than the others?
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-02-05, 11:12 PM	Rhandis still has my vote, and here's why: 1. He is an underdog standing for the Material Plane 2. He is a Dark One (Cool race, by the way) 3. He's psychic 4. I'm partial to sneaky bastards Envision a battlefield with all that power being thrown around, and then Rhandis, who has been ignored up to this point, suddenly lashing out, diving in between Sir Zeev and Terminus, and using his mindblades to battle one, the other, or both. Titan 54 attempts to smash him with that massive reach and fist of his, and sees this speck of black running up his appendage, running his reshaped sword along the armor, ala Advent Children (Yes, he can form a blade almost as big, and it'll have trivial weight). Leaping off the gargantuan foe, he cloaks himself and slashes Varuna before swathing the field in fog. The guy does it all! Heck, if his blurb speaks truly, maybe a competitor owes him a favor, like helping him smite a particular foe. VOTE FOR RHANDIS!
Grimm Ironhand 11-03-05, 03:57 AM	As the Minotaur sees the satyr attempting to hide in the shadows he lowers his head,utters an otherworldly bellow and charges.With a great crash the satyr's body,broken and bleeding from the impact is gored to the wall of the arena. Finally freeing himself and shaking the body off his horns the minotaur looks around for his next victim.
T.R.I.P. 11-03-05, 07:34 AM	None of the "sneaky" ones stands a chance against the minotaur. He's undead, so no sneak attack. A Minotaur can't be caught flatfooted He can sniff them out with his scent. And for those who where wondering how he took out the hydra. A creature of legend could have either a acid or fire breathweapon! He could even have the fire subtype, negating the mummies fire vulnerability!!
Balor von Balorvitch 11-03-05, 07:46 AM	None of the "sneaky" ones stands a chance against the minotaur. He's undead, so no sneak attack. A Minotaur can't be caught flatfooted He can sniff them out with his scent. And for those who where wondering how he took out the hydra. A creature of legend could have either a acid or fire breathweapon! He could even have the fire subtype, negating the mummies fire vulnerability!! Oh and his blood is fire or acid as well!
Morka 11-03-05, 09:18 AM	Give Tallis the Elusive Target feat and put him between the Warforged Titan and the Iron Golem, and watch them bashing each other while trying to punch the Satyr... Vote Tallis, Vote Tallis! Edit: Ahem... Edited my post to correct the name of my favorite competitor...
Zevox 11-03-05, 01:44 PM	Let's do something entirely forbidden. Let's forget the stats. For just a bit, ignore the game stats. Now think. A brain in a jar in a golem? Or a towering monstrocity of a construct? A minotaur wrapped in badages and infused with unholy power, or Giant, crushing, swift steel arms and hands with long reach> If you think about it, there is a DARN good reason why Titan 54 is top dog. Oh yeah. TT54! WHOHOO! Actually, given those comparisons, it makes it much more confusing to me. Why pick a huge construct over a construct controlled by an undead brain? Or over an undead minotaur infused with unholy power? Seems to me those are darn good reasons for the Titan to be in last, not first. *shrugs* I guess we just think differently. Zevox
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-03-05, 02:36 PM	Tallis is the Satyr, Rhandis is the human-like Dark Stalker. As for the sneaky bit, yes he is stealthy, and indeed has the abilities of a mid-level rogue, but as a soulknife, he is also a competent melee artist. And have you seen the reflexes on his kind? That and his psychic willpower make him tough to affect.
MindWandererB 11-03-05, 10:05 PM	Might want to postpone Creature Competition 3 (Dragons) until Races of the Dragon has been on the shelves for a couple of months. Just a thought. I also humbly request that the CC3 allow dragon-themed monsters or dragonlike monsters, not just creatures with the Dragon type.
tiercel 11-04-05, 01:37 AM	I also humbly request that the CC3 allow dragon-themed monsters or dragonlike monsters, not just creatures with the Dragon type.Possibly... though there would presumably have to be some restrictions, lest kobolds be allowed and the entire affair degenerate into Meepo v Pun-Pun. :P
T.R.I.P. 11-04-05, 10:29 AM	Give Tallis the Elusive Target feat and put him between the Warforged Titan and the Iron Golem, and watch them bashing each other while trying to punch the Satyr... Vote Tallis, Vote Tallis! Edit: Ahem... Edited my post to correct the name of my favorite competitor... Elusive target is an impressive feat, but it can only be used against a single opponent, and only for one attack.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-04-05, 11:46 AM	Ok can you summon a rust elemental with a summon monster III as a small elemental? if so the bard has a chance of damage here. any comments?
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-04-05, 01:15 PM	Elusive target is an impressive feat, but it can only be used against a single opponent, and only for one attack. Not so. As a tactical feat, one of its benefits is the "Diverting Defense" power which essentially allows the user to throw off the target's aim on their attack. So 54 would slam Tallis (or Rhandis) and the response would be a clever move that causes 54 to miss entirely and smash someone else nearby.
Mercurius 11-04-05, 01:46 PM	But now the mino has a name...>_> YES! They finally gave Varuna his name! Sweet. I was wondering why he didn't have a name for the longest time, even after I offered them the name of the monstrocity that I had submitted. Ah, good times. Unfortunately, I still also like Laenya, if only because I really like the Courre Eladrin's illustration. I'm supporting her until she's knocked out (and I'm not fool enough to expect she won't be). Sorry, Varuna, but the cute little pixie girl with the eldritch blasts has my interest peaked.
KelvanNailo 11-04-05, 03:14 PM	the warforged titan!!!! i mean, he sharpens himself with that stone thingy... how awesome is that?
Joni-san 11-04-05, 05:22 PM	Go! Go! Titan 54! Smash those fleshies to the floor! :cheer:
Greenintern 11-04-05, 06:39 PM	For all of you who still think Harold is fighting, let me say this: He isn't. He returned with his replacement, and then most likely took a seat in the VIP box (it's the only place for someone as mighty as he). Harold can't get beaten by even the Titan, because he. isn't. fighting. The end.
KhanSemus 11-04-05, 06:45 PM	Titan 54 slams the golem with its hammer, gets it stuck in the place where the brain is held. while shaking the hammer to dislodge the golem, the body flys off....into the VIP section. Harold's not in anymore? He is now!
Siberys 11-04-05, 07:15 PM	While I would wholeheartedly support the Titan, I'm voting for Rhandis. Seems to me to be one of the most original of the group. Plus, Soulknives are cool. Dark ones are cool. The two of them together is indescribable.
Rhadamanthus 11-04-05, 08:06 PM	Seriously people, despite the overusage of undead in this competition, anyone can clearly see that the Reaper is the best of all the competitors. Here's what we got: Zeev: Worked against the Vrock, but now he's out of his specialization. Titan: Weakness: very stupid. Big and brawny, and has shown an initial lead, but c'mon. These constructs can't last forever. Just look at the zelekhut. Tallis: Cool in itself, but not effective against a majority of the combatants. Rhandis: Pretty cool. But psionics has its limits. As do Dark Ones. Terminus: He's the most awesome thing ever. Vote for him. NOW. Varuna: While the Minomummy is a fellow undead (which I respect), his powers are limited and he's probably too busy whacking on the Titan to have any lasting effect. Laenya: While warlocks are pretty cool, I'm just imagining her now: "Ooh! I'm a pretty flying celestial princess! I'm so cute and adorable!" Terminus will make short work of her, warlock or no warlock. Brain/Golem: "Hey, guys, here's a GREAT idea: let's stick an undead brain in a golem and see what happens! It's CRAAAAAAZY!" This thing's dead in about three seconds. I say it won't even have two hemispheres by the end of the competition. So, all in all, the contestants are pretty much inferior to Terminus's mighty scythe. Statistically, Terminus is a great combatant with unusually high HP, fast healing to recover from any injuries (yeah right) that he might suffer, a damage reduction which I don't think any combatant can actually bypass (DR 10/cold iron and lawful), more-than-decent spell resistance, and a larger-than-normal scythe with the ultimate entropic power to reduce his foes to quivering clumsy blobs of uselessness. Look at the other combatants and ask yourselves if any of them could beat him. The best part is that any scythe he wields get mighty cleaving, so when he swings it, everybody gets chopped. Heck, he could use his Whirlwind Attack feat and take down everybody all at once!
Hedstrong 11-04-05, 08:19 PM	Seriously people, despite the overusage of undead in this competition, anyone can clearly see that the Reaper is the best of all the competitors. Here's what we got: Zeev: Worked against the Vrock, but now he's out of his specialization. Titan: Weakness: very stupid. Big and brawny, and has shown an initial lead, but c'mon. These constructs can't last forever. Just look at the zelekhut. Tallis: Cool in itself, but not effective against a majority of the combatants. Rhandis: Pretty cool. But psionics has its limits. As do Dark Ones. Terminus: He's the most awesome thing ever. Vote for him. NOW. Varuna: While the Minomummy is a fellow undead (which I respect), his powers are limited and he's probably too busy whacking on the Titan to have any lasting effect. Laenya: While warlocks are pretty cool, I'm just imagining her now: "Ooh! I'm a pretty flying celestial princess! I'm so cute and adorable!" Terminus will make short work of her, warlock or no warlock. Brain/Golem: "Hey, guys, here's a GREAT idea: let's stick an undead brain in a golem and see what happens! It's CRAAAAAAZY!" This thing's dead in about three seconds. I say it won't even have two hemispheres by the end of the competition. So, all in all, the contestants are pretty much inferior to Terminus's mighty scythe. Statistically, Terminus is a great combatant with unusually high HP, fast healing to recover from any injuries (yeah right) that he might suffer, a damage reduction which I don't think any combatant can actually bypass (DR 10/cold iron and lawful), more-than-decent spell resistance, and a larger-than-normal scythe with the ultimate entropic power to reduce his foes to quivering clumsy blobs of uselessness. Look at the other combatants and ask yourselves if any of them could beat him. The best part is that any scythe he wields get mighty cleaving, so when he swings it, everybody gets chopped. Heck, he could use his Whirlwind Attack feat and take down everybody all at once! Ah but you see Titan 54 is IMMUNE to the scythe's special ability. So all you have there is normal scythe clanging against the great Titan's armor, Same with that over wrapped mummy. Sir Zeev, oh posh he's got charism out the yin yang, not too mention a pretty good Fort save. Not too mention levels in PALADIN, lil turn undead checkx and a bit of luck and boom yur reapers cowerin a corner for a lil Titan smashy smashy I really dont care about the two sneaky guys they canb ecome blobs should you wish. The warlock? kinda hard to hit her when shes flying above yur head. The brain golem? guess what BOTH are immune to yur scythes powers, once again simply a normal large scythe against a rather sturdy golem. So lemme put it this way, you should get the facts straight before you go round claimin all powerfullness. Sure youv got an advantage, over two of the three lowest monsters. Terminus shall be ground to dust beneath the feet of the truly mighty GARGANTUAN sized Titan 54
Rhadamanthus 11-04-05, 08:50 PM	Sir Zeev, oh posh he's got charism out the yin yang, not too mention a pretty good Fort save. Not too mention levels in PALADIN, lil turn undead checkx and a bit of luck and boom yur reapers cowerin a corner for a lil Titan smashy smashy Yeah, good luck turning a 19HD undead. OK, yeah, a bit of exaggeration, but I have to give props to my reaper, dig? Besides, I stand by my argument against the brain, I mean it's a freaking brain floating around in a jar. Seriously, you could just pick it up and chuck it at a wall.
Hedstrong 11-04-05, 09:00 PM	Yeah, good luck turning a 19HD undead. OK, yeah, a bit of exaggeration, but I have to give props to my reaper, dig? Besides, I stand by my argument against the brain, I mean it's a freaking brain floating around in a jar. Seriously, you could just pick it up and chuck it at a wall. Well thats why i put in the bit bout luck, yur right hed NEED some. Oh i dig, just like i hope you dig me defendin my fav conmpetetor, im just a bit more technical to it. The whole point of the Brain in a jar, in this comp is that its ATTACHED to the golem, makin it a tad harder to hit. I wouldnt underestimate a BIAJ, if played properly they can be pretty nasty to PCs not for warned of exactly what they're up against.
KhanSemus 11-04-05, 09:44 PM	If you're gonna back the Reaper, you need opponents who are living, in reach, and can't do enough damage to get by your damage reduction.
Rhadamanthus 11-04-05, 09:50 PM	If you're gonna back the Reaper, you need opponents who are living, in reach, and can't do enough damage to get by your damage reduction. OK, maybe the "living" thing isn't quite there, but I'm assuming that the opponents are relatively within reach and don't have cold iron and lawful weapons. That's good enough for me!
Zevox 11-04-05, 10:19 PM	Zeev: Worked against the Vrock, but now he's out of his specialization. Which is why he'd stick to the skies and fire off arrows rather than stupidly charging the ground-bound Reaper :P . Besides, as Hedstrong said, his fortitude save is quite high, so he has a great chance to ignore that Entropic effect from the Scythe even if he were to engage in close-up combat (which wouldn't happen anyway). Titan: Weakness: very stupid. Big and brawny, and has shown an initial lead, but c'mon. These constructs can't last forever. Just look at the zelekhut. Okay, I'll give you that one; just don't forget that the scythe's ability is useless against the big guy, so if it gets it into its head to strike at him, it could inflict quite a bit of damage before going down. Tallis: Cool in itself, but not effective against a majority of the combatants. Rhandis: Pretty cool. But psionics has its limits. As do Dark Ones. Gotta agree there too, if they fight the Reaper they're pudding, and they don't really match up well against anyone else either (well, maybe the Fiendish Intellect Devourer). Terminus: He's the most awesome thing ever. Vote for him. NOW. Awesome? That Grim Reaper wannabe with an oversized scythe? You've been spending too much time on the negetive energy plane ;) . Varuna: While the Minomummy is a fellow undead (which I respect), his powers are limited and he's probably too busy whacking on the Titan to have any lasting effect. And as an undead hes immune to that scythe, and as both undead and a minotaur can easily challenge the Reaper 1-on-1. Once the Titan falls, Terminus will have trouble on his hands from this guy. Laenya: While warlocks are pretty cool, I'm just imagining her now: "Ooh! I'm a pretty flying celestial princess! I'm so cute and adorable!" Terminus will make short work of her, warlock or no warlock. The Titan is the stupid one, not Laenya. She can fly and fire off Eldritch blasts from 60ft up (250ft w/ the Eldritch Spear invocation), and the Reaper is ground-bound. Terminus is the one who'd be made short work of here. Brain/Golem: "Hey, guys, here's a GREAT idea: let's stick an undead brain in a golem and see what happens! It's CRAAAAAAZY!" This thing's dead in about three seconds. I say it won't even have two hemispheres by the end of the competition. Except that Terminus can't bypass its DR anymore that it can his. As its DR is quite high (DR15/Adamantite), it seems unlikely that Terminus could even hurt it, or at least that he could hurt it anywhere near badly. Wether or not it can strike the brain depends on where the brain is, but even if he does the Golem will continue on anyway. Between it and Varuna, Terminus wouldn't stand a chance if he drew attention to himself. Zevox
I_am_an_undead 11-05-05, 07:44 AM	Awesome? That Grim Reaper wannabe with an oversized scythe? You've been spending too much time on the negetive energy plane ;) . Who said it was a bad thing? I am living in the negative energy plane, and I am quite well, if a bit brainless (not anymore since I ate 63 brains laterly...). Anyway, you say Terminus is a grim reaper wannabe? Maybe, maybe not (personnally, I think it is the grim reaper who is a Terminus wannabe.) :P As for the oversized scythe, Sephiroth (FFVII) has an oversized sword and he has a gigantic fanbase so nah! and just for the show, and to make people remember just how cool the scythe is, let me show you THIS: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/libris_gallery/84751.jpg Look at this and tell me, isn't THAT cooler than the grim reaper? why, yes it is!
I_am_an_undead 11-05-05, 07:49 AM	Oh, and Terminus can fair quite well with other competitors without his special ability. and he got DR10/cold iron and lawful, fast healing 10 and *gasp* spell resistance 22 to! Aaand I'm not talking about his feats, all of them giving him the upper edge in melee fighting. Annd all scythe he holds are treated as mighty cleaving weapons!
Slagger the Chuul 11-05-05, 08:41 AM	Look at this and tell me, isn't THAT cooler than the grim reaper? No, it's not. The entropic reaper is pretty tough, but the Grim Reaper pretty much owns the market. My big question at the moment, however, is about the brain in the jar. There are two important components to this creature; one brain, one jar. Now jars you can get almost anywhere, and you can make your own if you really want to, but brains aren't so anonymous. I just have to wonder whose brain it is (hmm, haven't seen Harold in a while).
I_am_an_undead 11-05-05, 08:53 AM	Well... I was just talking about the scythe. The Grim Reaper has a normal looking scythe... while the Entropic reaper has a wicked black enrgy blade for his scythe. Compared to each other, the entropic scythe is better than the Grim Scythe (Grim Scythe... I sooo found a new artifact to make...)
Zevox 11-05-05, 10:18 AM	As for the oversized scythe, Sephiroth (FFVII) has an oversized sword and he has a gigantic fanbase so nah! *shrugs* Never heard of him, but to me weapon size means nothing (much as creature size means nothing to me - part of the reason I never voted for the Tarrasque in the last competition). Look at this and tell me, isn't THAT cooler than the grim reaper? why, yes it is! Not at all. Just a wannabe skeleton copying his look :P . Zevox
Rhadamanthus 11-05-05, 10:36 AM	Awesome? That Grim Reaper wannabe with an oversized scythe? You've been spending too much time on the negetive energy plane . I mostly picked the reaper based on his awesome abilities n' stuff. It's one of my favorite undead in Libris Mortis, next to the Dream Vestige. to me weapon size means nothing (much as creature size means nothing to me - part of the reason I never voted for the Tarrasque in the last competition). Wait, you didn't vote for the Tarrasque? You mean you were one of the people that prevented Meepo vs. the Tarrasque from HAPPENING?!? NOOOOOO! Just kidding. I voted for him, though....
Kobold Avenger 11-06-05, 12:11 AM	Might as well come up with a little background stories for my character ideas: Rhandis Background: From the shadows, the silhouette spoke while still pointing its shifting blade of blackness. "The secrets from the time of the Children of Light are out threre. It's hidden in chambers locked for as long as time can remember. It's hidden among ruins the Cities Above were built over. And among the petty dealings of those who live in the Cities Above." "For us in the Cities Below, we seek to bring back the glory of that age long past. To undue the Final Heresy which brought about the fall of the light, and cast us into the Great Exile and brought the Curse. The rest of you descendants of the Children of Light squander your birthrights, oblivious to the importance of meanings of your actions." "Since my earliest days I learned of these truths, handed down from Ereshikgal, the Mother of Shadows and guardian of our broken people. Life was hard for us the Dark Ones, as the many terrors that brought about the fall live down there with us locked away from the World Above. Our curse to be never again allowed in the World Above." "But I Rhandis of the Grey Scepter Tribe, have always wondered what life was like in the World Above, covered under the rays of the blinding sun, my kin can no longer bear from the Final Heresy. You know that Dark Ones, Humans, Halflings and many of the others, are all kin all descended from our common ancient ancestors, which is why we are so much alike. I may have been raised differently from you all, but I know and understand your kind, because we are much the same." "Their knowledge and power was vast, the elements, the planes and reality itself were shaped to their whims. I possess a fraction of their knowledge in shaping the shadows of the mind into a focussed shard in physical reality. The more secrets learned, the more of that knowledge can be used. Perhaps one day to undue the Great Curse the shattered the world." Tactics: As a Dark Stalker Rhandis is quite comfortable in the darkness, he naturally resides on senses other than sight (blindsight 60') and has the ability to wrap himself in shadows making it harder for others to hit him (they get a miss chance due to concealment). He's naturally quite stealthy and can call up a cloud of fog to cover his approach. As a Soulknife Rhandis is pretty well armed all the time, as he can call up his shadowy mindblase at any time. It's what makes him an effective assassin. He prefers to wait quietly and silently for whoever his target may be. Rhandis is really patient and well have his mind blade imbued and be psionically focussed as well as unseen. He prefers to kill with one strike, and will wait for his opponents to be softened up. When they're not suspecting it, he'll throw his mind blade which often has poison applied, using sneak attack, the psychic strike class ability and the (greater) psionic weapon feat expending his focus. If his opponent still stands, he rushes in for the kill for a couple of strikes or so, with a hit and run attack. If his target still stands he'll run away long enough to charge up his attack again. Rhandis prefers to use his mindblade as a longsword if he's engaged in melee for any prolonged period of time. The special ability of his mindblade is chosen for whoever he may be facing at the time, often it's the psychokinetic quality (+1d4 damage). He has a number of useful psionic tattoos ("psionic" potions) including a couple tattoos of Body Adjustment (healing). Laenya Background: She danced among the mist and the flowers glistening with dew from the starlight, above the ring of caps which glowed in the night. "So you want my life story?" she started, fluttering about scratching head. "Well how about this... For as long as I can remember I came to a glade like this when the stars were aligned right. To join the pixies, nymphs and others to have a lot of fun. Not that my own kind weren't, but I always enjoyed their company." "Well actually it was through some ancient agreement that us Eladrin would join the circles of our Fey cousins. It was said to be were Queen Mab (one of the queens under the Great Queen Morwel) once retreated from the Court of Stars. Anyways its always a big party with us, occasionally showing up to see how our 'children' are doing. Oh, and it was here that I met this cutest sprite, one... Well you don't need to know that." "Anyways I was sort of the 'squire' of this Shiere warrior named Haelnir who defended this glade. One night pack hellish fiends ripped through the forest destroying all in their path. For some reason they were hunting the local tribe of ogres for fun and games and all that." "It sent all my friends scattering. Haelnir fought of the devils as best he could, putting up a most valiant fight. Anyways I fell into the circle looking for a place to hide, crying out for the others to come soon. And then I suddenly found I had a new sense purpose, as if that small court of my friends chose me." "Suddenly I could do more than just be an annoyance, those devils found themselves getting stung really badly. It bought enough time for an entire host Eladrins and Asuras to descend on them. And when the dust was settled Lady Elewnith, the Ghaele who lead the host, gave me the title of Lady Laenya, knight of the Faerie Cricle. Well ok, that's mostly how it went..." Tactics: Laenya likes to play the cute and innocent one, seemingly harmless and pretending to be very frightened, so she can lull her enemies into a false sense of security. She pretend to cry, and then she'll unleash the full fury of her powers on her opponent. She uses dancing lights, faerie fire abilities along with her invocations so soften up and distract her opponents. She's highly maneuvrable and can fly really fast. After distracting her opponents she quickly flies far away from their reach where she unleashes her eldritch blasts on them (at least 4d6+ damage ranged touch attack), and she does indeed possess the Eldritch Spear Invocation which greatly extends the range of her attack. She can easily hide, and is quite unassuming based on her size. Even more to her advantage is her ability to become an incorporeal ball of light, where she's impervious to many such attacks. She focusses on invocations that help her distract or hinder opponents, inlcuding the ability to become invisible. Once she's in a fight she'll always attempts to keep her distance from her opponent, making her an even more difficult target.
Edymnion 11-06-05, 01:16 PM	*sings* Up from the depths, thirty stories tall! Breathing fire, and filling the sky! Its... not Godzilla, its Titan 54! I mean, come on, just look at this guy! The little one is at least 6 foot! http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/eb_gallery/82167.jpg WF Titan vs. a Brain in a Jar, even with an Iron Golem body? I mean, come on, the guy has a glass jaw, LITERALLY! :D
Hedstrong 11-06-05, 02:04 PM	*sings* Up from the depths, thirty stories tall! Breathing fire, and filling the sky! Its... not Godzilla, its Titan 54! I mean, come on, just look at this guy! The little one is at least 6 foot! http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/eb_gallery/82167.jpg WF Titan vs. a Brain in a Jar, even with an Iron Golem body? I mean, come on, the guy has a glass jaw, LITERALLY! :D Oh id say hes over 6 feet, to reach the Cr of twelve it needs 28 HD, which makes it gargantuan, which if im not mistaken i WELL over 6 feet.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-06-05, 03:26 PM	Oh id say hes over 6 feet, to reach the Cr of twelve it needs 28 HD, which makes it gargantuan, which if im not mistaken i WELL over 6 feet. He meant his buddy the reg warforged LOL :smirk: I have to say disco inferno titan is cool, so is Mr.Reaps, so is Goat Slit, so is the DArk Templar... I mean Randlis! but none stand up to Legendary Moo! Oh and when is a Iron Golem broken!............. When its a Jar :rimshot: LOL LOL :rofl:
talislan 11-06-05, 06:55 PM	Possibly... though there would presumably have to be some restrictions, lest kobolds be allowed and the entire affair degenerate into Meepo v Pun-Pun. :P I think in CC3 ARDY may well be competeing, so we'll need another host... A keeper of dragons perhaps?
RK)13 11-07-05, 04:11 PM	Hmm, My first thought when I read the Brain in a Jar submission was (ahem) "Holy crap it's Krang" I am actually disappointed that noone said it before I did....
RavinRay 11-08-05, 06:45 AM	Waiting with bated breath who gets the boot this week. Not the titan, I hope; not yet. Not until the intellect devourer controls him. :P
Grimm Ironhand 11-08-05, 08:39 AM	The brain in the jar is going to be crushed into a gooey jelly underfoot of the rest of the competitors!
Wotc_Mark 11-08-05, 01:18 PM	Assassinated Hiding in the shadows (and skill with the pan flute) proved no measure of success in a combat arena, as the satyr assassin falls. This week, not one, but two new competitors have entered the arena! Which means, next week will see not one, but two competitors leave! Warforged Titan: 18.7% Iron Golem Brain in a Jar: 17.2% Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 14.2% Minotaur: 13.3% Entropic Reaper: 11.7% Dark Stalker Soulknife: 9.4% Laenya Coure Warlock: 8.2% Satyr Assassin: 7.2% BTW: If a creature you submitted is in the competition and you have posted any extra info, like history or batte tactics, private message or email me and I will take a look at the post and probably add a link to that thread from the competition page. MJ :cool: Cast Your Vote Now! (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20050930a)
Yar 11-08-05, 02:10 PM	Man you guys are a bunch of nerds. Now if you Will excuse me i have to go weep at meepo's grave. :D Yar
Balor von Balorvitch 11-08-05, 02:47 PM	Goat Slit NoooOooooooOoo! Not only has the the cross of Artemis and Bacus fallen, but 4th! Varuna the legendary moo has been given the Joan Colins special by none other than Glass jaw Krang! (thanks to RK13) I will accept Sir Zeev as he has been getin the job done this whole competion and came from the bottom rung, but I "mind' when another iron golem mixed with anything comes along and steals this competion! Atleast the Fiendish Intellect Devourer is here to coup de grace the damn jar-head! As for these new competiors, Yugoloth/ Nycaloth: Hmm Yugoloth are so old school but they are overshadowed by the demons and devils too often, a very cool premise indeed and with the 'King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.' sponsers you, you know your good! Fiendish Intellect Devourer: standard Devourer, the fiendish adds little to his flavor (Blah! i guess i should leave this to Illthids!) he sees, he eats, he moves on.
Zevox 11-08-05, 03:26 PM	Wow :blink: . I didn't expect the Iron Golem to be so popular. Whats even more surpising, it can't have been the Warforged Titan's supporters defecting, as he actually gained support since last week. Strange indeed... Also didn't expect a two-entrant week to occur for no reason. I guess they decided to speed the competition along a bit. Anyway, nice to see Sir Zeev overtake Varuna to stay in third despite the sudden popularity of the Golem :). Laenya's support is a lot weaker than I expected it to be - it seems likely that next week's deaths will consist of two of either her, Rhandis, or the Intellect Devourer (I don't forsee it being very popular I'm afraid). As we're nearing the end of the first half of the competition (next week the last fresh contender, Taibo, enters the ring, putting us into the top 8 of the 16), I'm going to return to the "if-this-were-a-battle" predictions I was doing a few weeks ago, just for fun ;). Sir Zeev vs. Nycaloth: A self-explanatory match up. The Nycaloth is a fiend, and Sir Zeev is devoted to fighting fiends of all kinds, so even if it ignored him he'd attack it. Both can fly, so chances are the battle would be airborne. Zeev has likely recovered from his endeavors against Leoalcorn by now, but I'd guess his quiver to be low, unless hes been seriously conserving arrows since week three, which means he needs to engage the Nycaloth in close combat. As I don't possess the Nycaloth's stats (or any other info about it beyond its race, the fact that its a Yugoloth, and whats stated in its description), I can't say how the match up would go, but I'd be expecting a win from Zeev, specialized in killing fiends and wielding a weapon and abilities specifically designed to defeat them. Terminus vs. Rhandis vs. Intellect Devourer: Terminus would obviously wish to target living foes, and the only ones not flying now are Rhandis and the Intellect Devourer. The Devourer couldn't really do much to him (unless hes more powerful than the standard + fiendish template - RavinRay, care to comment? ;) ), and as I previously stated Rhandis would be at a disadvantage as well. I forsee two piles of pudding sitting at Terminus' feet next week. Titan 54 vs. Brain/Golem vs. Varuna: Like ARDy said, these three big guys are exchanging blows. By the look of things, Varuna is tiring quicker than the two constructs, but this battle could go any way. Maybe one of the three will try to break off to take out Terminus or the Intellect Devourer. Laenya: The wild card of the battle. If Zeev can keep the Nycaloth off her back, shes in no real danger so long as she plays it smart and stays out the Titan's reach. This means shes free to fire off her Eldritch Blasts at whatever she pleases. Its fairly likely that she may try to support Zeev against the Nycaloth, knowing that he wouldn't attack her and that the Nycaloth is the last flying combatant besides the two of them. Other than that, likely targets are Terminus, Varuna, the Intellect Devourer, and Rhandis. Zevox
RavinRay 11-08-05, 03:28 PM	Bring on the brains! Tis a gonna be a battle between undead and fiendish gray matter. And, like I hope, if that titan has enough whatever-amounts-to-a-brain-for-a-warforged, by this time it should have weakened sufficiently for Rhandis and the devourer to team up against it, then have the latter control it for a brain-in-a-construct mano-a-mano. Just hope Sir Zeev's holy zeal will target Shemeska's nycaloth first.
Edymnion 11-08-05, 05:17 PM	Ah, but as a construct, Titan 54 won't tire. It can deliver crushing blow after cleaving swing all day long and still be fresh as a daisy at the end. Seriously. The Iron Golem Brain in a Jar has a glass jaw, literally. All it'll take is Titan 54 slamming his maul into that fragile little container and the fight is over. Ewww... sticky gooey brain all over my perfectly good warforged. :D
Thyme71 11-08-05, 06:02 PM	I've been voting for Zeev because nothing else has been available. I've been waiting for Nyca-boy. Go Nycaloth, all the way. :) Thyme
Zevox 11-08-05, 06:08 PM	The Iron Golem Brain in a Jar has a glass jaw, literally. All it'll take is Titan 54 slamming his maul into that fragile little container and the fight is over. Ewww... sticky gooey brain all over my perfectly good warforged. :D Ah, but thats precisely the problem: breaking the brain out of its jar only eliminates half the creature. Even without the brain the Golem can continue on, just like a regular Iron Golem. It'd just lose the sentient guidance and fall back on its last recieved commands. Zevox
Verin 11-08-05, 06:51 PM	Rhandis is still my guy in this arena.
I_am_an_undead 11-08-05, 06:56 PM	I must add that the Brain probably has "recruted" some alive, not-immune-to-mind-affecting-abilities challenger with his suggestion AND dominate person abilities. Sooo, he's not totally alone. Don't think I stopped supporting Terminus. I'm 100% behind the reaper. While that is said, I also support fellow undeads, such as brainy and Vanura... Hehehe... Brainy...
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-08-05, 07:07 PM	Call me biased, but I'm personally trying to see a living creature walk away from the pile of shattered parts and undead viscera. I want to see the undead and constructs humbled by those who breath life's sweet air. Rhandis, obliterate them. Sir Zeev, listen to the voice in the shadows. Laenya, shoot 'em all.
