Demons, Devils, and Celestials [Archive] - Wizards Community

Demons, Devils, and Celestials [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Black Jack Davey
08-05-04, 02:37 PM Does anyone know of a place I can find more information on demons, devils, celestials, and other simialr beings?

Stats would be very helpful (particularly stats for lower-level beings) but any other information would also be of use. I would greatly appreciate any help here.

I'm mostly looking for online resources, but if there are any books that would be particularly useful I would hear of them as well.

Thanks.
Shemeska the Marauder
08-05-04, 02:53 PM 3e resources: MM, MMII, Fiend Folio, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exalted Deeds.

Manual of the Planes - for the most detail.

2e / Planescape material (which is what most of the 3e material is but a pale reflection of anyways):

'Faces of Evil: The Fiends' - The definative source of fiends in DnD. One of the single best books ever printed for DnD in any edition, hands down.

'Hellbound: The Blood War' - details on the Blood War between the 3 main fiend races and how the war affects every other plane in the multiverse, includes how the celestials regard the war and are involved in it

Planescape Monstrous Compendium I and II : very very good detail on the 3 main fiend races and the 2e stats (interesting to compare them with the 3e stats. Some made the conversion well, others got nerfed, others got boosted).

Planes of Law, Planes of Chaos, Planes of Conflict box sets - the seminal resources on the individual planes that harbor the fiends and celestials. 99% of the 3e material in the MotP is based on the material herein, in some cases directly quoted.
Black Jack Davey
08-05-04, 02:57 PM I do have the Monster Manual and the Manual of the Planes. I think they will both be of help.

How useful is the Fiend Folio, overall?

Does anyone know any online sources? Maybe even player-made websites?
Shemeska the Marauder
08-05-04, 03:29 PM Originally posted by Black Jack Davey

How useful is the Fiend Folio, overall?

Does anyone know any online sources? Maybe even player-made websites?

It's an alright book, hit or miss in my opinion. The Yugoloths therein were pretty decent, but the art for the Rilmani was a travesty, and they only included 3 of the Rilmani subtypes, leaving out Argenach, Plumach and Abiormach. I'm glad I got the book though, that gripe notwithstanding.

Online sources:

The Mimir (http://www.mimir.net/main.shtml) - old school Planescape and some of the best fan created stuff out there.

There's also material on Planewalker (http://www.planewalker.com) though at the moment we're mostly concentrating on updating the setting to 3e before we work on much else. At the moment we've got the factions, feats, and Sigil updated and posted. PlHB Sigil = a couple pages; Planewalker's Sigil = 70 odd pages, originally close to 100 before trimming it down. ;)
Black Jack Davey
08-05-04, 03:33 PM Sigil?
Shemeska the Marauder
08-05-04, 04:12 PM Originally posted by Black Jack Davey
Sigil?

Sigil, The City of Doors, center of the Outer Planes. A city built on the inner surface of a massive ring floating above the Infinite Spire in the Outlands, plane of true neutrality. Inside Sigil, any bound space can function as a portal to potentially any place in the planes if only you have the right gate key to activate it.

Sigil is mentioned in the 3e MotP and was the centerpiece for the 2e Planescape setting that gave most of the flavor and development to the core planes.
BOZ
08-05-04, 05:46 PM we have most (if not all) of the missing celestials, fiends, and rilmani at the Creature Catalog: http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/index.php
Black Jack Davey
08-06-04, 01:15 AM Creature Catalog! Of course! I knew I missing something obvious. I've been there in the past, but not for a while. As I remember, it was a very useful site. I think that's where I discovered giant space hamsters.

