DnD Slivers [Archive] - Wizards Community

DnD Slivers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Snommelp
12-02-03, 11:56 PM I've decided that I want to try to bring slivers into my DnD game, and I already have a way to bring them in. For those of you that don't play M:tG, slivers are craetures that grant each other abilities. For example, a Plated Sliver boosts the defense of all slivers.
I need your help for the stats of the slivers, and also for some transitional things. Certain slivers will translate easily, like Plated Sliver, which would either boost AC or HP. Some others, though, will be tricky; especially things like Synapse Sliver. Thanks in advance for your help!
DaemeonBlack
12-03-03, 06:13 PM For those not in the know Slivers are a creature from Magic the Gathering. They where breed on an enclosed demi-plane built buy a Planeswalker as the staging ground for invading the Prime Material in the games cosmology. The slivers come in different sub-species that have certain supernatural powers depending upon breed. The main thing about the slivers is they share their particular supernatural power with all other slivers in the area. Some slivers fly (Winged Sliver), so if they are around all other slivers fly as well. Some can blow themselves up into an acid bomb to damage enemies (Acidic Sliver), some are exceptionally fast (Heart Sliver) while others make them selves and all others neer by stronger (Muscle Sliver). They an artaficialy created species that is extremely adaptable to their environment.

I would say Synapse Sliver would have an opposite effect of taking spells from a struck caster (ruff translation of card advantage into D&D terms IMO). Something like every hit can strip 1d4 spell levels from the memory or daily spell alotment of a struck caster.

Other slivers such as Magma Sliver do not translate well at all while Toxin Sliver can provide them with a deadly contact poison coating their hides. Essence Sliver would provide them with a persentage of damage dealt to heal the Sliver, or maybe a straight +1d8 HP healed to self on every hit?

I would limit the magical sharing of abilities to slivers within 60 ft.
Hive Mind range 1 mile centered on Sliver Queen.
Outside of the Queens hive mind range they only can communicate telepathicaly within 60 ft (same as ability sharing).

Using D&D you open up a whole new world of Sliver possabilities as you can have slivers with the fire subtype that damage any close to them with a heat aura, slivers that are infused with negative energy, slivers that have a displacement ability like displacer beasts, etc.. the possabilities are limitless.

The only problem I see is how have the slivers not taken of the world? With their fast breeding rate, extreme abaptability and agressive nature what has stopped them? Or are they a brand new species to the world; either newly created or just landed here on a meteor or from another plane of existance?

Some food for thought.
Snommelp
12-03-03, 06:46 PM I was thinking more along the lines of a 100 foot radius for sliver powers. BTW, thanks for clarifying; after reading my post I can see I needed it.

As to why they haven't taken over, it's simple: they aren't on the Prime Material. In fact, they were created by a deity to protect his divine stronghold, and hardly ever leave it. The idea was that the deity was originally from this world, but got sucked across to the DnD world and discovered his powers. Being a gamer, the deity quicly started making familiar things, like slivers.
Mithral Icesilver
12-03-03, 06:48 PM Originally posted by Snommelp
I've decided that I want to try to bring slivers into my DnD game, and I already have a way to bring them in. For those of you that don't play M:tG, slivers are craetures that grant each other abilities. For example, a Plated Sliver boosts the defense of all slivers.
I need your help for the stats of the slivers, and also for some transitional things. Certain slivers will translate easily, like Plated Sliver, which would either boost AC or HP. Some others, though, will be tricky; especially things like Synapse Sliver. Thanks in advance for your help!

There's a thread on Slivers in D&D over at ENWorld.
Joe Gold
12-03-03, 07:09 PM And several threads on these boards, too.
Snommelp
12-03-03, 07:19 PM -
Snommelp
12-03-03, 07:32 PM Okay, I did a search and came up with quite a few. All but 3 were threads where someone misspelled silver. Of the three, one was this thread, one was reference to another thread, and the third was the one you were referring to. The thread itself had no stats for slivers, although it did provide me with this link (http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36933) to the ENWorld forum. In spite of this, I'd like to see what we here can come up with.