I_am_an_undead 11-08-05, 07:18 PM	Sir Zeev vs. Nycaloth: A self-explanatory match up. The Nycaloth is a fiend, and Sir Zeev is devoted to fighting fiends of all kinds, so even if it ignored him he'd attack it. Both can fly, so chances are the battle would be airborne. I've got a question for you Zevox. Why are you implying Zeev can fly? cause I'm pretty sure that there is no powers that allow Knights of the Calice to fly and... He isn't a half-celestial, he is an Aasimar. No flight. Soooo hum... his power to fly, is it a power of the Knight class that I overlooked? 'Cause if not... well... I fear my friend that Zeev is heartbound... That said, if he can't fly, then it will be a Nycaloth vs Laenya airborn battle... aaand I would be betting on the Nycaloth. As for Zeev, he will surely join the Terminus vs Randis vs Devourer... Where Terminus would have the upper hand because, while Zeev does have some anti-evil powers, he is as likely to use them on the devourer than on Terminus and... Dare I say it? Randis, the Devourer and Zeev are all alive! Terminus would reap them! Reap them good! :P Anyway, that was my two cents. Thanks to everyone who will care to read this. And won't insult me because of it. :D
Fanatic-Templar 11-08-05, 07:26 PM	I agree with Nightfall, though my support goes entirely to Sir Zeev and Rhandis. In that order. I'd also add that along with Titan54, these two have been fighting from the start. They've outlived the five others of the initial bash and even witnessed the short journey of the Juggernaut. Rhandis seems to be tiring, but Sir Zeev only gets stronger, outclassing Varuna the mummified Minotaur this week. Long live Si Zeev! Victory to the Light!
tragedy 11-08-05, 07:27 PM	I wonder,what would happen if the brain in a jar happened to take over the titans body.All it needs to do is SOMEHOW knock its head off the attach the jar to the head.It could work........right?If it DID happen to work,the Brain in a jar/Titan combo would be quite formidable.
Rhadamanthus 11-08-05, 07:27 PM	I laughed at my friends when they said my precious, precious Reaper was going down, but the prophecy is coming true! It cannot be! Filthy living creatures with their "Ooh, lookit me! I still got all my organs! I can breathe and/or perform photosynthesis! My skeletal structure isn't visible! Ooh! I'd better watch out for that nasty negative energy, it might give me a rash! Ooh!" Pff. They can bite my shiny dead rotting :censored:! Only the scythe shall prevail this day! Vote Terminus! Terminus for life (bad pun)! And oh, look who we got this week! A quasi-decent fiend and a giant walking brain! What is it with WotC and brains all of a sudden? Did a large proportion of their staff become zombified?
Zevox 11-08-05, 07:35 PM	I've got a question for you Zevox. Why are you implying Zeev can fly? cause I'm pretty sure that there is no powers that allow Knights of the Calice to fly and... He isn't a half-celestial, he is an Aasimar. No flight. Soooo hum... his power to fly, is it a power of the Knight class that I overlooked? 'Cause if not... well... I fear my friend that Zeev is heartbound... I take it you weren't around the thread during week 1. In my sig (specifically, on Sir Zeev's name) you'll find a link to my previous post about his backstory and combat information for him (I sent it to Mark as well, so it may appear linked in the actual competition page soon). His Paladin special mount is a Pegasus, which hes been riding since week 1 (he had to take to the skies to deal with Leoalcorn, after all). Hence hes not ground-bound like the Reaper, Golem, and Titan, and can battle the Nycaloth in the skies just fine. And oh, look who we got this week! A quasi-decent fiend and a giant walking brain! What is it with WotC and brains all of a sudden? Did a large proportion of their staff become zombified? You do remember that the Intellect Devourer has been on the sidelines from the beggining ss one of the poster-nominated creatures, right? Zevox
Rhadamanthus 11-08-05, 07:51 PM	You do remember that the Intellect Devourer has been on the sidelines from the beggining ss one of the poster-nominated creatures, right? What I meant was that all of the brains seem to be joining in the fight at the same time. Also, the image of a WotC staff meeting composed mostly of zombies just struck me as hilarious: WotC Executive: "We're still having trouble coming up with ideas for what the next book should be. Zombie Jim, do you have any suggestions?" Zombie Jim: "Brainsssss...." WotC Executive: "More Psionic material! Excellent work, Zombie Jim! Do you all agree?" Various Zombies: "Brainssss...Brainssss..."
KhanSemus 11-08-05, 08:09 PM	question: as I don't have my books by me. why do ppl hope the Titan will be taken over? If it is a mind-affect, the Titan is immune to it. Vote Titan, smash them all
Balor von Balorvitch 11-08-05, 08:29 PM	What I meant was that all of the brains seem to be joining in the fight at the same time. Also, the image of a WotC staff meeting composed mostly of zombies just struck me as hilarious: WotC Executive: "We're still having trouble coming up with ideas for what the next book should be. Zombie Jim, do you have any suggestions?" Zombie Jim: "Brainsssss...." WotC Executive: "More Psionic material! Excellent work, Zombie Jim! Do you all agree?" Various Zombies: "Brainssss...Brainssss..." Of course they are all 'yes' zombies, how else can they make the Vow of Poverty! LOL. PS: I agree with zombie JM more Psi material!
Siberys 11-08-05, 08:42 PM	WotC Executive: "We're still having trouble coming up with ideas for what the next book should be. Zombie Jim, do you have any suggestions?" Zombie Jim: "Brainsssss...." WotC Executive: "More Psionic material! Excellent work, Zombie Jim! Do you all agree?" Various Zombies: "Brainssss...Brainssss..." ¡Sigged! I have built up quite a collection of quotes... and, I dare say; Gotta catch 'em All!
Rhadamanthus 11-08-05, 09:03 PM	¡Sigged! I have built up quite a collection of quotes... and, I dare say; Gotta catch 'em All! I'm flattered.
Slagger the Chuul 11-08-05, 10:15 PM	So, Taibo will be coming in on the last round (unless Harold makes a surprise reappearance); it'll have a lot of ground to make up, and will probably have to use all four hands to fight off the opposition. Since there is so much for all the other competitors, it would be remiss of me to avoid acclaiming the poor filcher monk. Here, then, a little origin story. The Ballad of Taibo A filcher once, both swift and slim, Was dancing through the ether dim. Its mind a-rush and planning stealth, Its aim; to snare a dragon's wealth. When fading from its murky plane, It spied a sight to tax its brain. The dragon whom it sought to rob, Did strive against a motley mob. But as that mob did smite their foe, With sword and spell, with axe and bow, The dragon, black, drew in its breath, And laid them low with searing death. And when the acrid fumes did clear, A single figure did appear. Not armed with blade or fiery globe, It wore naught but a simple robe. Above the bodies of fallen kith, An empty hand it battles with. It darts from claw, up scales dark, And on the head it makes a mark. And though such blow it should not feel, The might beast did rear and reel, Shuddering final to the floor, The terror dark would fly no more. As thief in shadows fought surprise, Within it then did feelings rise. No knife or bauble could prevail, 'Gainst the doom of blackened scale. When champion stooped to allies heal, There lit a spark of holy zeal. In silent vow the lurker swore, Disdaining trinkets evermore. In evening sun, group staggers out, With gems and jewelry all about, But as they leave, these heroes bold, The thief escapes with more than gold. Slagger the Chuul accepts no responsibility for language damage caused by archaic sentence styles.
Hedstrong 11-08-05, 10:26 PM	So, Taibo will be coming in on the last round (unless Harold makes a surprise reappearance); it'll have a lot of ground to make up, and will probably have to use all four hands to fight off the opposition. Since there is so much for all the other competitors, it would be remiss of me to avoid acclaiming the poor filcher monk. Here, then, a little origin story. The Ballad of Taibo A filcher once, both swift and slim, Was dancing through the ether dim. Its mind a-rush and planning stealth, Its aim; to snare a dragon's wealth. When fading from its murky plane, It spied a sight to tax its brain. The dragon whom it sought to rob, Did strive against a motley mob. But as that mob did smite their foe, With sword and spell, with axe and bow, The dragon, black, drew in its breath, And laid them low with searing death. And when the acrid fumes did clear, A single figure did appear. Not armed with blade or fiery globe, It wore naught but a simple robe. Above the bodies of fallen kith, An empty hand it battles with. It darts from claw, up scales dark, And on the head it makes a mark. And though such blow it should not feel, The might beast did rear and reel, Shuddering final to the floor, The terror dark would fly no more. As thief in shadows fought surprise, Within it then did feelings rise. No knife or bauble could prevail, 'Gainst the doom of blackened scale. When champion stooped to allies heal, There lit a spark of holy zeal. In silent vow the lurker swore, Disdaining trinkets evermore. In evening sun, group staggers out, With gems and jewelry all about, But as they leave, these heroes bold, The thief escapes with more than gold. Slagger the Chuul accepts no responsibility for language damage caused by archaic sentence styles. :clap: Thats great, really portrays it well, how long'd that take you?
Zevox 11-08-05, 10:59 PM	Most impressive Slagger, very nice indeed :clap: . I think that Taibo just rose a few spots on my list of creatures to vote for if/when Zeev falls :) . You should send a link to that post to Mark so he can link it to Taibo's description on the main Creature Competition page. Zevox
RavinRay 11-09-05, 04:02 AM	I'd like to see the Succubus Paladin make a guest appearance in the stands and see Sir Zeev's reaction to a drop-dead gorgeous reformed fiend now serving the cause of good. She might even distract him sufficiently to trip up. :P
T.R.I.P. 11-09-05, 10:36 AM	A aasimar could also choose the celestial bloodline and outsider wings feats, wich grant him flight! He dousn't even have to be on his pegasus mount to fly!!
Morka 11-09-05, 10:48 AM	Ah, but thats precisely the problem: breaking the brain out of its jar only eliminates half the creature. Even without the brain the Golem can continue on, just like a regular Iron Golem. It'd just lose the sentient guidance and fall back on its last recieved commands. Zevox I guess the last order would be something like:"Noooooo......." Ahem. Like I said earlier, with Tallis fall, I rally my vote to Sir Zeev. I also have a thing for living monsters, they are more... alive! It's strange, in the first competition, I was fully behind the Warforge Ninja. Perhaps was it the cold assassin feeling, or just the idea of this half-metallic warrior moving really fast. Now, I don't find anything appealing with some huge, mindless pile of scrap, immune to everything and following a linear pattern.
Menugg the cruel 11-09-05, 12:15 PM	I think it would have been cool if the site had allowed loyal fans to submit there best characters.They could of giving us restrictions and a lv cap then they could have accepted the best of the bunch.I mean we all know there awesome at making characters and all but what about there faithful followers for the last ''upteen'' years.I think that would of been a little more interesting. :P
Demon Pharo 11-09-05, 12:17 PM	I really am not one for the WF Titan or the the Juice Jar in a golem. My vote are going to the Mino, reaper, and Nycaloth in that order They are the only creatures that would seem to have Flavor to me. Every thing Else is a little vanilla for me
Demon Pharo 11-09-05, 12:31 PM	I could see if the Mino and the reaper teamed up that would be cool Varuna would pick Zeev up and throw him like a ball right into the hungry blade of Terminus for a Total Kill landing Zeev into two different piles of now worthless flesh that would be cool The Pegasus can be used for bonus material Use the goo to trip the Titan up and Take him out The walking brain is really not much more than a giant dodge ball the rest will fall into place literally
Balor von Balorvitch 11-10-05, 08:00 AM	Slagger the Chuul: Are you saying he has a vow of poverty???? LOL so awsome! Taibo is awsome! Really guys if as soon as he enters the competion their is no logical way he would lose until the last round as as i see it no mages and no Jaggurant come down to no hitting Taibo while ethereal. Zevox: I say the peg is banned from ring side lol! Having a mount, even if it is a class ability means a free monster to do bidding, and its like me summiting that Varuna has the leadership feat so all his hommies come into the arena. And IF he flys with a Pegasus it would make a nice target for reaping and then the fall damage Menugg the Cruel: Dude have you no clue? Fans did make these monsters, some are more attached to the submiter as in names, as it apears that Zevox is actually battling as Sir Zeev.(Smite them Zevox!) Hmmm maybe i should have submited my self......... Vampire Balor named Balorvitch! Na no one really likes me and Sir Zeev would give me some Humility smites!
Zevox 11-10-05, 12:33 PM	Zevox: I say the peg is banned from ring side lol! Having a mount, even if it is a class ability means a free monster to do bidding, and its like me summiting that Varuna has the leadership feat so all his hommies come into the arena. And IF he flys with a Pegasus it would make a nice target for reaping and then the fall damage Not at all. This is a class ability to summon the mount from anywhere we're refering to, not a feat that lets you have little guys follow you around. Its like saying that the Gelatinous Man couldn't have cast summoning spells (if he'd lasted long enough to do so), or that the Vrock couldn't have tried to summon more of its kind. And how does he make a good target for Reaping if he flies on the Pegasus? The Reaper is 100% ground-bound, being already CR12 and thus incapable of improving without overreaching the CR limit, and it doesn't take much to keep yourself out of range of a medium size creature with a five foot reach when you're flying. Zevox
Menugg the cruel 11-10-05, 01:25 PM	Thanks for telling me did'nt know just joined site two days ago.Oh I have a clue though like these were the best ideas the great fans of d&d could come with.That is just sad there is nothing that impressive or really original It makes me sad.
RK)13 11-10-05, 07:12 PM	I agree, I wish that I was reading the boards when the suggestions were being made... I probably would have had fun with templates or something.... Bob, the multiheaded gelatinous ogre of legend or some such thing... but then I am silly.
tiercel 11-10-05, 10:08 PM	I find it a little disheartening that the Big Bruisers seem to be popular ones -- I like some of the more multifunctional, unusual contestants. My take on who we've got at this stage: Sir Zeev: Seems to be doing well based on Zevox's description, and picking up the "good guy" vote. Didn't hurt his popularity early that he had an obvious nemesis (vrock ranger), and more fiends entering the arena now. People getting undead/construct fatigue might just turn to the holy warrior to get the job done. With his mounted mobility and access to healing, can pick and choose fights and recover in between. Titan 54: See Big Bot. Big Bot Smash. Smash Bot Smash. OK, I'm probably being a little harsh here, but what we've got is a classic, near-mindless Big Bruiser. Worse, at least for me, it is a specialized monster that doesn't fit into any random setting for me -- sure, it's cool in a steampunk-type setting (e.g. Eberron), but I wouldn't just use it in my game. Still, a lot of people like 'bots. I don't have access to its stats but it if it doesn't have fast healing/regen, realistically it should be getting pretty banged up by now with all of the Burly Brawl action going on in the middle of the ring. Rhandis: Seems like an interesting idea, but I don't have the book with Dark Stalker in it, and I'm not that familiar with the XPH... so it's hard for me to gauge this guy's abilities beyond vague generalities. Nice background by Kobold Avenger. Been hanging around in the shadows, but a lot of people don't know or don't identify or don't feel strongly about him, I'm guessing, based on the vote... unless something happens for him to make a move, he could face elimination in the next round. Terminus: Grim Reaper sort of, apparently. Again, don't have entropic reaper stats, so hard to judge. Points for cool archetype, but not knowing much else about him makes it hard for me to get excited -- and what I do know suggests that he may not do well in a construct and undead heavy competition. Varuna: It's a mummy. A mummy that's bigger and stronger because it is a minotaur mummy. A minotaur mummy that's bigger and stronger because it is a minotaur mummy of Legend. Don't get me wrong -- I like mummies -- but I like mummies that are good at more than Smash, too. My guess is that if you statted this guy up within the CR limit, his hp might be a bit low for the sort of Burly Brawl action that's going on right now, but, eh. Laenya: Don't know much about the Coure, but a flying outsider using at-will ranged abilities of a warlock sounds pretty effective. Again, a nice little background writeup by Kobold Avenger. I would think Laenya would do well (picking her battles from range) for the most part, but apparently voters find her overly cute/twee based on the vote so far... Unfortunate, since it seems like her build might be a good synergy between type and class. Golem/Jar: Another Big Hitter, except this one has a brain. Of course, it's a brain that sits in a glass jar in melee, so you have to wonder about its Wisdom score, but there you go. Two actions per round would probably make it effective, if the Brain didn't have to use its psionic action every round to make the competition judges ignore that its golem-body alone breaks the CR limit for the competition, much less the hybrid. As presented, I just can't help but think anyone who encounters it will point, say "break the jar!", and 6 seconds later it's just another golem. Nycaloth: Points for old-school fiendishness -- why mess around with demon-style Evil or devil-style Evil when you can have pre-Abyss, pre-Hells raw Evil? Still, what's the particular spin here -- why this particular beast? I sense potential, but on the other hand I also sense a Zeev-flavored smackdown coming for this beastie, given his hatred of and expertise in slaying fiends. Int Devourer: ...trying to get past the image of a brain on legs. Trying.... ugh... appearance isn't everything, and I'm sure this thing has its points, but... I don't know. I picture other contestants looking at, just going "yuck," and weird psionic stuff starts happening and they just blow it up. Again, I'm not that familiar with XPH so maybe I would feel differently if I knew more about it, but it is kinda silly-looking.... ...in waiting... Taibo: I think this is a very cool combo idea (and spiffy writeup too by Slagger the Chuul). A well designed monk is really hard to take down -- one that can duck and weave the ethereal plane? Nastier. Vow of Poverty is undoubtedly scary for this character (whatever your opinion of the cheese-factor might be). Taibo will definitely bear watching! Harold: The way we are getting teased here -- with Harold abruptly "vanishing," returning for some color commentary, having a little spat with ARDy, and then we are told next time two competitors will be eliminated, leaving only one (?) to enter..... and a bard's virtual requirement to grandstand.... you have to think there is a pretty good chance that we will see Harold hop in at some point. Those of you who have read my previous posts know that I am a big fan of bards, and I will probably go on about it more if and when Harold hops in. The question is whether Harold can overcome mountains of knee-jerk "Bards SUCK!!!!1!" stereotype and prejudice to win votes....
Hedstrong 11-10-05, 10:31 PM	OK yea sure the Titan 54's a giant robot of war. so obviously its not very creative and thus it sux. Come on people! look at its description, "gaint robot of war" whats with everyone thinking its just some big dumb thing that goes, "smash smash smash" These things were built for complex war strategies BY complex war strategists. Sure it wont be doing advanced calculus anytime soon, but its sure gonna know common battle tactics like, "take the high ground", "keep working the biggest threat", I think if its played right, (which ive done) this creature can become VERy creative. Now as for the "REALISTICALLY" im MY opinion, whos said its really taken all that much damage? Everytime battles bin described its bin about some other creatures, with a side note that the Titans still keeping his ground in center. I see him as his damage reduction taking care of most of the damage leaving it with tiny dings. But ofcourse others can argue bout that idea if ya want, wont change my visualization though
Zevox 11-11-05, 12:13 AM	Thanks for telling me did'nt know just joined site two days ago.Oh I have a clue though like these were the best ideas the great fans of d&d could come with.That is just sad there is nothing that impressive or really original It makes me sad. I think you're missing the point - we were asked to nominate creatures we like for the competition, not the most creative creature we could think of. Evidently, quite a number of us are fond of fairly typical creatures (hence we've got the Hydra, Titan, Reaper, ect.). However, I must disagree that theres nothing original or impressive about. What about the Vrock Ranger that deserted the Blood Wars to hunt its own kind? The Ethereal Filcher with a conscience that has trained as a Monk? The Coure Eladrin with talent as a Warlock whom watches over the Fey peoples? The Minotaur chieftan who was so legendary in life that he was mummified after death and raised as an undead guardian of his own labyrinth tomb? How are those unimpressive or unoriginal? :confused: Zevox
RavinRay 11-11-05, 07:08 AM	Int Devourer: ...trying to get past the image of a brain on legs. Trying.... ugh... appearance isn't everything, and I'm sure this thing has its points, but... I don't know. I picture other contestants looking at, just going "yuck," and weird psionic stuff starts happening and they just blow it up. Again, I'm not that familiar with XPH so maybe I would feel differently if I knew more about it, but it is kinda silly-looking.... Well, It can use cloud mind to render itself virtually undetectable to any non-mindless creature. It can compress itself to better dodge/avoid an opponent's blows, like that blasted scythe. :P It can deal Charisma damage with ego whip and confuse targets with id insinuation. Those are usable at will. It can heal itself with body adjustment. It can resist the brain-in-a-jar's abilities with intellect fortress. And because it is a fiendish devourer (which slew its own cerebrilith master), it can use smite on Sir Zeev and Laenya. Oh, and it has a slew of immunities (fire), resistance (cold, electricty, magic, psionic powers), and damage reduction. Plus, before ARDy tosses out the corpses of its victims out of the arena, it will consume their brains and enter their bodies and use them as it they were its own. Being underestimated as silly-looking can be hazardous to one's health... :eek:
Menugg the cruel 11-11-05, 12:29 PM	I think you're missing the point - we were asked to nominate creatures we like for the competition, not the most creative creature we could think of. Evidently, quite a number of us are fond of fairly typical creatures (hence we've got the Hydra, Titan, Reaper, ect.). However, I must disagree that theres nothing original or impressive about. What about the Vrock Ranger that deserted the Blood Wars to hunt its own kind? The Ethereal Filcher with a conscience that has trained as a Monk? The Coure Eladrin with talent as a Warlock whom watches over the Fey peoples? The Minotaur chieftan who was so legendary in life that he was mummified after death and raised as an undead guardian of his own labyrinth tomb? How are those unimpressive or unoriginal? :confused: Zevox Look these guys are still basic the mino of legend is a template in the mm2 book.What about a half dragon halfling barbarian that be something to see.Or a undead paladin how devotion was so strong he came back to serve.I mean something.
Zevox 11-11-05, 12:38 PM	Look these guys are still basic the mino of legend is a template in the mm2 book.What about a half dragon halfling barbarian that be something to see. And the Half-Dragon template from the MM isn't basic :rolleye2: ? I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can belittle the guys I pointed out yet claim that something like that is creative. Or a undead paladin how devotion was so strong he came back to serve. Sounds curiously like a certain Minotaur we've got in the arena right now :rolleyes: . Zevox
Yar 11-11-05, 01:29 PM	The brain in a jar sound suspishouly like a certain other undead monsters whos existance depended on the sturdyness of her golem. NAMELY THAT BLASTED ANOYING LICH FROM THE LAST COMPETITION. If that freaken brain wins i am gonna be so ticked off. Some spectator should just chuck a rock at the jar. have it land infront of the Undead minotaur and he can do what come natural to undead creatures whome come across juicy grey matter. Anyway Eanough rambling. Yar
Wotc_Mark 11-11-05, 04:24 PM	The story of Terminus -- By Rhadamanthus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yea, it was long ago in eons past, when the great Cotermination of Chaos did occur. The creatures of pure, undiluted chaos, the Chaos Beasts, the Slaad, even the Githzerai struggled accross the maelstrom of Limbo to spill over into the Material world, even briefly. One being, however, would triumph over the other beings of chaos, and give the servitors of law and life a new nightmare... It was Terminus, embodiment of death and chaos. A living being now long dead, the time was ripe for him to cut through the meager barrier separating him from our world with his menacing scythe of doom. Once beyond the barrier, he wasted no time in doing what he did best; doing only what he knew to do: kill. He and his scythe spilled the blood of countless mortals, armies tossed aside, unspeakable nightmare creatures reduced to mere puddles, entire civilizations unmade, no neck was safe from the power of the scythe. In time, Terminus gained the service of a death-cult, a legion dedicated to the power of the death-gods. With their help, Terminus was able to go even further than he could have dreamed. Entire monastaries and holy places were defiled and desecrated, their inhabitants obliterated. Kingdoms were shattered, nations scattered, it was a dark time indeed. It seemed that nothing would end Terminus and his followers, now dubbed the Scythe Acolytes. Nothing, until one day... On one occaision, Terminus and the Scythe Acolytes were busy cutting down a swath of mages in a prestigious mage academy, in what seemed like no time at all, the puny human spellcasters were reduced to nothing, save their principal, an old, blind diviner. Just as Terminus himself was infiltrating the inner sanctum of the school, the diviner spat out prophecies of the future, although Terminus was hardly interested in what he considered meaningless blather. However, just as he raised his scythe for the final blow, the diviner uttered his final words: "The conflict of ages, a contest of power, some shall fall, some shall rise, you will find your scythe tested. Kill me if you will, but your day shall come, for good or for ill." As Terminus sank his crackling blade into the aged wizard, he reflected on those last words: "...your day shall come, for good or for ill." It was then that he realized that the old bag was indeed truthful, and that he would become engaged in the ultimate test of his power, the competition of ultimate power. Knowing this, Terminus decided to bide his time until that fateful day when the competing forces would clash. Secluded within an ancient temple situated upon the precipice of a foul graveyard, Terminus slept, guarded by his loyal Scythe Acolytes. He rested, and waited... Now that day has come, and Terminus is ready to sink his scythe into the necks of all the worthy competition.
I_am_an_undead 11-11-05, 04:50 PM	Woah! :eek: Before I was voting for Terminus because entropic reapers were cool undead but now... I have a whole new reason for it. If someone didn't understand, I like the story... ...A lot... ...A whole lot. Hey, Rhadamanthus, can I be a scythe acolyte? Hehehe... I've got something new for my signature. :D <_<
Wotc_Mark 11-11-05, 06:28 PM	Being underestimated as silly-looking can be hazardous to one's health... :eek:Or it can cause you to get the least votes ... which is what is happening to the poor Devourer as of friday at 3pm... MJ
Kobold Avenger 11-11-05, 11:08 PM	Anyways here's some of the tactics for my creatures (I'll go an edit the previous background entry too): Rhandis: As a Dark Stalker Rhandis is quite comfortable in the darkness, he naturally resides on senses other than sight (blindsight 60') and has the ability to wrap himself in shadows making it harder for others to hit him (they get a miss chance due to concealment). He's naturally quite stealthy and can call up a cloud of fog to cover his approach. As a Soulknife Rhandis is pretty well armed all the time, as he can call up his shadowy mindblase at any time. It's what makes him an effective assassin. He prefers to wait quietly and silently for whoever his target may be. Rhandis is really patient and well have his mind blade imbued and be psionically focussed as well as unseen. He prefers to kill with one strike, and will wait for his opponents to be softened up. When they're not suspecting it, he'll throw his mind blade which often has poison applied, using sneak attack, the psychic strike class ability and the (greater) psionic weapon feat expending his focus. If his opponent still stands, he rushes in for the kill for a couple of strikes or so, with a hit and run attack. If his target still stands he'll run away long enough to charge up his attack again. Rhandis prefers to use his mindblade as a longsword if he's engaged in melee for any prolonged period of time. The special ability of his mindblade is chosen for whoever he may be facing at the time, often it's the psychokinetic quality (+1d4 damage). He has a number of useful psionic tattoos including a couple tattoos of Body Adjustment. Laenya: Laenya likes to play the cute and innocent one, seemingly harmless and pretending to be very frightened, so she can lull her enemies into a false sense of security. She pretend to cry, and then she'll unleash the full fury of her powers on her opponent. She uses dancing lights, faerie fire abilities along with her invocations so soften up and distract her opponents. She's highly maneuvrable and can fly really fast. After distracting her opponents she quickly flies far away from their reach where she unleashes her eldritch blasts on them (at least 4d6+ damage ranged touch attack), and she does indeed possess the Eldritch Spear Invocation which greatly extends the range of her attack. She can easily hide, and is quite unassuming based on her size. Even more to her advantage is her ability to become an incorporeal ball of light, where she's impervious to many such attacks. She focusses on invocations that help her distract or hinder opponents, inlcuding the ability to become invisible. Once she's in a fight she'll always attempts to keep her distance from her opponent, making her an even more difficult target.
Rhadamanthus 11-12-05, 12:52 PM	Hey, Rhadamanthus, can I be a scythe acolyte? Hehehe... I've got something new for my signature. <_< Right on I_am_an_undead! My sig too has been altered! Join the Scythe Acolytes and rip the world of the living into tiny, little, bite-sized particles! While I'm at it, I may as well follow suit with Kobold Avenger and post Terminus's tactics: Terminus has deceptively simple battle tactics. Using his power attack and whirlwind attack feats, he can deal damage to multiple enemies at the same time. Terminus knows that many beings in the competition can resist his penultimate entropic scythe attack, so he goes after the immune ones first, using his fast healing, damage reduction, and spell resistance to keep him "alive" whilst taking chunks out of his enemies. Once he's cut down the number of big bruisers, he goes after the enemies who can be affected by his powerful scythe. Then, it's just a simple matter of taking down any stragglers. If Terminus gets too banged up, he can always hang back for a while and let his fast healing kick in for a round or two. With infinite healing, it's unlikely that he will lose. True, some opponents use ranged attacks, but if they have any brains they will attack each other, thus giving Terminus leave to dispense with them as he pleases. My darling reaper will soon be the only one standing. I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank Mark for putting up the past I devised for Terminus. I happen to like it (and so do others, if I_am_an_undead's response is any indication). So, here's me saying: Vote Terminus! That bandaged cow is not the better undead!
Menugg the cruel 11-12-05, 07:19 PM	And the Half-Dragon template from the MM isn't basic :rolleye2: ? I'm sorry, I just don't understand how you can belittle the guys I pointed out yet claim that something like that is creative. Sounds curiously like a certain Minotaur we've got in the arena right now :rolleyes: . ZevoxLook no doubt your characters are fine role playing ideas.But this was for a strait up fight im pretty sure you all thought long and hard about you r backgrounds.What is the point it's just one big fight.I could create one big hulk that would do over 100 hp a swing and make all saves and have spell resistance.It would be a joke ooh a mino of legend, or a titan please give me 15 levels and all give you the world.
Hedstrong 11-12-05, 07:47 PM	Look no doubt your characters are fine role playing ideas.But this was for a strait up fight im pretty sure you all thought long and hard about you r backgrounds.What is the point it's just one big fight.I could create one big hulk that would do over 100 hp a swing and make all saves and have spell resistance.It would be a joke ooh a mino of legend, or a titan please give me 15 levels and all give you the world. Perhaps you missed the memo, no one ever said that these had to be straight up fighters. They said make some suggestions that you think would be very popular and imaginative. We'll pick the best ones. Sure anyone can come up with big brawlers with absolutly no story, and just a bunch of templates and min maxed classes, but wheres the fun in that? In a sence since this IS a battle arena, you could argue that they should be all big brawlers, but really it all boils down to a popularity contest not a CR comparison.
Greenintern 11-12-05, 07:52 PM	Look no doubt your characters are fine role playing ideas.But this was for a strait up fight im pretty sure you all thought long and hard about you r backgrounds.What is the point it's just one big fight.I could create one big hulk that would do over 100 hp a swing and make all saves and have spell resistance.It would be a joke ooh a mino of legend, or a titan please give me 15 levels and all give you the world. 1. Please learn how to punctuate and spell. Please. 2. A background makes for a more inteesting fight. The contestants were drawn from suggestions placed by players, not WotC staff. You can't blame a player for wanting his character to have a background (although it seems that you might). 3. It's all fine and good if you can create a 100 damage/swing-makes all saves-spell resistance brawler, but if you can't fit him in the CR limit for this event, it wouldn't make a difference. The point is to see who's the toughest submission (or at least the crowd favorite) among the community. Granted there have been a couple of entries that grate against the CR, but at least they are close (the juggernaut is debateable, although it did go down in one round).
Zevox 11-12-05, 08:05 PM	Look no doubt your characters are fine role playing ideas.But this was for a strait up fight im pretty sure you all thought long and hard about you r backgrounds.What is the point it's just one big fight.I could create one big hulk that would do over 100 hp a swing and make all saves and have spell resistance.It would be a joke ooh a mino of legend, or a titan please give me 15 levels and all give you the world. Thats just the thing: this is structured around the story of a fight, but the competition is rather for which creature you like more, not necessarily who would win in a fight. You can compare who would win in a fight if you want, and you can base who you like more on that if you wish (that was the whole idea behind setting a CR limit on this competition, after all); but ultimately this is about popularity and which idea/creature you like the most, and few people base that solely on combat statistics. If you do, thats your choice. But just because the contestants are neither min/maxed nor made of a highly unusual array of templates and classes does not make them uncreative or any less fit for this competition. Zevox
KhanSemus 11-12-05, 08:23 PM	Look no doubt your characters are fine role playing ideas.But this was for a strait up fight im pretty sure you all thought long and hard about you r backgrounds.What is the point it's just one big fight.I could create one big hulk that would do over 100 hp a swing and make all saves and have spell resistance.It would be a joke ooh a mino of legend, or a titan please give me 15 levels and all give you the world. Actually, as others have said, there are CR limits. Plus, no matter how min/maxed you have a creature, it still comes down to chance. A roll of the dice, if you forgive the pun. We get by this with our roleplaying and voting. This is a fun way to interact, and gives ideas for developing our games. Don't ruin the party with swiping blindly.
tiercel 11-13-05, 09:14 PM	There is such a thing, amongst most gamers, as TOO min-maxed. As has been pointed out, look at what happened to the juggernaut in this competition. If you went by stats, it should have very likely annihilated its competition -- but it was unpopular because it was cheesily overpowered, a poster-child for Things Wrong with Monster Manual II. If, as a player in a game you bring in a super-uber-ultra-min-maxed character where the other players are more casual players, you and your character aren't going to be real popular if you constantly outshine them in combat due to your rule-combining skills. Likewise, just because as a DM, I *can* tweak a CR 12 monster and set it up to TPK my 12th-level party doesn't mean that I *should*. Having a fairly narrow range of CR allows us to debate the monsters in the competition as if they really were brawling, but in the end the votes fall with "monsters of this power level you personally like." Right now, that seems to be swinging in the "big hitter" direction, but we will see as the final contestants enter and the field begins to narrow whether that holds up.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-14-05, 10:10 AM	Fristly, I have to say that the monster chocies in this competion don't scream bubble gum monsters for PCs to friend or flay (save for the Hydra) and also they are not built to make the most powerful monster for cr 15 through templates and prestige classes. But the main goal is to make solid monsters that have templates and classes that fit the profile. (NO Succubus paladin here!) so thus i would use any of these monsters in my adventure (except the Jar Head! The only one not submitted by posters) In this way these choices are better than the frist competion who more often than not had major flaws in their characters. OK thats my 2 cent Rhadamanthus: :clap: :clap: love that story line! Like god, he makes sense now! You manged to capture his persona perfectly, I think you understand the nature of undeath even from reading your story line. It is unfortunate that not all the submiters are not invested in their choices. It would be nice if i heard alot more on the Nycaloth. I believe that Sir Zeev would not be where he is today without the help of Zevox, he championed him into the number 3 spot for awhile yet and when the bottom falls out on the big choices I think alot of people will vote for the Zeev..... :D despite his pegasus mount !( and for the record i just like saying "banned from ringside!") but alas that is still not the worst paladin mount i have heard of, not even the worst in a WoTC creature competition *cough vrock *cough
Rhadamanthus 11-14-05, 09:02 PM	Rhadamanthus: love that story line! Like god, he makes sense now! You manged to capture his persona perfectly, I think you understand the nature of undeath even from reading your story line. Aww, shucks...twas nothing... Glad to see people appreciate a little spice with their unseasoned undead.
