Dealing With Advanced Monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dealing With Advanced Monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

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fishstick
12-27-05, 08:43 AM Can someone give me a hand in figuring out how to adjust monsters with class levels? If I have a 6th level minotaur cleric, what stats get changed and by how much? The MM is kinda confusing on this point.
StormCrow42
12-27-05, 11:22 AM A minotaur has 6 monstrous humanoid hit dice. Adding 6 cleric levels will make his total number of hit dice 12. Creatures get stat bumps every 4 hit dice/levels, so your creature would get 2 ability increases (one at 8 HD [cleric 2] and one at 12 HD [cleric 6]).

As a PC, he'd be the equivilant of a 14th level character (6 racial HD + 6 class HD + 2 LA)
fishstick
12-27-05, 12:03 PM Stormcrow, thanks for the help, your post is very clear in its understanding. I just wish it was that clear in the book :) Thanks again.
runestar
12-27-05, 10:00 PM Does the minotaur get elite npc stat array when he starts taking class lvs? Will this affect his cr? And are the cleric lvs counted as associated or non-associated class lvs?
Seraph of Babel
12-28-05, 03:15 AM A monster gets elite array if he takes a level in a PC class (e.g. cleric). This itself does not increase its CR. I'd consider cleric as non-associated for minotaurs, since they can't cast cleric spells naturally. (While sorcerer will be associated for dragons...)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fishstick 12-27-05, 08:43 AM	Can someone give me a hand in figuring out how to adjust monsters with class levels? If I have a 6th level minotaur cleric, what stats get changed and by how much? The MM is kinda confusing on this point.
StormCrow42 12-27-05, 11:22 AM	A minotaur has 6 monstrous humanoid hit dice. Adding 6 cleric levels will make his total number of hit dice 12. Creatures get stat bumps every 4 hit dice/levels, so your creature would get 2 ability increases (one at 8 HD [cleric 2] and one at 12 HD [cleric 6]). As a PC, he'd be the equivilant of a 14th level character (6 racial HD + 6 class HD + 2 LA)
fishstick 12-27-05, 12:03 PM	Stormcrow, thanks for the help, your post is very clear in its understanding. I just wish it was that clear in the book :) Thanks again.
runestar 12-27-05, 10:00 PM	Does the minotaur get elite npc stat array when he starts taking class lvs? Will this affect his cr? And are the cleric lvs counted as associated or non-associated class lvs?
Seraph of Babel 12-28-05, 03:15 AM	A monster gets elite array if he takes a level in a PC class (e.g. cleric). This itself does not increase its CR. I'd consider cleric as non-associated for minotaurs, since they can't cast cleric spells naturally. (While sorcerer will be associated for dragons...)