Edit: on second thought, that link really has everything anybody would need to make DnD Slivers. Let's just let this thread sink to the bottom then, shall we?
Darklyte64
12-03-03, 09:13 PM I've actually been in the process of creating slivers using the 3.5 rules. If you are interested, I'd be willing to post the statistics here. they are different from the ones posted on the ENBoard (I feel that slivers are more intelligent) but still not uber strong alone.

I could do it just like he did if you'd like. two slivers a day for however long it takes. Let me know :) I'll probably at least post the base sliver that I have.
Shadow Soul Mage
12-04-03, 06:40 AM Snommelp, convert some of the ones from the sliver making contest OK ;)
the_heart
12-04-03, 09:56 AM if anyone chose to post the slivers here, i for one would appreciate seeing them.

(due to some quirk of the screening program where i work, i can come onto these forums but not enworlds?!)
Primus, the One and Prime
12-04-03, 12:12 PM All but 3 were threads where someone misspelled silver.

Oh, the delicious IRONY! If you don't get it, well feel bad.
Snommelp
12-04-03, 11:11 PM Originally posted by Primus, the One and Prime
Oh, the delicious IRONY! If you don't get it, well feel bad.

Yeah, I get the irony. I mispelled "mispelled." I was tired when I wrote it, and I'm tired now, so I'm still not sure if it's spelled right.
Primus, the One and Prime
12-04-03, 11:14 PM No, you misspelled Sliver; you typed Silver.

That's the ironic part. I have no clue how to spell misspell, that looks right.
Vaalingrade Ashland
12-04-03, 11:22 PM Magma Sliver: all slivers gain the following ability: as a full round action, they can envoke a bardic music like ability, granting all slivers within 30 ft +1 to attack/ each sliver within 30 ft. lasts 1 round.
Snommelp
12-05-03, 12:09 AM Originally posted by Primus, the One and Prime
No, you misspelled Sliver; you typed Silver.

That's the ironic part. I have no clue how to spell misspell, that looks right.

Oh, that's what you meant. No, I meant silver, not sliver. Most of the threads in the search were about dragons.
Primus, the One and Prime
12-05-03, 12:15 AM oooooh, alright, my bad, now I'm a fool, lol.
Snommelp
12-05-03, 01:03 AM Originally posted by Shadow Soul Mage
Snommelp, convert some of the ones from the sliver making contest OK ;)

You know, I think I will. That is, once I get this massive amount of homework out of the way. That might take a while, so I might not start converting slivers until next week or the week after.

@Primus: no problem, we all make mistakes.

Snommelp, King of the Wyddles http://www.angelfire.com/moon/fallen_heart/Custom_Smileys/Requests/Wyddlefire_King.gif
Joe Gold
12-05-03, 02:33 AM Originally posted by Snommelp
Oh, that's what you meant. No, I meant silver, not sliver. Most of the threads in the search were about dragons.

Hmm, sliver dragon.

(not mispelled)
Snommelp
12-05-03, 09:22 AM Heehee... just wait until I make an attempt at a half-sliver template, Joe.

Snommelp, King of the Wyddles http://www.angelfire.com/moon/fallen_heart/Custom_Smileys/Requests/Wyddlefire_King.gif
Istirith
12-08-03, 06:16 PM I think this sounds like a really good idea.

I may even like using slivers that don't grant their abilities to others, just themselves.
green_yawgmoth
12-09-03, 03:07 AM How about this for sliver overlord:

"as a move-equivalent action, the overlord may summon a sliver to him. The sliver appears 1 round after activating this ability."

I don't know how you'd go about getting the gain control ability into DnD though.
Vaalingrade Ashland
12-09-03, 03:38 AM Gain control is like a greater dominate:

The target gets a will save at a -8 penalty vs Dominate.
Mithral Icesilver
12-14-03, 02:49 PM Originally posted by DaemeonBlack
... Other slivers such as Magma Sliver do not translate well at all ...

What are you talking about?
"All slivers within (insert range here) feet gain an attack bonus equal to the number of slivers within range. This means that a sliver entering range will cause the attack bonus given to both:
a. go up by one, and
b. be given to the new sliver as well; a sliver LEAVING range, however, will lose its bonus and cause the bonus to the others to drop by one."
It translates FINE!