Illion the Red 11-15-05, 12:30 PM	Why can't I get the image of the Intellect Devourer perched atop Titan 54's head, reducing the rest of the field to 0-Cha induced catatonia?
Menugg the cruel 11-15-05, 01:10 PM	:rolleyes: Thats just the thing: this is structured around the story of a fight, but the competition is rather for which creature you like more, not necessarily who would win in a fight. You can compare who would win in a fight if you want, and you can base who you like more on that if you wish (that was the whole idea behind setting a CR limit on this competition, after all); but ultimately this is about popularity and which idea/creature you like the most, and few people base that solely on combat statistics. If you do, thats your choice. But just because the contestants are neither min/maxed nor made of a highly unusual array of templates and classes does not make them uncreative or any less fit for this competition. ZevoxThats dumb as hell what is the point.In that case it's just votes .Thats lame I thought it was like a real fight.Instead it's just the people who created the monsters trying to get more votes.Thats retarded geez and you guys are really into it too.Wow thats sad I thought maybe the characters were all getting played and a huge fight was going on.Instead it's just people trying to think of more ways to vote for there characters.I mean its bad enough we play fantasy role playing games.You guys though have gone even farther then that I mean at least when you play with your friends you control the outcome of your characters fate.Here its just votes against other votes thats retarded.Thats what gives d&d a bad wrap is people like you taking it to far.I mean hanging with your friends drinking a little killing some monsters and laughing at stupid stuff is fun.Creating characters for an online contest just to see who is cooler is stupid.
Menugg the cruel 11-15-05, 01:15 PM	Why can't I get the image of the Intellect Devourer perched atop Titan 54's head, reducing the rest of the field to 0-Cha induced catatonia? :D I freaking love munchies I saw them at the store and grabbed a bag.Now every gaming session got have em.Also agree that the plot never goes like it is supposed to.In your head it is all thought out and great and perfect but as soon as we start playing the party want to go to the woods and not the catacombs.Or they kill the shop keeper or steal from the keep so on and so on. :confused:
Demon Pharo 11-15-05, 01:18 PM	Granted mind blasty powers are cool but if you are going to run them, run them against others with the same ability. I believe it was the last issue of dragon that had a creature that would totally rule a mind fight. It was a cross between a Dragon and a Mindflayer Looked pretty cool. I don't have the issue with me right now unfortunately, Sorry! I just think that power such as thoughs can be represented in a better fashion than a walking brain. AS for this Comp My vote are still going for the minolegend and the Reaper
Wotc_Mark 11-15-05, 01:34 PM	Fiendish Failure The fiendish pair, of nycaloth and intellect devourer, could not impress the arena their first week -- and were both tossed out! - Warforged Titan: 17.6% - Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 15.4% - Iron Golem Brain in a Jar: 13.9% - Minotaur: 12.8% - Dark Stalker Soulknife: 11.2% - Entropic Reaper: 10.9% - Laenya Coure Warlock: 9.1% - Yugoloth: Nycaloth: 5.9% - Fiendish Intellect Devourer: 3.2% With half the competition now gone we will see what the remaining 8 are made of... MJ :cool:
Balor von Balorvitch 11-15-05, 01:44 PM	Wow Sir Zeev is soooo good he manged to elminate 2 fiends in one week, gain 2nd place being only 2.2% away from finally taking Disco Inferno Warforged out of 1st place! WHile that seems like a mild victory its the closest yet! My prediction next week, it will be the end of that (openly :D) Fey Warlock! And Termanus will gain quite a few places with that cool bio being released. Hopefully Titan 54 will be knocked down to 2nd by Zeev and Mino Mum will take 3rd place taking down Jar Head. As for Jar head...... who is voting for him? and why? He seems as boring as a Half Fiend Acolyte of the skin.
Hunting Wolf 11-15-05, 02:05 PM	I vote for the Minotaur of Legend All the way. what beter than to have battled so hard in life, than to be worshipped and brought back to wreck more havoc upon unsuspecting warforged, and a a golem that has a brain in a jar.
deathgigas 11-15-05, 02:28 PM	As for Jar head...... who is voting for him? and why? He seems as boring as a Half Fiend Acolyte of the skin. well obviously the marines...and people who like liches...liches who forsake their bodies in favor of a metal one...or people who are fans of giant robot anime, as this is more giant robot than the self controled warforged, just wait until the golem is down to its last few HP and summons a giant sword that instakills the opponents... as fo me I go for the dark stalker because I have loved psionics for a long time now and I like rogues, which the dark stalker has that feel. I just love the thought of him standing in the shadows and chucking a sword at the enemies every couple rounds and eventually charging and climbing the titan to stab straight at its brain unit like in shadow of the colossus or various action movies, but I am silly like that.
RavinRay 11-15-05, 04:10 PM	Tsk tsk. Fiends don't get no respect. Ah well. Good luck to the remaining players. Now, why is ARDy ribbing on Harold so much? Could it be a case of secret envy of his singing prowess? Maybe Harold's a dragonsong lyrist that ARDy has issues with.
Fanatic-Templar 11-15-05, 04:17 PM	Sir Zeev is amazing! Can noone delay his ascension? Behold the power of a worthy cause! On another note... Originally posted by Menugg the cruel I mean its bad enough we play fantasy role playing games. What, is someone forcing you to play dungeons and dragons? And compelling you to post on a fantasy roleplaying gamesite? The arrogance of some people daring to roleplay in a roleplaying game! I stand fully behind you, all these "dumb retards" as you name them have no place in a fantasy roleplaying game, what with their fantasy roleplaying ways! We have to obey the rules! The ruuuuuuuuuules!
Zevox 11-15-05, 04:26 PM	Well well. Saw the Intellect Devourer's fall coming, but I never thought that the Nycaloth would fall with it. And Sir Zeev advances to 2nd place as well :D . Very nice - hes not been there since week 2. And it certainly sounds like Harold is going to show next week - which is good, as it would be an injustice if he was never given the chance to so much as try to win the competition after being given a slot. More interesteing yet, the middle-ranked creatures are receiving very close votes. Rhandis pulled ahead of Terminus by only .3%, and Terminus leads Laenya by less than 2%. The Golem and Minotaur are pretty secure in thier positions for now, but unless Taibo turns out to be pretty unpopular it'll be one of those three who falls next week, and theres no clear-cut loser. Now is when it gets really interesting :) . And continuing on the "if it were a fight" lines: Sir Zeev and Laenya: With the last flying competitor besides them slain, these two have free rein of the skies of the arena. With no reason to fight each other when wicked opponents still litter the arena, they're going to be raining death on Terminus, Varuna, and Rhandis - though Zeev may soon run out of arrows, forcing him to switch to other tactics. Titan 54 vs. Golem/Brain vs. Varuna vs. Terminus: And the tough guy slugfest continues. According to Rhadamanthus, Terminus would get involved in this battle as well, complicating it further. The Titan continues its dominance in first place, but we'll see how long that lasts. Perhaps Terminus and Varuna could forge a temporary alliance or the undead to bring down the constructs? Rhandis and Taibo: If Terminus isn't interested in either of these two, they're free to strike at whoever they please. Rhandis would likely lay back in the shadows while the others elminate each other, though perhaps he may opt to strike at Taibo if he remains alone. As for Taibo, who can guess the mind of such an unusual being? Would he strike at Rhandis, try hit-and-run tactics against the big guys, or even try to find a way up to Laenya and Zeev? Or would he, like Rhandis, be content to let the battle play out before getting involved? So many possibilities, and so little that is clear. Zevox
prettyripples 11-15-05, 04:47 PM	So, the Minotaur, the Warforged and Miss. Brain-in-a-Jar have been slugging it out in the middle for nearly three weeks by now, and they're still alright? Me, I'm thinking that sooner or later one's going to take a tumble, and the rest of the arena will smell blood &swoop down for the kill. I'd expect Rhandis, Taibo and Terminus to come running at the first sign of weakness, whilst Sir. Zeev looks on from above and Laenya tosses down a couple of bolts for fun... one proud giant is due a fall.
Zevox 11-15-05, 04:52 PM	:rolleyes: Thats dumb as hell what is the point.In that case it's just votes.Thats lame I thought it was like a real fight.Instead it's just the people who created the monsters trying to get more votes.Thats retarded geez and you guys are really into it too.Wow thats sad I thought maybe the characters were all getting played and a huge fight was going on.Instead it's just people trying to think of more ways to vote for there characters. The point is the same as with anything else (other than work, schooling, [dependant on your beliefs] religious activity, and the like): its an enjoyable way to pass your free time. Its no more sad to be spending your time on these forums debating about who deserves your vote in this competition than it is to spend your time standing around a mall talking to your friends about recent goings-on in sports competitions, or to spend it out driving through parks to see the scenery, or to spend it climbing a mountain. I mean its bad enough we play fantasy role playing games. You say that as though it were a bad thing somehow. D&D is just another enjoyable activity to be done in one's free time, no more shameful or "bad" than watching television, reading a novel, or sightseeing. You guys though have gone even farther then that I mean at least when you play with your friends you control the outcome of your characters fate.Here its just votes against other votes thats retarded.I mean hanging with your friends drinking a little killing some monsters and laughing at stupid stuff is fun.Creating characters for an online contest just to see who is cooler is stupid. That may be your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but understand that it is nothing more than that. As I said, this is a passtime: you enjoy or you don't. If you do, its a great way to enjoy your free time. If you don't, theres no reason to be here when you could be doing something else you'd actually enjoy. Personally, I find it quite enjoyable to discover which of the entrants in these Creature Competitions are the fan favorites, and find it quite enjoyable to debate thier merits, how they'd perform in a fight, and why I like or dislike them; and I also enjoy giving my own entrant a personality, story, and generally making him come to life. If you're uninterested in such things that go on in these comptitions, you're free to ignore them and go do something that you do enjoy. But deriding others for enjoying something which a mere passtime based on personal opinion is truly going too far. It also seems we disagree on the fundamentals of what makes D&D enjoyable, but I'll not get into that save to say that I disagree with the statement that "drinking a little killing some monsters and laughing at stupid stuff is fun" for a variety of reasons, as it would be even more off-topic than this has already gotten. Thats what gives d&d a bad wrap is people like you taking it to far. There are a number of things some people dislike about D&D, but this isn't anywhere near the top of that list, if its even on it. Nor is this taking it too far: its just another aspect of the game, the social aspect, in this case ocurring over the internet and being based around a fictional competition. Taking it too far would be if D&D were to take precedence over the rest of your life, which this competition does not cause any more than any other aspect of D&D. Zevox
KhanSemus 11-15-05, 06:50 PM	Ha Ha Ha. Though the fiends may fall and the knight rise to second place, the Warforged Titan will stand. I don't see the undead teaming with anyone, though I see the coure being taken out, with Taibo rising in the ranks. I will second the question: Who is voting for the golem?! Wow, I forgot the soulblade was still in this. Uncle Khan wants YOU to vote for Titan 54.
prettyripples 11-15-05, 07:50 PM	Uncle Khan wants YOU to vote for Titan 54. But wUncle, the Titan's scary - I wanna vote for the fairy :bigeyes: Seriously, if we're doing it by ability then standing in the middle = asking to die, and if we're doing it by coolness then, well, I'm not a fan.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-15-05, 08:06 PM	Ha! The living forces have made a surprising move! Rhandis, the master of shadows, has managed to pull ahead of death incarnate! :D Watch now, as the silent warrior sends a few more packing with slashes of his mindblade and the skill of a warrior-thief. Sir Zeev is even shoving down the upstarts and staking his claim in the arena. Whoever serves as his patron must really like him for his power to seem to grow with each week! Vote Rhandis!
deathgigas 11-15-05, 08:12 PM	I will second the question: Who is voting for the golem?! OH! I have another couple groups that might vote for him...the group that is unable to decide if they like constructs or undead more, so they take both...The psionics light group, they like psionics, but not that much, so they like the brain of pain... Also, I see Harold doing what Bards do best, and rather than directly entering the fray, causing a riot with all the angry spectators, rallying them to join the fight for their fallen favorites or defend there favorites who remain but might look like they need help, and staying behind them, though I guess that is what Ardy is there for.
Solarious 11-15-05, 11:01 PM	The 28 HD advanced Warforged Titan of a monstrosity commands for 7 weeks in a row! Standing in the midst of the piles of victims, it commands fear, respect, spite, dismissal, or loathing, depending on who you use Detect Thoughts on. Vote for the Warforged Titan, Meatbags! THE LORD OF BLADES COMMANDS YOU!!! And now, for a commercial break...:cheer: :cheer: Yay, Titan Fifty-Four! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Pound that Paladin into the floor :cheer: :cheer:This was brought to you by MarkB, making exceptional Eberron adventures for you! :D
Slagger the Chuul 11-16-05, 01:26 AM	THE LORD OF BLADES COMMANDS YOU!!! I think I'd give more heed if it was the Queen of Blades, really. :) Besides, the titan only has two arms, and while I might curse myself for quoting Wild Wild West: "Four of a kind always beats a pair."
Garyx 11-16-05, 10:39 AM	Well, things have gone as i have expeced for the most part. But come on guys, The Golem needs your votes so we can knock down the war forged, which im surprized is still alive might i add, and get some new competitors up into the first place spot.
Demon Pharo 11-16-05, 10:39 AM	Just because Varuna & Terminus are undead does not make them nonthinking. It is just showing that if you don't have to do all the work, let the near mindless order following wf and golem run over the ground pounders and then take them out. Then it is a matter of time before the fliers come down as they cannot stay up there forever. And when they do they will see the upcoming end of there lives. Varuna & Terminus don't sleep, hunger, or have needs that the living do so it all comes down to a waiting game.
Menugg the cruel 11-16-05, 12:49 PM	:eek: sorry
Menugg the cruel 11-16-05, 12:51 PM	The point is the same as with anything else (other than work, schooling, [dependant on your beliefs] religious activity, and the like): its an enjoyable way to pass your free time. Its no more sad to be spending your time on these forums debating about who deserves your vote in this competition than it is to spend your time standing around a mall talking to your friends about recent goings-on in sports competitions, or to spend it out driving through parks to see the scenery, or to spend it climbing a mountain. . Personally, I find it quite enjoyable to discover which of the entrants in these Creature Competitions are the fan favorites, and find it quite enjoyable to debate thier merits, how they'd perform in a fight, and why I like or dislike them; and I also enjoy giving my own entrant a personality, story, and generally making him come to life. If you're uninterested in such things that go on in these comptitions, you're free to ignore them and go do something that you do enjoy. But deriding others for enjoying something which a mere passtime based on personal opinion is truly going too far. There are a number of things some people dislike about D&D, but this isn't anywhere near the top of that list, if its even on it. Nor is this taking it too far: its just another aspect of the game, the social aspect, in this case ocurring over the internet and being based around a fictional competition. Taking it too far would be if D&D were to take precedence over the rest of your life, which this competition does not cause any more than any other aspect of D&D. ZevoxLook I think it's great that there is guys like you that really enjoy D&D.That is awesome I have been playing since I was twelve and I love it.To quote you though ''To debate there merits and how they'd perform in a fight''.That's what I dont like you guy's take time talking about how your guy has this and that and my mount is a pegasus and I would'nt fight up close.That's just it your guys arent fighting at all it's american idol with d&d. That's what I meant by saying you guy's have gone too far, D&D is great.Play it for what it is I mean you guy's get mad at me cause I say your characters are not good.You also go on to say that having an awesome background should not be a bad thing.True but what is the point in having a great story and not getting to role play it.Granted the juggy is hell on wheels but I would like to have seen the smarter characters team up to take it out.We dont get to see these ''great characters'' Act as they actually would instead ''random bob'' votes for paladins cause paladins rule and he wins.
Menugg the cruel 11-16-05, 01:04 PM	[QUOTE=Fanatic-Templar]Sir Zeev is amazing! Can noone delay his ascension? Behold the power of a worthy cause! On another note... What, is someone forcing you to play dungeons and dragons? And compelling you to post on a fantasy roleplaying gamesite? The arrogance of some people daring to roleplay in a roleplaying game! I stand fully behind you, all these "dumb retards" as you name them have no place in a fantasy roleplaying game, what with their fantasy roleplaying ways! Look not what I meant I was saying we already role play why play american idol too.At least on american idol those also compete but in the end the most popular wins.I love d&d it's awesome it's the last real place for your imagination. :weep:
Demon Pharo 11-16-05, 01:20 PM	Who cares if this D&D site is having a creature comp that is like American Idol. AS far as I know you are the only one complaining about it. The rest of us don't mind how this is ran. If you are having that much trouble with this then mabye you should be in a different forum.
Solarious 11-16-05, 01:47 PM	I think I'd give more heed if it was the Queen of Blades, really. :)But how can you say no to the one who will be the downfall of fleshie civilization as you know it and still live? We must remedy this immediately! BRING OUT THE DEATH RAY!!!Besides, the titan only has two arms, and while I might curse myself for quoting Wild Wild West: "Four of a kind always beats a pair."Well, if you really wanted, we can always solve this problem for you... :devil: *the back of the Warforged Titan opens up, unfolding an additional 4 arms to bear on the competition* [Warforged Titan]: YOU ARE NOT FIT TO TREMBLE IN MY PRESENCE. SCREAM LOUDLY FOR MY AMUSEMENT. [squish] [monster mash] [sizzle] :plotting: :evillaugh :plotting:
Zevox 11-16-05, 01:53 PM	To quote you though ''To debate there merits and how they'd perform in a fight''.That's what I dont like you guy's take time talking about how your guy has this and that and my mount is a pegasus and I would'nt fight up close.That's just it your guys arent fighting at all it's american idol with d&d. And yet the reason a CR limit was set for the entrants into the competition is precisely so that we could debate "who would win in a fight" as well as "who is cooler". Its just another way to have fun with the competition: why does it matter that its not actually an ocurring fight when the story for it sets it as such? That's what I meant by saying you guy's have gone too far, D&D is great.Play it for what it is I mean you guy's get mad at me cause I say your characters are not good. Actually, I wasn't mad at you; I had simply expected that you doing the same as the rest of us: debating the merits of each character, in this case saying that none was good. I was simply responding by saying I disagreed (and pointing out ones I thought were definitely good, original, creative ideas) and didn't understand why you thought the way you did. And again I say I disagree: this is by no means going "too far"; its just another way to enjoy the D&D universe. You also go on to say that having an awesome background should not be a bad thing.True but what is the point in having a great story and not getting to role play it.We dont get to see these ''great characters'' Act as they actually would instead ''random bob'' votes for paladins cause paladins rule and he wins. To give people a reason to vote for the characters beyond the race/class and small descritpion on the main page. To make the creatures more interesting and to make them seem like more than just randomly selected creatures. The whole point is that you vote for whoever you like most, and if the creatures have more to them than just a name, race, and in some cases class, you have more to base your decision on. And in the case of guys like Taibo it also serves to explain why they are what they are (in his case, an Ethereal Filcher Monk, more than a bit of an unusual creature) rather than just saying "they just are". Granted the juggy is hell on wheels but I would like to have seen the smarter characters team up to take it out. Actually, thats precisely what happened if you read ARDy's description of the end of week 2 (preserved in the first post in this thread). Zevox
Aneul 11-16-05, 04:48 PM	I think I'd give more heed if it was the Queen of Blades, really. :) Starcraft reference? I hate to say it Slagger, but pound for pound, my money goes to the warforged rather then the zerg. Now, on a more topic-related note, it'll be intresting to see how the Filcher fares in its first round...
Fanatic-Templar 11-16-05, 05:08 PM	Ladies, gentlemen and animated cadavers, I think we are all forgetting the important question here. Who beat up Harold in an obvious attempt to keep him out of the arena where he would easily have triumphed?
tiercel 11-16-05, 05:35 PM	Now, why is ARDy ribbing on Harold so much? Could it be a case of secret envy of his singing prowess? Maybe Harold's a dragonsong lyrist that ARDy has issues with.Ladies, gentlemen and animated cadavers, I think we are all forgetting the important question here. Who beat up Harold in an obvious attempt to keep him out of the arena where he would easily have triumphed?Regarding ARDy and Harold, I think we've all read enough fiction to realize what it means when two main characters begin petty bickering from the first moment you see them together... ...I mean, after all, we don't know ARDy's gender/orientation... :mymy: Just one of the dangers of a stratospheric Cha score, eh? Heh heh heh. A bit more seriously, we don't know that Harold was actually beaten up backstage -- it might just be ARDy getting some more ribbing in speculatively. Harold may, for all we know, have been out on the town with Eludecia :P
Kobold Avenger 11-16-05, 06:16 PM	Ladies, gentlemen and animated cadavers, I think we are all forgetting the important question here. Who beat up Harold in an obvious attempt to keep him out of the arena where he would easily have triumphed? Well there's some sort of scandal involved, maybe he had an affair with one of the other contestants?... That's enough to keep him out of the match.
Greenintern 11-16-05, 08:54 PM	I still wouldn't be surprised (and I would welcome it) if Harold jumped into the arena after some of the more vicious combatants had left. Nothing like a fashionably late entrance to spice up that victory!
KhanSemus 11-16-05, 08:58 PM	QUOTE=The Warforged Singing Cheerleader Telegram Squad] Yay, Titan Fifty-Four! Pound that Paladin into the floor I'll go for that. I bet you Taibo beat up Harold...
prettyripples 11-16-05, 09:30 PM	I bet you Taibo beat up Harold... Well, it's simple then: Taibo must die.
nijineko 11-16-05, 11:10 PM	Starcraft reference? I hate to say it Slagger, but pound for pound, my money goes to the warforged rather then the zerg. Now, on a more topic-related note, it'll be intresting to see how the Filcher fares in its first round... maybe slagger meant the Lady of Pain...?
nijineko 11-16-05, 11:12 PM	personally, none of the combantants really grab my attention, or vote. i guess i lean towards the soulknife, or the filcher monk. interesting stories and concepts. i would like to see an astral constructor enter the arena. that would keep everyone busy for a round or two, by which time a constructor would have about 4-8 more astral constructs up and going! the updated 3.5 version is still in the Mind's Eye section of the website, here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040625b
Slagger the Chuul 11-17-05, 12:54 AM	I hate to say it Slagger, but pound for pound, my money goes to the warforged rather then the zerg. Aberrations still win out over constructs for me in terms of flavour, with undead a close third. You can't really make a direct comparison between the individuals, though; the Lord of Blades fights people who mostly have swords and a little magic because Eberron isn't loaded with high-level characters; the Queen of Blades fights people with orbital weaponry and the psychic equivalent of frequent magic. They're built for completely different levels of power. But how can you say no to the one who will be the downfall of fleshie civilization as you know it and still live? Aren't they both out for the downfall of fleshie civilization as we know it? Granted, one wants to replace it with constructs, while the other wants to replace it with a lack of civilization as we don't know it, but they've both got that "kill the humans" vibe going. I bet you Taibo beat up Harold... Well, my guess is that it was the brain in a jar, with an iron golem, in the change rooms. Any other takers for Battle Royal Cluedo? :)
Penguin_Witchdoctor 11-17-05, 04:38 AM	I wish I had my books on the same continent as me to look up all the stats. Personally I want the stats for "VARUNA" the Mummified Minotaur of Legend. I am voting him all the way. With the great strength he has got to be just cutting chunks out of the others. No Con kinda stinks because he dosen't get all those bonus HP. The D12's and undead immunities make up for it though. OH and did anyone remember "Mummy Rot"? (hope they forget about fire vulnerability) Don't creatures of legend get fast healing or DR? I think that Varuna and the Reaper would team up against that blasted Aasimar even though he isn't pwerful enough to Turn either of them. that positive energy can still hurt. That Warforged should be scrapmetal already too. Wes "Minotaur fanatic" Goodwin P.S. I am glad the minotaur dosen't look like the retarded cousin that has shown up in the Monster Manual and Ebberon Campaign setting. I mean the Minotaur in the Index at teh back of 2nd ed Monster Manual maybe malnourished, but he is still a minotaur.
RavinRay 11-17-05, 06:50 AM	Regarding ARDy and Harold, I think we've all read enough fiction to realize what it means when two main characters begin petty bickering from the first moment you see them together... ...I mean, after all, we don't know ARDy's gender/orientation... :mymy: Oh please, no. The results of what I'm speculating are :gah: to say the least. But come on guys, The Golem needs your votes Nope, not from me. :noway: If my walking brain's down, so should the other brain. :thumbsdow I'm narrowing my choices to Rhandis, or Sir Zeev, so he can date the succubus paladin waiting in the wings. :love:
Menugg the cruel 11-17-05, 02:01 PM	Alright it's cool that you guys and gals have found a new way to enjoy d&d.I guess just deep down I would rather see players play there characters rather then have votes decide.I know they can try and describe why so and so died but I would rather the exact details.Kind of like when your evil party turns on eachother at the most convient time.Then you can really see the characters unfold when there greed take's over.It's like when your sitting around talking abouth the gaming session and giving props to certain players for good ideas,or great attacks.Even though were ''Watching'' the fight unfold.You don't truly feel as though it's beign done right.I mean I would think that all the fiends would have teamed up against the paldin.Just as I am preety sure the soul knife is just waiting for an easy target.Who by the way is the coolest character besides the monk hehe.So fight on D&D fans.I will not hate anymore in your coolness contest.Just saying it would have been cooler to see you guys really play your guys as opposed to the ''dm'' playing them for you in an attempt to think like you.Yeah you can right down tactics and personalities but in the end your character's are apart of you.Only you can role play them accurately am I right. :cool:
Raziel_Brokodar 11-17-05, 11:36 PM	"Rhandis" Dark Stalker Soulknife! :bow: I've voted for this guy since Day 1! A vote for Shadowy characters everywhere, those obsessed with Mask, shadow magic, and the Dark Stalker template (awesomeness), and finally a vote for the ECS, psionics, Kalashtar, and SOULKNIVES! WOOOO! :devil:
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-18-05, 12:45 AM	At last, another delver into the realm of shadow. Rhandis all the way to the end! WOOT!
Solarious 11-18-05, 12:46 AM	Aberrations still win out over constructs for me in terms of flavour, with undead a close third. You can't really make a direct comparison between the individuals, though; the Lord of Blades fights people who mostly have swords and a little magic because Eberron isn't loaded with high-level characters; the Queen of Blades fights people with orbital weaponry and the psychic equivalent of frequent magic. They're built for completely different levels of power.Then you've never seen my Lord of the Blades, complete with Mourning-producing Eldritch machines capable of leveling planets... :devil: The Lord of Blades isn't going to be stopped by some piddly organization of people who can't even follow him and his army into the Mournlands, they need to be stopped by powerful group of high level professionals... namely, the PCs. :P You know, if we were to identify Endbringer (from Hecatomb) equivlants in Eberron, Vol is the Endbringer of Greed, the self styled 'Queen of the Dead', and the Daelkyr are, as always, the creepy, disturbing, mind-warping Endbringers of Corruption, but the Lord of Blades is the Endbringer of Destruction, large and in charge! :schemes:Aren't they both out for the downfall of fleshie civilization as we know it? Granted, one wants to replace it with constructs, while the other wants to replace it with a lack of civilization as we don't know it, but they've both got that "kill the humans" vibe going.Yes, yes, but the Lord of Blades ain't out just for the humans, he's out to exterminate all life! Kerigan, granted that she's one of the best villians around and one of the rare female ones who aren't just there to show some chest, is still a Borg hive-mind look alike who assimilates other species' genetic material into their own. Quite close to extermination, really, but doesn't quite make it.
Jack Quickblade 11-18-05, 01:55 PM	LET'S GET READY TO CRUMBLLLLLLLLLE!!!! Yes, I'll have to admit, Titan 54 is gonna rock the socks off the competition :cool: . There's always it as the #1 creature of the week. Honestly, I don't think anyone (except for you Ogre4Hire) would have thought of creating the warforged TITAN. A massive machine of death and destruction like that will tear apart anything that comes its way. Getting to my point, I'll also have to admit, this kind of D&D variation is awesome (with the voting and all). Of course, that also means coming up with a description of how each creature fall after every week. Have fun everybody.
Hedstrong 11-18-05, 04:47 PM	LET'S GET READY TO CRUMBLLLLLLLLLE!!!! Yes, I'll have to admit, Titan 54 is gonna rock the socks off the competition :cool: . There's always it as the #1 creature of the week. Honestly, I don't think anyone (except for you Ogre4Hire) would have thought of creating the warforged TITAN. A massive machine of death and destruction like that will tear apart anything that comes its way. Getting to my point, I'll also have to admit, this kind of D&D variation is awesome (with the voting and all). Of course, that also means coming up with a description of how each creature fall after every week. Have fun everybody. Now i know you've gotta be sarcastic here. but to cover all bases you DO know Ogre4Hire didnt "create" the Titan, only submitted it as a nomanee. (the BEST nomanee i might add)
Slagger the Chuul 11-19-05, 07:56 AM	Then you've never seen my Lord of the Blades What you do in your game is your own business. In another game he could be just an insane warforged who everyone thinks is powerful, even though he's no more capable than an ordinary soldier; he could even have been destroyed years ago (with random warforged activities just being attributed to his legend). Yes, yes, but the Lord of Blades ain't out just for the humans, he's out to exterminate all life! The Lord of Blades isn't out to exterminate all life, just all the non-warforged life. :) the BEST nomanee i might add It's not the best nominee, its a very naughty warforged. :P
Hedstrong 11-19-05, 03:09 PM	You seem to have put a part of my post in with a LOB debate Slagger, i wonder why, considering i was refering to Titan 54. Mind you i also play the Lord of Blades as a charismatic barbarian with some evangalist levels. (screw prequisites)
I_am_an_undead 11-20-05, 07:13 AM	Well, the titan is not the best nominee anyway. It's Terminus. The warforged in fact is my least favorite monster of the competition. Not because it is in the 1st place, but because of the fact that the only thing he has going for him is that he is a brute. I don't like brutes. That's why I never play a brute character. Brutes are stupid.
prettyripples 11-20-05, 08:27 AM	That's why I never play a brute character. Brutes are stupid. It can be quite fun to play a brute that isn't stupid, from time to time. However, I wouldn't apply that description to the warforged.
Slagger the Chuul 11-20-05, 09:54 AM	You seem to have put a part of my post in with a LOB debate Slagger, i wonder why, considering i was refering to Titan 54. It's not by accident; I was just debating the LOB and making a separate comment in the same post. Sorry for any confusion.
Siberys 11-20-05, 10:57 AM	"Rhandis" Dark Stalker Soulknife! :bow: I've voted for this guy since Day 1! Ditto
Wellard Fannarsson 11-21-05, 05:57 AM	Ho hum the Warforged Titan will win because the company want to plug Eberron. Even if we all voted for something else the titan would still win know what I'm saying.
RavinRay 11-21-05, 06:47 AM	Hmmm, if I'm not mistaken, only three of the remaining combatants have melee weapons: Sir Zeev's sword (I assume), Terminus' scythe, and Rhandis' mindblade. Assuming all else equal, which weapon has the advantage over the others?
