Doppelganger question... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Doppelganger question... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
OgreMonk
05-02-07, 09:35 AM I am no rules expert so correct me if I am wrong...

Is the MM entry correct for the save DC of 13 on the Detect Thoughts ability? The caster level of 18 has no effect on the DC?

Thanks!
CantripN
05-02-07, 09:41 AM Save DC is not dependant on CL at all, except with some exceptions like Poison.
OgreMonk
05-02-07, 09:48 AM So how does the caster level affect the ability?
CantripN
05-02-07, 09:51 AM So how does the caster level affect the ability?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/detectThoughts.htm

Duration? Not really an issue, but yeah.
OgreMonk
05-02-07, 10:26 AM Ah, I see my confusion. I was calculating the DC as if a 18th level wizard were casting it and not as a supernatural ability would be.

THX!
Morwen
05-02-07, 11:04 AM Ah, I see my confusion. I was calculating the DC as if a 18th level wizard were casting it and not as a supernatural ability would be.

THX!

There is no difference in how you calculate the save DCs. An 18th level Wizard with the same key ability score modifier as the Doppelganger would also produce a save DC of 13 for Detect Thoughts.

The Save DC for a spell is 10+spell level+key ability score modifier. Caster level doesn't enter into it.
CantripN
05-02-07, 11:31 AM There is no difference in how you calculate the save DCs. An 18th level Wizard with the same key ability score modifier as the Doppelganger would also produce a save DC of 13 for Detect Thoughts.

The Save DC for a spell is 10+spell level+key ability score modifier. Caster level doesn't enter into it.

Actually:
The saving throw (if any) against a supernatural ability is:

10 + ½ the creature’s HD + the creature’s ability modifier (usually Charisma).
Morwen
05-02-07, 11:36 AM Hm, for some reason I assumed it to be a spell-like ability.

In any case, the aforementioned 18th-level Wizard who cast detect thoughts would still only get a save DC of 13 (if he had +1 in the primary casting stat).
Return of the Flumph
05-02-07, 02:52 PM If its a spell-like ability, the save DC is the pertinent ability modifier plus the spell level. If its a supernatural ability, replace spell level with 1/2 of the creature's HD.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
OgreMonk 05-02-07, 09:35 AM	I am no rules expert so correct me if I am wrong... Is the MM entry correct for the save DC of 13 on the Detect Thoughts ability? The caster level of 18 has no effect on the DC? Thanks!
CantripN 05-02-07, 09:41 AM	Save DC is not dependant on CL at all, except with some exceptions like Poison.
OgreMonk 05-02-07, 09:48 AM	So how does the caster level affect the ability?
CantripN 05-02-07, 09:51 AM	So how does the caster level affect the ability? http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/detectThoughts.htm Duration? Not really an issue, but yeah.
OgreMonk 05-02-07, 10:26 AM	Ah, I see my confusion. I was calculating the DC as if a 18th level wizard were casting it and not as a supernatural ability would be. THX!
Morwen 05-02-07, 11:04 AM	Ah, I see my confusion. I was calculating the DC as if a 18th level wizard were casting it and not as a supernatural ability would be. THX! There is no difference in how you calculate the save DCs. An 18th level Wizard with the same key ability score modifier as the Doppelganger would also produce a save DC of 13 for Detect Thoughts. The Save DC for a spell is 10+spell level+key ability score modifier. Caster level doesn't enter into it.
CantripN 05-02-07, 11:31 AM	There is no difference in how you calculate the save DCs. An 18th level Wizard with the same key ability score modifier as the Doppelganger would also produce a save DC of 13 for Detect Thoughts. The Save DC for a spell is 10+spell level+key ability score modifier. Caster level doesn't enter into it. Actually: The saving throw (if any) against a supernatural ability is: 10 + ½ the creature’s HD + the creature’s ability modifier (usually Charisma).
Morwen 05-02-07, 11:36 AM	Hm, for some reason I assumed it to be a spell-like ability. In any case, the aforementioned 18th-level Wizard who cast detect thoughts would still only get a save DC of 13 (if he had +1 in the primary casting stat).
Return of the Flumph 05-02-07, 02:52 PM	If its a spell-like ability, the save DC is the pertinent ability modifier plus the spell level. If its a supernatural ability, replace spell level with 1/2 of the creature's HD.