PS: Yes, I do know you've already done a build for magma sliver, Vaalin. This is an alternate build to prevent the monster loosing game balance.
the_heart
12-16-03, 05:14 AM I can only get info on the older slivers. I have been thinking about this and will be creating 2 basic sliver forms at 2HD and 4HD (for the 1/1 and 2/2 respectively) and then template the specific slivers. Anyway, the main concern is translating the special abilities and I wanted to keep the abilities both simple and stackable for ease of use:
Talon: +2 initiative
Armour: +2 AC
Mnemonic: ?
Winged: Fly 30’, +10/winged sliver beyond 1st, +1 MC/3 winged slivers
Clot: fastheal2
Mindwhip: 1 point Int poison, DC +2 and damage +1 / mindwhip sliver beyond 1st
Heart: ?
Raging: +1 to hit +2 to damage
Muscle: +1 to hit +1 to AC
Horned: Mobility Feat, with +1 AC for each horned sliver beyond 1st
Crystalline: SR 20, +2 for each Crystalline sliver beyond 1st
Victual: +10 temporary HP
Spined: if attacked in melee, automatically deals 1d4 to attacker within 5’. +1/ additional spined sliver. +5’reach/5 spined slivers
Acidic: acid immunity, acid spit: 10’ ranged touch +1 to hit 1d6 damage(all three increase)
Hibernation: ?

some of the translations are rather liberal :D still have no good ideas for mnemonic, hibernation and heart.
the_heart
12-16-03, 05:19 AM Originally posted by green_yawgmoth
How about this for sliver overlord:

"as a move-equivalent action, the overlord may summon a sliver to him. The sliver appears 1 round after activating this ability."

I don't know how you'd go about getting the gain control ability into DnD though. sorry for the double post, but thought struck me, would this ability not work more like a summon spell than a dominate effect. maybe similar to demon/devil summon ability?
Darklyte64
12-17-03, 12:58 AM The sliver overlord Magic card lets you search your library for a sliver and also gain control of slivers. Thats why it has the summoning ability