Slagger the Chuul 11-21-05, 09:21 AM	Ho hum the Warforged Titan will win because the company want to plug Eberron. You mean the way the warforged ninja won last time? :blink:
prettyripples 11-21-05, 10:18 AM	Poor Slagger, you've fallen for it. You see, WotC realises that some of us might notice it 'fixing' the votes, so that the Warforged will win every time and lure ever more poor adventurers into Eberron. The last thing they want on their hands is a message-board-readers revolution, led by sharp-eyed crusaders like Wellard. So, decades before today, an elite cabal of Wizards CEs sat around a polished oak table, worth more than most people's houses. After discussing their nefarious plans to purchase our souls for only 15 minutes, they got down to business. "Having bought D&D, and spent all this time creating Eberron, we can't let it all go down the drain in a rigged contest!" complained Pinstipe. "We could, well, not rig it," replied Naivety. Naivety is a little slow, and the other conspirators stare at her. "Perhaps the Warforged doesn't have to win it," replies Brain-in-a-Jar, a 120-yr-mad scientist, who had recovered from the Frankenstine debacle - that took some covering up - and climbed to the top echelons of corporate society. "I never liked the Warforged anyway. I've got this neat idea for an entrant-" Soon, the table has erupted into argument. Pinstripe's suit is ripped in return for drenching Top-Hat's blazer with grappa; Brain-in-a-jar sends frantic signals for security through his built-in telegram system, cowering in his jar which mysteriously fails to break, even as desperate middle-aged businessmen hammer against it with letter-openers; and three of the younger (male) cabalists are still in their seets, staring at Naivety. This goes on for some time, before they finally come to their senses and sit down. Top-Hat admits that he'd pulled out the Brain's telegram wires, and the two sulk for the rest of the meeting. Eventually - three days later, although you couldn't tell as the room is three miles underground in a disused WW2 bunker - most of the Wizards CEs have collapsed into a drunken stupor, leaving only Naivety and her admirers. One takes a good, long look at her. "We could always set up another competition before that. One which the Warforged doesn't win. I've got just the candidate..." He sends the other two out to make up a passport photo of Naivety for the contest, and begin coaching her in the ways of the succubus. If only she weren't such a champion of virtue, he muses to himself, as he savours his inevitable promotion. ------------------------- Our conclusion? It's clear from this evidence that both competitions were indeed rigged, and that the only reason the Warforged didn't win the last one is so that no-one will be suspicious when it wins all the others. As a bonus, you can see that Wizards has been planning this since before D&D was even invented. Aren't conspiracies strange? Oh, and vote Zeev. You know you want to.
Zevox 11-21-05, 11:12 AM	Hmmm, if I'm not mistaken, only three of the remaining combatants have melee weapons: Sir Zeev's sword (I assume), Terminus' scythe, and Rhandis' mindblade. Assuming all else equal, which weapon has the advantage over the others? Falchion, actually. As for which has the advantage, I'm not sure. Zeev's Falchion is magical, but Terminus' Scythe has the Entropic ability. Of course, Zeev's fortitude save is high enough that the Entropic ability isn't likely to bother him much either. I'm not sure what Rhandis' mindblade is capable of offhand (don't have the XPH on me, and I'd need his level even if I did). But then again, it not like the Titan, Brain/Golem, Varuna, or the Filcher really need weapons either. The Filcher is a Monk, so his unarmed attacks are powerful. Similar can be said of Varuna, the Golem, and the Titan, though minus the Monk comment. Zevox
Gilganarz_the_reporter 11-22-05, 01:23 AM	I'm just going to show my support for the minotaur of legend. Partly because i'm an Antiochite and partly because creatures of ledgend are awesome. That minotaur is almost certainly as strong as 54 and probably smarter too. Not too mention that he is undead, along with all the nice juicy bits that come with being undead. If he doens't win, my money is on Terminus.
Slagger the Chuul 11-22-05, 02:57 AM	Aren't conspiracies strange? Or implausible and full of logical inconsistencies; one or the other. :) Hmmm, if I'm not mistaken, only three of the remaining combatants have melee weapons: Sir Zeev's sword (I assume), Terminus' scythe, and Rhandis' mindblade. Assuming all else equal, which weapon has the advantage over the others? We can't really be certain who has what without a statistics block for them; for all we know, Varuna could be brandishing a massive greataxe, or Taibo could be putting famous martial artists to shame by flipping multiple nunchakus. Just because weapons aren't specifically mentioned doesn't mean that they don't have any.
Return of the Flumph 11-22-05, 04:12 AM	I'm sorry if I missed something, but what about that online adventure they promised us? Wasn't the Succubus Paladin supposed to be in an adventure? Are they waiting until they get the results for this match too so they can put them in the module together, or are they just leading us on?
Balor von Balorvitch 11-22-05, 08:49 AM	I'm just going to show my support for the minotaur of legend. Partly because i'm an Antiochite and partly because creatures of ledgend are awesome. That minotaur is almost certainly as strong as 54 and probably smarter too. Not too mention that he is undead, along with all the nice juicy bits that come with being undead. If he doens't win, my money is on Terminus. amen to that brother! ;) THe Mino must have some weapons? I say he has a One of the Great axes of Legacy to go with his legendary status. Like if he is fire he would have a Huge Flaming Burst,+3 Great axe with a delayed blast fireball in susbended animation in his hilt. . So i think he has the best weapon and the coolist concept.
Wellard Fannarsson 11-22-05, 12:39 PM	OK so I was wrong............. this week
Balor von Balorvitch 11-22-05, 01:26 PM	Warlock lose, pst no surprise. But Taibo finally knocking the Warforged out, its a christmas miracle! lol, I can not see Taibo staying on top. I still see the Reaper coming up for a big jump because next week i see Randlis losing and all his supporters going behind the other darkness character. I am still hoping for the Mino Legend to gian some power but it seems he can't seem to make it up there in the polls right now. Sir Zeev has got the lock on supporters who want another Paladin to be the winner (All be it, a more logical one) So my prediction: Randlis gets iced and Warforged regains his #1 spot and hopefully Varuna will gain on the Jar Head.
Wotc_Mark 11-22-05, 01:26 PM	Warlock Out (Week 7) She's no Succubus Paladin -- Laenya, the Coure Warlock became the first competitor tossed from our final 8! Ethereal Filcher Monk: 16.7% Warforged Titan: 15.6% Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 14.5% Iron Golem Brain in a Jar: 14.5% Minotaur: 11.5% Entropic Reaper: 9.7% Dark Stalker Soulknife: 9.5% Laenya Coure Warlock: 8.0% MJ :cool:
Zevox 11-22-05, 03:06 PM	Well dang, Laenya falls this week :( . My #2 choice is out of the competition... a pity. Ah well, I guess that puts Taibo at the top of my "to-vote-for-if-Zeev-falls" list. Very nice to see the strong support he got this week, unseating the Titan at last :) . I believe 54's time has finally come - as the last contestants are whittled down, thier supporters will start going to others, and I don't think that the Titan will get most of thier votes. To my great pleasure Zeev remains in a solid 3rd place this week, though tied with the Golem. The next few weeks will be quite interesting in deed: this is when come-from-behind victories become possible. My prediction: Taibo and Zeev get most of Laenya's old voters (those who don't just stop voting, anyway), with Rhandis getting the next greatest increase and the others picking up a few here or there. The Titan's decent continues, slowly but steadily: if hes not in 3rd place next week the gap between him and the 3rd place contestant will be a small one. And the next to leave will be either Rhandis or Terminus. I'll do battle predictions later, as time is against me at the moment. Zevox
KhanSemus 11-22-05, 05:23 PM	Two notes: 1)HA, did I not say that the Coure would fall?! Another one bites the dust. 2)NNNOOOOOOO!!! How dare you raise a monk above the Titan?!! After 54 is done grinding Taibo down, the 'forged is going for Taibo's voters! You shall not have another non-forged win. VOTE FOR TITAN 54 ALREADY!
Solarious 11-22-05, 05:24 PM	Nooo! Titan 54 is not the top 'forged! We shall not stand for this indignity! :rant: Call up the Cannith Artificer Support Line and tell'em to break out the Abberation Bane oils! Let's see that spindly bag of mismatched organs stand up to weapons desgined to take it out! *cackle* :evillaugh :plotting: :evillaugh
Balor von Balorvitch 11-22-05, 05:48 PM	I would say that the fey warlocks suport will now be transfered over to Zeev and Maybe Taibo. But when Randlis or Terminus die i almost promise that the support will fall behind the other as they seem to be quite similar in outlook. PS: The Warforged time hath come!
Rhadamanthus 11-22-05, 08:10 PM	I have mixed feelings this week. On one hand, my darling Reaper has fallen in vote percentage once more. On the other hand, he surpassed the Soulknife, so it's not a total loss. As an added bonus, the vaunted Warforged Titan has finally been unseated as the top contender! And to the Filcher Monk, which I wasn't expecting to have nearly as much impact as he has shown! Slagger, your man (man-thing) has proven himself just as worthy as any other in this grand competition. I salute you. I also note that Varuna has lost a considerable amount of votes, thus making Terminus "alive" for the time being. In the meantime, I must protest the low votes given to my avatar of destruction! Terminus is not some cheap scythe-wielding maniac to be dismissed by the likes of those that would dethrone the perfect death engine! I scoff at those who fail to see Terminus's statistic and thematic significance and power! All hail Terminus! Scythe Acolytes, unite! Let's show these bleeders who's the top of the heap around here!
Zemyla 11-22-05, 09:15 PM	Look, none of these people have ghost touch weapons. So Taibo can just skip back into the Ethereal whenever he's in danger. Winner: Taibo.
Trannic 11-22-05, 10:40 PM	Unga! Brute player say Titan 54 must win! Anyone one say no, Me Smash RRRRAAAAAAARRRRRR! Anyway, Warforged rule!
Zevox 11-22-05, 11:07 PM	As I said before, battle predictions: Sir Zeev: With Laenya somehow out of the picture (aparrently even Ardy couldn't explain how that happened battle-wise ;) ), Zeev is the last contestant in flight. Of course, he probably has some problems: by now, his Pegasus is likely tiring, and if hes not out of arrows he will be in the next week. This means he may need to come down and enter melee. If hes still got arrows left, you can bet Terminus, Rhandis, and Varuna are his primary targets. If not, he'll likely heal himself if he requires it and can, recast Protection from Evil if necessary (heres where that Pearl of Power gets used), and be on the ground in an advantageous position, dismissing his Pegasus once he gets there. His most likely target once reaching the ground would be Rhandis, who is lurking about the shadows, but if Terminus or Varuna get it into thier heads to attack him he'll not deny them thier fight. Odds are he'd be able to ally with Taibo, with both of them being LG and Outsiders (well, Zeev's native, but close enough), so those evil beings could be in trouble. Terminus vs. Titan 54 vs. Golem/Brain vs. Varuna vs. Taibo: ...and it seems that the four-way has expanded into a five-way, with Taibo getting in his punches against the Warforged Titan and finally having a good impact against him. Skipping in and out of the Etheral should leave him relatively safe, depending on how much attention the others give him. Meanwhile, Terminus and Varuna are flagging, probably losing chunks of thier bodies here or there to blows from the Golem and Titan. The Golem remains much the same, though slightly the worse for wear. Wether it can outlast the Titan remains to be seen. Rhandis: Sitting off in the shadows with no in particular to attack, Rhandis is probably pretty bored by now, just waiting for the others to beat each other into the ground. He may attempt a strike or two at Taibo when hes not in the ethereal or in melee with the big guys, but he may not want to draw the skilled monk's attention either. If Sir Zeev lands, though, he'll almost certainly have a fight on his hands: one which I don't think he can handle ;) . Harold:... and this guy is waiting for what, exactly? Please don't tell me hes going to pull the cheap manuever of entering only when we're down to two contestants left. If he isn't entering in the next few weeks, he'd best not enter at all (I'd prefer the former, as it gives him at least a chance at the win, but if hes not entering soon hes also giving most of the others no chance to best him, which is equally cheap). Zevox
WVgamer 11-23-05, 08:38 AM	Harold:... and this guy is waiting for what, exactly? Please don't tell me hes going to pull the cheap manuever of entering only when we're down to two contestants left. If he isn't entering in the next few weeks, he'd best not enter at all (I'd prefer the former, as it gives him at least a chance at the win, but if hes not entering soon hes also giving most of the others no chance to best him, which is equally cheap). Zevox Even cheaper. I suppose he'll enter when the "winner" is decided and challenge for the title, unless the Brain/Golem wins, to which he will claim that he won since he sponsored the golem.
Lao, Ninja of the Dragon 11-23-05, 07:06 PM	I don't think Harold is waiting for anything. I think the dragon ate him or kidnapped him or something. He was being annoying to the dragon.
tiercel 11-23-05, 09:32 PM	Harold:... and this guy is waiting for what, exactly? Please don't tell me hes going to pull the cheap manuever of entering only when we're down to two contestants left. If he isn't entering in the next few weeks, he'd best not enter at all (I'd prefer the former, as it gives him at least a chance at the win, but if hes not entering soon hes also giving most of the others no chance to best him, which is equally cheap). Yeah... I'd thought with some of the buildup, that Harold would either enter with Taibo, or with the first elimination thereafter (so while Harold still gains an advantage by being last to enter, he's still facing a full field). If they put off his entry much longer (especially if it is a "Challenge the Champion" scenario) it will just be cheap -- not only will it not be fair to the other competitors, but it won't be fair to Harold, who will lose a lot of votes he might have otherwise gotten because people will be angry about a cheap tactic. I'm not sure what would irritate me more: WotC feeding the "BARDS SUCK!!!!11!!! LOLOLOLOLO" sentiment by using the "Harold will cheat at the last minute because it is the only way a puny bard could win" ploy, or feeding the sentiment with "ha ha we made you think Harold would jump in but he didn't because bards suck." As it is, they are already making him sound a little inane, particularly if the limit of his wit is talking about wielding two instruments at once.... and, of course, that is dual-wielding, which means either a silly typo or a fairly lame attempt at a pun on Harold's part. (What's next, Harold speculating on whether Taibo is multiclassed into "rouge"?) The powers that be have already gone out of their way to deliberately make Harold look cowardly and/or incompetent (with the "running away"/"beat up backstage" arcs) and generally lame (by serving as a fairly colorless "color commentator" to ARDy's announcements). What next? Even if he does enter the ring at some point in the not-too-distant future, will WotC have Harold jump in with a pathetic attempt at a grandiose gesture that will be so far over the top it would make Snidely Whiplash cringe in embarrassment? Would it be too much to ask for a representation of a bard as something other than a straw man for once?
Slagger the Chuul 11-24-05, 12:35 AM	Since this seems to be mostly a monster competition, I don't think Harold was ever really considered as a serious competitor.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-24-05, 07:36 AM	Look, none of these people have ghost touch weapons. So Taibo can just skip back into the Ethereal whenever he's in danger. Winner: Taibo. I tried that, Ghost Touch weapons can not hit ethereal targets only manfiested ghosts. So with no mages left he can sit on the ethereal until the last mans standing or leave if he really wanted. The only one who could have hindered him would have been the big heel the Juggernaut! So to quote the 2 worst rappers in history..... "Can't touch this!" "You can't see me! My time is now!" She's no Succubus Paladin -- You say that as if its a bad thing? I hate the Pally Bus! And i have 1 word as how Laneya died....... Squash!
Slagger the Chuul 11-24-05, 08:13 AM	And i have 1 word as how Laneya died....... Squash! I think it would sound more like "squish". :)
WVgamer 11-24-05, 08:14 AM	I don't think Harold is waiting for anything. I think the dragon ate him or kidnapped him or something. He was being annoying to the dragon. I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but that's what bards go. They annoy people/animals/things until they pass a charisma-related check, get paid, or defeat an enemy/monster.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-24-05, 10:26 AM	I think it would sound more like "squish". :) Indeed LOL. But Squash is a term refering to a one sided battle as well.
Slagger the Chuul 11-24-05, 12:49 PM	Indeed LOL. But Squash is a term refering to a one sided battle as well. Well, I certainly can't disagree with that; I've seen Squash being played, and it seems like that wall can beat the humans every time. :D
Athanatos 11-24-05, 06:12 PM	I only just discovered this competition last week, and was rather happy to see the Coure go. Yet, needless to say, I have plenty of opinions on the surviving combatants. The best way to get it all out would probably be to throw out my ideal situation. Of course, with the current trends in voting, very little of this is feasible, so bear with me: Titan 54: 7th Place As many have pointed out, the Warforged is nothing but a giant brute. A fairly interesting brute, and definitely powerful, but a brute nonetheless. Advocates for him seem to be limited to two tactics: beating us over the head with how many HD he has over and over again, and making "Titan smash! Kill, smash! Go Titan!" posts. I am unimpressed. Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar: 6th Place Ugh. These competitions are riddled with both brains and iron golems, concepts that I don't care for individually and despise together. While it's a decently novel idea, and I can see it dishing out some serious pain, the Jarhead is just too silly for me. Everyone who's dismissively made the "What if the jar gets knocked off the golem?" comment has my approval. Taibo: 5th Place The only things that are saving this fellow from 7th place are the fact that I like aberrations (and Filchers are among my favorites), I like monks, and I love the ballad put up by Taibo's creator (My apologies, can't remember quite who it was). Yet I despise Vow of Poverty, and the entire concept behind Taibo is a bit ludicrous. Filchers as a race are chaotic kleptomaniacs, yet this one chose to be a lawful ascetic? It rings too much of the Succubus Paladin to me. Look-At-Me-I'm-The-Opposite-Of-The-Rest-Of-My-Race creatures generally annoy me, and Taibo is no exception. Sir Zeev: 4th Place The one thing that I don't like this guy is that he seems somewhat bland compared to the rest of the crazy-out-there combatants, yet that drags him down quite a bit. Everything else I admire, however. Good characters, Aasimar, pegasi, well-written backgrounds and tactics, I like 'em all. Keep on chuggin', Zeev. Perhaps not the "good" choice I would like to see, but I still iike him. Terminus: 3rd Place I had originally thrown Terminus much lower on my list, dismissing him as a standard Embodiment of Eeeeevil. Yet the more I look at him and his abilities, the more information Rhadamanthus puts up about him, and the more his followers argue in his favor, the more I like him. While not nearly my favorite in this competition, Terminus is a solid choice and I would not be dissapointed at all if he won. Rhandis: 2nd Place Now here's a rather interesting combatant. Psionics always piques my interest, especially the less commonly used classes- Wilder and Soulknife. Dark Ones are always a fun race, and the biography that Rhandis's creator (Again, I apologize for forgetting who it was) put up further sets Rhandis apart as one of the more compelling combatants. And after all, shadowy sorts always do well in Battle Royales, so let's hope he picks up in the vote percentage. Varuna: 1st Place By a longshot. I can't express how much I love this guy. The backstory and concept are brilliant, and I must say that I'll be sneaking them into one of my own campaigns some time in the near future. Combat-wise, Varuna seems more than competent- with more prowess than most of the competitors, and more intellect than the silly Warforged. And then the personal biases start coming in- I love minotaurs, I love creatures of legend, I love undead. Now if only his class levels were in Paladin of Tyranny... *sigh* There it is, everyone. Have fun mocking my ignorant newbie views!
Penguin_Witchdoctor 11-24-05, 09:18 PM	If Varuna Had any Class levels I would hope they were in Thayan Gladiator. If was a few levels into that one his Horns would be magic weapons. :) I really hope thay don't try to have the Bard just try and Duel the final winner, and Bards don't annoy everyone. They are usually the ones who get everyone to be nice to each other, but then again there are many variety of Bard. there are the scoundrel bards, the Heroic bards, and the bards in between. Down with the Golems. It kinda stinks that the Iron Golem is attached to the Brain, becasue the brain is considered undead. That means there are 4 contenders that Rhandis can't Death attack. The Terminus can't use his nasty Scythe. I bet Sir Zeev focused more on combating undead then Demons. And Taibo can only stun Zeev and Rhandis. The Brain in the jar Iron Golem (Who I will now Dub Krang) can be having fun with its Breathe weapon. there is nothing special about Titan 54 other than being Semi-sentient. Varuna can only Mummy rot Sir Zeev, Rhandis, and Taibo. then Sir Zeev uses his Remove disease on himself while Varuna keeps pummeling him into Dust, and I don't think taibo is immune to Disease yet. Ok those are my 2 coppers Wes "wish I were a Minotaur" Goodwin
Zevox 11-24-05, 10:28 PM	Nothing against you, Zevox, I'd just like to see a more radical combatant win this. No offense taken, rest assured :) . We all have our own opinions. Personally, I'm satisfied with radical contestants having seen Eludecia the Succubus Paladin win Creature Competition 1, so I felt a less radical contestant was in order for this competition, at least in as far as my Paladin submission went (I had others, but Sir Zeev was the only one selected). Personally, I don't see anything "tired" about the idea of celestial-blooded demon slayer (more like "classic", the way a Hydra is classic, albeit not quite as old an idea as the Hydra); but as I said its all a matter of opinion. Personally, if I were going to rank the remaining guys based on my opinions, it'd look like this: 7. Titan 54 - I'm not a fan of Warfoged in any form, and have been as unimpressed by the reasons for voting for him as Athanatos. Not much else to say. 6. Terminus - Yep, its undead; yep, its sole purpose is to kill; yep, its a skeleton in a black robe wielding a scythe. Though it gets some measure of points for the classical Grim Reaper feel, its has more against it: not only am I not an undead fan (by any means), its of the alignment exactly opposite to my favorite, and it feels more like a poor copy of the original than an adhereant to the archetype. I'll take any living competitor over this guy, or any non-CE competitor (besides the Titan, as my dislike of Warforged is greater than my dislike of CE or undead). 5. Golem/Brain - A nice idea, but I'm not a construct fan. Even with an undead mind controlling it, a walking hunk of metal isn't something that can draw my attention. 4. Varuna - A very nice character concept. Each template builds on the last, making a sensible and interesting creature. Still, its an undead and non-good (probably anyway), so it doesn't get my vote above the other three. 3. Rhandis - Dark Stalkers sound like quite the interesting race, and the ovreall character concept sounds very interesting, plus I like psionics. I wouldn't be disappointed if he were to win (or if anyone from Varuna on were to do so). Nevertheless, hes a non-good being, so hes not quite as high on my list of favorites as the last two. 2. Taibo - Very interesting character. Of a normally neutral race, hes LG, a monk, has foresworn his race's usual practices, can skip in and out of the ethereal plane at will, comes with four fists for his unarmed combat specialization, and has that very well-written Ballad I so enjoyed reading. With Laenya's elimination, hes my favorite for a non-Paladin winner no matter how you slice it. 1. Sir Zeev - Do I really need to say anything? The name next to him on the front page and everything in my signature should say everything necessary. Zevox
I_am_an_undead 11-25-05, 08:53 AM	Well, I am going to do that thing too! 7. Titan 54- I dislike it. A lot. But I don't need to say why. Everybody knows by now why the people that dislike Titan 54 does so. 5. Iron golem/brain- As much as I like undead, I can't stand this..thing. Again, for reasons that have alredy been listed. 6. Sir Zeev- He's okay I guess. But frankly, I don't want to see him win. Why? The first competition had a Paladin win. Now a second one? No way. For me anyway. But it also comes from the fact that I just don't like holy characters of good and stuff. That's why I rarely play them. And I can't help but think of "holier-than-thou" each time I see his description. 4. Rhandis- The reason why I rank Rhandis as 4rth is because I don't feel appealed to him. At all. He seems like a good shady character but still. He has a cool mind blade but still. I find him not very interesting. Maybe it's just me. 3. Taibo- I like Taibo. I don't like him enough to give him a better place trough. In fact, the only reason I like Taibo is because of the ballad. Whitout it, it just seem like pure munchkinism. 2. Varuna- Varuna is a minautor, good for him. But he a being of Legend, one that people remembered, remember, and will always remember. More so since they mumified it out of adoration! For his alignement through, I strangely feel it should be Lawful Neutral. What do you think? 1. Terminus- Yep, here's the reaper! I already said how I felt about him. He gives a grim reaper feel that I like. However, I tend to think that his motivations are differant than the grim one. Allow me to explain (you haven't got the choice anyway). Terminus doesn't exactly embody death. While this is part of his being, it represent also the destructive side of the chaos (As the chaos as a creative and a destructive side. that's why our world couldn't work without a little of chaos. But I disgress), and because he is undead, he also represent death as a second degree since it kills mainly living beings. And the entropic Blade ability is really well thought. The fact is, the living is affected by chaos and this is what kills him. It is not negative energy, it is pure, undiluted chaos that makes them writhe and discorporate. Well, that's all I have to say right now. So, um. I'd be happy if any of the competitors EXCEPT the titan, Zeev or the brain won. Not that Zeev is THAT uncool, it's just that we already had a paladin winning the competition. Let others have the love!
Athanatos 11-25-05, 02:24 PM	No offense taken, rest assured :) . We all have our own opinions. Personally, I'm satisfied with radical contestants having seen Eludecia the Succubus Paladin win Creature Competition 1, so I felt a less radical contestant was in order for this competition, at least in as far as my Paladin submission went (I had others, but Sir Zeev was the only one selected). Personally, I don't see anything "tired" about the idea of celestial-blooded demon slayer (more like "classic", the way a Hydra is classic, albeit not quite as old an idea as the Hydra); but as I said its all a matter of opinion. Excellent points there. I would definitely take Zeev over Eludaica, and I suppose my initial low placement was a result of not looking past the "good guy who kills evil guys" image. Past the Jarhead and Filcher he moves!
Fanatic-Templar 11-25-05, 05:59 PM	I wanna try this too! Seventh Place: Titan 54 Nothing new here. Sixth Place: Brain-in-a-jar Golem I think the idea has some merit to it, but I just reall don't like it. Sounds more like it comes from some Star Treck series or some such then D&D. Fifth Place: Taibo A race that has never attracted a second glance from me, with a class that I absolutely abhor. Fourth Place: Rhandis I neither like nor dislike Rhandis that much, because I've never played psionics, and have no clue where dark ones come from, or what they do. Basically, this one is a blank for me. Third Place: Terminus Big evil undead of mass-destruction. Been there, done that. But he does have a nice "Grim Reaper" feel to him, so he gets some good points. Second Place: Varuna Great backstory and death waiting to happen. What's not to like? First Place: Sir Zeev The Aasimar Paladin is nothing new, and it may seem hypocritical of me to place him first after i called down Terminus as overused. But I am heavily biased towards good creature, Paladins above all if they manage to avoid the holier-than-thou arrogant arse attitude. Besides, it appeals to my sense of high fantasy that the virtuous knight defeat the walking corpses and mechanical monstrosities bent on widespread destruction.
Athanatos 11-25-05, 06:04 PM	The fact that so many people are putting the Warforged dead last only further suggests that Wizards is rigging this contest. Heh. In a few minutes, I'll probably be banned, this post will probably be deleted, and men in dark suits and sunglasses will probably show up at my house and take me to a mysterious interrogation building.
KhanSemus 11-25-05, 11:45 PM	Now, I've been away for several days, but this is outrageous!! Why are you all putting the Titan last?! Behind the Golem/Brain?! You even put Taibo in the back? Sir Zeev might be in the running, but not Rhandis or Terminus! The Titan will win, if I must go to a CyberCafe and vote on every PC!
Slagger the Chuul 11-26-05, 10:31 AM	The Titan will win, if I must go to a CyberCafe and vote on every PC! I don't know exactly how many votes are involved in these contests, but you'd probably need to find a place with hundreds or thousands of PCs to even make a difference.
Zevox 11-26-05, 11:40 AM	The fact that so many people are putting the Warforged dead last only further suggests that Wizards is rigging this contest. Not necessarily - don't forget, theres many voters that aren't members of these boards, and even on these boards far from everyone whos voting is posting here. Why are you all putting the Titan last?! Behind the Golem/Brain?! I'd say Athanatos summarized it qutie nicely in his post. Plus in my case I'm against Warforged anything. The only three competitors from the original batch I'd not want to see win were the Titan, Reaper, and Juggernaut, though the Golem got added to that list when he entered. Still, I do prefer the Brain/Golem to the Titan - seems to me like a more creative way to overcome the lack of intellect that constructs have than the Warforged, plus the brain is psionic, which scores it a few points with me. Doesn't mean I like the Golem, just that I dislike it less than the Titan. Zevox
Athanatos 11-26-05, 11:44 AM	The Titan will win, if I must go to a CyberCafe and vote on every PC! That hardly seems... fair. Oh, and Zevox- I thought the part about men in dark suits coming to my house was enough indication that I wasn't serious. :P
Hedstrong 11-26-05, 06:53 PM	Im not scared about all of 3 or so people claiming the Titan will come in dead last. They are afterall only 3 or so people out of the many who vote. Not too mention the fact that they have been saying the same thing over and over since day about the Titan clearly shows that they hardly show the majorities veiw. (not trying to be offensive here but its the only way i can think of to express it) Theres a chance he wont come first but im positive it wont be dead last.
Kobold Avenger 11-26-05, 08:34 PM	What Dark Ones are: They're in the Fiend Folio, with two "subraces" the Halfling like Dark Creepers (who have hooves) and the Human like Dark Creepers. Their both humanoids, typically Chaotic Neutral in alignment, they're elusive, live underground and in catacomb like places, they shun light, are mistrustful, xenophobic (as they always hide/obscure their faces to outsiders) and they've been around since 1st Edition. They were two of the many monsters in the original Fiend Folio. Since they've been reintroduced in 3e, I've think they're slowly creeping back into the spotlight. After all there's been an Ecology of the Dark Ones article in Dragon, and they've even got a mention in the Ecology of the Shadar Kai article. Personally they'll get more use than say the Flail-Snail will.
Zevox 11-26-05, 09:48 PM	Im not scared about all of 3 or so people claiming the Titan will come in dead last. They are afterall only 3 or so people out of the many who vote. Not too mention the fact that they have been saying the same thing over and over since day about the Titan clearly shows that they hardly show the majorities veiw. (not trying to be offensive here but its the only way i can think of to express it) Theres a chance he wont come first but im positive it wont be dead last. I think you misunderstood: none of us (four, btw, you miscounted) were predicting it would come in dead last, but rather we were ranking the remaining contestants in our own order of preference. I've no doubt that the Titan will be among the last 3 at least (if not the final 2) at this point, even though I truly wish it were otherwise. What Dark Ones are: They're in the Fiend Folio, with two "subraces" the Halfling like Dark Creepers (who have hooves) and the Human like Dark Creepers. Their both humanoids, typically Chaotic Neutral in alignment, they're elusive, live underground and in catacomb like places, they shun light, are mistrustful, xenophobic (as they always hide/obscure their faces to outsiders) and they've been around since 1st Edition. Oh, Dark Creepers eh? That gives me a better idea of what they are, especially with the recent Dark Creeper mini released in the Underdark set (kinda looks like an undead halfling with hooves the way the mini is painted, so apparently its of the Halfling subrace). Interesting. Now that I've an idea of what they are I'm truly torn between Rhandis and Varuna as my #3 choice... Zevox
Penguin_Witchdoctor 11-27-05, 12:18 AM	ok I guess I will put in the list instead of the other thing. (7) "Titan 54" the warforged Titan: Just because someones gotta be last? No I actually like Golem Alot heck I got a Dwarf Cleric who is building a Shocktrooper force in Faerun of Clay golems. He is also going to Make a Clay Collossal!! It's just because I like the concept of the others. (6) "Rhandis" Dark Stalker Soulknife : I don't like psionics!! Plain and simple. I like the race. Not the Class. (5) Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar: I really like the concept, but I just don't feel for it. I mean as a DM it is the combination of my 2 favorite Creature types. It's a real cool concept and all. Oh And I still dub him "KRANG" (4) "Sir Zeev" Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: Ok As a player I would vote for him 1st, considering he is the "Holier than thou" to a "T". As a DM I would pummel him with undead and Constructs. That is why he is in the middle. (3) "Taibo" Ethereal Filcher Monk: Really neat concept. The monk as many of the same skills as a rogue, but has turned them to a more constructive course. So this "lone wolf" you could say. Has taken a strighter course then the rest of his race. though the 4 hands attacking with monk speed and ability takes about 4 feats. (2)"Terminus" Entropic Reaper: He is my DM choice only. As a player I would love to slay him my self with the Power of my god to aid me. That is it. (1)"Varuna" Mummified Minotaur of Legend: This is my Overall choice. For one look at my Avatar. Then you get the first reason. My main reasons are because he is a minotaur. Being one of Legend and then being mummified Just adds to the appeal. I think he might be the most original, but also one that sounds a lot like munchkinism. Hmm lets see how many templates we can add to our character just to mess with the DM. I forget what the creature of legend adds. I think he still only has 6HD they are 12's, but no Con bonus. I hope he has potions of Inflict Serious Wounds. Heck I have a minotaur I have taken to Epic level in a campaign. He's a neutral Good Minotaur Fighter10 / Cleric of Thor 10 / Gladiator1 / Berserker1. Though he ticked off Thor and is trying to get back his spells right now. Well that is why I vote for the Minotaur. They have been my favorite race since AD&D 2nd. Ok there is my List Disagree with it as you will, but this is how I feel.
