do you enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing? [Archive] - Wizards Community

do you enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
bomaz
12-18-05, 09:53 AM how come dire elephants have a listed climb speed?
savant_warlord13
12-18-05, 10:07 AM Maybe it's supposed to be a swim speed, elephants are excellent swimmers
bomaz
12-18-05, 10:10 AM perhaps but now we can enjoy the thought of an elephant sitting in a tree.
savant_warlord13
12-18-05, 10:14 AM no matter how good a climber you are, the surface to be climbed must be able to support your weight.

In other words, that had better be an adamantine tree
obrysii
12-18-05, 10:15 AM I'm pretty sure they've eliminated that in the errata and/or 3.5 Update file.
bomaz
12-18-05, 10:18 AM no matter how good a climber you are, the surface to be climbed must be able to support your weight.

In other words, that had better be an adamantine tree

probably. or a small hut (soon an ex hut) or whatever.

There is no errata for mm2 or masters of the wild as far as I know and I think the dire elephant is only in those 2 books.
malykoth
12-18-05, 10:19 AM perhaps but now we can enjoy the thought of an elephant sitting in a tree.
In one game we were in, we failed a surprise check and were surprised by an elephant. We happened to be in a fairly small oasis at the time. We came to the conclusion that the elephant must have been hiding on top of the palm tree since we couldn't see him. The term "stealth elephant" became code for a rediculous circumstance that is enforced by the RAW.
ReverendCow
12-18-05, 10:57 AM Here's a kooky idea: Get some Slippers of Spider Climbing specially made for an elephant. I don't think it would be a very utilitarian idea, but it would be funny to raise a herd of elephants that live on cliffs with Climbdogs.

Edit: Just make sure you don't walk underneath said cliff. You might get bludgeoned to death.
JiCi
12-18-05, 11:21 AM Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet.

What I don't understand is why the dire elephant has such a low AC of 10 ? It only has -4 size and +4 natural armor.

The normal elephant has a +7 natural armor bonus. The dire version should have at least +20, not +4.

EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll answer it. No I do not enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing. I just find this typo totally silly and absurd.
Vestigial_Thumb
12-18-05, 11:34 AM Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet.
Killjoy!
lugnut71
12-18-05, 09:04 PM Let me just say three words

Hannibel, Alps, Elephants.
zzap1990
12-24-05, 01:40 PM who cares if its corrected any good DM could find a use for a climbing multiton dire elephant.

ex) your walking down a hall of the abandoned temple. you hear a thudding sound so you look up and my oh my theirs what appears to be a dire elephant on the wall. the party thinks its a illusion so the elf archer aims and hits it through the eye killing it instantly and it falls squishing every one under it ecept the archer who was away back to aim.
savant_warlord13
12-24-05, 01:53 PM Let me just say three words

Hannibel, Alps, Elephants.

the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes
evilagram
12-24-05, 05:36 PM but it's still hillarious to think of them doing so!!!!! Here's an idea of a use for the dire elephant!!! An evil warlord/sorceror/mastermind/etc. could have a room where he breeds them and he can paint them all pink to make the person inside think he's going insane as he sees dire pink elephants walking up and down the walls and ceilings of the room!!!!!!! I'm laughing histerically as I write this!!!!!
bomaz
12-25-05, 10:38 AM :bounce:
lugnut71
12-25-05, 11:03 AM the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes

Well durh but it's still funny.
Raven Dark
12-25-05, 11:32 AM Do you enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing?

Yes. Yes I do. :D
Giygasfan
12-25-05, 10:03 PM ex) your walking down a hall of the abandoned temple. you hear a thudding sound so you look up and my oh my theirs what appears to be a dire elephant on the wall. the party thinks its a illusion so the elf archer aims and hits it through the eye killing it instantly and it falls squishing every one under it ecept the archer who was away back to aim.

LOL :rofl:
Giygasfan
12-25-05, 10:05 PM LOL :rofl:

Sorry 'Bout that.(Must... Resist.....Impulse....to mindlessly.....Quote)
Tetsubo
12-26-05, 08:10 AM Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet.

What I don't understand is why the dire elephant has such a low AC of 10 ? It only has -4 size and +4 natural armor.

The normal elephant has a +7 natural armor bonus. The dire version should have at least +20, not +4.

EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll answer it. No I do not enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing. I just find this typo totally silly and absurd.