Thanks for the help.
BOZ
08-06-04, 01:37 AM LOL we still have the hamsters. :D
Black Jack Davey
08-06-04, 01:55 PM How long before more of the creatures there are upgraded to 3.5? I know the 3.0 would work just fine, but 3.5 versions would be easier, since that's what I play. And are there any plans to allow for easier search of the site in the future?
BOZ
08-06-04, 06:02 PM it's been a slow process... but we are working on it. :) i've been focusing more on new conversions, but the upgrade effort has been fairly constant.
Black Jack Davey
08-06-04, 06:19 PM That's good to hear. I'm also glad that both the 3.0 and 3.5 versions are still available.
BOZ
08-07-04, 02:42 PM we'll be keeping both versions up there, for those who prefer one or the other, but anything new we do will be 3.5. most of the stuff you were looking for above is 3.5 :)
Qube
08-07-04, 03:20 PM i like the d20 book of fiends I (the legions of hell) and II (armys of the abyss)
Black Jack Davey
08-08-04, 12:20 AM I just bought Legions of Hell. I like it a lot. I just need to find myself a copy of Armies of the Abyss now.
Black Jack Davey
08-08-04, 03:47 PM Thanks, everyone for the help. I'm going to start making some creatures of my own now.
Freefall
08-08-04, 08:09 PM Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss are both included in the one-volume "Book of Fiends", which also includes Hordes of Gehenna (lots of Daemons) and some excerpts from the Unholy Warrior's Handbook (basically a class that is similar to the Blackguard, except highly customizable and laid out as a basic class instead of a prestige class).

Oh, and both the Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss sections have a couple extra critters in there, so even if you already have those books, there are some new things in there for you.

It's also made for 3.5, although this basically just means that the DR and maybe some of the feats are changed. For the most part, the stats of the critters are the same as before, except for some of the CRs being altered a bit (like Iblis, who is now CR 40, although he really didn't get a power boost; they might have just followed the guidelines more strictly, i.e. taking a solar, +1 CR per 2 HD, +1 CR for huge size, +2 for fallen angel, etc).
Black Jack Davey
08-08-04, 08:19 PM Yeah, I know about that. $35, though. Not worth it to me. I'm mostly interested in the devils now.
Dackad
08-08-04, 10:44 PM Check the links in my sig. ;)
Gadodel
08-08-04, 10:46 PM Lots of nice linkys..
Anorien Ssirinthil
08-09-04, 10:42 AM Do outsider magic weapons such as the celestials greatsword disappear when they are killed?

2E was like this but im not sure about 3.5E

someone help me out.

thanks
Dackad
08-09-04, 04:24 PM Originally posted by Anorien Ssirinthil
Do outsider magic weapons such as the celestials greatsword disappear when they are killed?

2E was like this but im not sure about 3.5E

someone help me out.

