Does anyone have rules for Draegloth PC's? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Does anyone have rules for Draegloth PC's? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kiirnodel
08-04-04, 08:07 PM Yeah...that is a big one isn't it?

I know its spell-like abilities and stat adjustments and its 6d8 outsider HD...but what is its progression for low levels and its LA?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-04-04, 08:13 PM Well, I imagine its LA is probably pretty similar to a Drow with the Half-Fiend template. Minus one or two for the HD
Kiirnodel
08-04-04, 09:29 PM I see, BTW do they get any racial skill bonuses?

I thought LA+4 and 6 HD sounded correct.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-04-04, 09:38 PM +4 with 6HD sounds about right.

Are you DMing this? If so, I would say to have your player play it like that, and if it seems drastically too weak, start giving free levels to it every couple sessions until it's about even. If it seems too strong, start making the player soak up extra levels of ECL before he can progress.

And normally, racial skill bonuses are listed somewhere in the monster description. I don't think it has any.
Kiirnodel
08-04-04, 10:35 PM I actually don't have monsters of faerun...

I think its +12 str, +4 Dex, +4 Con, +2 Int
6d8 outsider HD
dancing lights, faerie fire, desecrate, unholy blight 1/day
Darkness 4/day
SR 11+HD+class levels
Light blindness
and resistances and such that half fiends get correct?
Egres
08-04-04, 11:16 PM Note that the Web Enhancement to the Player's Guide to Faerun ,to adapt the monsters in the MoF book, lists the draegloth as LA-.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-05-04, 12:01 AM That doesn't make sense, since it's just a flavorful version of a drow half-fiend.
Kiirnodel
08-05-04, 12:42 AM It definitely has an LA! I wouldn't allow a pure 6 HD in it and thats all!

Heres the progression I had in mind.

BAB HD Skills Fort Ref Will Abilities
1 +1 1d8 (8+Int)x4 +2 +2 +2 +2 Str, Feat, Outsider (Evil, Native) Claws : d3
Bite: d4, Dancing lights and faerie fire 1/day
2 +2 2d8 8+Int +3 +3 +3 +2 Dex, Resist poison +2
3 +2 2d8 -- +3 +3 +3 +2 Str, Claws: d4, bite: d6, SR 5+HD, Darkness 1/day
4 +3 3d8 8+Int +3 +3 +3 +2 Con, Feat, Resist poison +4, Smite Good, DR 2/magic
5 +3 3d8 -- +3 +3 +3 +2 Str, +1 Natural armor, Resistances 5
Desecrate 1/day, Darkvision 60 ft.
6 +4 4d8 8+Int +4 +4 +4 +2 Int , +10 speed, Darkness 2/day
7 +4 4d8 -- +4 +4 +4 +2 Str, +2 Dex, Darkvision 90 ft., Unholy Blight 1/day
8 +5 5d8 8+Int +4 +4 +4 +2 Con, Immune to Poison, DR 5/magic, Darkness 3/day
9 +5 5d8 -- +4 +4 +4 +2 Str, Large size, SR 11+HD
10+6/+1 6d8 8+Int +5 +5 +5 +2 Str, Feat, Darkvision 120 ft., Resistances: 10
Darkness 4/day

The Draegloth

The Draegloth begins with:

+2 Str, Draegloths are very muscular and become very powerful over time.
Medium size
Outsider with the Evil and native subtypes.
Base land speed of 30
Darkvision: 30 ft.
Natural claw and bite attacks
Spell-like abilities listed

Class skills for the Draegloth
Balance (Dex), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Hide (Dex), Jump (Str), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (Religion)(Int), Knowledge (The Planes)(Int), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Spellcraft (Int), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis)

Look good?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-05-04, 12:50 AM "LA: - " is wizards' way of saying it's not suitable for PCs, which is what I was arguing about. If it had no LA at all, it would be "LA:0"

That progression looks good. You might want to pick up Monsters of Faerun, though, to find out if their spell-like abilities progress when they advance, like a half-fiend's, and whatnot .
Korone
08-05-04, 02:55 AM Draegloth have resistance 20 to cold, fire, acid and electricity.. why did you put only 10 ?
Egres
08-05-04, 08:37 AM Cause it has been revised in the 3.5.
Kiirnodel
08-05-04, 08:38 AM I dont have the rules in front of me...is that all I screwed up?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-05-04, 01:31 PM egres, revised TO 10, or revised FROM 10
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
08-05-04, 10:37 PM Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
egres, revised TO 10, or revised FROM 10

Revised to 10. Energy resistances were lowered in 3.5 because the energy resistance rules were changed to make more sense.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
08-05-04, 11:03 PM makes sense
Kiirnodel
08-06-04, 12:40 AM So I had it right the first time :D

It's very nice...I think Jeggred was the inspiration :P
lostone
11-06-04, 10:51 AM Well I guess I'm resurrecting this thread :bump:. So far the stats for the progression above look great, but I think from a flavor standpoint that the claw damage should be more than listed in the book. 1d6 for a large creature that is drawn with hands for a huge creature just doesn't sound right :D. I'd say 1d8 or even 1d10, this is it's primary attack form and Jeggrid is very impressive in the novels I've read so far.
Unholywarrior
11-09-04, 12:48 AM Going with their seemingly standard idea for claw damage by size, I'd say that it should be 1d6... Follows the same design as Half dragon does.. as does the bite of 1d8...
Kiirnodel
11-09-04, 01:52 AM Wow...I unsubscribed to this thread...but still found it.

I think its a matter of how they deal damage. There is so many little razors in the jaw of the Draegloth, as opposed to the huge arms...They get full strength with their claws attacks though. So that might end up giving them the bonus anyway.