I never noticed the AC issue with Dire Elephants. That is silly. I think I'd double the normal Elephant AC and make +14 though for a total AC of 20.
zzap1990
12-26-05, 10:54 AM the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes

they only use mountain passes because they can go any other way! so with climbing they would take the shortest path which might be a pass or right over a mountain.
zzap1990
12-26-05, 11:02 AM :bow: to my evil :plotting: mind :evillaugh

think of this a dire elephant that is celestial or fiendish so it has the wings and flying then paint them pink and have them follow people around!!!
Riznar
12-26-05, 03:25 PM About the dire elephant AC, you ever notice that creatures of the animal type rarely have AC over 20? It makes a celestial stegosaurus much less threatening
Weenie
12-26-05, 04:16 PM Errata or no, the average (MM) elephant still has a Climb modifier of +10, from having Str 30. And a Jump modifier of +14 as well (its speed is 40 ft.) Ever seen an elephant jump across a cliff?

I don't really have a problem with this, it's just a consequence of having certain skills modified by a certain ability - and such divisions are mostly arbitrary. Things like these can and do come up in any system.

Speaking of animals, it's been pointed out before that an average dog has a higher Dexterity than an average cat... now that, unlike climbing elephants, is a designer's choice, and that makes very little sense.
Lina_Inverse
12-26-05, 04:21 PM No no, i actully -love- the idea of elephents with climb speeds.
Tetsubo
12-26-05, 04:32 PM Errata or no, the average (MM) elephant still has a Climb modifier of +10, from having Str 30. And a Jump modifier of +14 as well (its speed is 40 ft.) Ever seen an elephant jump across a cliff?

I don't really have a problem with this, it's just a consequence of having certain skills modified by a certain ability - and such divisions are mostly arbitrary. Things like these can and do come up in any system.

Speaking of animals, it's been pointed out before that an average dog has a higher Dexterity than an average cat... now that, unlike climbing elephants, is a designer's choice, and that makes very little sense.

Maybe the designer is a dog person...
lugnut71
12-26-05, 05:32 PM Dog lovers always keeping us cat lovers down.
zzap1990
12-26-05, 06:36 PM well i have both and cats have way more Dexterity then dogs so to compisate sense elephants climb i heraby give all cat like creatures a perfact fly speed of 30 :evillaugh:evillaugh:evillaugh