thanks
Only if it specifically says so, otherwise no.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Black Jack Davey 08-05-04, 02:37 PM	Does anyone know of a place I can find more information on demons, devils, celestials, and other simialr beings? Stats would be very helpful (particularly stats for lower-level beings) but any other information would also be of use. I would greatly appreciate any help here. I'm mostly looking for online resources, but if there are any books that would be particularly useful I would hear of them as well. Thanks.
Shemeska the Marauder 08-05-04, 02:53 PM	3e resources: MM, MMII, Fiend Folio, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exalted Deeds. Manual of the Planes - for the most detail. 2e / Planescape material (which is what most of the 3e material is but a pale reflection of anyways): 'Faces of Evil: The Fiends' - The definative source of fiends in DnD. One of the single best books ever printed for DnD in any edition, hands down. 'Hellbound: The Blood War' - details on the Blood War between the 3 main fiend races and how the war affects every other plane in the multiverse, includes how the celestials regard the war and are involved in it Planescape Monstrous Compendium I and II : very very good detail on the 3 main fiend races and the 2e stats (interesting to compare them with the 3e stats. Some made the conversion well, others got nerfed, others got boosted). Planes of Law, Planes of Chaos, Planes of Conflict box sets - the seminal resources on the individual planes that harbor the fiends and celestials. 99% of the 3e material in the MotP is based on the material herein, in some cases directly quoted.
Black Jack Davey 08-05-04, 02:57 PM	I do have the Monster Manual and the Manual of the Planes. I think they will both be of help. How useful is the Fiend Folio, overall? Does anyone know any online sources? Maybe even player-made websites?
Shemeska the Marauder 08-05-04, 03:29 PM	Originally posted by Black Jack Davey How useful is the Fiend Folio, overall? Does anyone know any online sources? Maybe even player-made websites? It's an alright book, hit or miss in my opinion. The Yugoloths therein were pretty decent, but the art for the Rilmani was a travesty, and they only included 3 of the Rilmani subtypes, leaving out Argenach, Plumach and Abiormach. I'm glad I got the book though, that gripe notwithstanding. Online sources: The Mimir (http://www.mimir.net/main.shtml) - old school Planescape and some of the best fan created stuff out there. There's also material on Planewalker (http://www.planewalker.com) though at the moment we're mostly concentrating on updating the setting to 3e before we work on much else. At the moment we've got the factions, feats, and Sigil updated and posted. PlHB Sigil = a couple pages; Planewalker's Sigil = 70 odd pages, originally close to 100 before trimming it down. ;)
Black Jack Davey 08-05-04, 03:33 PM	Sigil?
Shemeska the Marauder 08-05-04, 04:12 PM	Originally posted by Black Jack Davey Sigil? Sigil, The City of Doors, center of the Outer Planes. A city built on the inner surface of a massive ring floating above the Infinite Spire in the Outlands, plane of true neutrality. Inside Sigil, any bound space can function as a portal to potentially any place in the planes if only you have the right gate key to activate it. Sigil is mentioned in the 3e MotP and was the centerpiece for the 2e Planescape setting that gave most of the flavor and development to the core planes.
BOZ 08-05-04, 05:46 PM	we have most (if not all) of the missing celestials, fiends, and rilmani at the Creature Catalog: http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/index.php
Black Jack Davey 08-06-04, 01:15 AM	Creature Catalog! Of course! I knew I missing something obvious. I've been there in the past, but not for a while. As I remember, it was a very useful site. I think that's where I discovered giant space hamsters. Thanks for the help.
BOZ 08-06-04, 01:37 AM	LOL we still have the hamsters. :D
Black Jack Davey 08-06-04, 01:55 PM	How long before more of the creatures there are upgraded to 3.5? I know the 3.0 would work just fine, but 3.5 versions would be easier, since that's what I play. And are there any plans to allow for easier search of the site in the future?
BOZ 08-06-04, 06:02 PM	it's been a slow process... but we are working on it. :) i've been focusing more on new conversions, but the upgrade effort has been fairly constant.
Black Jack Davey 08-06-04, 06:19 PM	That's good to hear. I'm also glad that both the 3.0 and 3.5 versions are still available.
BOZ 08-07-04, 02:42 PM	we'll be keeping both versions up there, for those who prefer one or the other, but anything new we do will be 3.5. most of the stuff you were looking for above is 3.5 :)
Qube 08-07-04, 03:20 PM	i like the d20 book of fiends I (the legions of hell) and II (armys of the abyss)
Black Jack Davey 08-08-04, 12:20 AM	I just bought Legions of Hell. I like it a lot. I just need to find myself a copy of Armies of the Abyss now.
Black Jack Davey 08-08-04, 03:47 PM	Thanks, everyone for the help. I'm going to start making some creatures of my own now.
Freefall 08-08-04, 08:09 PM	Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss are both included in the one-volume "Book of Fiends", which also includes Hordes of Gehenna (lots of Daemons) and some excerpts from the Unholy Warrior's Handbook (basically a class that is similar to the Blackguard, except highly customizable and laid out as a basic class instead of a prestige class). Oh, and both the Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss sections have a couple extra critters in there, so even if you already have those books, there are some new things in there for you. It's also made for 3.5, although this basically just means that the DR and maybe some of the feats are changed. For the most part, the stats of the critters are the same as before, except for some of the CRs being altered a bit (like Iblis, who is now CR 40, although he really didn't get a power boost; they might have just followed the guidelines more strictly, i.e. taking a solar, +1 CR per 2 HD, +1 CR for huge size, +2 for fallen angel, etc).
Black Jack Davey 08-08-04, 08:19 PM	Yeah, I know about that. $35, though. Not worth it to me. I'm mostly interested in the devils now.
Dackad 08-08-04, 10:44 PM	Check the links in my sig. ;)
Gadodel 08-08-04, 10:46 PM	Lots of nice linkys..
Anorien Ssirinthil 08-09-04, 10:42 AM	Do outsider magic weapons such as the celestials greatsword disappear when they are killed? 2E was like this but im not sure about 3.5E someone help me out. thanks
Dackad 08-09-04, 04:24 PM	Originally posted by Anorien Ssirinthil Do outsider magic weapons such as the celestials greatsword disappear when they are killed? 2E was like this but im not sure about 3.5E someone help me out. thanks Only if it specifically says so, otherwise no.