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| D_and_Dude04-28-07, 06:23 PM | When a creature has a certain type of traits e.g. undead traits, vermin traits, etc... does that mean that all creatures with those traits have special abilities e.g. all creatures with vermin traits immune to fire. Or does this just mean that spells that say only effect undead effect creatures with undead traits??? Thanks in advance |
| Return of the Flumph04-28-07, 06:39 PM | Both. Being a member of a given creature type both dictates a monster's hit die type, skill points, and certain other traits, and determines how type-specific spells affect it. For example, a creature with the Outsider type always has eight sided hit dice, gains six skill points per hit die, has a full attack bonus and good Fortitude and Will saves, and is always immune to mind control effects. A Magical Beast always has low light vision, ten sided hit dice, and good Reflex and Fortitude saves. Outsiders take extra damage from outsider bane weapons and spells that specifically target outsiders, Magical beasts are the same way with effects that focus on them. |
| D_and_Dude04-28-07, 06:44 PM | Both. Being a member of a given creature type both dictates a monster's hit die type, skill points, and certain other traits, and determines how type-specific spells affect it. For example, a creature with the Outsider type always has eight sided hit dice, gains six skill points per hit die, has a full attack bonus and good Fortitude and Will saves, and is always immune to mind control effects. A Magical Beast always has low light vision, ten sided hit dice, and good Reflex and Fortitude saves. Outsiders take extra damage from outsider bane weapons and spells that specifically target outsiders, Magical beasts are the same way with effects that focus on them. Where do they show these trait things though? |
| Return of the Flumph04-28-07, 07:41 PM | Where do they show these trait things though? In the index of the Monster Manual. |
| Morwen04-28-07, 07:58 PM | You can also see http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/typesSubtypes.htm for type/subtype information. |
| runestar04-28-07, 11:46 PM | Some adjudication may be in order though. For example, oozes and vermin are immune to mindaffecting effects exactly because they have no int score. If they somehow obtained an int score, it might not be unfair to rule that they lose aforementioned immunity, although that is not documented anywhere in the MM. I am still contemplating the implications of a golem or undead accessing a con score though.:P It seems odd if a mage shapechanged into a lemure and could benefit from the "mindless" extraordinary property...:D |
| D_and_Dude04-29-07, 08:31 AM | ok thanks guys!:D |
| SpoonyBard04-29-07, 10:00 PM | Some adjudication may be in order though. For example, oozes and vermin are immune to mindaffecting effects exactly because they have no int score. If they somehow obtained an int score, it might not be unfair to rule that they lose aforementioned immunity, although that is not documented anywhere in the MM. I am still contemplating the implications of a golem or undead accessing a con score though.:P It seems odd if a mage shapechanged into a lemure and could benefit from the "mindless" extraordinary property...:D Doesn't Shapechange alter your mental stats, too, though? |
| runestar04-29-07, 10:39 PM | Doesn't Shapechange alter your mental stats, too, though? Not to my knowledge. PAO does though.:) |