Dire Template . . . . ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dire Template . . . . ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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tarsia
12-26-05, 06:14 PM Is there such a thing as a dire template? Or even pattern to how they arrive at a dire creature?
warok
12-26-05, 06:23 PM no, unless you go into 3rd party material

nercomancer games tomb of horrors 1 had a dire template
that book is 3.0 and 3rd party though
Tetsubo
12-27-05, 09:04 AM Is there such a thing as a dire template? Or even pattern to how they arrive at a dire creature?

Contact me privately...
Silverthumb128
12-27-05, 11:04 AM http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22

Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one.
tarsia
12-27-05, 12:52 PM http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22

Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one.

I have see the light!

. . . or the link at least.

Thanks.
fawr
12-27-05, 11:41 PM A dire animal is just the normal animal with more extra HD than normally allowed. Then they look at the CR and do a ballpark check to make sure that nothing silly is happening.

But basically it is an animal with extra HD.
Ozymandias V.
12-28-05, 09:54 PM A dire animal is just the normal animal with more extra HD than normally allowed. Then they look at the CR and do a ballpark check to make sure that nothing silly is happening.

But basically it is an animal with extra HD.

No. It's an animal with more HD, usually better armor, higher STR/CON/etc. It is not just an advanced animal. =P
Pliskit
12-29-05, 01:25 AM I took a quick peak at the Dire template, and it may work for some but I think it's nonsense.
Take a look at the Brown Bear (6HD) / Dire Bear (12HD): an upgrade of +6HD.
Then check the Tiger (6HD) / Dire Tiger (16HD): an upgrade of +10HD.

Now you want me to use a Dire template with the first line reading "Hit Dice increase by +2HD"?

There is no template for Dire animals, there isn't even a rule of thumb to create one. Although the basic mechanics of an animal and its Dire equivalent are similar, the stats have no relation. Make something nice up.
Wolf72
12-29-05, 10:13 AM http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22

Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one.

well, unless you're an ENworld member ;) ... I feel your pain

There is no template for Dire animals, there isn't even a rule of thumb to create one. Although the basic mechanics of an animal and its Dire equivalent are similar, the stats have no relation. Make something nice up.

sort of ... the Tome of Horror's version attempts to make a template where one did not previously exist. You do have a good point, officially there isn't one ... go 3rd party (I prefer the ToH's template) or make up your own.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
tarsia 12-26-05, 06:14 PM	Is there such a thing as a dire template? Or even pattern to how they arrive at a dire creature?
warok 12-26-05, 06:23 PM	no, unless you go into 3rd party material nercomancer games tomb of horrors 1 had a dire template that book is 3.0 and 3rd party though
Tetsubo 12-27-05, 09:04 AM	Is there such a thing as a dire template? Or even pattern to how they arrive at a dire creature? Contact me privately...
Silverthumb128 12-27-05, 11:04 AM	http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22 Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one.
tarsia 12-27-05, 12:52 PM	http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22 Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one. I have see the light! . . . or the link at least. Thanks.
fawr 12-27-05, 11:41 PM	A dire animal is just the normal animal with more extra HD than normally allowed. Then they look at the CR and do a ballpark check to make sure that nothing silly is happening. But basically it is an animal with extra HD.
Ozymandias V. 12-28-05, 09:54 PM	A dire animal is just the normal animal with more extra HD than normally allowed. Then they look at the CR and do a ballpark check to make sure that nothing silly is happening. But basically it is an animal with extra HD. No. It's an animal with more HD, usually better armor, higher STR/CON/etc. It is not just an advanced animal. =P
Pliskit 12-29-05, 01:25 AM	I took a quick peak at the Dire template, and it may work for some but I think it's nonsense. Take a look at the Brown Bear (6HD) / Dire Bear (12HD): an upgrade of +6HD. Then check the Tiger (6HD) / Dire Tiger (16HD): an upgrade of +10HD. Now you want me to use a Dire template with the first line reading "Hit Dice increase by +2HD"? There is no template for Dire animals, there isn't even a rule of thumb to create one. Although the basic mechanics of an animal and its Dire equivalent are similar, the stats have no relation. Make something nice up.
Wolf72 12-29-05, 10:13 AM	http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22 Nobody seems to see it, no matter how often I post it here, but there's one. well, unless you're an ENworld member ;) ... I feel your pain There is no template for Dire animals, there isn't even a rule of thumb to create one. Although the basic mechanics of an animal and its Dire equivalent are similar, the stats have no relation. Make something nice up. sort of ... the Tome of Horror's version attempts to make a template where one did not previously exist. You do have a good point, officially there isn't one ... go 3rd party (I prefer the ToH's template) or make up your own.