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scott644 12-12-03, 07:58 PM	I just figured we'd have fun with a thread for some of the more insane cross-concepts involving dragons. I'll start... My cross-concept involves the Book of Exalted Deeds. Basically, a true dragon that started out early with the Vow of Poverty feat. Unlikely? Absolutely. Impossible? No. There's a true dragon prestige class where the dragon effectively sacrifices their hoarde already (The Dragon Ascendent), and provides great power. The vow of poverty provides great power as well, but at earlier levels. The possibilities boggle the mind. Any other crazy concepts?
ieattrollsforbreakfast 12-13-03, 06:18 AM	I created a gold dragon ascetic (VoP) for an online game a while back. Unfortunately it never started so I never got to play him :( ah well.
scott644 12-15-03, 05:39 PM	Never started - that bites. And a gold dragon ascetic? That's about scary. Then again, a dragon with a vow of poervty is kinda scary too. ;)
ieattrollsforbreakfast 12-17-03, 02:15 PM	I decided to post him, just to give some life to the thread :D Anyway, its in PC format rather than monster format. VoP is for a 17th level character, since that is the starting gold we were given. So basically, it isnt a cross-concept anymore....its a reality! (ish) Kerrechardélion (Care*retch*ard*ay*lee*on) Male Mature Adult Gold Dragon Alignment Lawful Good Str 41 ...pts 10 Dex 14 ...pts 2 Con 32 ...pts 6 Int 22 ...pts 4 Wis 22 ...pts 4 Cha 27 ...pts 6 Hit Points 26d12 + 286 226 + 221 = 447 AC 46, Touch 8, Flat 44 (-2 Size, +27 natural, +2 def, +9 Exalted, +2 dex) Init +2 BAB +26, Grap +49 Speed 60ft, Fly 200ft (poor), swim 60ft Fort +29, Ref +20, Will +24 +41 Melee, Bite, 4d6+19, 20/x2 (15ft reach) +39 Melee, 2 Claws, 2d6+11, 20/x2 (10ft reach) +39 Melee, 2 Wings, 1d8+11, 20/x2 (10ft reach) +39 Melee, Tail Slap, 2d8+26, 20/x2 (10ft reach) (+1 damage vs evil, +1d4 vs evil outsiders and undead) Huge, 18'9" tall, 31'2" long, 12 tons wt, 347 yrs old Speaks Common, Draconic, Celestial, Elven, Dwarf, Giant, Gnome, Halfling, Orc, Infernal, Abyssal, Undercommon Skills: +35 Heal (29) +37 Disguise (29) +37 Diplomacy (29) +31 Escape Artist (29) +44 Swim (29) +35 Knowledge (Arcana) (29) +35 Sense Motive (29) +40 Concentration (29) +35 Spellcraft (29) +35 Search (29) +35 Listen (29) +35 Spot (29) Feats -Sacred Vow -Vow of Poverty -Flyby Attack -Hover -Multiattack -Wingover -Improved Natural Attack (Bite) -Great Flyby Attack -Power Attack Bonus Exalted Feats (VoP): -Nimbus of Light -Holy Radiance -Stigmata -Sanctify Natural Attack -Touch of Golden Ice -Words of Creation -Exalted Spell Resistance -Servant of the Heavens -Vow of Obedience Gold Dragon Traits -Frightful Presence DC 28 -Fire breath weapon 14d10 DC 29 -DR 10/magic -Luck Bonus - turn a gem into a stone of good luck 1/day -Bless 3/day -Alternate Form -Fire Subtype -Water Breathing -SR 25 -Blindsense 60' -Keen Senses Vow of Poverty Abilities -9 Bonus exalted feats -Exalted AC bonus: +9 -Endure Elements: Immune to effects of Hot/Cold enviroment (-50 to 140F) -Exalted Strike: +4 enhancement on any weapons used by ascetic, also considered good-aligned damage to overcome DR. -(Greater) Sustenance: No food/drink required. Ascetic doesn't need to breathe. -Deflection : +2 defection bonus to AC -Resitance: +3 bonus to all saving throws -Ability Score enhancement: +6 to one, +4 to another, +2 to another -Natural Armour: +2 to natural armour -Mind Shielding: Immune to detect thoughts, discern lies and any detect alignment. -Damage Reduction: 5/evil -Energy Resistance: 5 to acid,cold,fire,sonic,electricity -Freedom of Movement -Regeneration: 1/level per hour Spells Per Day 6|6/6/6/4 0th- 8 Resitance, Detect Magic, Mage Hand, Message, Arcane Mark, Prestidigitation, Ghost Sound, Light 1st- 5 True Strike, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement, Shocking Grasp, Mage Armour 2nd- 4 See Invisibility, Bulls Strength, Detect Thoughts, Cure Moderate Wounds 3rd- 3 Dispel Magic, Fireball, Cure serious Wounds 4th- 2 Greater Invisibility, Wall of Fire
scott644 12-18-03, 09:06 AM	Nice stats! Where'd you come up with the level standard for the vow of poverty?
ieattrollsforbreakfast 12-18-03, 09:18 AM	It was set by the DM. Since mature dragons dont have listed ECL, and it would be far into epic if they did, the wealth of all players was set to 17th level. I dont know why 17th exactly though...
Waterless 12-18-03, 12:43 PM	Actually, it's funny you mention that... In my friends' recent campaign, I have a quarter-gold dragon Paladin (The rest of him is elf), mostly because the GM thought that half-dragons were too powerful, but also because he thought it would be funnier. Anyway... He decided to give me Detect Gems as one of my innate abilities, and coupled with Detect Evil, it makes for very interesting dialogue. GM: "You come upon the ogre's meager treasure horde..." Me: "I use detect gems and detect evil." GM: "Make your roll....okay, you detect both." Me: "Hark! Methinks mine snout hath detected an evil amethyst about!" GM: "....I hate you." But also, because, again, he thought it was funny, he's made it a requirement that my character keep a horde of treasure, going against pretty much all of the Paladin's tenents (in our campaign), and making my character a humorously hypocritical character... Me: "For justice!" Sorcerer: "And for gems, too, right?" Me: "....Yes, and for gems, too....*mumblemumble*..." :D Don't make me mention the quarter-fiend monk with a height complex that partiest with me...man, the arguments we have...
scott644 12-18-03, 03:54 PM	17th is cool. That's pretty close to max. And that thing about the evil amethysts and hoarding paladins! rofl!