KhanSemus 11-27-05, 08:10 PM	ok, maybe I won't be going to a cybercafe (I'm too cheap) but none of you have given me good reasons for having Titan last in your rankings. It's like since Titan was winning, he has to be the least liked. Here is MY prediction. 1) Titan 54 (lose to who?) 2) Sir Zeev (ok, paladins are cool, and he is pretty powerful) 3) Varuna (creature of legend anyone?) 4) Taibo (knocked the Titan back for a round) 5) Rhandis (not the largest fan of his kind, but they do have some appeal) 6) Terminus (I dont think he is a true competitor, seems geared toward other opponents) 7) Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar (a waste of space, give us the Bard!)
Athanatos 11-27-05, 08:16 PM	He's last in everyone's list because he's an unoriginal, simplistic concept that has no merit other than sheer power. I'm voting based on which monster I think is the coolest and would most likely include in one of my campaigns (Varuna!), not based off which is the most theoretically powerful. If that's how this was meant to be voted on, why did the Juggernaut get shot down in its first round? No, my friend. It would seem that none of you have given me good reasons for NOT having the Titan last in my rankings.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-27-05, 10:53 PM	The concept given by WotC was to vote "according to your own criteria." That is why the CRs of the monsters were supposedly balanced around 12 or around thereabouts. Many voters who don't post on the boards probably vote for the Titan simply because he is easy to grasp. Very few have heard of a mummified minotaur of legend, or an entropic reaper, while anyone who has played Eberron knows what a warforged titan is, and even some who don't. Others could care less for actual ability and stick to who they love the most. I personally vote for the character who seems to be the most fun for me to play sometime. The juggernaut just seemed too perfectly designed to win. However, this doesn't sit well with people who have different tastes other than simple killing machines. The voters just decided to go against the something that had all the power.
Zevox 11-28-05, 12:14 AM	none of you have given me good reasons for having Titan last in your rankings. Its a matter of opinions. As Athantos said, a fair part of it for most is likely the fact that the reasons thus far presented for having him be any higher amount to (paraphrased) things like: "Hes a Warforged!", "Hes a giant robot!", "Look at all those HD!", and "He could beat everyone else easy!". Those are nice if you're an Eberron/Warforged fanatic or just basing your choice off who would in a fight, but thats hardly the criteria everyone is going by (evidently least of all those of us you've referred to). Then theres the fact that hes pretty much a vanilla, straight-out-of-the-book monster. Yeah, hes got advanced HD, but so far the only thing mentioned that this changes is making him even bigger and more powerful. Not much difference overall unless you're looking strictly at numbers. Plus, in my case (and perhaps others; I can't say for sure), I just don't like the whole concept of Warforged. I'm already not a fan of constructs (its the whole "walking hunk of x material" thing - I just don't like the idea), and the idea of giving them an intellect of thier own by any means just makes them worse in my opinion. Some people don't like Drow, some people don't like Paladins, some don't like Gnomes, some don't like Bards, some don't like Elves, some don't like Psionics: in my case, I don't like Warforged (well, and a couple of other things, but thats beside the point for now). Zevox
Khelegond 11-28-05, 07:20 AM	Hi there! This is my very first post here on these boards, and I had to post to show my love for Sir Zeev. Among all the competitors, Sir Zeev is, in my humble opinion, the most "heroic" of them all. He's a paladin. He's lawfull good. So, I'm totally inclined to vote for him ;) Others competitors are incredibly well designed and with great stories, but the warforged is (like others mentioned) the most "simpleton" of the arena warriors. He's simply a smarter golem. If Sir Zeev ever comes to fall (which I don't will happen anytime soon), I'll vote for Varuna, another cool creature :) Oh, and by the way - great job Zeevox! :thumbsup:
Menugg the cruel 11-29-05, 01:16 PM	I tried that, Ghost Touch weapons can not hit ethereal targets only manfiested ghosts. So with no mages left he can sit on the ethereal until the last mans standing or leave if he really wanted. The only one who could have hindered him would have been the big heel the Juggernaut! So to quote the 2 worst rappers in history..... "Can't touch this!" "You can't see me! My time is now!" You say that as if its a bad thing? I hate the Pally Bus! And i have 1 word as how Laneya died....... Squash!Quick thought from my memory ghost weapons allow you to hit incorperat creatures such as ones that turn ethereal.Why wouldnt ghost weapons work? :confused:
Balor von Balorvitch 11-29-05, 01:40 PM	Quick thought from my memory ghost weapons allow you to hit incorperat creatures such as ones that turn ethereal.Why wouldnt ghost weapons work? :confused: No Incorpreal does not mean ethereal. A ghost is on the ethereal plane ethereal and must manfiests to become incoporeal and use ghost touch. Trust me I tried and got away with a Cloak of Etherealness and ghost touch weapons. I was almost invinciple while ethereal and did massive damage while whielding it aganist my foes.
Wotc_Mark 11-29-05, 02:32 PM	Complete Entropy(Week 8) The Entropic Reaper could not stand against the four-armed fury that is Taibo, the Ethereal Filcher Monk! No one could! - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 27.4% - Warforged Titan: 15.3% - Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 15.0% - Iron Golem Brain in a Jar: 12.5% - Minotaur: 11.0% - Dark Stalker Soulknife: 10.4% - Entropic Reaper: 8.3% MJ :cool:
Balor von Balorvitch 11-29-05, 02:55 PM	Damn hopefully Vaurna will get more support with the fall of the Reaper! But he would require much more votes as 2 competiors will be eliminated Harold i predect will gain little support but rules wise he would reek havok on a multitude of the competiors, being the only magic user left. But his abandonment of his bard roots will cost him the valuable bards rule group.
Zevox 11-29-05, 03:16 PM	Well now, this is a surprise :mymy: . Happy though I am that it was Terminus who fell (and that my prediction that the Titan would continue losing support and that the gap between him and #3 would close was correct), I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad for the ultimate resolution of Harold. On the one hand, he didn't pull the feared manuever of a "challenge-the-champion" event. On the other, hes no longer the contestant he was supposed to be.... Taibo currently seems to be simply unstoppable. It seems that nearly all of Laenya's voters went to his side with the Warlock's fall: 27% of the vote is utterly unprecendented, quite well beyond even the highest popularity the Titan ever enjoyed. This may change a bit next week, as some of Taibo's voters may abandon him for Harold (especially those who once voted for Laenya based on a love of casters), but I don't know if it'll be enough. My predictions (voting-wise): Taibo continues to dominate, though with a lower percentage than he currently enjoys. Varuna gains a fair majority of Terminus' crowd and is pushed back up to fourth place, with the others gaining a few here or there. Rhandis and either Harold or the Golem bite the big one (depending on Harold's popularity). Anyone care to enlighten me as to what a "Spell Weaver" is, by the way? I'm not familiar with them. Battle-predictions from me will need to wait, as I don't have enough time. Zevox
HexCore 11-29-05, 03:20 PM	I need To See Titan 54 pound Harold to wet sludge. Better yet cant they all just stop what there doing and beat Harold into Component atoms? You know they all want to, its time that Annoyance gets what’s coming to him!
Rhadamanthus 11-29-05, 03:27 PM	Alas, I knew this day would come...I only thought that it would come sooner! My reaper of doom lasted 5 weeks! I thought that people would think he was cliche...well, thanks to everyone who voted for my nominee! Everyone else...is just like the iron golem with the brain in him (minus the brain). Wow. Now I actually have to pick someone to vote for; first time in weeks. Well, I am inclined towards Varuna, he being the only respectable undead left in this whole darned thing. Sir Zeev has earned my begrudging respect, while I still loathe 54 (mostly because of spite now). So, I think I will go with Mr. Mummy Cow, at least for the moment. Wizards did a clever thing reintroducing Harold as a spellweaver (an overlooked monster, in my opinion) but his six arms of magical doom and trickery won't be enough to best the big guys in the arena.
Aneul 11-29-05, 03:31 PM	If Harold had just stayed a human bard, I'd have voted for him. The fact that Wizards submited to all the anti-bard c*** out there and decided that he wouldn't stand a chance if they didn't change him into something else really, really anoys me. A well played bard is nothing to scoff at! As it is, I look forward to watching Tabio pummel that spellweaving disgrace into oblivion. Even if it has Transdimensional spell, it doesn't stand a chance against him (and if it concentrates to hard on the monk, it'll find itself a little patch of ooze under the Titan's adamantine heal)!
Fanatic-Templar 11-29-05, 03:58 PM	I've been dreading Harold's coming to the arena, as it would set me on a crossroads: maintain my loyal support to Sir Zeev, or uphold the values of the Human Bard. I have long pondered this question, and finally come to a conclusion, but it was all in vain! The human bard has been a clever decoy who's only purpose was to gain the sympathy of us gullible voters! A politician if I ever saw one, worthy only of falling beneath Sir Zeev's gracious blade! Sir Zeev shall reign supreme!
RavinRay 11-29-05, 04:17 PM	I wish ARDy would cast antimagic on the arena and let the two multi-armed combatants duke it out mano-a-mano. Four arms for the ethereal filcher versus six for the spellweaver - the latter could tie down all four arms and then slam the former silly with its remaining two while avoiding it's bite. :D
walker on the horizon 11-29-05, 05:54 PM	:rant: Kill the monk. Kill the Monk! Killll Theee Monkkk!!! Kill him good Big T 54 Ebberon Rules!!!
prettyripples 11-29-05, 06:37 PM	I wanted Harold to win. When I saw he'd been entered into the competition again (at last!), I was all ready to support him. But then... wait a minute, a spellweaver? What's wrong with bards?! Suffice to say that I hope the spellweaver is eliminated this round. And that I'm annoyed.
Athanatos 11-29-05, 08:15 PM	I'm going to agree that making Harold a Spellweaver, while cool, is a major sellout. As for the current situation... Varuna will hopefully get major votes from people who enjoy undead melee bada**es, saving him from death for at least one more round. By now it's a foregone conclusion that Rhandis will (sadly) go... as for the other death, I predict that Harold will be able to last for at least one round, and the Jarhead will get iced.
Aez 11-29-05, 08:53 PM	My god... WHY DID THEY KILL HAROLD!?!? :confused: A spell weaver IS NOT nearly as awesome as a bard. Not that I woulda voted him over Zeev and Taibo anyway :D but... That spell weaver has my eternal hatred :mad: I wish Rhandis could outlive that thing but nobody likes Rhandis :weep: ... stupid vote stealing Warforged...
Zevox 11-29-05, 09:58 PM	Okay then, I now have the time, so battle predictions (even if I'm the only one paying attention to them anymore, they're fun :) ): Harold: And another wild card has entered. I don't know much about Spell Weavers (just whats said on the competition page, actually), but obviously he'd sit back and cast spells. If he has a flight or levitation spell, he could gain a significant advantage, especially if Sir Zeev has dismissed his Pegasus mount. Not knowing the general outlook of his race, I can only speculate that he'd want to help out his Golem (who would undoubtably be an ally of his) and would consequently fire off shots at the Titan, Taibo, and Varuna. If he isn't that interested in saving his Golem, however, he could target anyone. Titan 54 vs. Varuna vs. Golem/Brain vs. Taibo: Well, with Terminus' fall this brawl has thinned a bit at last. The Golem seems to have an unexpectedly potent ally now, so the other three may need to watch for flying spells (and perhaps even forget thier fight to take down Harold). Taibo is fighting circles around the others, and the Golem and Varuna are looking beat. Odds are fair that this could be just a three-way by next week. Sir Zeev vs. Rhandis?: No doubt Zeev has used up his last arrows by now, and Rhandis is a likely target for him - off by himself, skulking in the shadows as he is. If they engage, I'd put my money on Sir Zeev for the win: his skill with scoring critical blows with his falchion would be devastating to a living foe like Rhandis, even if the enchantment against evil outsiders is useless. However, if Zeev hasn't dismissed his Pegasus or if Harold stays ground-bound, its possible that Zeev may direct his attention toward him instead (particularly if Spell Weavers are evil). If Harold stays on the ground, he could well attract Rhandis' attention as well as the perfect target to sneak up on and get in a few surprise blows against. He'll really need to watch his back if he gets attacked by both. Zevox
KhanSemus 11-29-05, 10:06 PM	this forum is not getting enough talk for all sides. my rant: NNNNNOOOOOOOOO! No matter what anyone says, introducing the spellweaver was awesome. This is the first time I've seen a competitor that made me hesitate on voting. (I continued to vote for Titan by the way) Most likely the spellweaver will lose though, as no one knows what they are. FYI: The spellweaver is from the Monster Manual II, has an ecology article in the most recent Dragon mag issue, and can multicast as many spells as it has hands as long as the total number of spell-levels equals or is less than...9? Check them out in Dragon magazine. Vote for Titan 54!
jareddm 11-29-05, 10:16 PM	this forum is not getting enough talk for all sides. my rant: NNNNNOOOOOOOOO! No matter what anyone says, introducing the spellweaver was awesome. This is the first time I've seen a competitor that made me hesitate on voting. (I continued to vote for Titan by the way) Most likely the spellweaver will lose though, as no one knows what they are. FYI: The spellweaver is from the Monster Manual II, has an ecology article in the most recent Dragon mag issue, and can multicast as many spells as it has hands as long as the total number of spell-levels equals or is less than...9? Check them out in Dragon magazine. Vote for Titan 54! It's spell levels less than 6, one for each arm. But STILL!! The spellweavers are seriously kick ass if you read about them! In my opinion this is the single best surprise of the entire tournament! I was introduced to them in the ecology article in Dragon and fell in love with them. Multiple spells at once :mymy: That's insane! not to mention their affinity for magic items and machines will net him a nice ally in Titan. His versitily in spells in my opinion gives him the chance to go head to head easily with any of the other competitors.
Athanatos 11-29-05, 10:22 PM	Vote for Titan 54! Why? That isn't a challenge or sarcasm or anything. I seriously would like to know why people are voting for 54.
Hedstrong 11-29-05, 10:43 PM	Why? That isn't a challenge or sarcasm or anything. I seriously would like to know why people are voting for 54. It's simply a matter of taste. No one can speak for others but i can say why I vote for him. 1. He's a Warforged, i rather like Warforged, NO, i dont want to hear rants about brokenness or such stuff, i like em so face it. 2. He's litterally a killing machine. Wasn't made to protect, wasn't made to patrol or stand still for centuries on end infront of some gem, he was made to wade into the battefiled killing soldiers left and right, pretty much a modern tank, following complex battle tactics inserted by command generals. 3. He's a big brawler, Simply put, if you've got a good DM, these guys can be JUST as interesting in any way as a complex NPC or a spell caster. 4. EBERRON! i love this campaing and the Warforged Titans and their later, smaller, cousins are a key part to this. Thoses and personal expieriance with a Titan named Flamer, who just happened to have a pitch fork right arm, and a hose that spews alchemists fire for the left arm. As machines they are quite easily customize able. It was great to see its reaction to a trap we set. No it wasnt like a stupid stone golem that jsut followed cammands and marched head long into it. He saw that we were using the same formations as our last encounter and realised what happened last time, so he changed his old plan, and kicked our BUTTS! Sure we got him later but the point is these things our More Then The Av-Er-Age Golem!
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-29-05, 11:03 PM	Holy CRAP! Not only did the incarnation of death falter and Taibo absolutely DOMINATE, but Harold as a spellweaver? :eek: That's just evil! Six spells per turn is gonna get flat out nuts! Top that out with the grit of those who remain, and I'd say the remaining warriors (Whom each has worked hard to earn their standings. Hats off to all competitors who lasted more than 2 weeks) are gonna turn up the heat. The arena will be reduced to rubble before this is over. Rhandis is gonna have to kick it into overdrive if he plans to remain in the game...Go, master of shadows! If you can't make it to the top, drag as many down with you as possible! Dragon's article on spellweavers last month proved intriging. However, the sheer rage of those who longed for the bard will undoubtedly lead to his fall at Rhandis's blade(s) or the many sized fists of the other remaining competitors.
T.R.I.P. 11-30-05, 04:42 AM	A spell weaver can be intresting, since he can cast up to six magic missiles at once, or 2 fireball at once. But he dous lack hitpoints and is pathetic in melee. Varuna wil gore him and wear him as a wig!!
I_am_an_undead 11-30-05, 07:03 AM	Aaaw mittens, Terminus is dead. I'd be tempted to say he used his planeshift spell-like ability to escape but... he probably wouldn't. Anyway, as much as I mourn the reaper, the battle must continue. Soo, Harold made his entry, but as a spell-weaver. I think they should have kept the bard. Altrough he is still the one that gave out the most story of them all. AND he is a plotting, sheming being of utter evil. Seems like I'll vote for him. But I also like Varuna! Which to pick?! I'll return later with my decision.
Balor von Balorvitch 11-30-05, 11:06 AM	Soo, Harold made his entry, but as a spell-weaver. I think they should have kept the bard. Altrough he is still the one that gave out the most story of them all. AND he is a plotting, sheming being of utter evil. Seems like I'll vote for him. But I also like Varuna! Which to pick?! I'll return later with my decision. Please pick Varuna! He is still damn coolest one! (Although 2 fire balls or 30 Magic Missles :drool: )
MindWandererB 11-30-05, 04:10 PM	I wonder if a spell weaver with bard levels could cast and sing at the same time... of course, his only ally is the Brain, who doesn't benefit from mind-affecting abilities anyway. Sure, the Weaver could cast six magic missiles in a round. Once. He wouldn't likely do that, though, probably spending the first couple of rounds on a barrage of defensive and transportation spells (like fly, most likely). Unless he gets off the ground ASAP, he and his 36 HP, AC of 18, and utter lack of melee defenses, will be mulch. If Sir Zeev still has his steed, one pass should be all it takes to bring "Harold" down.
I_am_an_undead 11-30-05, 05:03 PM	Soo, I am back and I am voting for... I don't know... I like Harold, he actually fooled ARDy and he has BBEG written ALL over him. Plus, he makes me think of DnDorks (www.dndorks.com). Think about it! He is named Harold just like what Jenkins nicknamed himself, we don't know if he's a boy or a girl (personnally, I think he's neither) and he played the role of a bard! But in the end, I'm gonna vote for the mino. Not only because he is an undead, not just because he is a minautor so awesome he had followers who mummified it, but also because he is a big brawler that actually have some depth, unlike, let's say, Titan 54?! So, I'll be voting for him.
Fanatic-Templar 11-30-05, 06:14 PM	I've had a thought. I expect the Spellweaver is the one who beat up Harold offstage after round 2 in order to gain access to the competition. He used illusions or alterations to take the form of Harold, and bring in his ironcraft toy. However, the real Harold may not be dead. Is it too much to hope that the bard shall return and exact revenge upon the deceitful spellcaster? In the meantime, Sir Zeev needs your support!
Zevox 11-30-05, 06:48 PM	I've had a thought. I expect the Spellweaver is the one who beat up Harold offstage after round 2 in order to gain access to the competition. He used illusions or alterations to take the form of Harold, and bring in his ironcraft toy. However, the real Harold may not be dead. Is it too much to hope that the bard shall return and exact revenge upon the deceitful spellcaster? I like that idea. Yes, I like that idea a lot. Perhaps that shall prove to be the reality of it in a week or two - but again, lets hope it doesn't prove to be the case in the last week or two of the competition. Zevox
Slagger the Chuul 11-30-05, 07:06 PM	However, the real Harold may not be dead. That assumes the "real" Harold ever existed in the first place.
tragedy 11-30-05, 08:30 PM	I'm figuring there was no Harold,that the spell weaver had been biding his time so he can jump in when the competitors were exhausted.However,I think that "Harold" will lose as long as everybody doesn't vote for him,thus eliminating the last wild card.Of course,there might be the "come back from the dead" plot device,and bring back an major pain in the ass.
jareddm 11-30-05, 10:19 PM	Harold could simply use his invisibility spell-like ability. It's not like any of the remaining competitors have see invisible.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 11-30-05, 11:44 PM	Harold could simply use his invisibility spell-like ability. It's not like any of the remaining competitors have see invisible. Ah, but you forget! Rhandis has blindsight, which essentially gives him, in effect, no blind spots (barring Taibo's ethereal powers :pbbbtt: ), and the ability to know where everything and everyone is at 60 feet regardless of your measly invisibility powers and attempts to avoid being seen :evillaugh ; thus, invisible or no, there is nowhere for him to hide from Rhandis's mindblade.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-01-05, 04:28 AM	Yes and Varuna has "SCENT" he can smell you from 20Ft away if he didn't take the scent Feat line. He can also pinpoint you if your within 5FT. so go invisible stupid I gotta have 6 arms to be cool.
Morka 12-01-05, 12:58 PM	Rhandis, I'm still with you. May your Mind Blade sunder "Harold"'s extra harms!
KhanSemus 12-01-05, 01:47 PM	Harold this, spellweaver that. I'm tired with the Harold tales. Let the spellweaver be him, and let the spellweaver lose. No more hidden foes, no more "back from the dead/beating". We are in the end run. Let foes fall and stay there. I want a victor! Read "Marked for Death" (the Eberron novel). It has two Titans in an arena. Titans show at least the smarts for tactics. I'm wondering, can Titans use Warforged Components?
Zemyla 12-01-05, 01:58 PM	You forget, monks excel as mage slayers. Stunning fist and/or improved grapple will shut down Harold quite nicely. I think Taibo will grapple Harold, crush him with his Four Fists of Fury (TM), and then shift to the Ethereal and powerbomb him through the ground.
Slagger the Chuul 12-01-05, 07:20 PM	You forget, monks excel as mage slayers. Stunning fist and/or improved grapple will shut down Harold quite nicely. Let's not forget three good saving throws, evasion, and spell resistance at higher levels, plus high speed to close those long-distance gaps. The monk is almost perfectly designed to attack mages. Harold this, spellweaver that. I'm tired with the Harold tales. Let the spellweaver be him, and let the spellweaver lose. No more hidden foes, no more "back from the dead/beating". We are in the end run. Let foes fall and stay there. I want a victor! I'm actually quite happy that Harold had a good reason for being in a competition with the other monsters.
tragedy 12-01-05, 08:58 PM	I'm pretty sure that Harold will fall in the next round.If not,then he will probably be eliminated in the final fight.
tiercel 12-02-05, 05:51 AM	:nonono: You know, I got the impression that there was a fair number of people here who would have liked the chance to vote for the bard. (And, yes, presumably the real Harold "the beaten-up" could make a miraculous recovery and enter the competition.... but at what point does it just start getting silly for the bard to only have to face a few rounds of competition?) Still... Sir Zeev has a strong (and well-deserved) following, thanks to Zevox's efforts. Why would a bard be any more out of a place in this Creature Competition? ---------- I'm still torn on Taibo. On the one hand, I have the reaction "wow, that is a cruelly effective combo," and on the other, I have the reaction "VoP monk stacked with a multiarmed creature, that can ninja ethereal, give in not to the Dark Side of the Cheese." I'm sorry. I can't bring myself to vote for a Big Bruiser. I can make Big Bruisers just fine myself without much effort. The Brain/Golem is mildly interesting but makes a ridiculous image in my head... and of course is outside the original CR range of the challenge, but who's counting? Rhandis seems interesting, and has been narrowly hanging on in the shadows.... what will it take for him to make a resurgence? Or will his fall lead to a swing of voters toward the other "human," Sir Zeev? (Doubtless there are those who are voting for Rhandis to keep him in at the expense of unliked contestants... after all, it's not whether you are first or third, but whether you are not last in the votes!) Sir Zeev has been growing on me, and as other choices seem less and less viable to me, I'm looking more and more at the paladin (despite the outcome of Creature Comp 1). Still, I'm feeling a bit jerked around, along with other people who were excited by the entrance of a bard in the initial field. Maybe that's silly given that it's not our competition to run.... but in a way, it was supposed to be (ideas submitted by board posters), and instead we get (at best) a premade buildup of anti-bard reaction to all the dramatics if the true Harold does make a last-minute appearance, and (otherwise) a last minute fiat switch just because someone wanted to tease us with the idea of actually letting a bard show his worth against the competition. Meh.
prettyripples 12-02-05, 07:33 AM	I'm not sure I'd vote for Harold anymore even if he did make a late entrance. It just feels like we've been messed around with. We've already had a couple of weeks with 'extra entrants', we've had Harold leaving the ring, Harold being a spellweaver, and if we now get the spellweaver being a false Harold and the real Harold being a prisoner who just happens to get free and try to make a triumphant entrance in the name of bards everywhere then ...that's just getting a bit too convoluted for me. I like bards; it's just I'm starting to dislike Harold.
Zemyla 12-02-05, 12:01 PM	Doesn't ARDy have something like a +40 modifier to Spot? How in the heck would an 8 HD creature have enough ranks in Disguise to fool him?
Wotc_Mark 12-02-05, 02:21 PM	Doesn't ARDy have something like a +40 modifier to Spot? How in the heck would an 8 HD creature have enough ranks in Disguise to fool him?Hmm... Who said ARDy was fooled? and who says that isn't the real Harold? ... Were are in the home stretch, no more suprise competitors ... but that doesn't mean we won't use strange occurences or a run-in to explain how a competitor is eliminated based on the voting ... After all, this is story based on your votes mixed with all of that awsome insanity of 1980's pro wrestling. MJ :devil:
tragedy 12-02-05, 06:31 PM	Hmm... Who said ARDy was fooled? and who says that isn't the real Harold? ... That sounds very suspicious,almost like Ardy didn't care that "Harold"'s true form was a spell weaver.Wonder why would he do that?
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 12-02-05, 08:01 PM	That sounds very suspicious,almost like Ardy didn't care that "Harold"'s true form was a spell weaver.Wonder why would he do that? Probably more interseting that way. Besides, this is a creature competition. A member of the the standard races seems a wee bit out of place, ne?
Balor von Balorvitch 12-02-05, 08:58 PM	... After all, this is story based on your votes mixed with all of that awsome insanity of 1980's pro wrestling. :devil: Eh to that! Wooooooooooooo! That must mean that the dude who was losing the entire match will come out and win in the end! Can Vaurna can get fit a Maul of the Titans through the Ellimination chamber fence if so then advantage Mino!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-02-05, 09:00 PM	Probably more interseting that way. Besides, this is a creature competition. A member of the the standard races seems a wee bit out of place, ne? Have you never seen Futurama? They combined all the evilest things of every creature together to create the evilest creature and it turns out its man!
tiercel 12-03-05, 05:31 AM	Besides, this is a creature competition. A member of the the standard races seems a wee bit out of place, ne?Yeah, a human is way more out of place than an aasimar (human with a little outsider) or a dark stalker (underground "human"). Besides, there were a fair number of people ready to vote for the bard, from the sounds of things. Why not let people actually vote and determine just how out of place Harold the bard would have been? My beef isn't so much as the WotC folks not including a bard -- I mean, they could have just as easily never listed Harold in the first place. My beef is more about listing a competitor, then jerking that choice out, then waving it around, and then changing it into something else -- and more to the point, doing so when the message board topic dedicated to the competition in the first place showed that there was already some reasonable level of support for the original competitor even before he entered the ring. (Even in the extremely unlikely case that Harold the bard returns... "no more surprise competitors" doesn't exclude a competitor announced from the beginning of the series, theoretically... I think a lot of people who would have supported him will shy away due to all this being jerked around.) How would Zevox and other fans of the aasimar paladin react if Sir Zeev suddenly split down the middle to reveal that "he" was actually Eludecia in disguise? Or what if it were revealed that the iron golem/"brain in a jar" was actually a war-mech being piloted by Meepo? Or that Laenya was actually a powerful illusion being maintained by the juggernaut, who was feigning death due to a high Bluff skill after having achieved sentience by being polymorphed into an animal and then awakened, multiple times, and later taking class levels in sorcerer?
Slagger the Chuul 12-03-05, 09:47 AM	My beef isn't so much as the WotC folks not including a bard -- I mean, they could have just as easily never listed Harold in the first place. My beef is more about listing a competitor, then jerking that choice out, then waving it around, and then changing it into something else -- and more to the point, doing so when the message board topic dedicated to the competition in the first place showed that there was already some reasonable level of support for the original competitor even before he entered the ring. In addition to "soap opera" and "horse opera" , we now have "combat opera", which is exactly like a normal opera, except that the characters fight more and sing less. For those of you not familiar with the idea, the rough definition is "inject drama with a syringe". Like steroids, it often produces a result that is artifically bloated and looks ridiculous. That said, I'm still glad that Harold was secretly a monster.
Athanatos 12-03-05, 10:44 AM	Yes and Varuna has "SCENT" he can smell you from 20Ft away if he didn't take the scent Feat line. He can also pinpoint you if your within 5FT. Also, if he took the Spellcasting special attack, he can use an Invisibility Purge out to 25 ft. Wheee.
Arcticflare 12-04-05, 09:45 PM	Is there a reason Taibo doesn't just stay ethereal? That, couple with his presumably good monk speed, should be a great way to avoid real danger for a while. P.S. Down with Warforged!!! Quarion, you know it.
I_Cant_Think_Of_A_Name 12-05-05, 01:11 AM	I don't think it's quite fair for Harold not having to be in all the round but I'll still vote him. Spell Weaver for champion :cheer: Oh yeah, and someone kick the walking brain out please
Zemyla 12-05-05, 01:02 PM	After all, this is story based on your votes mixed with all of that awsome insanity of 1980's pro wrestling. So which competitor has Weapon Focus (steel chair)?
jareddm 12-05-05, 02:33 PM	:heehee But I still think that Spellweavers as simple creatures are seriously awesome and should've been entered as just a regular competitor. He definetly would've still made it this far.
Chazmon 12-06-05, 01:54 PM	Ah common we all know Sir Zeev will win it as the only playable charecter just as soon as the novelty of that damn monk wears out.... Seriously tho Sir Zeev has been consistent throughout the whole competition only beaten by the latest fad or the warforged titan who lets be honest is about as original as a Elf archer with a name starting with L. Lets see something vaguely sensable winning something for once!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-06-05, 02:34 PM	Excellent Mino hath lived to fight another day! Praise Antioch! I was worried as the numbers didn't seem to add up in his favor but alas he is still kickin a$$ and takin names! Vote Vaurna!
DMaster42 12-06-05, 03:05 PM	whos the strongest in combat? THE BARBARIAN! WHOS FAVORED CLASS IS BARBARIAN? THE MINOTAUR! WHOS GETTIN MY VOTE? VARUNA THE MUMMIFIED MINOTAUR OF LEGEND! :cheer: :clap: :w00t: :king:
Fanatic-Templar 12-06-05, 03:11 PM	The buffer between Sir Zeev and defeat is shrinking uncomfortably. If the Brain-in-a-jar's followers rally to Titan 54, the heroic paladin may not be capable of surpassing him in time to reach finals. But whatever happens, we shall not yield!
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 12-06-05, 03:35 PM	Alas, it is finally over. Rhandis, congratulations on a job well done. He made it quite far. Now, the monk who struck him down must die. Sir Zeev, bring on that smiting power!
RavinRay 12-06-05, 04:13 PM	Hah! The brainy golem is gone. :plotting: If my brain didn't make it, I didn't want that one to make it either. Didn't want Rhandis to suffer the same fate though. Now, the two multi-armed combatants are on top. Will it end up a battle of the arms? Can the spell weaver block Taibo's jaunts enough to keep him in one place and then wear him down? Or should it polymorph into another multi-armed but more physically imposing form, say a temporal filcher? :D
BobZila 12-06-05, 04:34 PM	Rhandis is dead!!!!! NO!!!!! It was a good run for him! Only Sir Zeev and the titan lasted for 9 week so I'm happy! :) Now I need to pick someone else to vote for.... I want to see the minotar to get the boot so he can't tie with Rhandis for the number of week. Rhandis will be avenge!!!!
