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Omarfr 05-28-06, 02:58 PM	Has anyone DMd a game with a Succubus tricking male characters in teh game without the players using their real-world common sense of Succubus, knowing its one?
Shaggy_Shaggs 05-28-06, 03:01 PM	As a random encounter it's unlikely (unless the PCs frequently go after anything that moves, anyway). If you really want to decimate a party with succubi, what you do is you give PCs opportunities to get involved in relationships with NPCs, then when the time is right have a succubus replace the NPC and go to the PC as his/her significant other. Be careful, though -- if a PC is stubborn enough, good enough, and able to survive the various saving throws and grapple checks long enough, he might just turn the situation around and you end up with a redeemed neutral or good fiend on your hands.
anki 05-28-06, 03:52 PM	I DM one game with a succubus trickying a PC.It was quite easy.The succubus was a countess who lived in a mansion and invited the PC to join her for dinner 'couse he "saved" her previously from thugs and after some persuading she got him into her bed,but by then it was to late...hehehe
Watchdog_of_Hades 05-28-06, 07:40 PM	Yeah, don't make a random encounter. How likely is it that some perfectly non-demonic woman will just happen to be in the middle of a dungeon? If you're going to spring a surprise on the party, introduce the succubus in a non-combat, non-suspicion-arousing environment, not just wandering around in the evil wizard's tower. "Oh, yeah, I just wandered in... um... I was wondering if there was a bathroom... yeah." Also, don't use the succubus description verbatum if your players are experienced. Of course, if the players that are experienced enough to roughly know what every monster's description is are also so zealous about not metagaming, even if it becomes a risk for their characters, you can use the description given in the MM, no problem.
Slagger the Chuul 05-29-06, 05:47 AM	I had a perfect encounter with a succubus, where my players were sent to convince the wayward son of a wealthy merchant to return to the fold. The son was up to all sorts of partying in the hired basement of an inn, but what his father didn't know (and couldn't tell the PCs) was that a succubus was pulling all the strings. The only character who got into the party to talk the son around was eventually invited to join him in his revelry, where the succubus planted enough kisses on him to take him out (she left him barely alive). When the rescuers went in, they found out that half of the partygoers were the succubus' dretch minions (disguised by her polymorph spell-like ability, since this was pre-errata), but not before she nailed a character with suggestion for another string of energy-draining kisses (which was initially covered up by her diplomatic skills). The succubus never got her own hands dirty once the fighting broke out, and neatly escaped once the dretches were eventually cut down by the weakened group. It was pretty much the ideal encounter to showcase a succubus.
Guennarr 05-29-06, 07:02 AM	Has anyone DMd a game with a Succubus tricking male characters in teh game without the players using their real-world common sense of Succubus, knowing its one? My group met one and were fooled by her. ;-) Elongated Version: My group liked to play "mature" in certain situations (especially when being left loose in a big city). So I "exploited" this weakness of theirs when they had just acquired a very valuable magic device. For a while after that they even changed their behaviour and had second thoughts about approaching the opposite gender. Not for long, though, and I surely wouldn't use Succubi in that way again. As a once in a while surprise it was invaluable, though. DMs reading this and complaining about fooling players out of their hard won treasure: Yes, it is not nice, but by then I was a newbie DM and my group newbie players, and they learned that in D&D things can look different as they are. ;-) On the other hand it was that inexperience of theirs in the first place that made it possible. If you have a group experienced enough, consider yourself to be fortunate. I wouldn't care too much about meta game knowledge of theirs. If you don't use these tricks too often and if there are players who are very forward towards female NPCs, just let them meet your succubus. Even IF they suspect something, they still would have to make their rolls in order to know. (not every attractive female can be a succubus, can she?) And then succubi aren't that easily identified, especially if they are played in a way that doesn't raise suspicions. That means (without having read other answers yet): no random encounter! (these stand out too easily and people just *have* to get suspicious), introduce them as an NPC of the main plot or weave them subtly into the main plot and you will take them by surprise. Greetings, Günther
Kage_no_Neko 05-29-06, 05:05 PM	My group met a Succubus and were fooled by it. We were exploring a wizard's tower and found a beautiful lady in the library. She told us she was the wizards prisoner and was trapped by a magic item she could not touch. Sense motive checks told us she was not lying (which was true, since she was trapped their to guard the library by the wizard). Since we did not have a paladin we could not determine she was evil. She asked us to free her, and though some of our group questioned this action, our rogue sauntered right up to her and asked what the reward would be. She told him a kiss and he agreed. He removed the magic item, she gave him his kiss and then another for good measure, and walked away. We never saw the succubus again, but the rogue became a little less trusting when he permanently lost both levels the next day.
The Colonel 05-29-06, 05:09 PM	The random encouter succubus as 'prisoner' is probably your best option ... and if they are on a hostage resuce mission they might end up with an early abort and bringing home a 'princess' who is not at all what she seems and might not even harm them... directly.