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Snommelp 12-02-03, 11:56 PM	I've decided that I want to try to bring slivers into my DnD game, and I already have a way to bring them in. For those of you that don't play M:tG, slivers are craetures that grant each other abilities. For example, a Plated Sliver boosts the defense of all slivers. I need your help for the stats of the slivers, and also for some transitional things. Certain slivers will translate easily, like Plated Sliver, which would either boost AC or HP. Some others, though, will be tricky; especially things like Synapse Sliver. Thanks in advance for your help!
DaemeonBlack 12-03-03, 06:13 PM	For those not in the know Slivers are a creature from Magic the Gathering. They where breed on an enclosed demi-plane built buy a Planeswalker as the staging ground for invading the Prime Material in the games cosmology. The slivers come in different sub-species that have certain supernatural powers depending upon breed. The main thing about the slivers is they share their particular supernatural power with all other slivers in the area. Some slivers fly (Winged Sliver), so if they are around all other slivers fly as well. Some can blow themselves up into an acid bomb to damage enemies (Acidic Sliver), some are exceptionally fast (Heart Sliver) while others make them selves and all others neer by stronger (Muscle Sliver). They an artaficialy created species that is extremely adaptable to their environment. I would say Synapse Sliver would have an opposite effect of taking spells from a struck caster (ruff translation of card advantage into D&D terms IMO). Something like every hit can strip 1d4 spell levels from the memory or daily spell alotment of a struck caster. Other slivers such as Magma Sliver do not translate well at all while Toxin Sliver can provide them with a deadly contact poison coating their hides. Essence Sliver would provide them with a persentage of damage dealt to heal the Sliver, or maybe a straight +1d8 HP healed to self on every hit? I would limit the magical sharing of abilities to slivers within 60 ft. Hive Mind range 1 mile centered on Sliver Queen. Outside of the Queens hive mind range they only can communicate telepathicaly within 60 ft (same as ability sharing). Using D&D you open up a whole new world of Sliver possabilities as you can have slivers with the fire subtype that damage any close to them with a heat aura, slivers that are infused with negative energy, slivers that have a displacement ability like displacer beasts, etc.. the possabilities are limitless. The only problem I see is how have the slivers not taken of the world? With their fast breeding rate, extreme abaptability and agressive nature what has stopped them? Or are they a brand new species to the world; either newly created or just landed here on a meteor or from another plane of existance? Some food for thought.
Snommelp 12-03-03, 06:46 PM	I was thinking more along the lines of a 100 foot radius for sliver powers. BTW, thanks for clarifying; after reading my post I can see I needed it. As to why they haven't taken over, it's simple: they aren't on the Prime Material. In fact, they were created by a deity to protect his divine stronghold, and hardly ever leave it. The idea was that the deity was originally from this world, but got sucked across to the DnD world and discovered his powers. Being a gamer, the deity quicly started making familiar things, like slivers.
Mithral Icesilver 12-03-03, 06:48 PM	Originally posted by Snommelp I've decided that I want to try to bring slivers into my DnD game, and I already have a way to bring them in. For those of you that don't play M:tG, slivers are craetures that grant each other abilities. For example, a Plated Sliver boosts the defense of all slivers. I need your help for the stats of the slivers, and also for some transitional things. Certain slivers will translate easily, like Plated Sliver, which would either boost AC or HP. Some others, though, will be tricky; especially things like Synapse Sliver. Thanks in advance for your help! There's a thread on Slivers in D&D over at ENWorld.
Joe Gold 12-03-03, 07:09 PM	And several threads on these boards, too.
Snommelp 12-03-03, 07:19 PM	-
Snommelp 12-03-03, 07:32 PM	Okay, I did a search and came up with quite a few. All but 3 were threads where someone misspelled silver. Of the three, one was this thread, one was reference to another thread, and the third was the one you were referring to. The thread itself had no stats for slivers, although it did provide me with this link (http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36933) to the ENWorld forum. In spite of this, I'd like to see what we here can come up with. Edit: on second thought, that link really has everything anybody would need to make DnD Slivers. Let's just let this thread sink to the bottom then, shall we?
Darklyte64 12-03-03, 09:13 PM	I've actually been in the process of creating slivers using the 3.5 rules. If you are interested, I'd be willing to post the statistics here. they are different from the ones posted on the ENBoard (I feel that slivers are more intelligent) but still not uber strong alone. I could do it just like he did if you'd like. two slivers a day for however long it takes. Let me know :) I'll probably at least post the base sliver that I have.
Shadow Soul Mage 12-04-03, 06:40 AM	Snommelp, convert some of the ones from the sliver making contest OK ;)