Zevox 12-06-05, 05:00 PM	Looks like my predictions pretty much came true - Rhandis and the Golem fall, Varuna gains popularity, Taibo isn't quite so high. However, it is rather strange that Varuna gained so little - seems Harold was able to counterbalance his gain of Terminus' voters by siphoning off some for himself. After this week, I fear I simply can't make up my mind on what may happen now. Logic would dictate that the Golem's voters may largely defect to the Titan, but then again the Titan experienced no loss of support when the Golem arrived. Perhaps they attract audiences much more different than thier similarities would lead one to believe. As for Rhandis, none of the remaining competitors is similar to him in more than the most superficial ways, so I just can't predict how his voters will disperse. Next week shall be interesting indeed - hopefully we'll see the fall of Harold, Varuna, or (much less likely but much more preferable to me) the Titan. And now for the battle: Taibo: This talented monk seems unstoppable at the moment. Hes given the Titan a serious bruising, felled the Golem, Terminus, and Rhandis, and has nary a scratch on him. Varuna and Harold seem the most obvious targets of his wrath next, unless he thinks the Titan a more serious threat. Sir Zeev: With Rhandis slain, Zeev's main targets would be Varuna and Harold. If Harold is flying, he may have no choice but to go for Varuna and leave Harold to Taibo and Titan 54. Either way, neither of the two seems likely to stand long before him :angel: . Titan 54: Well, of the remaining competitors, only Varuna can best him in brute force, making him a likely target. However, Taibo has done considerable damage to him, so he may wish to target him instead. Varuna: The Mummified Minotaur seems to be in a tight spot - Taibo's attack has left him weakened, Harold could drop a fireball on his head at any moment, and hes the most obvious target for both Sir Zeev and the Titan. Realistically speaking, he shouldn't last long. Harold: As the only spellcaster in the arena, Harold enjoys a considerable advantage. If he takes to the skies with a flight spell, he can pelt the others at his leisure. The Minotaur, vulnerable as he is to fire-based effects, seems a particularly compelling target for a Fireball or Scorching Ray. However, he may need to watch out for Taibo, the Titan, and Sir Zeev - if Zeev hasn't dismissed his Pegasus yet, he can counter Harold on his own terms in the sky; the Titan has a great enough height and reach that he may be able to catch Harold on his way up; and Taibo's Ethereal-hopping could allow him to reach him despite any flight spells. Certainly an interesting situation he presents. Zevox
Wotc_Mark 12-06-05, 05:18 PM	Brain in a Dustbin (Week 9) The Ethereal Monk continues to dominate (rallying back earlier in the week from last place in the polls), while the Iron Golem/Brain in a Jar and Dark Stalker are both eliminated! - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 24.7% - Warforged Titan: 16.2% - Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 14.3% - Spell Weaver: 12.5% - Minotaur: 11.0% - Iron Golem Brain in a Jar: 10.9% - Dark Stalker Soulknife: 10.3% Sorry this is so late in the day ... been busy MJ :cool: Secret Harold Info... For those that havent figured it out already, Harold never appeared in the original submission thread. He was created by me so that we could do all of this craziness with him. However all of the other creatures were actual submissions. Harolds boards submitter name belongs to an old friend of mine who gave me permission to use it. I figured that someone would have blown the whistle on that by now. The funny thing is that although I knew we would use Harold in some special way, and I had planned for the Spellweaver and Iron Golem to enter at some point, how the whole Harold story line evolved was something that just seemed to happen and was brainstormed by several people each week. It is all done in fun and hopefully everyone will get some enjoyment from it :)
tragedy 12-06-05, 05:47 PM	Huh,now that's surprising.Wotc_Mark creating Harold.I thought he was already there....you know,like a default character.Plus,I figure that the followers of the Brain jar/Iron golem would go to Harold now or Taibo.Still confusing(at least to me) is how a Brain in a Jar would be a Spell Weaver's protege.It lacks a body and doesn't speak normally,thus eliminating usage of spells that require somatic components and/or gestures.
KhanSemus 12-06-05, 06:36 PM	Right, now this is more like it. If only the people who vote for the monk would switch? (to the Titan, of course) I see it coming down to Taibo, Titan, and Zeev (duh). When we reach those final three, Taibo is my pick to be knocked off, since both the Warforged and Paladin have diehard fans who have been voting for months.
Hedstrong 12-06-05, 06:56 PM	Right, now this is more like it. If only the people who vote for the monk would switch? (to the Titan, of course) I see it coming down to Taibo, Titan, and Zeev (duh). When we reach those final three, Taibo is my pick to be knocked off, since both the Warforged and Paladin have diehard fans who have been voting for months. HEAR HEAR I'd love to have the final showdown come to two of the first fighters to enter the ring. I'm glad to see that the Titan is still holding strong. I agree that once the novelty of the monk wears off on his voters they'll abandon him. (hopefully to the Titan, but ofcourse thats a biased remark) Varunna's most likely going to head back to cold embrace of the krypt again soon i'd say. He's had a good run and lasted quite some time, im happy he lasted longer then the brain in a jar. On a side note, i would like to mention that i have infact written a history for Titan 54, but it seems a little late to post it now. oh well
Raziel_Brokodar 12-06-05, 07:41 PM	They took out Rhandis!? NO!!!!! Guess it's time to vote for the Warforged Titan... Go Eberron! Woo! :cheer: How could anybody let a stupid Ethereal Filcher take the lead anyway? It's one of my least favorite monsters, who's voting for it?!? :confused:
tiercel 12-06-05, 07:47 PM	Secret Harold Info... Well, I always assumed that Harold's origin was kosher (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7169308&postcount=87) and seconded (http://boards.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7169620&postcount=88) -- even if he isn't identical in his original competition form here. I'd guess that's why there was no whistleblowing. Meh. ---------- With Rhandis finally falling, I wonder if some of his pro-"human" support will swing around to Sir Zeev, giving him a surge heading toward the finals. He may need it -- with the golem's fall, and if Varuna is indeed the next to fall, I'm guessing the "big hitter" support will tend to swing behind the 'bot. Varuna looks pretty battered, and I'm guessing that nouveaux-Harold is going to have a hard time overtaking the core constituency of Sir Zeev. (Realistically, the spellcasting of the spellweaver should give it an important edge in a combat like this one... but it has one heckuva glass jaw, too. Chances are that it will, if it hasn't already, ditch its six-armed advantage via polymorph for a Constitution score that will let it not die in one good hit.) The question then becomes whether Taibo's "whoa" factor will wear off into disenchantment, or solidify. Unless Taibo takes a tumble (people suddenly remembering why they don't use BoED in their campaign, sort of thing), I have to wonder if the big-hitter voters will rally behind the 'bot and propel it into the final. I'm not a big hitter fan, and while Taibo is good at what it does, the VoP monk is kind of ehhhh to me -- giving the VoP monk four arms and ethereal-ability makes it very effective but also sets off my Over the Top alarms. It's no secret that I wanted to see the bard in the ring so the big Harold joke means that it's pretty durned hard for me to vote for the spellweaver (and while the spell abilities are pretty mighty, especially in the current company, that hit point total is awful measly without some serious help). That leaves the Zeevster, who's done a heckuva job against all odds. Barring further WWF-style "fun surprises," I think this is where I'm likely to settle in until the end (either of the competition, or the fall of Sir Zeev).
Yasumoto 12-06-05, 07:52 PM	Sir Zeev shall prevail! I can see the aasimar totally start owning now (I hope ...)
Hedstrong 12-06-05, 07:58 PM	Thought just occured to me, Titan 54 certainly has the "wrestling" appeal now doesn't it? He's the big huge brawler with a simple battle plan of beat the crap out of it till it falls, that has a huge con-fan base and equally sized pro-fan base. He's the one who half the audience shouts "AAAAA** HOOOOOOLE" to everytime he speaks. I always liked cheering for bad guy back in the days when wrestling wasnt too bad, now its all gone to the crapper. SIGH how I miss Andre.
Arcticflare 12-06-05, 08:31 PM	How could anybody let a stupid Ethereal Filcher take the lead anyway? It's one of my least favorite monsters, who's voting for it?!? :confused: I am! I'm a monk fan, and a 'forged hater. I also hate the cheap twist with Harold. Not to mention that Sir Zeev is about as original as ketchup and hot dogs. Therefore, Taibo is not only the most effective, but also the coolest competitor currently there. Hey, where'd my wallet go? Same place the votes went.
WVgamer 12-06-05, 09:56 PM	Now that my beloved golem is gone, my vote's up in the air....except for the Titan :P . As for the Harold twist, before I read his "secret" origins, I believed they were two seperate people...as since the first time the Spellweaver spoke, he was refered to as Harold, while every time before that he was known as Harold the Mighty. Possible grudge match....?
Athanatos 12-06-05, 10:33 PM	Hey, where'd my wallet go? Same place the votes went. Wow, he REALLY needs to work on the whole ascetic thing. Anyway, another one of these hopeful (yet utterly impossible) outcomes: 5th Place: Titan 54 We've already established why I don't like this guy. Especially since every other combatant left has something "special" about their combat style: Harold fires off spells at insane rate, giving him unparalleled versatility. Taibo throws down four fists of fury every round, hopping in and out of the Ethereal Plane as necessary. Varuna has SOME sort of special attack, which was never really determined. Hopefully spellcasting as a 5th-level cleric. And then Zeev has his Knight of the Chalice abilities, and the ability to fight from pegasus-back. The Warforged... not to say that he's completely incapable of tactical thought, but he doesn't really have many options other than "smash". 4th Place: Taibo Starting to annoy me more and more. I would be unimaginably dissapointed if he won, because that would have been another victory for the "radically different alignment and philosophy from the rest of my race" category. Eludaica was enough. While Taibo is certainly more interesting than the Pallybus, and makes for a very fun combatant, I just abhor that theme so much. Who's going to win the next competition? A lying, womanizing Kolyarut who, you know, just wants to party? 3rd Place: Harold The annoyance from his convoluted and "cheaty" mechanism through which he gained entrance, I'm rather fond of Harold. Multiple spells per round gives him so many options, and can make for some truly deadly attacks before he runs out of spells. And since he entered so late in the tournament, I doubt that'll happen soon. I would be somewhat saddened if he won, but I wouldn't object at all. 2nd Place: Sir Zeev I had my reservations about Zeev at first, but now I see that he represents classic lawful good ideals without being uninspired or overbearing. He's no slouch at combat either, especially with his archery, pegasus mount, and all of the goodies that come with his class levels. It would be nice to see good triumph over evil, winning both competitions. And Zeev, unlike the Pallybus, is actually worth voting for. 1st Place: Varuna Well, looks like he'll be bowing out next round, to my great dismay. I've already stated why I love this guy so much, and mark my words: An NPC based off of him WILL be appearing in one of my campaigns in the future. Great job on getting this far, Varuna!
Slagger the Chuul 12-07-05, 02:15 AM	who's voting for it?!? :confused: I'm voting for the filcher. If I wasn't, I'd be supporting Varuna. Personally, I find the other monster concepts a bit bland. Sir Zeevis only a monster on a technicality, and both Titan 54 and Harold are just basic monsters with a name. No offense to those who like them, but they don't excite me. Wow, he REALLY needs to work on the whole ascetic thing. Maybe it's like the pickpocket version of Robin Hood? :)
Morka 12-07-05, 09:55 AM	A time of silence as requiem for Rhandis death. Since I still prefer subtlety over raw strenght, I'll vote for Taibo.
JackJester 12-07-05, 10:30 AM	I'm another voter for Taibo. I love monks. If he were gone, I'd probably vote for Varuna or maybe Zeev. No way I'll vote for the Warforged Titan period. (I like regular Warforged..but Titans..no thanks)
tragedy 12-07-05, 12:44 PM	I'm going to vote for Taibo too.He has personally eliminated more than 3 competitors so far.If he was killed (not very likely,but still..) I'm voting for Zeev or if really desperate,Harold.
Jack Quickblade 12-07-05, 02:12 PM	If this keeps up, i think Taibo will win. But how the heck will a tiny ethereal filcher destroy Titan 54????
Balor von Balorvitch 12-07-05, 05:39 PM	Hopefully Vaurna will last another round! If he hangs on to atleast 3rd place i belive that the lost monsters support will fall behind the Mino! I still belive that he is the best choice as the lord of the monsters! He even seems to have the quality i see for the champion of monsters! He also is a natural choice for a face off aganist the other champ in a a 'To be the Mino you get to beat the Bus" match Wooooooo! His fire vunreablity is negated by his legend status making him immune to fire (the most logical choice for a mummy) And for the Wrestling stand point: He is already a Hardcore Legend, Minotaurs are natural arena fighters and he is size L.
Raziel_Brokodar 12-07-05, 06:54 PM	Bah!... filchers are one of the worst monsters (looks like a Star Wars reject), with the hordes that are voting for it because it's a monk, no wonder it's winning... :mad:
Slagger the Chuul 12-08-05, 05:37 PM	Bah!... filchers are one of the worst monsters (looks like a Star Wars reject), with the hordes that are voting for it because it's a monk, no wonder it's winning... :mad: They're native to the Ethereal Plane; of course they look freakish.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-09-05, 05:17 AM	Well Varuna has been 1% or 2% awa from beeing booted since he walked into the ring. I am still voting for him. I think out of all the monster he would have the best adventure based around him. No matter what Alignment they give him. I figure if it's Zeev it would be helping him slay some demons ok been ther done that got the T-Shirt signed by Orcus. Titan 54 ok so we find out tha Lord of Blades has taken control of him now we gotta stop him. Not been done that much since Ebberon is still kinda new. Taibo would be kinda a neat one since he is Lawful Neutral. Find him and trying to decide which side he is on. Harold would be kinda Ho hum. ok he is a shapeshifting Spell weaver. Glad I got my goggles of "True Seeing". Now let's kill it and take control of its Wind-up toys. My 2 Coppers.
KhanSemus 12-09-05, 03:15 PM	glitch
KhanSemus 12-09-05, 03:17 PM	How many votes does Wizards actually register per week? For next drop, I want the spellweaver out, not the minotaur. The spellweaver was originally cool, but the legend was there longer (though is most likely younger). Vote Titan, not monk!
Athanatos 12-09-05, 07:44 PM	the legend was there longer (though is most likely younger). Doubtful. Apparently, "nothing could stop [Varuna] in life", so we're to assume he died from old age, disease, a natural calamity, etc. And he's probably been dead for quite a while, so he ends up being quite old.
KhanSemus 12-09-05, 11:50 PM	Doubtful. Apparently, "nothing could stop [Varuna] in life", so we're to assume he died from old age, disease, a natural calamity, etc. And he's probably been dead for quite a while, so he ends up being quite old. Well, how long does a minotaur live? Over a century? Most likely not more than 2 or 3. A creature of legend might get more time. A spellweaver lives for 6 centuries, before splitting into 6 spellweavers, each of which contains the original's memories. Dont ask me to explain that logic, cause there has to be an end point in the past. But back to the point: You may be right, though for the fact that mummies can remain intact for millenia.
Slagger the Chuul 12-10-05, 07:21 AM	Well, how long does a minotaur live? Over a century? Most likely not more than 2 or 3. A creature of legend might get more time. But then, was he mummified before or after he became a legend? Oh, and vote monk, not Titan. :)
KhanSemus 12-10-05, 12:05 PM	But then, was he mummified before or after he became a legend? Oh, and vote monk, not Titan. :) I never bought the new Monster Manuals. Do you become a creature of legend or are you born that way? I've been thinking it was born, like legendary creatures and paragon creatures. Vote Titan! You still have a few days to bring him back to first!
Athanatos 12-10-05, 03:56 PM	The MMII is rather vague about it, only saying that Monsters of Legend are chosen by gods to perform certain tasks or acheive certain goals. One possibility is that the gods in question create the Monsters of Legend from scratch, but another is that they take existing powerful specimens and imbue them with the Monster of Legend properties. I tend to go with the first, but it very well could be either way. Regardless, Varuna had a large following at the time of his death (powerful and dedicated enough to mummify him), meaning his power and exploits were already rather grand. So it's almost certain that he became a Monster of Legend before his death.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-10-05, 09:21 PM	The only place I have been able to find any indication of a minotaur's life span was in Dragonlance. There minotaurs are kinda strange, but they live to almost 2 centuries. so I use the Halfling chart in PH for the dying age, and human for starting age. They are forced to fight young. I haven't picked up MM 2 so, does creature of legend chage creature type? If it changes creature type to outsider. He would no longer age, or he would start life mature. Well I think that since Titan and Varuna are the 2 biggest bruisers left that they may team up. Like Varuna puts someone in a Full Nelson while Titan %$ starts pummeling the fool in the Full nelson. Only one person could get out of this. "Taibo". That would take all of Harold's spells to get rid of Taibo. My 2 coppers.
Ogre4Hire 12-11-05, 05:49 PM	Here's a little excerpt from Titan 54's "life" Awareness slowly stirs, dim, for intelligence is not needed. It sees many smaller creatures scurrying around below it. They are not important. There is only one who is important. It sees that one: the only one that is important, the Commander. “Titan 54!” the Commander cries. “Awaiting… Orders.” “Follow me, Titan 54,” the commander orders from atop his horse. He sets off at a brisk trot. Titan 54 follows, each step shaking the earth. It reaches its assigned position. There is a battle. Titan 54 sees enemies. It knows that it should destroy them. It waits for orders. “Attack!” the cry sounds up and down the lines. Titan 54 charges forward, toward an enemy siege tower. It quickly breaks through the front lines, trampling humans and warforged who fail to get out of its way. Its massive axe-arm swings sideways, smashing through the armor plates and support beams in the siege tower and cutting it nearly in half. It is attacked by arrows and spears from all sides, but the weak shots shatter against its heavy plating. As it rips its axe out of the tower wall, the siege engine gives a great shudder and topples to the ground. Titan 54 turns and sweeps its large hammer in a low arc, sending enemies flying in all directions. Titan 54 registers an impact against its flank. Turning, it sees an enemy Warforged Titan attacking its leg. The enemy’s Titan is half the size of Titan 54, and its axe blade scrapes harmlessly off him. Titan 54 responds with its own axe, swinging in a deadly overhead arc that severs the hammer arm of the enemy Titan. The enemy staggers, not out of the fight, but now missing one of its main weapons. Titan 54 attacks again, not with its arm weapons, but by simply crashing its massive bulk into its opponent. Overbalance, the smaller construct crashes down onto its back. Titan 54’s massive foot lands on its leg, mangling it and leaving the other construct unable to stand. Titan 54 attacks again and again, each blow crushing plates or leaving deep gouges in the struggling enemy. Finally, the light in its eyes dims and the force animating it departs the mangled wreckage. Titan 54 once again looks up. “Destroy all enemies!”
I_Cant_Think_Of_A_Name 12-12-05, 09:14 AM	Step1: Cast Dimensional Anchor so that Taibo can't go ethreal. Step2: Make everyone else gang up upon him. (None of the others like him anyway) Step3: Ah who cares as long as Taibos gone now Step4: Blast up everything with firespells( Varuna's death(or I should say destruction) Step5:Heat Metal until the titan' is overheated Step6: Make something up tha'll get rid of Sir Zeev here(although I wouldn't care if he won either) Step7:Reveal his true form (and I mean the true one no one knows about yet) Oh and by the way : I made the from the message boards section! Yeah!!!!! :invasion: :bounce: :bounce: :invasion:
tragedy 12-12-05, 06:12 PM	I suggest rusting grasp for the Titan..although if it is immune to it then use chill metal.Also,use implosion for the organic targets or better yet,Wail of the Banshee.
RavinRay 12-13-05, 12:55 PM	Well, well, minor surprise with the spell weaver's demise. Surely it had to do with the lack of offensive and force spells to keep Taibo from pummelling it senseless. Down to the last four! Is Sir Zeev on his last legs, having fought so long and so hard? I hope not, though I admit four flying fists of fury are a tough combo. Taibo really needs to lose initiative for the others to gain a hold on it. One smack from the Titan can surely send it crashing against the arena wall.
Fanatic-Templar 12-13-05, 01:08 PM	Well, at this point, I've pretty much come to grips with the fact that Sir Zeev probably won't be able to outmatch the Ethereal Filcher fast enough. That's no rason to give up though. Surely he can still defeat the Minotaur, and thee accursed Warforged Titan as well! Titan 54 and Sir Zeev both remain from the very beginning of the competition, and should the Paladin destroy the hulk, he could at least leave the arena in the glory he deserves, as the longest lasting character in the competition. Rally to Zeev!
WVgamer 12-13-05, 01:26 PM	Rally to Zeev! :fight!: Huzzah!!! :fight!:
Mercurius 12-13-05, 01:37 PM	Zeev's cool and all, but now that Laenya's out of the running, my votes are back with my beloved Varuna. Almighty mummy minotaur of legend power. It's particularly brutal if his monster of legend template granted him the fire subtype, negating his mummy weakness...
Wotc_Mark 12-13-05, 02:13 PM	Requiem for a Bard (Week 10) Six frantic, spell-casting arms could not hold back the onslaught that finally defeated the mysterious Harold. Somewhere, a bard sings his requiem... while the Ethereal Filcher monk proves four arms are better than six. - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 33.6% - Warforged Titan: 20.3% - Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 18.4% - Minotaur: 15.6% - Spell Weaver: 12.1% MJ :cool:
Zevox 12-13-05, 03:01 PM	Ah, a good week for me: the second best possible elimination in my opinion occured, and Zeev remains neck-and-neck with the Titan (with 5 options to choose from, that < 2% difference is a lot more minor than with 8 options). I don't know if he'll be able to best Taibo, but I'm hoping that he can last at least to the final two and oust the Titan from the position he has clung to for so long! And if he can make it to the finals, with only himself and Taibo for the voters to choose from, will Taibo be able to pick up enough of Varuna and Titan 54's voters to best Zeev? Or would they rather turn to the Aasimar to halt the advance of the Ethereal Flicher? The competition is far from over as far as I can tell - these last rounds are when come-from-behind victories are the most possible, perhaps even likely. Next week's elimination and percentiles should be very telling indeed. :cool: Zevox
tragedy 12-13-05, 06:10 PM	Thank God that Harold has been defeated,as he was a big pain in the neck.I'm still voting for the monk.GO TAIBO!!!!!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-13-05, 06:38 PM	Damn Vaurna squeaks by again... but i don't think he will get many more 2.9 second pins anymore. He now has to pull off a massive upset by beating Sir Zeev, or Disco Inferno Titan (man that would ba a major upset) But still vote Vaurna the Mino Mummy of Legend! oh and if the Mino goes down i say the title should read 'legend killer!' and maybe Taibo doing some sort of jump up in the air and giving him a neckbreaker (Maybe you know what move this is :D)
tragedy 12-13-05, 06:45 PM	oh and if the Mino goes down i say the title should read 'legend killer!' and maybe Taibo doing some sort of jump up in the air and giving him a neckbreaker (Maybe you know what move this is :D) It's a Jumping Cutter,not a neckbreaker.BTW,it's Randy Orton's finisher:The RKO.
Ogre4Hire 12-13-05, 07:26 PM	54's gonna' Pancake Press him and you know it.
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eye_sac 12-13-05, 08:20 PM	Well, the Ethereal Filcher Monk still continues to evade Titan54's attacks. But one can only imagine that soon Taibo's luck will run dry. Wouldn't want to be the on duty janitor after that one, no sir.
Athanatos 12-13-05, 09:01 PM	Oh, how joyful this news has made me. One more round, Varuna! You can pull through one last time!
Hedstrong 12-13-05, 09:57 PM	GO TITAN 54!! Prove to the Fleshbags how trully mighty living steel is!! Ya gotta give props to the Titan even you aint a fan, to last this long at the top, (never below second place EVER!) is truly a feat to be admired. We all know he's learning and remembering Taibo's tactics, monks are reknown for using trained tactics the same each time (now i use sitting duck postion and strike with pouncing kitty attack).After all, he was made to learn and adjust to enemies battle tactics, this round coming he'll know EXACTLY where taibos going to appear and SMASH!! green face paint for all!
Zevox 12-13-05, 11:09 PM	Since I hadn't the time for it earlier: Battle Predictions. Taibo vs. Titan 54: With Harold down its a straight-out melee for the victor in this competition. With all the pain Taibo's inflicted on the Titan, you can bet 54 will be targeting him first and foremost. However, Taibo seems untouchable - the Titan just can't get at him whilst hes ethereal, and he can skip in and out of that whenever he pleases. Big and brawny seems in for it if Varuna falls next week, as Zeev would certainly ally himself with the lawful good monk sooner than with a nigh-mindless construct. Sir Zeev vs. Varuna: While he may not be Zeev's specialty exactly, you can bet Varuna would be his main target as of now. Hes the last probably-evil creature in the arena (if the mini is any indication Warforged Titans are usually LN, and Taibo's ballad shows him to be LG) and undead to boot. Varuna has the advantage of being immune to Zeev's massive critical hit threat range (Improved Critical with a Falchion means 15-20, fully a 30% chance of a crit against living beings, which would autmatically confirm against an evil foe with Zeev's blessed weapon), but can he get through his Protection from Evil spell and heavy magical armor or stand against the righteous fury of a holy warrior skillful enough to last a full ten weeks in the arena of this battle royal? I think not :angel: . Zevox
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-14-05, 02:44 AM	You know if this fight had actually took 10 weeks then Sir Zeev would have died in like week 5 with no food or atleast no chance to eat it. Go Varuna. Ha ha holding on by the thread count of his wrappings. I think he is actually true neutral. Though he could be Neutral Good. No matter his alignment he is the most interesting. With the absolute most variations possible. I mena how many additions are there for creature of legend?
KhanSemus 12-14-05, 02:44 AM	For all those who have supported the Minotaur this far: I'm sorry. It is now time for that 15% to switch to the TITAN! No lover of the minotaurs or undead will want a Paladin to pull it off, or the monk who's greatest move is a dodge. Dethrone the Monk!!! I want Titan and Paladin for the final fight!
Ridureyu 12-14-05, 03:06 AM	I'm on Taibo's side in this.
Slagger the Chuul 12-14-05, 04:25 AM	For all those who have supported the Minotaur this far: I'm sorry. It is now time for that 15% to switch to the TITAN! No lover of the minotaurs or undead will want a Paladin to pull it off, or the monk who's greatest move is a dodge. Actually, the monk's greatest move is a four-fisted flurry of blows, and if my math is correct (assuming CR 12, with advanced HD for the titan and Vow of Peace/Poverty for Taibo), a toe-to-toe fight between the two would be pretty darn close.
deathgigas 12-14-05, 01:46 PM	Now, I am a fan of the monk, because it amuses me more than anything else, and it has the best song, but I feel I should point out that while, yes, it can jump into the ethreal plain, doing so makes its next round weak. Monks have trouble hitting things most of the time anyway, as they don't have the best Base Attack Bonus, and their main advantage is attacking a lot with flurry of blows, but returning from the ethreal plane is a move action, which means that if he is there at the beginning of the turn he gets one attack total for that round. sure, he could go for an eternity jumping in, attacking once, and then jumping back out without getting attacked, but I am not so sure he would, which means he will essentially have at least 1 turn sitting around to get hit to be really effective with all those arms and a flurry of blows. People might already have known this, but then again, maybe not.
DMaster42 12-14-05, 03:12 PM	And the Minotaur still stands! He might be a brute but he's my pick by far!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-14-05, 04:03 PM	It's a Jumping Cutter,not a neckbreaker.BTW,it's Randy Orton's finisher:The RKO. LOL i knew it was the RKO but didn't want people making fun of me for doing a WWE reference, sort of an inside joke. Well Jumping cutter then, but its still a funny way for Vaurna to go down or....... if the Mino survives i say Taibo goes for the cutter but then gets pushed into the next loser. And in a pure wrestling competion i say Taibo could pull off some nasty submissons!
Athanatos 12-14-05, 06:44 PM	No lover of the minotaurs or undead will want a Paladin to pull it off Wrong.
Balor von Balorvitch 12-15-05, 07:53 AM	For all those who have supported the Minotaur this far: I'm sorry. It is now time for that 15% to switch to the TITAN! No lover of the minotaurs or undead will want a Paladin to pull it off, or the monk who's greatest move is a dodge. Dethrone the Monk!!! I want Titan and Paladin for the final fight! Hmm if Vaurna goes down i would prob support Sir Zeev. Atleast then we he could inact vegance on Elu the Pally Bus. I do beleive its in his contract to destroy ALL fiends. Yes every elf jack one of them. It is like this example ........................................ ................................. Bus: "Hey Zeev i have turned good" Zeev: "Detect evil!" Bus glows red with evil Bus: "No really, i am good." Zeev: "Smite evil!" and the Bus doubles over in pain as Zeevs Pegasus mule kicks her Pegasus: "Well now we know she wasn't good after all." Zeev: "Yes and knowing is half the battle!" Pegasus: "Whats the other 1/2 the battle?" Zeev: "Killing the Mothra ****ing fiend bastard, sword"
I_Cant_Think_Of_A_Name 12-16-05, 01:13 AM	:fight!: Huzzah!!! :fight!: Raly all of you who hate Taibo because he kicked your favored competitor out. Raly around Sir Zeev to sever of those four arms Together the 12.1% from the spell weaver, the 10.3% from the dark stalker Soulknife,the 8.3% from the entropic reaper andthe 8.0% from the warlock shall crush all the others :D
Slagger the Chuul 12-16-05, 08:07 AM	Raly all of you who hate Taibo because he kicked your favored competitor out. Raly around Sir Zeev to sever of those four arms Together the 12.1% from the spell weaver, the 10.3% from the dark stalker Soulknife,the 8.3% from the entropic reaper andthe 8.0% from the warlock shall crush all the others :D Of course, if you liked the oozemaster, juggernaut, vrock ranger, zelekhut, 12-headed hydra, satyr assassin, nycaloth, or fiendish intellect devourer, you could put your cheap revenge vote to getting rid of the others. :) Seriously, though, it's your choice; vote for who you like. Personally, I like the legendary minotaur next best, but the image of a four-armed monk fighting a giant warforged titan in the final round is pretty epic.
nova head 12-16-05, 11:46 AM	I think its going to get down to 54 and Taibo, 54 is probly going to flatten Zeev and the mummy will be taken by Zeev before that.Taibo might do some thing to to the mummy but I think Zeev will be the one to kill him.
tragedy 12-16-05, 12:43 PM	Taibo is leading a huge group of followers.Assuming that Harold's followers join Taibo,the group of followers WILL start to snowball and if the defeated competitors' voters joins up with the monk, he will be unstoppable.
Jack Quickblade 12-16-05, 01:34 PM	Buh-bye Minotaur. You're next!!
Mercurius 12-20-05, 05:38 PM	Buh-bye Minotaur. You're next!! I honestly hope not. A Mummified minotaur of legend is a cool monster (but I'm biased, having created Varuna...). He's much more compelling to me than an Ethereal filcher monk. If and when he's knocked out of the running, I'll have to shift my support to Sir Zeev, I guess. No one really has my attention once Varuna's out of the running. *shrug* C'est la vie, I suppose.
Athanatos 12-20-05, 07:39 PM	I honestly hope not. A Mummified minotaur of legend is a cool monster (but I'm biased, having created Varuna...). He's much more compelling to me than an Ethereal filcher monk. If and when he's knocked out of the running, I'll have to shift my support to Sir Zeev, I guess. No one really has my attention once Varuna's out of the running. *shrug* C'est la vie, I suppose. Yeah, that pretty much eloquently summarized everything I've been blustering about for the last few pages.
Wotc_Mark 12-20-05, 07:47 PM	Emptied Chalice (Week 11) The just and noble do not always win the fight, proven this week as Sir Zeev could not survive the latest round. And then there were three.... - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 33.8% - Minotaur: 25.1% - Warforged Titan: 20.7% - Aasimar Knight of the Chalice: 20.3% Even though WotC is on holiday break next week I will stop by the office and update the competition... See ya next tuesday... MJ :cool:
Athanatos 12-20-05, 08:03 PM	Wow. I'm both overjoyed and deeply saddened at the same time.
Aneul 12-20-05, 08:14 PM	I'm truly sorry to see Zeev go- I had expected the minotaur would be next, or maybe the titan. A salute to the paladin's noble effort. Take solace in the knowledge that he endured beyond any of the fiends of the competition, thus having achieved atleast a measure of victory. :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: (they are saluting their fallen comrade, incase that wasn't obvious) Well, it looks like I'm going to have to cast my lot with either Tabio or 54. Either way, I hope to see the Minotaur crushed by next week.
Hedstrong 12-20-05, 08:15 PM	FRIGGIN RIGHT! Way to go Titan 54! They said ya couldnt do it but ya did, yur in the final three,a nd either way i couldnt be happier. Saddened to see the Paladin go, really wanted to see the final two be two of the original competetors. Personally, i wanna see the mommy and 54 go at it. Band together mighty powerhouses of doom, quash that symbol of silly "going 'gainst your naturall behaviourness"
Athanatos 12-20-05, 08:30 PM	FRIGGIN RIGHT! Way to go Titan 54! They said ya couldnt do it I don't think anyone ever said that past the first few rounds.
Hedstrong 12-20-05, 08:44 PM	I don't think anyone ever said that past the first few rounds. Really? i seem to remember people going on and on throughout the whole thing saying the Titan's gonna lose his followers to the warlock, mummy,nycoloth and so on.. No sarcasm or malice in there it just seems to be in my mind that way and i really could be bothered to re-read the whole thread. Well either way, to make it this far from the start is a pretty impressive feat.
Athanatos 12-20-05, 08:47 PM	While I don't like the Titan one bit, I'll agree that lasting for so long IS an admirable feat. As for the "losing his support" posts, I dunno. I saw them as generally wishful thinking, people clinging to a small hope that the new competitor would somehow be able to unseat the Titan. Though I do apologize for the brashness of my original statement.
Orcdoubleax 12-20-05, 08:58 PM	What I like about the Mummytaur is that it is a Monster that I would use in a story arc. Titan 54 is a best a lacky, and I won't metion the four arms of munchkinism.
