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ChaosVirus 05-08-06, 11:03 AM	I know little about dragolichs, but I was wondering can they achieve, and have they achieved demilich status? If so how powerfull would one be? Especially if it was a collosal red dragon.
Golem011 05-08-06, 11:05 AM	Hmm... I think it's humanoids only (although I may be wrong) however, if you removed this restriction.. That'd be one nasty epic dragon. One VERY nasty epic dragon.
runestar 05-08-06, 01:34 PM	The demilich template can be added to any lich...if the dracolich template counts as 1, then yes, a dragon can be made into one... :eek: And the end result is not pretty... Least of all would be the ridiculous dc on its trap the soul ability... Lets see...a great wyrm red dragon dracolich demilich...that's cr34...trap the soul base dc of 64...and that's just the icing on the cake...sounds very scary indeed...
Esponer 05-08-06, 01:52 PM	Offhand, I think I do remember this sort of working, depending on exactly how you interpret it. Interestingly, I think that it even applied to the archliches (good liches) - they seem to be able to qualify for demilich, although I read somewhere that they're not meant to be able to.
Golem011 05-08-06, 02:33 PM	Argh... an enormous dracolich skull...
ChaosVirus 05-08-06, 05:52 PM	u know what we must do now O.O....make it XD
runestar 05-09-06, 12:44 AM	A demilich requires at least 21 lvs of sorc, so any dragon must be epic(as per the epic progression rules for dragons), but yeah, that's one major beastie... All that's left now is for someone with too much time on their hands to stat it out... :D
Ryuu_Tenshi 05-09-06, 12:05 PM	OH my god... 3.5 Dragotha's Lair anyone :D? (Only revised so it's not an idiotic death trap?)
zlatko 05-09-06, 05:52 PM	Please don't. It, of course, would make a really nasty monser but having only a head kinda kills the dragon flaver. Come on, head only?! Dragon?!
ChaosVirus 05-09-06, 06:07 PM	Meh it could still be a skeleton. also we could make a fake bit of flavour saying due to its immense power, it can project a image of itself when it was alive. and since dragons can turn humaniod it is possible.
BelRex 05-09-06, 07:18 PM	There is a version of Dragotha in the May issue of Dungeon. We could just add the demilich template to him and see what we got :P New CR of 33..would be different. (Of course, the printed Dragotha is only caster level 17, so you would need to get those 4 other caster levels from advancing him or adding class levels)
Kothardarastrix 05-10-06, 12:57 AM	As we speak I am creating the Demidracolich
Kothardarastrix 05-10-06, 05:03 AM	He is done! :evillaugh Anyways, I decided to use the Dragons head as it was his most damaging attack, thus preserving some of his former glory, I also decided that since it was a touch the Demiliches touch attack can be combined, so I did. Loexurathear Advanced Great Wyrm Red Demidracolich Huge Undead (Augmented Dragon, Fire) Hit Dice: 52d12 (338). Initiative: +6. Speed: fly 200 ft. (perfect). Armor Class: 113 (-2 size, +51 natural, +52 insight, +2 dex), touch 10, flat-footed 113. Base Attack/Grapple: +52/+133. Attack: Bite +125 melee (6d6+23, plus 1d6 cold plus 10d6+20) or Touch Attack +143 (10d6+20) Full Attack: Bite +125 or Touch Attack +143 Space/Reach: 15 ft./10 ft. Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Crush, Frightful Presence, Paralyzing Gaze, Paralyzing Touch, Spell-like Abilities, Spells, Trap the Soul. Special Qualities: Blindsense 60 ft., Darkvision 120 ft., DR 30/-, Fast Healing 3; Immunity to Cold, Electricity, Fire, sleep, polymorph, mind-affecting attacks, and paralysis; Invulnerability, Low-light Vision, Phylactery Transference; Acid and Sonic Resistance 20; Spell-like Abilities, Spells, SR 45, Turn Resistance 20, Undead Traits. Saves: Fort +22, Ref +24, Will +41 Abilities: Str 56, Dex 14, Con -, Int 44, Wis 44, Cha 46 Skills: Appraise +72, Bluff +73, Concentration +55, Diplomacy +73, Escape Artist +57, Intimidate +73, Jump +78, Knowledge (Arcana) +72, Knowledge (Geography) +72, Knowledge (History) +72, Knowledge (Religion) +72, Listen +87, Search +72, Sense Motive +87, Spellcraft +64.5, Spot +87, Swim +53.5, Use Magic Device +73. Feats: Alertness, Automatic Quicken Spell, Automatic Silent Spell, Automatic Still Spell, Awaken Frightful Prescence, Awaken Spell Resistance, Blinding Speed, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Clinging Breath, Combat Casting, Epic Spellcasting, Fast Healing, Flyby Attack, Improved Initiative, Improved Multiattack, Improved Sunder, Multiattack, Power Attack, Tenacious Magic. Environment: Warm Mountains Organization: Solitary or Consistory (One and 3-6 Liches or Dracoliches) Challenge Rating: 43 Treasure: Triple Standard Alignment: Chaotic Evil