dragon + halfdragon =? [Archive] - Wizards Community

dragon + halfdragon =? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
homey188
10-05-05, 08:51 PM out of curiosity and possibly my next dungeon boss:
my first question is in the titel,maybe a halfdragon with 10 free dragon disiple levels.
My second question is: is it possible for a half-dragon dragon?I mean like a half copper silver or something. I was wondering because I thought that a silver dragon with acid breath would really confuse players , wouldnt it?
:dragon:
Kothardarastrix
10-05-05, 09:25 PM Reread the Dragon Disciple entry, anything of the Dragon Type cannot be a Dragon Disciple.
DraconsNighthawk
10-05-05, 09:26 PM Not to mention that under half-dragon, dragon isn't one of the allowed subtypes. Jebus man, read the rules before orgasming over power races. Powergamer...
Insanity
10-05-05, 09:44 PM Not to mention that under half-dragon, dragon isn't one of the allowed subtypes. Jebus man, read the rules before orgasming over power races. Powergamer...

What do you mean? Under the Half-Dragon template description it states "Half-dragon is an inherited template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature..." My understanding is that, any undead or incorporeal creature can't be the base creature, definitely does not specifically disallow dragons.
Rastan3
10-06-05, 01:45 AM Look folks, it's not a matter of game statistics, it's a matter of genetics. If a half dragon and a dragon mate, some offspring will be half dragon-half whatever the other grandperent was, and others will be full dragons (with just a trace of whatever it was).

You cannot apply the same template multiple times.

Human + Dragon = 100% Half-Dragons
Half-Dragon + Dragon = 50% Half-Dragons + 50% Dragons
Half-Dargon + Human = 50% Half Dragon + 50% Human
Half-Dragon + Half-Dragon = 25% Human + 50% Half-Dragon + 25% Dragon

P.S. Everyone gets a scorcerous casting ability.
Kothardarastrix
10-06-05, 04:47 AM Genetics are a bit off mate, Two Half Dragons equals a Half Dragon
Slagger the Chuul
10-06-05, 01:51 PM To answer the second part of the original question: Yes, you can add the half-dragon template to a dragon (at least in 3.5); how you explain this unusual creature coming to exist is your own problem.

For the first part of the original question, you could use the Draconic creature template from the Draconomicon if you really need something specific to describe the offspring of a half-dragon and dragon, but it probably won't be worth it.
Purkake
10-06-05, 02:00 PM Dude, that is like a Half-Human Human, I'm not even gonna think how you make those...

Try to get one of them Hybrid templates, there should be a good one in the monster archive.
eonblueapocalypse
10-06-05, 02:31 PM I dont believe most of the people who have posed replys to this thread completely understand what the original authors intent was.

Basically heres how it boils down:

Say a Blue Dragon and a Green Dragon mate(note NOT a half-dragon and a dragon). What would be the outcome, would you get a new variety of dragon with similar abilities of both types of dragons. I believe the author is asking if you can apply the Half-Dragon Template to another dragon to get a half-breed between dragons.........using the example above say the Blue and Green Dragons mate, would it be possable to have a Half-Green/Half-Blue Dragon, accomplishing this by taking the original dragons(either blue or green) and adding the Half-Dragon Template of the other parent(either blue or green). Saying so I would say yes this is possable, although I would have no clue how to adjust the CR of this monster. Anyone remember the Brown Dragons? They were supposed to be originally a half-breed of two other varieties of dragons(cant remember off hand which one).

Oh and about the Half-Human Human thing, that is completely possable. If someone of Nubian decent and Caucasian decent were to have a child you would have a Half-Human Human. The newborn would still be a human, but he would be composed of two different races of humans, which is exactly the same thing the author is trying to accomplish with the Dragons.
Purkake
10-06-05, 03:02 PM A white dragon and a red dragon mating? Ouch!
Wyrd Bearer
10-06-05, 03:56 PM Yes, you can feasibly add the half-dragon template to an existing dragon. My favorite is the half-red, gold dragon who doesn't know which calling to listen to (mostly because the DM asked me to play one for that 2ed campaign called Council of Wyrms or something similar).

In 3ed, it gets a bit odd as the half-dragon template makes the existing dragon stronger than equivalent aged dragons, which I guess could be explained by the merging of draconic blood gives you a powerful dragon-champian.

If you search the forums, someone came up with an awsome half-dragon dragon template that works pretty well for fixing the above issue.
Lyinginbedmon
10-06-05, 04:10 PM Mathematically, you have 3/2 Dragon and 1/2 Human

So, that's (In one person):

100% Dragon [2 in 4 chance]
50% Dragon & 50% Human [2 in 4 chance]

So that's a 50% chance for either combination
Bob the Great
10-06-05, 04:35 PM Mathematically, you have 3/2 Dragon and 1/2 Human

So are you telling me that if a chinese person and an indian person mate, the offspring will be 100% chinese, 100% indian? You divide by two.
Back to the post...
RAW, a normal dragon with the half dragon template would work. You get a normal dragon of the base color, with some special abilities from the template.
Such a creature would be 50% of the full dragon's race, 25% of the halfdragon fathers race, and 25% of the halfdragons mothers race.
Lord Doombringer
10-06-05, 05:26 PM Purple Dragon (Dragon Compendium Vol. 1 by Paizo)+Gold Dragon=Spyro!
o_O

(Oh, and homey188, Bomberman is a PrC! :P )
Kothardarastrix
10-06-05, 06:39 PM Well I made a rule of averaging the abilities of the two dragon types,
Slagger the Chuul
10-06-05, 11:32 PM A white dragon and a red dragon mating? Ouch!