Hedstrong 12-20-05, 09:06 PM	While I don't like the Titan one bit, I'll agree that lasting for so long IS an admirable feat. As for the "losing his support" posts, I dunno. I saw them as generally wishful thinking, people clinging to a small hope that the new competitor would somehow be able to unseat the Titan. Though I do apologize for the brashness of my original statement. No apology needed good sir, I also saw it as people hoping that the next guy might just steal 54's fans. It looks to me like they've been unwavered, as most likely the monk or mino's gotten a huge flux of voters from the other competetors. Surprisingly, the final decision does in a way come down to Sir Zeez, he had a HUGE fan base and if they all think as one, who ever they choose to back will most likely take this competition. What I like about the Mummytaur is that it is a Monster that I would use in a story arc. Titan 54 is a best a lacky, and I won't metion the four arms of munchkinism. As long as the monk doesnt take the prize i'll be happy, theres nothing wrong with losing to a great concept like Varuna. Now perhaps if the monk weren't to come in the last and "freshest" compeitor, my feelings of theif wouldnt be as bad.
tragedy 12-20-05, 09:49 PM	Zevok must be crushed by this loss.
WVgamer 12-20-05, 11:37 PM	:weep: I am sadden for the lose of Sir Zeev, but now we know he's an :angel: My votes are going to the underdog, Varuna.
Ogre4Hire 12-21-05, 12:48 AM	Zevok must be crushed by this loss. No, I think he was crushed by 54's foot. :Something blocks out the light: Sir Zevok: Looks up. "Oh -" CRUNCH! Whoever wins this fight is getting a shiny new trophy. Everybody who doesn't is getting a consolation prize... .........XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX .......X.....XXX..XXX..XXX.....X ......X......X..X...X....X..X......X ......X......XXX...X....XXX......X ......X......X..X.XXX..X..........X ......X...............................X ......X...............................X ......X...............................X ......X...............................X ......X...............................X Sorry this didn't turn out very well. It's supposed to be a tombstone.
I_Cant_Think_Of_A_Name 12-21-05, 12:52 AM	:weep: :weep: :weep: :weep: :weep: Sir Zeev!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! While I don't like the Titan one bit, I'll agree that lasting for so long IS an admirable feat. I agree completely. Congratulation to the Titan :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Salute to Sir Zev (He basically lasted just as long) :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: Now this week I'll vote Varuna although I must say I would vote anything to get that ethreal blob out. Vote for Taibo's fall :ghosted: :ghosted: :ghosted: (this is supposed to be Taibo at the end of the competition by the way)
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-21-05, 01:50 AM	Well i am sorry to see Zeev go. He was the best antithesis to the Varuna. I kinda wonder if Zeev even tried to TURN Varuna even once? I mean he would have actually had a chance too. considering Varuna was maybe 8 HD. I really wish taibo or Titan 54 would have been taken out. So, Zeev supporters you know what they say!! "If you can't beat 'em join 'em" You know that Taibo didn't beat you. It was Varuna who finally did it. We know you really don't like the LN Taibo. You all know he is. He is just lying trying to say he is LG.
Slagger the Chuul 12-21-05, 02:29 AM	Well, aside from saying "Go Taibo!", I think I like the format of this competition less than the first one. While it's nice to have so many competitors in at once, it's not as much of a surprise for each winner, because you can usually see how things are turning out from previous weeks. In addition, some of the competitors probably didn't get as much of a chance since their opponents were drawing support since day one. Taibo is the exception, but that's probably because it is just so damn excellent. We know you really don't like the LN Taibo. You all know he is. He is just lying trying to say he is LG. Absolutely. Also, Titan 54 is really a disgruntled gnomish postal worker in a mech suit, and Varuna is a "Weekend at Bernie's"-style corpse puppet operated by the losing competitors. :)
Abyssal Stalker 12-21-05, 07:50 AM	...Personally, i wanna see the mommy and 54 go at it... It's always cool to see big fellows fight! "Did you hear the Earth shake?" "Yes, it was Varuuna hitting Taibo with Titan 54!" :rimshot:
RavinRay 12-21-05, 08:06 AM	The succubus paladin watching from the stands is now dateless... :weep:
DMaster42 12-21-05, 08:28 AM	OH YEAH MINOTAUR ALL THE WAY! Here's my reasoning behind voting for the Minotaur: 1. I love Greek mythology. 2. Their favored class is Barbarian. 3. They kick :censored: ! 4. I hate Monks. 5. Monks are stupid :chicken: s and i eat chickens for breakfast. 6. I have nothing against the warforge. They are overpowering Fighters and i like that. BUT THIS IS CREATURE COMPETITION! NOT A MACHINE COMPETITION! GO MINOTAUR!!!!!
DMaster42 12-21-05, 08:30 AM	It's always cool to see big fellows fight! "Did you hear the Earth shake?" "Yes, it was Varuuna hitting Taibo with Titan 54!" :rimshot: :heehee :thumbsup: NICE ONE!
Demon Pharo 12-21-05, 10:15 AM	It is Great to see the Mino taking a bigger step onto his rightful Throne. Varuna is starting to Take charge. Getting Rid of the Knight and took the Titan down another step in his pedisal of Glory. Now it is just a matter of time. Go Minotaur!!!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-21-05, 11:06 AM	Yes Vaurna wins again! Its a christmas miracle! Please all you Zeev maniacs vote for the Mino!
Zevox 12-21-05, 11:39 AM	It seems my own words have come back to haunt me. I said last week that these final rounds were when come-from-behind victories were most possible, and perhaps even likely, and I was proven right. Unfortunately, it was Varuna, not Sir Zeev, that did the proving, and my mighty Knight who was unexpectedly unseated, not the Titan. I'm not sure wether to be happy or sad about the very small percentile seperating Zeev and the Titan - on the one hand, it means that Zeev's fight for life in this round was far from in vain; but on the other, it means that if the Titan had only half a percent fewer votes then it would have fallen, and Zeev advanced. It is well to hear of his final fight though - backing the Titan into a corner is a mighty feat indeed. Zeev was a worthy warrior for this competiton. A salute to the mighty Sir Zeev! May your name and deeds be recorded among the lists of the Knights of the Chalice for all time! :angel: :fight!: Hm... perhaps I'll resurrect Zeev as a character in the CoCo. Then he can live on, if not as a Knight of the Chalice at least as a Paladin. And now that the competition's Paladin has departed, my vote has to shift for the first time in eleven weeks - with Laenya (my #2 choice) long since eliminated, my support now staunchly goes to the final goodly creature of the competition (and my #3 choice since his Ballad was posted) - Taibo, Ethereal Filcher Monk! May the final round see him face off with legendary Varuna, and may next week see the fall of the Titan! Zevox
KhanSemus 12-21-05, 03:50 PM	I respected the Knight, but he could not stand to the hugeness of the Forged. Forget the monk, final fight is Minotaur and Titan! VOTE TITAN 54 ALREADY!!
Fanatic-Templar 12-21-05, 04:40 PM	Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hopes end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall! So passes Sir Zeev of the Knights of the Chalice, in glorious battle with a towering hulk of metal. Only .4% kept him from victory, and in it's stead we, his loyal retainers, were served with only woe. Death, death for the Warforged Titan! From this day henceforth I shall know no rest until his rusted skull is reforged into birdbath! With the passing of the gallant knight, my support shifts to Varuna, who has the best concept of the remaining characters. My vote has come full circle, it's beginning and end in greek mythology, with the passing of the Hydra, only the minotaur still stands for the honour of the peninsula. When battle is done, then we shall weep for Sir Zeev, now battle calls, and the enemy still stands! Let loose the dogs of war!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-21-05, 05:15 PM	Sir Zeev was a hero, no debateing it! But can anyone match the Legend. I say next week it will not read legend killer but Legend is Killer! All of those who support behind The Mino of Legend! He has proven his mettle and has survived atleast 5 close calls where he barely made it. He makes a great villian and a great hero. His templates sinergy each other and he has the aura of brute force along with mystic glow to him. Is there any reason not to vote Vaurna?
I_am_an_undead 12-21-05, 07:42 PM	Zeev is dead? Well, I have to say that this is a surprise. I had resigned myself to the death of Varuna. I can't be sad of the end of Zeev, since it means that the paladins won't have the cup two times in a row, but I still would have prefered him instead of the Titan who, sadly, is still in the competition. Well, there's my two cents. I hope that Zeev will be happy in celestia (or whatever realm of good he will enjoy his afterlife in). Hey, I said I didn't want him to win. I never said I didn't like him.
Athanatos 12-21-05, 09:12 PM	Well, aside from saying "Go Taibo!", I think I like the format of this competition less than the first one. While it's nice to have so many competitors in at once, it's not as much of a surprise for each winner, because you can usually see how things are turning out from previous weeks. In addition, some of the competitors probably didn't get as much of a chance since their opponents were drawing support since day one. Agreed in full. I also think that voting for the competitor you'd like to see LOSE works better in a battle royale-type scenario.
davethebrave371 12-22-05, 11:53 AM	:weep: I have voted Sir Zeev ever since Laenya fell! This deeply saddends me. :angel::fight!: Live on, Zeev, in high Celestia! :weep: There are no longer any worthy competitors.
Yasumoto 12-22-05, 09:48 PM	NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FOUL TRICKERY! Sir Zeev can't fail! dang. aw well ... i'm still proud of him.
JackJester 12-22-05, 10:40 PM	Zeev had a great run. He can be proud of it. Go Taibo now. :D
Ztyx 12-23-05, 05:07 AM	No one - or rather no thing, can beat Titan 54's great run, though. Even if he gets cast out just before the final round he will have been in more rounds than any other. - Nevertheless, I'll keep putting my measly vote on Titan 54, in remembrance of other great machines of war that have gone on rust-ridden rampages throughout the ages.
Olly 12-23-05, 03:20 PM	Hmmm... Tough decision. I hate the warforged... I hate minotaurs... I hate ethereal marauders... I'm hoping that Laelcorn the vrock has just been playing dead all this time, and will spring into action as soon as the three finalists have mortally wounded each other, claiming victory in a decidedly dastardly fashion.
Slagger the Chuul 12-23-05, 07:23 PM	I hate ethereal marauders... Just as well there's none of them in this competition.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-23-05, 10:36 PM	Have ya'll seen Narnia yet? Because you can see why Varuna is soo cool in that movie. I mean those minotaurs were mostly standard run of the mill. the head one might have had fighter or barbarian levels, but that is it. Varuna is a "MINOTAUR OF LEGEND" turned into a Mummy. Come on he has gotta be the winner of this. He isn't gimmiky in any way. The Warforged Titan is not very original. Now maybe if it was a warfogred Titan Incarnated. that could be neat. Taibo was just a thought by a munchkin. Hmm how can I make a Monk even more powerful? ooh had 2 hands, and the ability to etheral jaunt whenever he wants. VOTE VARUNA for winner of the 2nd Creature Competion!! If you don't you never know hwat lurks in your closet.
Slagger the Chuul 12-23-05, 10:51 PM	Taibo was just a thought by a munchkin. Hmm how can I make a Monk even more powerful? ooh had 2 hands, and the ability to etheral jaunt whenever he wants. I can't outright deny the first bit (I can be a bit of a munchkin sometimes), but the second bit was more like "What would make a really great monk?". Vote Taibo; best ethereal filcher in the competition. If you don't... well, Taibo probably has better things to do than hide in your closet, but I'm sure something is in there. Possibly some old clothes you don't want to admit you ever wore.
Athanatos 12-23-05, 11:06 PM	"What would make a really great monk?" Ooh, ooh, I know. A race that isn't almost always single-minded kleptomaniacs.
KhanSemus 12-24-05, 10:45 AM	...Varuna is a "MINOTAUR OF LEGEND" turned into a Mummy. Come on he has gotta be the winner of this. He isn't gimmiky in any way. The Warforged Titan is not very original. Now maybe if it was a warfogred Titan Incarnated. that could be neat... He isn't gimmiky in any way? Wouldn't having TWO templates make him gimmiky? At least the Titan is a straight up monster, and it has held its own. I want Varuna and Titan for final showdown, but you can't say that the minotaur isn't munch on some level. Vote TITAN 54! He's big, he's bad, and he's brutal.
Grimm Ironhand 12-24-05, 04:22 PM	Varuna has won this competition he is just waiting for the others to conceed defeat.Should be intersesting to see who will admit defeat first and bow before the champion.
Athanatos 12-24-05, 06:05 PM	He isn't gimmiky in any way? Wouldn't having TWO templates make him gimmiky? I see no logic in your statement. Templates in and of themself are not gimmicky, the application of them with no sensical and roleplaying rhyme and reason is. If I made this a 3-headed half-dragon minotaur, that'd sure be gimmicky. A paragon phrenic minotaur? Oh God, that's so gimmicky. But this? Not gimmicky at all. After all, what templates do we have? First, Creature of Legend. Okay, that enumerates that he was created by a deity for a specific purpose, to act as an arbiter of that deity's agenda. Then we have Mummified. Okay, that enumerates that after Varuna died (presumably of natural causes), his allies (presumably followers of Varuna's creator) mummified him so that he could continue to act as an arbiter for said deity. From an RP perspective, this is not gimmicky. This is a well-made background.
Ogre4Hire 12-24-05, 06:19 PM	Varuna has won this competition he is just waiting for the others to conceed defeat.Should be intersesting to see who will admit defeat first and bow before the champion. Titan 54 has won more total votes than any other creature. Hornhead doesn't even come close :P
Athanatos 12-24-05, 06:22 PM	Any self-respecting statistics professor would be scolding you right now. You know only percentages, not hard numbers! The last few rounds may very well have seen a dramatic increase in turnouts! :P
Balor von Balorvitch 12-24-05, 08:40 PM	The Mummy Mino has no cheese factor to him (unless cheese is an ingrdient in the mummifcation process.) He is just a straight up cool creature. I can think of an UNBELIEVABLE adventure for him. A tomb maze, seems cheesy but imagine all the potenial sliding doors, maze that changes shape every hour (I know AVP) and a logical and challenging boss at the end. Taibo is cool at frist but screams cheese the more i think of it, I just don't like exceptions to a race (aka a theif craved race turning to enforce justice or lets say a demon that turns into a holy warrior who rides another demon) As for the Titan 54, he is a grunt, cronie, minor menace and has the personallity of sliced bread without the awe of a true terror monster. Vaurna is by far and large the best chocie, Best roleplaying chances Best combo of templates that actually make sense 2nd Best fit for a race, way above a Monk Fletcher but have to give it over to the Kill Bot he delivers what you expect LOL Best boss material Best Mystic Best serious factor, Pcs will respect him more than a Kill Bot or a Turncoat Best bases in mythology and lore, the Minotaur is classic along with the mystic of mummy it drumbs the imagination of many!
Ogre4Hire 12-25-05, 02:38 AM	Any self-respecting statistics professor would be scolding you right now. You know only percentages, not hard numbers! The last few rounds may very well have seen a dramatic increase in turnouts! :P It's doubtful that in the last round, Beefboy got enough votes to make up for the late start deficit that he'd have been working with, especially compared to 54's hotstreak of 1st places. :tiphat:
Slagger the Chuul 12-25-05, 11:59 AM	I just don't like exceptions to a race (aka a theif craved race turning to enforce justice or lets say a demon that turns into a holy warrior who rides another demon). Or an individual chosen by divine powers to be an exception to its race. :) The last few rounds may very well have seen a dramatic increase in turnouts! Or they could have seen a decrease, as those who have had their favourite choice removed decide not to vote anymore. Unless they decide to list the exact numbers on these competitions, we can't really say one way or the other.
Athanatos 12-25-05, 02:23 PM	Well, Ogre, Titan 54 has received a total of 204.5 percent of the votes, whereas Taibo has received a mere 136.2. Despite this impressive difference, however, we have no definitive proof that the last rounds have not seen an upsurge in voting, and thus a statement like that, while LIKELY, is not true. Besides, it's a hollow victory anyway. Titan 54 hasn't won a single round against Taibo. Being in more rounds should STRENGTHEN his voting total, not weaken it. Or an individual chosen by divine powers to be an exception to its race. :) Apples to oranges, whee! Varuna is different from the rest of the race in that he is more powerful and was chosen by a deity to accomplish something. Of course he's an exception to his race. By that reasoning, we can say that any Creature of Legend is an exception to its race, and any creature far stronger than the rest of its species is an exception to its race. Are those statements true? I suppose. Do they apply to this situation at all? No. But aside from more capactity for intelligence and greatness granted by his Creature of Legend template, Varuna acts in a way that does not seem out of the ordinary for a minotaur. If Varuna had been chosen by an LG god to spread love and happiness across the world, I'd sure as heck be voting for someone else. The reason Taibo is drawing so much flak is because his entire philosophy and lifestyle clashes radically with his race, like the legions of CG drow that annoy us to no end. And why did he become an ascetic monk? Because he saw a monk defeat a dragon. He completely abandoned his thieving ways to acheive... something that he wasn't looking to acheive in the first place. While I do not mean to spark ad hominem attacks, and apologize fully if my comments about your creation offend you, but the concept does not sit right with me at all. ESPECIALLY after the last competition was won by a similarly silly character. Or they could have seen a decrease, as those who have had their favourite choice removed decide not to vote anymore. Unless they decide to list the exact numbers on these competitions, we can't really say one way or the other. Aye, and since we can't say one way or the other, a statement such as "Titan 54 has won more total votes than any other creature" cannot be proved and is false for our current purposes.
Shantak 12-25-05, 04:43 PM	guess i'm alone on that, but i never liked how 'human' sir zeev looked compared to the other competitors... anyway, do they got stats written? i'm aware that's not important here, (else the rolling rock would be the dull winner) yet i'd like to see 'em :) oh yeah, and down with the monk :P .
WolfHati 12-25-05, 05:22 PM	How does the ethereal filcher thing have any votes at all? Seriously. First off, he's named after a pseudo- martial art exercise fad that's been over for a bloody decade, and isn't even old enough to have the dignity of being retro. Not only that, but it's a race that could only have been designed by someone under the influence, and seems to have no purpose other than as a tool for DMs to annoy the ever loving crap out of their players with. And how does something like that get any martial arts training at all? Even if it was creative and smart enough to want any, it isn't likely isn't as ethereal filchers make orcs and gnolls look like geniuses. On the other hand you have what is more or less the most awesome minotaur ever, with unholy powers of mass destruction. Or, if that doesn't float your boat, there's the quintessential giant badass robot of doom. Not creative, but it isn't supposed to be, and it certainly doesn't have to be: it's a friggin' huge mechanical creature that can smash anything wussy enough to care about creativity and all that touchy-feely stuff.
Slagger the Chuul 12-25-05, 09:57 PM	Of course he's an exception to his race. By that reasoning, we can say that any Creature of Legend is an exception to its race, and any creature far stronger than the rest of its species is an exception to its race. Are those statements true? I suppose. Do they apply to this situation at all? No. Unless you're prepared to say "I just don't like exceptions to a race"; exceptions come in all types. Power is one, personal philosophy is another. The reason Taibo is drawing so much flak is because his entire philosophy and lifestyle clashes radically with his race, like the legions of CG drow that annoy us to no end. Those annoy us because most of them are cheap, blatant imitations of an existing character. There are a vast number of individuals that are blatant exceptions to their basic nature (and not just in D&D by any means). Frankly, people seem to like them. I'm sorry that you don't like Taibo; personally, I wouldn't have minded too much if any of the competitors in this competiton won. Oh, and go Taibo!
Ogre4Hire 12-26-05, 03:01 AM	Well, look on the bright side: at least you can be assured that no one is voting for a compedator because they've got boobs (well, there's a slight possibility in the case of Vaurna, but I am not checking). Well, love him or hate him, you've got to admit that Titan 54 does well the stuff he does.:D Come Tuesday, I expect that 3rd place ain't bad.
Landerson 12-26-05, 10:03 AM	I really think that tiabo will win because whenever someone throws a normal spell (like magic missile) at him, poof! and he's in the etheral plane. Then when he wants poof once again throw a few punches laugh, and back into the etheral plane.:D Although, now that i think about it, maybe someone could get him if they had a ring of etheralness or something like that......... :eek:
Landerson 12-26-05, 10:10 AM	Those annoy us because most of them are cheap, blatant imitations of an existing character. There are a vast number of individuals that are blatant exceptions to their basic nature (and not just in D&D by any means). Frankly, people seem to like them. Oh, and go Taibo! I completly agree with Slagger, so many of them are just cheap, weak, stupid, weird, supposadly beefed up, crappy, bad, imitations. Oh yeah, GO TAIBO!!!! :) :) :)
Ogre4Hire 12-26-05, 12:53 PM	I really think that tiabo will win because whenever someone throws a normal spell (like magic missile) at him, poof! and he's in the etheral plane. Then when he wants poof once again throw a few punches laugh, and back into the etheral plane.:D Although, now that i think about it, maybe someone could get him if they had a ring of etheralness or something like that......... :eek: Actually, it takes an Etheral Filcher a Move Action to go Etheral, so he he can't really use it defensively (other than to give himself a few rounds to catch his breath). This means that on a By the Numbers comparison, Titan or Varana would utterly annihilate the monkey, since their damage potential on a single strike basis is going to be far in excess of his, and both of them have better attack bonuses and ACs. Not to mention that neither of them can be stunned. Also, I'd just like to point out that as a force effect, Magic Missile can strike Etheral targets with no difficulty.
Hedstrong 12-26-05, 05:48 PM	Well Titan 54, your moment of truth is nigh. Rest assured that your fans who have remained loyal from the very start are extremely pleased at how well you have come. You stood your ground from the very start, declaring your supremecy over all of the other starting competetors, and truly you were supreme , outlasting them all. You withstood the meager slimy efforts of Gelatinous Man, as he essential oiled your hinges, tested your armor against the teeth and claws of Leoalcorn and the Hydra, showed the Juggernaut who truly cannot be easily pushed aside, your axe was more then a match for the Zelekhuts chains, proved that you can't be taken down by the cowardly sculking of a satyr, against the intellect devour, we've seen soemtimes having somone else do the planning can be usefull, no demon like the nycaloth could penetrate steel of the 'forged, frilly warlocks, pfff more like frilly splatters on your foot, as for Terminus well, "Sticks and stones cant break your bones, but Titan 54 CRUSHED you!", as for Rhandis, IG\BIAJ, Harold and Sir Zeez, you watched as they were dispatched. You have fought well against the mighty Varunna and the sickeningly horrible Monk, We Who Follow The Forged Salute You! :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: :fight!: (as a side note, no im not crazy, just felt liek being enthusiastic)
the_Dracofanatic 12-26-05, 07:22 PM	Amen Hedstrong!! Warforged fans, rally around the titan!! :w00t: :w00t: 54, EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!:fight!: PS: Next time, dragons will rule!! (if they get in)
KhanSemus 12-26-05, 09:03 PM	We Who Follow The Forged Salute You! O yea! Come on, just need a few votes to stay in the running!
Zevox 12-26-05, 09:20 PM	PS: Next time, dragons will rule!! (if they get in) :rofl: Sorry, but that cracked me up. I take it you missed the announcement back during the first half of the competition - the next Creature Competition is going to be a Dragon Competition. So theres no doubt that Dragons will rule next time, nor any that they will get in. Hence my amusement at reading your post. Zevox
Slagger the Chuul 12-27-05, 03:08 AM	Actually, it takes an Etheral Filcher a Move Action to go Etheral, so he he can't really use it defensively (other than to give himself a few rounds to catch his breath). This means that on a By the Numbers comparison, Titan or Varana would utterly annihilate the monkey, since their damage potential on a single strike basis is going to be far in excess of his, and both of them have better attack bonuses and ACs. Not to mention that neither of them can be stunned. You're right on the ethereal part, but I checked out some numbers on a potential build with the titan and Taibo (assuming advanced HD for the titan, and Vow of Peace/Poverty for Taibo, with both at CR 12) and it's very close. The titan's damage reduction gives it a lot of protection, while Taibo has the advantage in AC and its many attacks balance the scales.
Abyssal Stalker 12-27-05, 04:40 AM	I really think that tiabo will win because whenever someone throws a normal spell (like magic missile) at him, poof! and he's in the etheral plane. Then when he wants poof once again throw a few punches laugh, and back into the etheral plane.:D Although, now that i think about it, maybe someone could get him if they had a ring of etheralness or something like that......... :eek: Taibo: Poof! Hits Varuna. Thud! Poof! Varuna: Didn't feel a thing. Swings, but Taibo is already gone. Taibo: Poof! Hits Titan 54. Blonk! Poof! Titan 54: Paint is scratched. Swings, but once again Taibo isn't there. Taibo: Poof! Hits Varuna. Thud! Varuna: KA-BLAM! Hits Taibo. Taibo: Finds himself mystically planehopped into the opposite end of the Arena. Poofs a little too late. Titan 54 and Varuna clash against eachother once the irritating disbturbance has been taken care of...
Wotc_Mark 12-27-05, 07:19 PM	Titan 54 ... Where Are You? (Week 12) Alas the damage from 12 weeks of battle have taken their toll on the mighty Titan 54 and he has fallen. Will his support go to Varuna or will Taibo run away with the victory?.... - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 53% - Minotaur: 23.8% - Warforged Titan: 23.2% Voting for the final round will continue for the next two weeks, however tune in next tuesday and see if ARDy returns and if he finds whats left of Harold? And we will also have info on how you can contribute to our next creature competition ... and YES ... it's Dragons! MJ :cool:
tragedy 12-27-05, 07:20 PM	Taibo is winning!!!! :w00t: :ayyyy!: :D :bow: :clap: :evillaughTitan 54 has fallen and Taibo is now certainly going to be the new champion!!!!
Balor von Balorvitch 12-27-05, 07:58 PM	The Legend is still doing fine,thank Antioch! Taibo may not have this competion in the bag yet! If you combine the brusier weights then Varuna can win this, god he survived this long why not make him the victor! Now that it is 2 competiors the flitching thing is less of a worry, Varuna can always grapple him now and eventually make him pass out in some sort of submisson hold until he passes out as it is unlikely that even with all the vows he can break the minos hold. Or he could just do readyed actions aganist the juanting to get his hits off where he can. And if Taibo gets his VoP, imagine the magic items of the Mino! thats atleast 200,000 gp in magic items! I think Taibo will fall to the Mino in 2 weeks, to hell with the odds! VARUNA IS GOING TO WIN!
DMaster42 12-27-05, 09:14 PM	NO ONE CAN STOP THE MINOTUAR :ayyyy!: :dancin: ! Especially a monk! i always disliked them. But it will a duel to the death! *note that Varuna being Undead cant die so she has already won the duel to the death* :fight!: and this is what Taibo shall be once the smoke has cleared :ghosted: :ghosted: :ghosted:
Zevox 12-27-05, 09:17 PM	All I can say is: :cheer: :w00t: :dancin: :clap: :ayyyy!: :bounce: . The Titan has fallen! At last! If last week was the worst of the competition for me, this week is the best. After so long, that monstrous mechanical menace is finished, and I need no longer worry about the winner being a creature I wouldn't want to win. So my vote continues to go to Taibo (gotta go with the good guy), but I now know I'll be happy with the winner ragardless. ... I am somewhat annoyed that they're making this last session of the competition last two weeks, though. I'd rather know the winner next week, personally. Seeing each elimination week by week was half the fun of this, especially since the boards have been a lot less active than the first competition's. Zevox
flealord 12-27-05, 09:23 PM	well I think the battle will go like this... Taibo:keeps poofing in and out yelling "LOOOK AT ME I'M INVINCIBLE" Varuna:Smashes taibo into a ploody pulp
Balor von Balorvitch 12-27-05, 10:14 PM	... I am somewhat annoyed that they're making this last session of the competition last two weeks, though. I'd rather know the winner next week, personally. Seeing each elimination week by week was half the fun of this, especially since the boards have been a lot less active than the first competition's. Zevox Not much to debate, no boobs, no meepo, there goes 90% of the jerks who posted here. Everyone who posts on here has made solid points and been very mature.
Athanatos 12-27-05, 10:23 PM	Well, I've come to respect Titan 54 voters a lot more than I used to. That being said... who are you going to vote for now? A little pansy who's only been brave enough to show up for the last few rounds, or another big bruiser that's been fighting since practically the beginning? Titan 54 voters, shift your weight to the cause of Varuna!
Fanatic-Templar 12-27-05, 10:34 PM	Though I am loathe to make common cause with the supporters of the warforged, the sacrifice is acceptable to give us a champion who is worthy of being in a roleplaying game. Varuna, endure beyond all odds once more!
KhanSemus 12-27-05, 11:04 PM	NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Treachery! Followers of 54, turn to the MINOTAUR!! Kill the little pip-squeak!
Ogre4Hire 12-27-05, 11:09 PM	Radio Crackles Titan 54, what is your situation? Titan 54, respond. Titan 54, do you read? Sounds Hysterical Titan 54... Static Damn, and we were only 6 tenths of a percent behind Varuna. Well, thank you, everybody who voted for 54. Sorry we didn't make it to the end. But we got the bronze, which isn't bad, especially considering the competition. Don't know about the rest of you, but I guess that I'll throw my weight behind the Minotaur. Piledrive that stupid monkey!
Slagger the Chuul 12-27-05, 11:22 PM	But it will a duel to the death! *note that Varuna being Undead cant die so she has already won the duel to the death* I think it's a duel to destruction; if it was a duel to the death, Varuna would automatically lose by virtue of already being dead, but the minotaur is obviously still in there. It looks like we've got plenty of spite and bile here, even without kobolds, sex appeal, or the tarrasque, but time and votes will tell. I'm still a bit annoyed because the trend of the previous weeks gives us a pretty good guess at the outcome, instead of it being a complete mystery until the final day; I liked the previous format. Nothing much more to say here except, go Taibo!
Hedstrong 12-27-05, 11:37 PM	AH so CLOSE, .6%, yur a lucky son of a bull there Varunna. But theres nothing wrong with coming in third, not mention, 54 held his own throughout the entire tournament. Congrats, now my vote falls upon Varunna, a fellow bruiser and a pretty good concept. May the Lord of Blades have mercy on thee 54. (and rest assured you'll end up in my campaign.)
T.R.I.P. 12-28-05, 02:35 AM	I think Varuna should definitly win!!! Even if the little monk could penetrate Varuna's damage reduction, physical blows only deal half damage to the mummy and with the fast healing from the legend template the monk can jab him al he wants, the only thing he wil accomplish is getting tired!!!! Varuna will have no such problem!!
Penguin_Witchdoctor 12-28-05, 03:30 AM	WOOHOO lift'em up lift'em up yeah yeah. WOOHOO. Go Varuna. :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Wow I don't think Varuna has won a single round by 1% or more yet. almost all have been by less then 1% (Too Lazy to go back and check) Now All Varuna will do is start to rip Taibo's arms off one by one and then wrap Taibo around his horns like a piece of taffy on a taffy stretcher. everyone knew that Titan 54 couldn't withstand the entire time with blow after blow from so many other big brutes. I mean atleast Varuna has DR and Fast healing. Titan 54 dosen't have any of those benefits. he just semi-intelligent piece of rock and wood.
RavinRay 12-28-05, 03:43 AM	Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh The Titan's gone, can't abide the thought of it staying on while my poor Juggernaut went kaput so soon. :P :dancin: What the heck is Tiamat doing out of Avernus monitoring this? Shouldn't Chronepsis the observer be a better commentator? Speaking of, for the dragon competition, unless ARDy is a dispassionate watcher of Chronepsis, the commentator should be such a dragon.
Balor von Balorvitch 12-28-05, 11:19 AM	How many votes is that? It might be that every vote you cast gets an extra .05% so thats like 12 votes over 54 (or one guy voting 12 times, i got to 6 computers but hats off to the guy who got to 12!) I hope to god Harold does not come back after all this BS with him! Frist he wasn't fighting, then he was an annocer, then he was a spell weaver, now he might come down and be the number #1 contender for Varunas championship? N0 way! GORE GORE GORE! Who would be better to beat the crap out of Harold a dude who phases in and out doing cheap shots or a guy who would beat him like the Goverment Mul (Damn that 1/2 dwarf can take alot!)
Hedstrong 12-28-05, 01:09 PM	I mean atleast Varuna has DR and Fast healing. Titan 54 dosen't have any of those benefits. he just semi-intelligent piece of rock and wood. Titan 54 has DR 10/Adamantine
JackJester 12-28-05, 01:12 PM	Well even if everyone who voted for the Warforged turned to the Minotaur as long as Taibo's voters continue, he'll auto-win. I've got to give it to Taibo. I like Varuna, but Monk is my favorite class bar none so Taibo's got my full support.
I_am_an_undead 12-28-05, 05:13 PM	Well, here's the last match (I'm happy that the Titan got finally wasted). I'm gonna stick to the Minotaur now, and I would verry much like him anyway. Howerver, I doubt he will, 'cos the statistics are against him. Even if every last people who voted Titan decided to vote for Varuna, the Mino STILL wouldn't win. I'm gonna hope anyway...
aquazortz 12-28-05, 05:22 PM	Seems like when most people voted they forgot about fatigue and Sir Zeev's smiting. Over 12weeks of battle the other fighters had to get tired, the titan cannot. How did an undead creature survive that long with the paladin out there? :ghosted: + :angel: :fight!: = :ghosted: :confused:
Ogre4Hire 12-28-05, 10:17 PM	I think that Zeev probably used most of his smites to put the holy smackdown on the 'Loth and other fiends. PS if Harold shows back up, I hope that Varuna gives him a Boston Crab.