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bomaz 12-18-05, 09:53 AM	how come dire elephants have a listed climb speed?
savant_warlord13 12-18-05, 10:07 AM	Maybe it's supposed to be a swim speed, elephants are excellent swimmers
bomaz 12-18-05, 10:10 AM	perhaps but now we can enjoy the thought of an elephant sitting in a tree.
savant_warlord13 12-18-05, 10:14 AM	no matter how good a climber you are, the surface to be climbed must be able to support your weight. In other words, that had better be an adamantine tree
obrysii 12-18-05, 10:15 AM	I'm pretty sure they've eliminated that in the errata and/or 3.5 Update file.
bomaz 12-18-05, 10:18 AM	no matter how good a climber you are, the surface to be climbed must be able to support your weight. In other words, that had better be an adamantine tree probably. or a small hut (soon an ex hut) or whatever. There is no errata for mm2 or masters of the wild as far as I know and I think the dire elephant is only in those 2 books.
malykoth 12-18-05, 10:19 AM	perhaps but now we can enjoy the thought of an elephant sitting in a tree. In one game we were in, we failed a surprise check and were surprised by an elephant. We happened to be in a fairly small oasis at the time. We came to the conclusion that the elephant must have been hiding on top of the palm tree since we couldn't see him. The term "stealth elephant" became code for a rediculous circumstance that is enforced by the RAW.
ReverendCow 12-18-05, 10:57 AM	Here's a kooky idea: Get some Slippers of Spider Climbing specially made for an elephant. I don't think it would be a very utilitarian idea, but it would be funny to raise a herd of elephants that live on cliffs with Climbdogs. Edit: Just make sure you don't walk underneath said cliff. You might get bludgeoned to death.
JiCi 12-18-05, 11:21 AM	Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet. What I don't understand is why the dire elephant has such a low AC of 10 ? It only has -4 size and +4 natural armor. The normal elephant has a +7 natural armor bonus. The dire version should have at least +20, not +4. EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll answer it. No I do not enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing. I just find this typo totally silly and absurd.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-18-05, 11:34 AM	Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet. Killjoy!
lugnut71 12-18-05, 09:04 PM	Let me just say three words Hannibel, Alps, Elephants.
zzap1990 12-24-05, 01:40 PM	who cares if its corrected any good DM could find a use for a climbing multiton dire elephant. ex) your walking down a hall of the abandoned temple. you hear a thudding sound so you look up and my oh my theirs what appears to be a dire elephant on the wall. the party thinks its a illusion so the elf archer aims and hits it through the eye killing it instantly and it falls squishing every one under it ecept the archer who was away back to aim.
savant_warlord13 12-24-05, 01:53 PM	Let me just say three words Hannibel, Alps, Elephants. the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes
evilagram 12-24-05, 05:36 PM	but it's still hillarious to think of them doing so!!!!! Here's an idea of a use for the dire elephant!!! An evil warlord/sorceror/mastermind/etc. could have a room where he breeds them and he can paint them all pink to make the person inside think he's going insane as he sees dire pink elephants walking up and down the walls and ceilings of the room!!!!!!! I'm laughing histerically as I write this!!!!!
bomaz 12-25-05, 10:38 AM	:bounce:
lugnut71 12-25-05, 11:03 AM	the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes Well durh but it's still funny.
Raven Dark 12-25-05, 11:32 AM	Do you enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing? Yes. Yes I do. :D
Giygasfan 12-25-05, 10:03 PM	ex) your walking down a hall of the abandoned temple. you hear a thudding sound so you look up and my oh my theirs what appears to be a dire elephant on the wall. the party thinks its a illusion so the elf archer aims and hits it through the eye killing it instantly and it falls squishing every one under it ecept the archer who was away back to aim. LOL :rofl:
Giygasfan 12-25-05, 10:05 PM	LOL :rofl: Sorry 'Bout that.(Must... Resist.....Impulse....to mindlessly.....Quote)
Tetsubo 12-26-05, 08:10 AM	Guys, the Climb speed has been corrected, as in deleted, in the MMII 3.5 update booklet. What I don't understand is why the dire elephant has such a low AC of 10 ? It only has -4 size and +4 natural armor. The normal elephant has a +7 natural armor bonus. The dire version should have at least +20, not +4. EDIT: Ok, fine, I'll answer it. No I do not enjoy the thought of an elephant climbing. I just find this typo totally silly and absurd. I never noticed the AC issue with Dire Elephants. That is silly. I think I'd double the normal Elephant AC and make +14 though for a total AC of 20.
zzap1990 12-26-05, 10:54 AM	the elephants did not climb up cliffs, they used moutain passes they only use mountain passes because they can go any other way! so with climbing they would take the shortest path which might be a pass or right over a mountain.
zzap1990 12-26-05, 11:02 AM	:bow: to my evil :plotting: mind :evillaugh think of this a dire elephant that is celestial or fiendish so it has the wings and flying then paint them pink and have them follow people around!!!
Riznar 12-26-05, 03:25 PM	About the dire elephant AC, you ever notice that creatures of the animal type rarely have AC over 20? It makes a celestial stegosaurus much less threatening
Weenie 12-26-05, 04:16 PM	Errata or no, the average (MM) elephant still has a Climb modifier of +10, from having Str 30. And a Jump modifier of +14 as well (its speed is 40 ft.) Ever seen an elephant jump across a cliff? I don't really have a problem with this, it's just a consequence of having certain skills modified by a certain ability - and such divisions are mostly arbitrary. Things like these can and do come up in any system. Speaking of animals, it's been pointed out before that an average dog has a higher Dexterity than an average cat... now that, unlike climbing elephants, is a designer's choice, and that makes very little sense.
Lina_Inverse 12-26-05, 04:21 PM	No no, i actully -love- the idea of elephents with climb speeds.
Tetsubo 12-26-05, 04:32 PM	Errata or no, the average (MM) elephant still has a Climb modifier of +10, from having Str 30. And a Jump modifier of +14 as well (its speed is 40 ft.) Ever seen an elephant jump across a cliff? I don't really have a problem with this, it's just a consequence of having certain skills modified by a certain ability - and such divisions are mostly arbitrary. Things like these can and do come up in any system. Speaking of animals, it's been pointed out before that an average dog has a higher Dexterity than an average cat... now that, unlike climbing elephants, is a designer's choice, and that makes very little sense. Maybe the designer is a dog person...
lugnut71 12-26-05, 05:32 PM	Dog lovers always keeping us cat lovers down.
zzap1990 12-26-05, 06:36 PM	well i have both and cats have way more Dexterity then dogs so to compisate sense elephants climb i heraby give all cat like creatures a perfact fly speed of 30 :evillaugh:evillaugh:evillaugh