Breath Weapon (Su): 80 ft. Cone, damage 32d10 fire, Reflex DC 54 half. Crush (Ex): Area 15 ft. by 15 ft.; Medium or smaller opponents take 2d8+34 points of bludgeoning damage plus 1d6 cold, and must succeed on a DC 54 Reflex save, or be pinned; grapple bonus +79. Frightful Presence (Ex): 480-ft. radius, HD 51, Will DC 54 negates. Paralyzing Gaze (Su): 40 ft Range, paralysis 2d6 rounds, Fort DC 54 immunity. Paralyzing Touch (Su): Attacks cause 2d6 rounds of paralysis, Fort DC 54 temporary immunity. Spell-Like Abilities: At will- alter self, astral projection, create greater undead, create undead, death knell, enervation, greater dispelling, harm, summon monster I-IX, telekinesis, weird (DC 70); 12/day- locate object; 2/day- greater planar ally; 3/day- suggestion; 1/day- discern location, find the path, 1/3 days- control undead (CL 15). Caster Level 27th; save DC 27 + spell level. Spells: As 27th level Sorceror. Spells Known (6/9/9/9/9/8/8/8/8/7; save DC 28 + spell level): 0- acid splash, arcane mark, detect magic, disrupt undead, mending, open/close, prestidigitation, ray of frost, read magic; 1st- burning hands, chill touch, magic missile, protection from good, protection from law; 2nd- command undead, desecrate, produce flame, scorching ray, shatter; 3rd- fireball, magic circle against good, magic circle against law, resist energy; 4th- animate dead, chaos hammer, unholy blight, wall of fire; 5th- dispel good, dispel law, fire shield, wall of force; 6th- circle of death, create undead, disintegrate; 7th- blasphemy, control undead, firestorm; 8th-, horrid wilting, incendiary cloud; 9th- summon monster ix, wail of the banshee, wish. Trap the Soul (Su): 300 ft, lose soul, Fort DC 64 four negative levels.
Atirakis 05-10-06, 06:53 AM	you forgot that a demi lich no longer has a body therefor cannot perform tail sweeps and such.
runestar 05-10-06, 08:28 AM	Your ac should be +51 natural, +52 insight, rather than +105 natural. Nicely done overall, haven't really gone into nitpicking mode yet... :P ...all's that really left now is to give it eq... :)
ChaosVirus 05-10-06, 08:35 AM	Yeah but since demidracoiches have not appeared before, the flavour can be twisted a bit to incorperate a body of sorts. Definatley looks like cool stats though =)
runestar 05-10-06, 10:01 AM	Maybe allow it to use a negative energy touch attack equal to its number of attacks, like the silverwraith from COTSQ. Fear improved rapidstrike... :D
Golem011 05-10-06, 10:02 AM	Muaha... muaha... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *Begins designing an enormous cavern to put it in, makes lots of skelly dragon servants (skelly great wyrms... mmmhmm...) and sends his nastily epic PCs in.*
Draegun Fury 05-10-06, 10:43 AM	Well it definately looks impressive. Immune to all magic and supernatural effects. And an AC higher than any 43rd level character has a right to hit. And that's BEFORE the beast dons all its magic items, say 10 +5 everdancing defending daggers for another 50 AC ? Or something to incorperate its body so that even if you use the Natural 20 hits rule then there is a 50% miss chance :) the possibilties are virtually limitless, but one thing's end you can definately see is that of any PC that tries to cross swords with this beast. Cheers.
Kothardarastrix 05-10-06, 10:57 AM	Looking back now, I remember thinking when seeing his HP drop from like 1130 or so to 338, "Dracolich so isn't worth it.", but after seeing what happens when you become a Demidracolich I see that it is pretty sweet, though I'd still choose Ascendant Dragon (I get to keep my body and my extra attacks!). Also don't forget that he gets the benefits of magic items (Rings, Bracers, Circlets and such) if they are close enough to his phylactery
concerro 05-10-06, 10:57 AM	Offhand, I think I do remember this sort of working, depending on exactly how you interpret it. Interestingly, I think that it even applied to the archliches (good liches) - they seem to be able to qualify for demilich, although I read somewhere that they're not meant to be able to. what book can I find an archlich?
Atirakis 05-10-06, 05:29 PM	No you cant make exceptions for the Demi DracoLich once a lich (of any kind) becomes a DemiLich he no longer has a need for his body. Period.
Kothardarastrix 05-10-06, 06:13 PM	Actually if you look I did indeed remove it from Special Attacks, I forgot about it when I erased the Special Attacks Description, Crush is left because the Demidracolich is still a TRUE Dragon, and crush is usable by huge dragons, bite is left at the Colossal+ damage listing because he IS a Colossal+ Dragons head
runestar 05-10-06, 10:56 PM	Are you using the ELH or SRD version of the demilich?
Kothardarastrix 05-11-06, 07:17 AM	ELH... I didn't feel bothered to go with the SRD