Kitaki 12-28-05, 10:40 PM	Go Mummified Minotaur of Legend, I still say my own creation Thok the Destroyer would kill everything(Minotaur Half-Blue Dragon Half-Iron Golem)
Nirako 12-28-05, 11:17 PM	In a fight: Varuna just needs to keep taking readied actions against Taibo 'jaunting to the Material Plane in strike range until the little beggar shows up. The minotaur will eventually win. Theme: Mummified idolized beast of creature giving up the way of its race to perfect its normal method of combat after being inspired by a human using it? Varuna wins again. Name: Taibo is a corny name for a monk. Varuna wins again. Overall: The protocal is obvious. Varuna wins.
Slagger the Chuul 12-29-05, 02:26 AM	In a fight: Varuna just needs to keep taking readied actions against Taibo 'jaunting to the Material Plane in strike range until the little beggar shows up. The minotaur will eventually win. The best option for Taibo is actually a toe-to-toe fight, since it has the advantage in AC and number of attacks. A full attack from Taibo can tear through Varuna in one round, because the minotaur's greatest weakness is a woefully low hit point total. Taibo is a fun name for a monk, go Taibo!
flealord 12-29-05, 01:49 PM	The best option for Taibo is actually a toe-to-toe fight, since it has the advantage in AC and number of attacks. A full attack from Taibo can tear through Varuna in one round, because the minotaur's greatest weakness is a woefully low hit point total. Taibo is a fun name for a monk, go Taibo! well lets see what happens in toe-to-toe taibo:keeps hitting varuna with flurry Varuna:feels nothing BAM!!!!!!!!! smashes Taibo right into the wall! then varuna wins
Ogre4Hire 12-29-05, 05:32 PM	The best option for Taibo is actually a toe-to-toe fight, since it has the advantage in AC and number of attacks. A full attack from Taibo can tear through Varuna in one round, because the minotaur's greatest weakness is a woefully low hit point total. Taibo is a fun name for a monk, go Taibo! Well, sure, if the monk is packing a feat that not only doesn't make sense for him, but also raises his CR by +2 (tell me that a VoP monk NPC shouldn't have +2 CR for all the extras he'll get).
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 12-29-05, 06:01 PM	Varuna. Because I hate filchers.
Slagger the Chuul 12-30-05, 02:40 AM	Well, sure, if the monk is packing a feat that not only doesn't make sense for him, but also raises his CR by +2 (tell me that a VoP monk NPC shouldn't have +2 CR for all the extras he'll get). Actually, I'm assuming Varuna would have an suitable amount of equipment; even the standard minotaur is equipped with a nice greataxe, so you can bet that there would be some nice material buried with Varuna. well lets see what happens in toe-to-toe taibo:keeps hitting varuna with flurry Varuna:feels nothing Knocking 5 points off each attack simply doesn't make enough of a difference; a good monk can hit nice and hard. Varuna is really great, and quite powerful, but that dead body is relatively flimsy underneath all the special abilities.
Zemyla 12-30-05, 01:48 PM	Okay. I find it funny that even though Taibo has 53% of the vote, very few of his supporters are showing up on the boards. However, I am one of them. GO TAIBO!
flealord 12-30-05, 10:26 PM	Actually, I'm assuming Varuna would have an suitable amount of equipment; even the standard minotaur is equipped with a nice greataxe, so you can bet that there would be some nice material buried with Varuna. Knocking 5 points off each attack simply doesn't make enough of a difference; a good monk can hit nice and hard. Varuna is really great, and quite powerful, but that dead body is relatively flimsy underneath all the special abilities. you've got a point, I mean taibo is very specialized in his class I mean 4 arms and teleport make a pretty good monk, but still Varuna isn't really that flimsy I mean there are undead creatures that aren't flimsy, like the lich and skeletons. but taibo does non-lethal damage with his punches wich is 1d3 per punch and the highest he can go is 16 in a flurry of blows and I don't think that's going too be easy for taibo against the very built but dum varuna. so I say there close too equal with varuna slightly higher.
Hedstrong 12-30-05, 11:09 PM	you've got a point, I mean taibo is very specialized in his class I mean 4 arms and teleport make a pretty good monk, but still Varuna isn't really that flimsy I mean there are undead creatures that aren't flimsy, like the lich and skeletons. but taibo does non-lethal damage with his punches wich is 1d3 per punch and the highest he can go is 16 in a flurry of blows and I don't think that's going too be easy for taibo against the very built but dum varuna. so I say there close too equal with varuna slightly higher. PLEASE tell me you have looked at the Players Handbook! Since Taibo has been written as a MONK, i'd assume he has a few levels in it, raising his damage out put to mor ehtne a mere d3. Mind you im absolutly agaisnt Taibo it just reeks of munchkinism. Isnt it odd how the stupidest most ridiculous monsters always seem to win in thend.
Slagger the Chuul 12-31-05, 02:06 AM	Mind you im absolutly agaisnt Taibo it just reeks of munchkinism. Nah, that would be an anthropomorphic squid monk; it's hard to get really munchkinny without templates.
Athanatos 12-31-05, 10:47 AM	Nah, that would be an anthropomorphic squid monk; it's hard to get really munchkinny without templates. Not really. Templates just make it even easier.
flealord 12-31-05, 03:21 PM	PLEASE tell me you have looked at the Players Handbook! Since Taibo has been written as a MONK, i'd assume he has a few levels in it, raising his damage out put to mor ehtne a mere d3. Mind you im absolutly agaisnt Taibo it just reeks of munchkinism. Isnt it odd how the stupidest most ridiculous monsters always seem to win in thend. hey I read the manual I just got bored reading the monk and moved on, I mean look at not enough buff too be good combatant, not enough skill too be a good skill class, and has no spellcasting too be wizard or cleric the best thing you could have done with it is multiclass and it can't even do that right with it's restrictions. so hey I read the manual. oh and srry if I sound angry cause i'm not.
Athanatos 12-31-05, 04:07 PM	Oh, he thinks the monk is underpowered. How cute.
flealord 12-31-05, 04:12 PM	what so good about a monk?
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 12-31-05, 04:42 PM	what so good about a monk? *Clears throat* Monks. Pros include: Insane saves in all fields, no armor but adds wisdom, dexterity, and a special modifier to AC (a lot of monks have better AC naked than a fighter in full plate with a tower shield), flurry of blows, self healing, impressive fisticuffs damage progression, a few bonus feats, improved base land speed, ability to overcome damage reduction, immunities to natural diseases, evasion and improved evasion, immunity to all poisons, gains spell resistance, gains an instant kill attack, slowed aging, gains DR, immunities to charm spells, need I go on?
flealord 12-31-05, 04:49 PM	*Clears throat* Monks. Pros include: Insane saves in all fields, no armor but adds wisdom, dexterity, and a special modifier to AC (a lot of monks have better AC naked than a fighter in full plate with a tower shield), flurry of blows, self healing, impressive fisticuffs damage progression, a few bonus feats, improved base land speed, ability to overcome damage reduction, immunities to natural diseases, evasion and improved evasion, immunity to all poisons, gains spell resistance, gains an instant kill attack, slowed aging, gains DR, immunities to charm spells, need I go on?the monk has all that? hmm wish I could change my vote ahwell
Hedstrong 12-31-05, 05:17 PM	One thing i've always wondered though, do we even know what level of monk Taibo is?
Athanatos 12-31-05, 05:44 PM	Nope. Probably something low-medium, however. Unfortunately, he probably has more class levels than Varuna.
Slagger the Chuul 01-01-06, 02:19 AM	Each time I've compared them, I aimed to give everyone a Challenge Rating of 12, and to be on the safe side, I decided to assume that monk was an associated class for the ethereal filcher (a class that plays directly to its strengths) and gave Taibo 9 levels of monk. If monk is a nonassociated class for an ethereal filcher (and it isn't one of the examples given for sneaky creatures), you could fit in another couple of monk levels.
Strange Charm 01-01-06, 09:45 AM	Even if Taibo wasn't able to do much damage to the Legendary Min-O-Mummy, it can't do any damage to him. This is a one-sided fight, period. I vote Taibo all the way. (Also, it's just an awesome concept.)
Athanatos 01-01-06, 11:44 AM	*sigh* How many times do we have to debunk the "Ethereal Jaunt Makes Me Invincible" myth?
WVgamer 01-01-06, 04:49 PM	I'm for the mino-mummy, but something has me a little worried. Real Harold still hasn't been found, so what if ARDy finds him not only alive, but fighting fit. With this whole being there to missing, back again with a replacement, Spellweaver, now missing again, is it possible the winner of these two will have to battle Harold the Bard.
Hedstrong 01-01-06, 05:08 PM	I'm for the mino-mummy, but something has me a little worried. Real Harold still hasn't been found, so what if ARDy finds him not only alive, but fighting fit. With this whole being there to missing, back again with a replacement, Spellweaver, now missing again, is it possible the winner of these two will have to battle Harold the Bard. If that happens WoTC headquarters will be stormed with furious people. That would seriously frustrate me. i say BOO to Harold returning.
Fanatic-Templar 01-01-06, 05:24 PM	At least I'm satisfied that my assessment that the Spellweaver was impersonating Harold was correct.
RavinRay 01-02-06, 08:07 AM	Real Harold still hasn't been found, so what if ARDy finds him not only alive, but fighting fit. If he was there to begin with. I'm also wondering what dear ol' Tiamat is really planning, watching over the competition and staying on, even if ARDy returns with Harold. Will this battle segue directly into the upcoming dragon battle?
spncrbrrtt 01-02-06, 01:47 PM	Titan54 shouldn't have been beaten. :weep: but timat is wrong about one thing. this titan supporter isn't going over to varuna. GO TIABO!
Hantle_Scantle 01-02-06, 10:35 PM	what test are you talking about (Dwarf fighter) :invasion: :bounce: :pile:
Slagger the Chuul 01-03-06, 07:27 AM	If that happens WoTC headquarters will be stormed with furious people. That would seriously frustrate me. i say BOO to Harold returning. If the bard showed up again, I would hope that the battle pits Harold against all of the other competitors.
spncrbrrtt 01-03-06, 09:43 AM	the charactor placement test
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 01-03-06, 03:21 PM	Interesting. Two weeks for the final brawl. VOTE VARUNA!
Arcticflare 01-03-06, 07:47 PM	I've been voting for Taibo as soon as he popped up, I'm not about to stop now. Its only a matter of time before Varuna falls as well, although he was my second favorite. Even if Stunning Fist doesn't help, the Minomummy has to fall sooner or later. As long as Taibo doesn't get hit too much. AS for Harold returning for a final fight, I think he'd be thrashed. For some reason, I don't think a Human 12 Bard can hold his own in solo combat against an undead minotaur or a four armed monk. As for the dragon competition, do they want ideas here, or in a different thread?
Lord_rock 01-03-06, 08:49 PM	with only nine levels of monk is taibo's dmg high enough to get reduced by half and then get hosed by DR??? also doesn't "of Legend" lend quite a bit to him to deal with the monk??? how bout if Varuna had the one that does dmg to the attacker, elemental blood or something...then Taibo's attacks would be getting nerfed by reduce to half then apply DR and Taibo takes dmg...hmmm i really really vote for VARUNA...
Zevox 01-03-06, 09:12 PM	As for the dragon competition, do they want ideas here, or in a different thread? They'll make another thread for it next week most likely. Thats what happened when the first Creature Competition ended and they announced this one. Anyway, heres hoping for a win by Taibo (having my #3 choice for the competition out of 16 win wouldn't be bad at all from my perspective, and it seems likely :) ). Vote Ethereal Filcher Monk! Zevox
Lord_rock 01-03-06, 09:45 PM	Actually, I'm assuming Varuna would have an suitable amount of equipment; even the standard minotaur is equipped with a nice greataxe, so you can bet that there would be some nice material buried with Varuna. Knocking 5 points off each attack simply doesn't make enough of a difference; a good monk can hit nice and hard. Varuna is really great, and quite powerful, but that dead body is relatively flimsy underneath all the special abilities. but cutting the dmg from each hit in half and then reducing it by 5 and then fast healing kicking in isn't really flimsy...
Hedstrong 01-03-06, 09:59 PM	I may be jumping ship a little early here but iv already got 5 dragons fleshed out and would like to know a few things, (yea yea i know, 'next week' but i wanna ask now neways) is there a CR cap? and will the voting format be the same for the Dragon competition? (personally i prefer the old voting format then this one)
Zevox 01-03-06, 10:08 PM	We don't know the CR limit yet - presumably it'll be announced next week when the thread is started. For the voting format, I'm not sure - I think Mark mentioned it somewhere in here, but my memory isn't working for it. And you're not jumping ship too early - all thats left is to await the results of the vote next week, after all. We've all said what we want to by now. Personally, as far the next competition goes, I've got one idea set in stone already (and have for a few months now ;) ), and another rattling around my head undergoing fine-tuning. Zevox
Dark Kyosuke 01-03-06, 10:20 PM	Hmmmm... I never knew about this before. When the new competition opens, I might have to put in my vote for one or two dragons I fear may otherwise be ignored... Unitl then, I'm voting for the Mino-Mummy...
Slagger the Chuul 01-04-06, 03:32 AM	but cutting the dmg from each hit in half and then reducing it by 5 and then fast healing kicking in isn't really flimsy... You're thinking of the old 3.0 mummy, which had the Resistant to Blows ability, but only DR 5/+1. The 3.5 mummy has DR 5/--, but no longer has Resistant to Blows. Fast healing 5 is tasty, but not nearly tasty enough against a full attack.
Arken_Featherwind 01-04-06, 09:28 AM	I predict a return of Harold.... Come on the bard has to win.... I demand a return of Harold!!!!!! But if it ain't possible the minitour will work fine I guess....
Arken_Featherwind 01-04-06, 09:40 AM	Oh and I have to note... If Varuna is soo legendary then he would have great armor on top of the fact of DR too bad the filcher hasn't thought about materializing inside of him.... Varuna would go all *poof* like
Ogre4Hire 01-04-06, 05:23 PM	You can't telefrag in D&D! :ahem:
Arken_Featherwind 01-04-06, 06:16 PM	Depends on the dm and realm
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 01-04-06, 10:53 PM	Imagine an attempted telefragging by Taibo, but Varuna, being undead, notes the issue and avoids death by virtue of being immune to instant death, pulls Taibo out through his own ribcage, and slugs him clear to the stratosphere.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 01-05-06, 05:46 AM	You know I was hoping that Varuna would have infected Taibo with mummy rot with a successful charge/gore, but then I remembered that Taibo is a monk. Immune to disease. Well i guess it's time for a good ole butt whoopin'. I bet Varuna has Improved multiattack.
Slagger the Chuul 01-05-06, 08:56 AM	You know I was hoping that Varuna would have infected Taibo with mummy rot with a successful charge/gore, but then I remembered that Taibo is a monk. Immune to disease. Well i guess it's time for a good ole butt whoopin'. I bet Varuna has Improved multiattack. You've got that backwards; Taibo is likely to outdo Varuna in a slugging match (you can bet Multiweapon Fighting is on Taibo's list), but monks aren't immune to supernatural diseases like mummy rot. The minotaur still has to hit to deliver the mummy rot, of course, and monks also have good saving throws.
Vvaraak 01-05-06, 08:56 AM	Is this also where we post suggestions for dragons? -if not,could someone please tell me where,this forum is so big and i already had trouble finding this thread. :(
Athanatos 01-05-06, 12:15 PM	You've got that backwards; Taibo is likely to outdo Varuna in a slugging match (you can bet Multiweapon Fighting is on Taibo's list), but monks aren't immune to supernatural diseases like mummy rot. The minotaur still has to hit to deliver the mummy rot, of course, and monks also have good saving throws. Minotaur has obscenely high strength. You can bet that at least some hits are going to get through. You're definitely right about the saving throws, however.
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 01-05-06, 08:35 PM	Is this also where we post suggestions for dragons? -if not,could someone please tell me where,this forum is so big and i already had trouble finding this thread. :( At this point, ARDy hasn't given instructions where to put our suggestions. It should be up by next week where we go.
Slagger the Chuul 01-06-06, 11:26 AM	Minotaur has obscenely high strength. You can bet that at least some hits are going to get through. You're definitely right about the saving throws, however. Taibo can hope for a much better AC than Varuna, and has the Hit Points to survive a hit or two, even given the minotaur's massive Strength. The one thing Varuna wouldn't want to dois to stand around for a full attack from Taibo, because there's not much chance of surviving it. Taibo's ethereal jaunting is another major problem, since it makes it hard for the minotaur to use a powerful charge before the monk gets close, or rely on having greater reach.
Balor von Balorvitch 01-06-06, 12:46 PM	Ok if we are allowing Taibo VoP then Varuna has all the magic items that is afforded by his level. Thus Varuna has atleast +4 weapons and maybe +3 full plate along with anything else he wants with his hundreds of thousands of gp. So Varuna would have no prob hitting the monk as well as many other cookies for the Mino Mummy. (Keep in mind that a cloak of ethrealness is only 50,000 gp) and Taibo has not but a loin cloth (and not a good one at that!). And maybe Varuna has phasing weapons. It is unfair to allow VoP if Varuna has no equipment, and if he has equipment he would have the advantage in combat. And if Taibo appears in Varuna with his juant, he not only would not kill the mino but cause full emerson in what ever element Varuna is. + a Grapple would be more in Varunas favor, it would hold up the monk and if Varuna was bleeding it would be 1d6 damage a round until death, with spiked armor thats an extra 1d6. Varuna would grapple until he fast healed up and Taibo couldn't. So Varuna is the better toe to toe fighter
Slagger the Chuul 01-07-06, 10:57 AM	Thus Varuna has atleast +4 weapons and maybe +3 full plate along with anything else he wants with his hundreds of thousands of gp. So Varuna would have no prob hitting the monk as well as many other cookies for the Mino Mummy. (Keep in mind that a cloak of ethrealness is only 50,000 gp) and Taibo has not but a loin cloth (and not a good one at that!). And maybe Varuna has phasing weapons. It is unfair to allow VoP if Varuna has no equipment, and if he has equipment he would have the advantage in combat. Even if we gave him the wealth of a 12th-level character, that's only 88,000 gp. I would fully expect Varuna to have nice equipment, it just doesn't make enough of a difference, especially if most of the money is spent on a fancy cloak to deal with one ability that Taibo can do quite well without. Magical full plate would also impose a -5 armour check penalty to Varuna's Strength and Dexterity based skill and ability checks, and attack rolls, since minotaurs aren't proficient with heavy armour. And if Taibo appears in Varuna with his juant, he not only would not kill the mino but cause full emerson in what ever element Varuna is. The telefragging idea someone suggested is silly and no DM in their right mind would allow it. Dropping in right next to the opponent makes much more sense. + a Grapple would be more in Varunas favor, it would hold up the monk and if Varuna was bleeding it would be 1d6 damage a round until death, with spiked armor thats an extra 1d6. Taibo has enough Hit Dice for Vow of Poverty to grant a continual freedom of movement spell effect, which means a grapple just won't be happening. The raging blood is basically useless against Taibo; all of its attacks except the bite are bludgeoning (raging blood only works when the creature takes slashing or piercing damage), and the Vow of Poverty grants enough energy resistance to block a mere 1d4 points of energy damage.
Athanatos 01-07-06, 11:06 AM	Magical full plate would also impose a -5 armour check penalty to Varuna's Strength and Dexterity based skill and ability checks, and attack rolls, since minotaurs aren't proficient with heavy armour. But Fighters are proficient, and that's the class in which Varuna has levels (according to Mercurius's suggestion).
Balor von Balorvitch 01-07-06, 11:32 AM	.......................... Taibo has enough Hit Dice for Vow of Poverty to grant a continual freedom of movement spell effect, which means a grapple just won't be happening. The raging blood is basically useless against Taibo; all of its attacks except the bite are bludgeoning (raging blood only works when the creature takes slashing or piercing damage), and the Vow of Poverty grants enough energy resistance to block a mere 1d4 points of energy damage. Did i tell you how much i hate VoP! Lol. I understand the energy resistance but the freedom from movement :rant:. I assumed that both competiors had cr 15? Was I incorrect? So that means 3 lvs of fighter i guess (I would go for barbarian, but thats just how i roll) so the wealth Varuna would have is 200,000 (Assuming he was a Pc, and i do because Taibo has an ablity that uses this to determine powers not the NPC one) that is alot of gp to spend on random bling. If you would like to discount Varunas wealth and use him as written in the Monster manuals that would be easyer but i feel would give too much cloat to Taibo with his VoP, so i say if Varuna has not money, the greased up Flitcher gets no bonus from VoP LOL.
Zevox 01-07-06, 12:31 PM	I assumed that both competiors had cr 15? Was I incorrect? Yep. The CR limit set when the competition was announced was 12, so at best Taibo and Varuna are at that level (counting racial/template CR adjustments). Zevox
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 01-07-06, 03:40 PM	On a related note, consider the storylines for each character. Taibo has given up his pickpocketing ways in exchange for his monkish lifestyle. His complete disregard for material possessions would accomidate his Vow of Poverty. Against Varuna, this is a noteworthy power to have. Conversly, Varuna is nearly a demigod to the people near his labyrinth. As such, it stands to reason that the beings who mummified him would leave offerrings of food, drink, and gold (Egyptian style) for him as he was placed in his tomb. On top of that wealth, consider those he conquered in his life and his unlife. It makes sense that the gear left behind was worth something, and even a few items were magical. Varuna could easily have had his worshippers dispose of the useless weapons and items and offer him upgrades to please him. Having some decent magic items would be within easy reach.
Strange Charm 01-07-06, 11:42 PM	On a related note, consider the storylines for each character. Taibo has given up his pickpocketing ways in exchange for his monkish lifestyle. His complete disregard for material possessions would accomidate his Vow of Poverty. Against Varuna, this is a noteworthy power to have. Conversly, Varuna is nearly a demigod to the people near his labyrinth. As such, it stands to reason that the beings who mummified him would leave offerrings of food, drink, and gold (Egyptian style) for him as he was placed in his tomb. On top of that wealth, consider those he conquered in his life and his unlife. It makes sense that the gear left behind was worth something, and even a few items were magical. Varuna could easily have had his worshippers dispose of the useless weapons and items and offer him upgrades to please him. Having some decent magic items would be within easy reach. You're right! There's no reason Varuna couldn't have a ring of freedom of movement! Take that, VoP!
Nightfall, Lord of Shadow 01-08-06, 05:15 AM	I think Varuna would invest some cash into a ghost touch weapon, some ghost touch armor, and something to tag Taibo visually, to avoid being caught unawares. On top of that, he might snag a magic toy to boost his healing powers or his own obscene strength.
Strange Charm 01-08-06, 07:05 AM	Varuna casts spells as a cleric of at least 5th level. Invisibility purge is a nice 3rd-level cleric spell.
Balor von Balorvitch 01-08-06, 03:54 PM	I think Varuna would invest some cash into a ghost touch weapon, some ghost touch armor, and something to tag Taibo visually, to avoid being caught unawares. On top of that, he might snag a magic toy to boost his healing powers or his own obscene strength. Taibo is ethreal not incorepal. So Ghost touch items don't work. Trust me if Taibo could use Ghost touch weapons he would win by default.
Slagger the Chuul 01-08-06, 04:13 PM	Varuna casts spells as a cleric of at least 5th level. Invisibility purge is a nice 3rd-level cleric spell. Since Taibo is unlikely to spend more than a single round on the Ethereal Plane, that would be a good way for Varuna to waste a turn. It also seems that there's been no clear decision on which special attack the minotaur gained from being a monster of legend. Varuna will certainly get his one special attack from being a monster of legend and some suitable equipment (although the suggested purchases are mostly subpar or worthless). I'm sure that Taibo will do just fine with all the benefits of Vow of Poverty/Peace combined with all its monk abilities. Go Taibo!
spncrbrrtt 01-08-06, 06:51 PM	But Fighters are proficient, and that's the class in which Varuna has levels (according to Mercurius's suggestion). I thaught that undead didn't have class levels... or is that only undead when created? :confused:
Athanatos 01-08-06, 07:05 PM	I thaught that undead didn't have class levels... or is that only undead when created? :confused: Only SOME undead lose class levels, like skeletons and zombies. Things like mummies, vampries, and liches can have them. Hell, there's a 10th level mummy cleric right in the MM.
Strange Charm 01-09-06, 03:27 PM	Since Taibo is unlikely to spend more than a single round on the Ethereal Plane, that would be a good way for Varuna to waste a turn. It also seems that there's been no clear decision on which special attack the minotaur gained from being a monster of legend. Invisibility Purge isn't instantaneous; it lasts 1 min./level.
tragedy 01-09-06, 07:14 PM	Tomorrow is the grand finale.Who will win?Who will lose?14 weeks of fighting have come to this.Who will beat the snot out of the other and become the new champion?The suspense is killing everybody.BTW,if Taibo had Vow of Peace,it would be broken 100 times through.He's personally eliminated 3+ competitors.If that doesn't break the vow,then the gods are biased.
Hedstrong 01-09-06, 10:11 PM	Tomorrow is the grand finale.Who will win?Who will lose?14 weeks of fighting have come to this.Who will beat the snot out of the other and become the new champion?The suspense is killing everybody.BTW,if Taibo had Vow of Peace,it would be broken 100 times through.He's personally eliminated 3+ competitors.If that doesn't break the vow,then the gods are biased. I'm pretty sure Taibo is credited with Vow of Poverty and not Vow of Peace, it fits his back story and pulls off the 'oh look at me! im the opposite of my races majority!" factor.
Penguin_Witchdoctor 01-10-06, 01:48 AM	Yeah Taibo has been fighting this whole time. Just attacking breaks Vow of Peace. so no Vow of Peace for Taibo. I can see the Vow of Poverty though. Go Varuna I like You.
Slagger the Chuul 01-10-06, 02:55 AM	Invisibility Purge isn't instantaneous; it lasts 1 min./level. Yes, but what I meant is that he isn't going to be that hard to find since he's not going to be gone for long. The main point of being in the Ethereal Plane is that it makes Taibo hard to hit except with spell attacks; effective invisibility is a nice extra, but not really necessary in this particular combat. BTW,if Taibo had Vow of Peace,it would be broken 100 times through.He's personally eliminated 3+ competitors.If that doesn't break the vow,then the gods are biased. Yeah Taibo has been fighting this whole time. Just attacking breaks Vow of Peace. so no Vow of Peace for Taibo. A creature with Vow of Peace is not allowed to deal lethal damage to living opponents, but nonlethal damage is permitted, and nonliving opponents (such as constructs and undead) are fair game for lethal damage.
tragedy 01-10-06, 12:41 PM	Slagger,Taibo won!!!!! Congrats on such a decisive victory!!!!! Varuna got pwned hard on the vote.VERY hard.You must be proud of Taibo and his multiple kills.I found out when I looked at the voting page just a few minutes ago.
Wotc_Mark 01-10-06, 12:46 PM	Taibo Wins! The Ethereal Filcher popped once more into the Material Plane -- to claim his victory! - Ethereal Filcher Monk: 65.6% - Minotaur: 34.4% To find out how you can contribute a competitor for Creature Competition 3 -- Dragons! check out this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=8198209#post8198209)... But hurry you only have till the end of January. MJ :cool:
Zevox 01-10-06, 01:45 PM	Happy day! The Creature Competition 2 is over, and Taibo is victorious :cool: ! Congrats to Slagger on the winning creature! Now, on to the Dragon Competition nominations :D . Zevox
Hedstrong 01-10-06, 02:18 PM	Ah poo :nonono:, Taibo won. *sigh* figures... WELL, looks like im gonna have to prepare myself for those Red Dragon Paladins and Gold Blackgaurds to flood the nominations. (They atleast better have a better backstory then, *PWNZ ALLL!! HA HA HA*)
Raziel_Brokodar 01-10-06, 02:59 PM	...the final results make me ill... damn that Ethereal Flitcher! :mad:
Slagger the Chuul 01-10-06, 08:01 PM	...the final results make me ill... They're actually a little low if you predict a trend from the previous weeks. On Taibo's behalf, I'd like to dedicate this victory to all the ethereal filchers out there fawning over their precious, shiny magical trinkets; put all four arms to work on something better and this could be you. :) If only there was an ethereal filcher smilie.
Ogre4Hire 01-10-06, 08:11 PM	Good thing I rigged this competition. No, not the voting. The stadium. [Ogre4Hire hits the detonator] :headexplo
Athanatos 01-10-06, 09:15 PM	Exactly the dissapointment I expected. Next time, I'm going to be cheering for a Good competitor, but a sensible one. If a CG Black Dragon wins it, I am going to go all kinds of crazy.
Strange Charm 01-10-06, 11:05 PM	. . .I'm going to be cheering for a Good competitor, but a sensible one. If a CG Black Dragon wins it, I am going to go all kinds of crazy. I actually agree with Athanatos.
Quicksilver 01-10-06, 11:05 PM	Wow. We all saw that coming, but I couldn't quite believe it. No offense to Slagger, but the Ethereal Filcher Monk had novelty value and people voted for that. Titan 54 had raw power, but the Minotaur Mummy had real usable villain credibility. Hopefully, novelty won't rule the dragon competition. We can only have hope. :tantrum:
Rocketboy13 01-11-06, 01:03 AM	I really can't believe it won. A multi armed what-sa-do beat out a monster that sounded really cool, and the coolest campaign specific monster introduced in Eberron. Whimsy aside I just don't believe it. :nonono:
T.R.I.P. 01-11-06, 03:06 AM	Boohhhh!!! The fight was fixed!!! It had to be!!!!
Penguin_Witchdoctor 01-11-06, 03:15 AM	Bah I call a recount. That stupid gimmick monster isn't good enough too muck my warpony's stalls. Umm Undead are immune to nonletal damage, and Lethal damage is lethal damage. so sorry you lost Vow of Peace. Don't worry the undead don't stay dead for too long Varuna will be back with a vengence riding an adamantine Archdragon.
RavinRay 01-11-06, 06:51 AM	On behalf of my juggernaut and intellect devourer, I want to offer Slagger and Taibo my congratulations. As a parting shot, here's a shot of the devourer's fanbase: http://mclaren.frenzy.com/~dougmc/fark/mensa-intellect-devourer.jpg I did not make this up... I found it at http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1074212. See you all at the dragon competition!
Wellard Fannarsson 01-11-06, 11:20 AM	So the gimmick monster wins and this time next year it'll be Taibo who(unless he gets a contract with Simon Cowell)
Slagger the Chuul 01-11-06, 12:11 PM	I have to say that I'm a bit disappointed some people can't take an ethereal filcher monk seriously (granted, the name "Taibo" was just poking some fun); may you find some new and unusual combination that does suit your taste. If you really find the idea Taibo too silly, how could you handle the world's largest piece of divinely-chosen beef jerky? :P Happily, votes matter more than bad sports, and the competition was full of great competitors, Varuna included. Umm Undead are immune to nonletal damage, and Lethal damage is lethal damage. so sorry you lost Vow of Peace. Just check your copy of the Book of Exalted Deeds; only living creatures are covered. Here's the relevant part from the start of the Vow of Peace's "Special" section. To fulfill your vow, you must not cause harm to any living creature (constructs and undead are not included in this prohibition).
I_Cant_Think_Of_A_Name 01-11-06, 01:51 PM	I admit defeat I tried everything in my might to stop Taibo winning, so congratulations Slagger and Taibo :fight!: Salute :fight!:
Fanatic-Templar 01-11-06, 04:32 PM	Ah well. At least it wasn't the Warforged Titan. Though I'd like to note that Sir Zeev still had the fondest departure on this thread.
Athanatos 01-11-06, 06:14 PM	If you really find the idea Taibo too silly, how could you handle the world's largest piece of divinely-chosen beef jerky? :P By this logic, we can call ANYTHING silly. Planetars? They're silly bald men who obviously fell into buckets of green paint! Balors? Haha, look at those silly pants! Dragons? Big silly lizards with indigestion!
Slagger the Chuul 01-12-06, 07:44 AM	By this logic, we can call ANYTHING silly. Planetars? They're silly bald men who obviously fell into buckets of green paint! Balors? Haha, look at those silly pants! Dragons? Big silly lizards with indigestion! That's right. If we only look at how something can seem silly, rather than how it can be sensible, the entire game becomes a farce.
speeblefreak 03-23-06, 11:45 PM	Just wondering: is this thread going to be closed or un-stickied at some point?
crimsonwolf 02-24-07, 02:16 PM	why the hell is this still stickied?
RavinRay 02-24-07, 09:43 PM	For Slagger's and Taibo's bragging rights to be forever memorialized on every darned plane out there in the Great Wheel! :rofl:
speeblefreak 03-03-07, 05:38 PM	Seriously, another Creature Competition has come, gone, and been closed. I wish I had a justifiable reason to report this thread.