the_heart 12-04-03, 09:56 AM	if anyone chose to post the slivers here, i for one would appreciate seeing them. (due to some quirk of the screening program where i work, i can come onto these forums but not enworlds?!)
Primus, the One and Prime 12-04-03, 12:12 PM	All but 3 were threads where someone misspelled silver. Oh, the delicious IRONY! If you don't get it, well feel bad.
Snommelp 12-04-03, 11:11 PM	Originally posted by Primus, the One and Prime Oh, the delicious IRONY! If you don't get it, well feel bad. Yeah, I get the irony. I mispelled "mispelled." I was tired when I wrote it, and I'm tired now, so I'm still not sure if it's spelled right.
Primus, the One and Prime 12-04-03, 11:14 PM	No, you misspelled Sliver; you typed Silver. That's the ironic part. I have no clue how to spell misspell, that looks right.
Vaalingrade Ashland 12-04-03, 11:22 PM	Magma Sliver: all slivers gain the following ability: as a full round action, they can envoke a bardic music like ability, granting all slivers within 30 ft +1 to attack/ each sliver within 30 ft. lasts 1 round.
Snommelp 12-05-03, 12:09 AM	Originally posted by Primus, the One and Prime No, you misspelled Sliver; you typed Silver. That's the ironic part. I have no clue how to spell misspell, that looks right. Oh, that's what you meant. No, I meant silver, not sliver. Most of the threads in the search were about dragons.
Primus, the One and Prime 12-05-03, 12:15 AM	oooooh, alright, my bad, now I'm a fool, lol.
Snommelp 12-05-03, 01:03 AM	Originally posted by Shadow Soul Mage Snommelp, convert some of the ones from the sliver making contest OK ;) You know, I think I will. That is, once I get this massive amount of homework out of the way. That might take a while, so I might not start converting slivers until next week or the week after. @Primus: no problem, we all make mistakes. Snommelp, King of the Wyddles http://www.angelfire.com/moon/fallen_heart/Custom_Smileys/Requests/Wyddlefire_King.gif
Joe Gold 12-05-03, 02:33 AM	Originally posted by Snommelp Oh, that's what you meant. No, I meant silver, not sliver. Most of the threads in the search were about dragons. Hmm, sliver dragon. (not mispelled)
Snommelp 12-05-03, 09:22 AM	Heehee... just wait until I make an attempt at a half-sliver template, Joe. Snommelp, King of the Wyddles http://www.angelfire.com/moon/fallen_heart/Custom_Smileys/Requests/Wyddlefire_King.gif
Istirith 12-08-03, 06:16 PM	I think this sounds like a really good idea. I may even like using slivers that don't grant their abilities to others, just themselves.
green_yawgmoth 12-09-03, 03:07 AM	How about this for sliver overlord: "as a move-equivalent action, the overlord may summon a sliver to him. The sliver appears 1 round after activating this ability." I don't know how you'd go about getting the gain control ability into DnD though.
Vaalingrade Ashland 12-09-03, 03:38 AM	Gain control is like a greater dominate: The target gets a will save at a -8 penalty vs Dominate.
Mithral Icesilver 12-14-03, 02:49 PM	Originally posted by DaemeonBlack ... Other slivers such as Magma Sliver do not translate well at all ... What are you talking about? "All slivers within (insert range here) feet gain an attack bonus equal to the number of slivers within range. This means that a sliver entering range will cause the attack bonus given to both: a. go up by one, and b. be given to the new sliver as well; a sliver LEAVING range, however, will lose its bonus and cause the bonus to the others to drop by one." It translates FINE! PS: Yes, I do know you've already done a build for magma sliver, Vaalin. This is an alternate build to prevent the monster loosing game balance.
the_heart 12-16-03, 05:14 AM	I can only get info on the older slivers. I have been thinking about this and will be creating 2 basic sliver forms at 2HD and 4HD (for the 1/1 and 2/2 respectively) and then template the specific slivers. Anyway, the main concern is translating the special abilities and I wanted to keep the abilities both simple and stackable for ease of use: Talon: +2 initiative Armour: +2 AC Mnemonic: ? Winged: Fly 30’, +10/winged sliver beyond 1st, +1 MC/3 winged slivers Clot: fastheal2 Mindwhip: 1 point Int poison, DC +2 and damage +1 / mindwhip sliver beyond 1st Heart: ? Raging: +1 to hit +2 to damage Muscle: +1 to hit +1 to AC Horned: Mobility Feat, with +1 AC for each horned sliver beyond 1st Crystalline: SR 20, +2 for each Crystalline sliver beyond 1st Victual: +10 temporary HP Spined: if attacked in melee, automatically deals 1d4 to attacker within 5’. +1/ additional spined sliver. +5’reach/5 spined slivers Acidic: acid immunity, acid spit: 10’ ranged touch +1 to hit 1d6 damage(all three increase) Hibernation: ? some of the translations are rather liberal :D still have no good ideas for mnemonic, hibernation and heart.
the_heart 12-16-03, 05:19 AM	Originally posted by green_yawgmoth How about this for sliver overlord: "as a move-equivalent action, the overlord may summon a sliver to him. The sliver appears 1 round after activating this ability." I don't know how you'd go about getting the gain control ability into DnD though. sorry for the double post, but thought struck me, would this ability not work more like a summon spell than a dominate effect. maybe similar to demon/devil summon ability?
Darklyte64 12-17-03, 12:58 AM	The sliver overlord Magic card lets you search your library for a sliver and also gain control of slivers. Thats why it has the summoning ability