Doppelgangers as characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Doppelgangers as characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Harlequin13
02-28-06, 06:10 PM ok, here is a quickie

If a player chooses to play a doppelganger as a character (2nd level rogue) (6th level all together) how do the skill points work. the class states that the doppelganger has 2 monster levels and 2 + INT MOD * 7 skill points in adition to two racial feats. so does that character considered 4th level or 6th level for determining feats and ability increases and does the character get 4 feats (1 at 1st level, one at 4th level and 2 racial) or 3 feats, (2 racial feats + 1 at 4th level). also, does the character get (int 20) (2+5*7) = 49 racial skills and 8+5* level(2) = 26 skill points for being a 2nd level rogue or does he get 8+5 *4 = 52 skill points at 1st level and another 8+5 = 13 at 2nd level.

ok, in basic english. does the monster levels count before or after the class levels when determing feats and skills.

oh, also, if a Doppelganger gets 4d8 hp is that 2d8 per monster level? in other words, is con bonus added 2 times or 4 times?
Tallow
02-28-06, 06:44 PM ok, here is a quickie

If a player chooses to play a doppelganger as a character (2nd level rogue) (6th level all together) how do the skill points work. the class states that the doppelganger has 2 monster levels and 2 + INT MOD * 7 skill points in adition to two racial feats. so does that character considered 4th level or 6th level for determining feats and ability increases and does the character get 4 feats (1 at 1st level, one at 4th level and 2 racial) or 3 feats, (2 racial feats + 1 at 4th level). also, does the character get (int 20) (2+5*7) = 49 racial skills and 8+5* level(2) = 26 skill points for being a 2nd level rogue or does he get 8+5 *4 = 52 skill points at 1st level and another 8+5 = 13 at 2nd level.

ok, in basic english. does the monster levels count before or after the class levels when determing feats and skills.

oh, also, if a Doppelganger gets 4d8 hp is that 2d8 per monster level? in other words, is con bonus added 2 times or 4 times?

Monster levels always count first. I'd say he was considered 4th character level, with an ECL of 6 (LA +2).

He'd get the skill points for the monster levels, the two racial feats, and at 3rd level (1st class level) he'd get 1 extra feat. So he'd get 3 feats, and then 49 racial skills and 26 class skills.

His con bonus is added to each HIT DICE, not level. So he'd get 6*Con bonus in extra hit points.
Morwen
02-28-06, 07:49 PM You are a bit off.

The Doppelganger has 4 racial hit dice, not 2, and a +4 level adjustment. If the Doppelganger character also has 2 Rogue levels, it will be a 10th level character altogether.

It gets a total of three feats; for its 1st, 3rd and 6th hit dice.

It gets 2+Int skill points x4 for the first racial hit die, and 2+Int skill points for each of the remaining three racial hit dice, for a total of (2+Int)*7 skill points. You add (8+Int)*2 skill points from the two Rogue levels.

Its hit points will be 4d8+2d6+Con*6.
Maxxx
03-01-06, 07:21 AM Morwen is right, if you create or level up a character, then for anything other than starting gold and XP, just forget about the LA and just count HD with monster HD coming before class HD and get a feat for every third HD and skills for every HD with quadruple skills for the first HD (this is always the monster HD if you have one).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Harlequin13 02-28-06, 06:10 PM	ok, here is a quickie If a player chooses to play a doppelganger as a character (2nd level rogue) (6th level all together) how do the skill points work. the class states that the doppelganger has 2 monster levels and 2 + INT MOD * 7 skill points in adition to two racial feats. so does that character considered 4th level or 6th level for determining feats and ability increases and does the character get 4 feats (1 at 1st level, one at 4th level and 2 racial) or 3 feats, (2 racial feats + 1 at 4th level). also, does the character get (int 20) (2+57) = 49 racial skills and 8+5 level(2) = 26 skill points for being a 2nd level rogue or does he get 8+5 *4 = 52 skill points at 1st level and another 8+5 = 13 at 2nd level. ok, in basic english. does the monster levels count before or after the class levels when determing feats and skills. oh, also, if a Doppelganger gets 4d8 hp is that 2d8 per monster level? in other words, is con bonus added 2 times or 4 times?
Tallow 02-28-06, 06:44 PM	ok, here is a quickie If a player chooses to play a doppelganger as a character (2nd level rogue) (6th level all together) how do the skill points work. the class states that the doppelganger has 2 monster levels and 2 + INT MOD * 7 skill points in adition to two racial feats. so does that character considered 4th level or 6th level for determining feats and ability increases and does the character get 4 feats (1 at 1st level, one at 4th level and 2 racial) or 3 feats, (2 racial feats + 1 at 4th level). also, does the character get (int 20) (2+57) = 49 racial skills and 8+5 level(2) = 26 skill points for being a 2nd level rogue or does he get 8+5 4 = 52 skill points at 1st level and another 8+5 = 13 at 2nd level. ok, in basic english. does the monster levels count before or after the class levels when determing feats and skills. oh, also, if a Doppelganger gets 4d8 hp is that 2d8 per monster level? in other words, is con bonus added 2 times or 4 times? Monster levels always count first. I'd say he was considered 4th character level, with an ECL of 6 (LA +2). He'd get the skill points for the monster levels, the two racial feats, and at 3rd level (1st class level) he'd get 1 extra feat. So he'd get 3 feats, and then 49 racial skills and 26 class skills. His con bonus is added to each HIT DICE, not level. So he'd get 6Con bonus in extra hit points.
Morwen 02-28-06, 07:49 PM	You are a bit off. The Doppelganger has 4 racial hit dice, not 2, and a +4 level adjustment. If the Doppelganger character also has 2 Rogue levels, it will be a 10th level character altogether. It gets a total of three feats; for its 1st, 3rd and 6th hit dice. It gets 2+Int skill points x4 for the first racial hit die, and 2+Int skill points for each of the remaining three racial hit dice, for a total of (2+Int)7 skill points. You add (8+Int)2 skill points from the two Rogue levels. Its hit points will be 4d8+2d6+Con*6.
Maxxx 03-01-06, 07:21 AM	Morwen is right, if you create or level up a character, then for anything other than starting gold and XP, just forget about the LA and just count HD with monster HD coming before class HD and get a feat for every third HD and skills for every HD with quadruple skills for the first HD (this is always the monster HD if you have one).