Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Rashiko 09-04-04, 12:34 PM	This confused me a little, but maybe I'm just reading stuff wrong. In the preview for the dracotaur it says it has Armor proficiency (light) and Iron will as feats. In the dracotaurs as characters section it says they get 2 feats and are automatically proficient with light armor. Am I misunderstanding or is the top part a feat short?
ieattrollsforbreakfast 09-04-04, 02:58 PM	Using only the preview version (I dont know if it has changed, dont have MM3 yet :(), it looks like a misprint. The dracotaur has 3HD and so is only entitled to 2 feats, and they should not be automatically proficient with light armour.
Incenjucar 09-04-04, 03:34 PM	... Unless, of course, they're doing the 'proficient with whatever equipment is listed in their description' thing...
ieattrollsforbreakfast 09-04-04, 03:50 PM	... Unless, of course, they're doing the 'proficient with whatever equipment is listed in their description' thing... I think this is what is causing the confusion. Either the Armour Proficiency feat isnt needed, or the character section is wrong.
Rashiko 09-05-04, 09:12 PM	So the feat count is right and they aren't supposed to be proficient with Light armor or they are proficient, but are a feat short. I'll check it when I get MM3. Mebbe it changed or got clarified. Or perhaps it'll eventually show up in the errata.
Wolf72 09-05-04, 10:13 PM	some monster types get armor feats, or have a line saying that a creature listed with armor is automatically proficient with that armor.
Festering Drippage 09-05-04, 11:00 PM	It's listed the same way in the print version, so they didn't change anything.
wamagni 09-06-04, 12:31 AM	Where could one find this Dracotaur that everyone keeps talking about? Maybe i'm blind, but i havent' seen it in the articles.
d_nychus 09-06-04, 09:11 AM	In the dracotaurs as characters section it says they get 2 feats and are automatically proficient with light armor. Am I misunderstanding or is the top part a feat short? The dracotaur is of the Dragon type, and Dragons are not proficient in any sort of armor, whatsoever. Only Humanoids, Giants, Monstrous Humanoids, Elementals, Fey, Outsiders, and Undead are proficient in whatever armor they are listed as wearing. All other are not proficient in armor at all.
d_nychus 09-06-04, 09:11 AM	Where could one find this Dracotaur that everyone keeps talking about? Maybe i'm blind, but i havent' seen it in the articles. MMIII preview (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040905a&page=3)
Wolf72 09-06-04, 01:53 PM	... the Dracotaur (sans fluff) is highly reminiscent of the the spelljammer Dracon.
Rashiko 09-07-04, 05:30 PM	... the Dracotaur (sans fluff) is highly reminiscent of the the spelljammer Dracon. You can take any monster and make it seem that way compared to at least one other kind of monster. lol
Rashiko 09-07-04, 05:31 PM	The dracotaur is of the Dragon type, and Dragons are not proficient in any sort of armor, whatsoever. Only Humanoids, Giants, Monstrous Humanoids, Elementals, Fey, Outsiders, and Undead are proficient in whatever armor they are listed as wearing. All other are not proficient in armor at all. Even so, the character entry part says it is proficient and every rule has exceptions. Of course, that is very useful info either way. Thanx! :D (The list of types with those proficiencies that is...) (I like to think I know my dragons. lol)
Gez 09-07-04, 05:36 PM	... the Dracotaur (sans fluff) is highly reminiscent of the the spelljammer Dracon. And of the Trogodon from Creature Collection 1 (though they're more "crocotaurs" with a croco head than draconic centaurs).
Wolf72 09-07-04, 07:30 PM	And of the Trogodon from Creature Collection 1 (though they're more "crocotaurs" with a croco head than draconic centaurs). don't know that one ... *wolf adds CC1 & 2 to wish list*
Wolf72 09-07-04, 07:33 PM	You can take any monster and make it seem that way compared to at least one other kind of monster. lol yeah, but the dracotaur (sans fluff) is a dead ringer for the Dracon ... *see Gez's post below* ... you are correct though *wolf still wants some update books (96 pgs or so) for the older campaign settings ... and no the dragon/dungeon mag's don't quite cut it*
Gez 09-08-04, 03:49 AM	don't know that one ... *wolf adds CC1 & 2 to wish list* Go for Creature Collection Revised, not CC1. Best you take the 3.5 updated book, as the 3.0 was disgraced by bogus rules and crappy art; two problems that have been fixed in CCR. And there's a CC3 also, it's kinda nifty, I even contributed one monster to it! And two monsters for the upcoming CC4; which I think will be the last of the series.
Wolf72 09-08-04, 07:51 PM	... CCR. ... *wolf sings ... badly* Have you ever seeeeen the rain ... (thanks for the updates)
Rashiko 09-09-04, 02:27 PM	Go for Creature Collection Revised, not CC1. Best you take the 3.5 updated book, as the 3.0 was disgraced by bogus rules and crappy art; two problems that have been fixed in CCR. And there's a CC3 also, it's kinda nifty, I even contributed one monster to it! And two monsters for the upcoming CC4; which I think will be the last of the series. You contributed monsters? Cool!