BTW: I have those stats correct, don't I?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kiirnodel 08-04-04, 08:07 PM	Yeah...that is a big one isn't it? I know its spell-like abilities and stat adjustments and its 6d8 outsider HD...but what is its progression for low levels and its LA?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-04-04, 08:13 PM	Well, I imagine its LA is probably pretty similar to a Drow with the Half-Fiend template. Minus one or two for the HD
Kiirnodel 08-04-04, 09:29 PM	I see, BTW do they get any racial skill bonuses? I thought LA+4 and 6 HD sounded correct.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-04-04, 09:38 PM	+4 with 6HD sounds about right. Are you DMing this? If so, I would say to have your player play it like that, and if it seems drastically too weak, start giving free levels to it every couple sessions until it's about even. If it seems too strong, start making the player soak up extra levels of ECL before he can progress. And normally, racial skill bonuses are listed somewhere in the monster description. I don't think it has any.
Kiirnodel 08-04-04, 10:35 PM	I actually don't have monsters of faerun... I think its +12 str, +4 Dex, +4 Con, +2 Int 6d8 outsider HD dancing lights, faerie fire, desecrate, unholy blight 1/day Darkness 4/day SR 11+HD+class levels Light blindness and resistances and such that half fiends get correct?
Egres 08-04-04, 11:16 PM	Note that the Web Enhancement to the Player's Guide to Faerun ,to adapt the monsters in the MoF book, lists the draegloth as LA-.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-05-04, 12:01 AM	That doesn't make sense, since it's just a flavorful version of a drow half-fiend.
Kiirnodel 08-05-04, 12:42 AM	It definitely has an LA! I wouldn't allow a pure 6 HD in it and thats all! Heres the progression I had in mind. BAB HD Skills Fort Ref Will Abilities 1 +1 1d8 (8+Int)x4 +2 +2 +2 +2 Str, Feat, Outsider (Evil, Native) Claws : d3 Bite: d4, Dancing lights and faerie fire 1/day 2 +2 2d8 8+Int +3 +3 +3 +2 Dex, Resist poison +2 3 +2 2d8 -- +3 +3 +3 +2 Str, Claws: d4, bite: d6, SR 5+HD, Darkness 1/day 4 +3 3d8 8+Int +3 +3 +3 +2 Con, Feat, Resist poison +4, Smite Good, DR 2/magic 5 +3 3d8 -- +3 +3 +3 +2 Str, +1 Natural armor, Resistances 5 Desecrate 1/day, Darkvision 60 ft. 6 +4 4d8 8+Int +4 +4 +4 +2 Int , +10 speed, Darkness 2/day 7 +4 4d8 -- +4 +4 +4 +2 Str, +2 Dex, Darkvision 90 ft., Unholy Blight 1/day 8 +5 5d8 8+Int +4 +4 +4 +2 Con, Immune to Poison, DR 5/magic, Darkness 3/day 9 +5 5d8 -- +4 +4 +4 +2 Str, Large size, SR 11+HD 10+6/+1 6d8 8+Int +5 +5 +5 +2 Str, Feat, Darkvision 120 ft., Resistances: 10 Darkness 4/day The Draegloth The Draegloth begins with: +2 Str, Draegloths are very muscular and become very powerful over time. Medium size Outsider with the Evil and native subtypes. Base land speed of 30 Darkvision: 30 ft. Natural claw and bite attacks Spell-like abilities listed Class skills for the Draegloth Balance (Dex), Climb (Str), Concentration (Con), Hide (Dex), Jump (Str), Intimidate (Cha), Knowledge (Religion)(Int), Knowledge (The Planes)(Int), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Spellcraft (Int), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis) Look good?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-05-04, 12:50 AM	"LA: - " is wizards' way of saying it's not suitable for PCs, which is what I was arguing about. If it had no LA at all, it would be "LA:0" That progression looks good. You might want to pick up Monsters of Faerun, though, to find out if their spell-like abilities progress when they advance, like a half-fiend's, and whatnot .
Korone 08-05-04, 02:55 AM	Draegloth have resistance 20 to cold, fire, acid and electricity.. why did you put only 10 ?
Egres 08-05-04, 08:37 AM	Cause it has been revised in the 3.5.
Kiirnodel 08-05-04, 08:38 AM	I dont have the rules in front of me...is that all I screwed up?
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-05-04, 01:31 PM	egres, revised TO 10, or revised FROM 10
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 08-05-04, 10:37 PM	Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru egres, revised TO 10, or revised FROM 10 Revised to 10. Energy resistances were lowered in 3.5 because the energy resistance rules were changed to make more sense.
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 08-05-04, 11:03 PM	makes sense
Kiirnodel 08-06-04, 12:40 AM	So I had it right the first time :D It's very nice...I think Jeggred was the inspiration :P
lostone 11-06-04, 10:51 AM	Well I guess I'm resurrecting this thread :bump:. So far the stats for the progression above look great, but I think from a flavor standpoint that the claw damage should be more than listed in the book. 1d6 for a large creature that is drawn with hands for a huge creature just doesn't sound right :D. I'd say 1d8 or even 1d10, this is it's primary attack form and Jeggrid is very impressive in the novels I've read so far.
Unholywarrior 11-09-04, 12:48 AM	Going with their seemingly standard idea for claw damage by size, I'd say that it should be 1d6... Follows the same design as Half dragon does.. as does the bite of 1d8...
Kiirnodel 11-09-04, 01:52 AM	Wow...I unsubscribed to this thread...but still found it. I think its a matter of how they deal damage. There is so many little razors in the jaw of the Draegloth, as opposed to the huge arms...They get full strength with their claws attacks though. So that might end up giving them the bonus anyway. BTW: I have those stats correct, don't I?