Which reminds us that, considering its parents, any pink dragon will almost certainly be evil.

Pink is the new black. :)
RavinRay
10-07-05, 08:41 AM If you search the forums, someone came up with an awsome half-dragon dragon template that works pretty well for fixing the above issue.
I remember that thread, Wyrd Bearer, and reading through it again we had quite an interesting discussion.

Here's the link to my hybrid dragon template (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6848820&postcount=22). I'm actually thinking of adding variants as regards immunities and breath weapons.

And yes, the half-dragon template can be applied to lesser dragons with no problem. There's a half-brass dragon/half-wyvern in the half-dragon web enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031128a) for the Draconomicon.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
homey188 10-05-05, 08:51 PM	out of curiosity and possibly my next dungeon boss: my first question is in the titel,maybe a halfdragon with 10 free dragon disiple levels. My second question is: is it possible for a half-dragon dragon?I mean like a half copper silver or something. I was wondering because I thought that a silver dragon with acid breath would really confuse players , wouldnt it? :dragon:
Kothardarastrix 10-05-05, 09:25 PM	Reread the Dragon Disciple entry, anything of the Dragon Type cannot be a Dragon Disciple.
DraconsNighthawk 10-05-05, 09:26 PM	Not to mention that under half-dragon, dragon isn't one of the allowed subtypes. Jebus man, read the rules before orgasming over power races. Powergamer...
Insanity 10-05-05, 09:44 PM	Not to mention that under half-dragon, dragon isn't one of the allowed subtypes. Jebus man, read the rules before orgasming over power races. Powergamer... What do you mean? Under the Half-Dragon template description it states "Half-dragon is an inherited template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature..." My understanding is that, any undead or incorporeal creature can't be the base creature, definitely does not specifically disallow dragons.
Rastan3 10-06-05, 01:45 AM	Look folks, it's not a matter of game statistics, it's a matter of genetics. If a half dragon and a dragon mate, some offspring will be half dragon-half whatever the other grandperent was, and others will be full dragons (with just a trace of whatever it was). You cannot apply the same template multiple times. Human + Dragon = 100% Half-Dragons Half-Dragon + Dragon = 50% Half-Dragons + 50% Dragons Half-Dargon + Human = 50% Half Dragon + 50% Human Half-Dragon + Half-Dragon = 25% Human + 50% Half-Dragon + 25% Dragon P.S. Everyone gets a scorcerous casting ability.
Kothardarastrix 10-06-05, 04:47 AM	Genetics are a bit off mate, Two Half Dragons equals a Half Dragon
Slagger the Chuul 10-06-05, 01:51 PM	To answer the second part of the original question: Yes, you can add the half-dragon template to a dragon (at least in 3.5); how you explain this unusual creature coming to exist is your own problem. For the first part of the original question, you could use the Draconic creature template from the Draconomicon if you really need something specific to describe the offspring of a half-dragon and dragon, but it probably won't be worth it.
Purkake 10-06-05, 02:00 PM	Dude, that is like a Half-Human Human, I'm not even gonna think how you make those... Try to get one of them Hybrid templates, there should be a good one in the monster archive.
eonblueapocalypse 10-06-05, 02:31 PM	I dont believe most of the people who have posed replys to this thread completely understand what the original authors intent was. Basically heres how it boils down: Say a Blue Dragon and a Green Dragon mate(note NOT a half-dragon and a dragon). What would be the outcome, would you get a new variety of dragon with similar abilities of both types of dragons. I believe the author is asking if you can apply the Half-Dragon Template to another dragon to get a half-breed between dragons.........using the example above say the Blue and Green Dragons mate, would it be possable to have a Half-Green/Half-Blue Dragon, accomplishing this by taking the original dragons(either blue or green) and adding the Half-Dragon Template of the other parent(either blue or green). Saying so I would say yes this is possable, although I would have no clue how to adjust the CR of this monster. Anyone remember the Brown Dragons? They were supposed to be originally a half-breed of two other varieties of dragons(cant remember off hand which one). Oh and about the Half-Human Human thing, that is completely possable. If someone of Nubian decent and Caucasian decent were to have a child you would have a Half-Human Human. The newborn would still be a human, but he would be composed of two different races of humans, which is exactly the same thing the author is trying to accomplish with the Dragons.
Purkake 10-06-05, 03:02 PM	A white dragon and a red dragon mating? Ouch!
Wyrd Bearer 10-06-05, 03:56 PM	Yes, you can feasibly add the half-dragon template to an existing dragon. My favorite is the half-red, gold dragon who doesn't know which calling to listen to (mostly because the DM asked me to play one for that 2ed campaign called Council of Wyrms or something similar). In 3ed, it gets a bit odd as the half-dragon template makes the existing dragon stronger than equivalent aged dragons, which I guess could be explained by the merging of draconic blood gives you a powerful dragon-champian. If you search the forums, someone came up with an awsome half-dragon dragon template that works pretty well for fixing the above issue.
Lyinginbedmon 10-06-05, 04:10 PM	Mathematically, you have 3/2 Dragon and 1/2 Human So, that's (In one person): 100% Dragon [2 in 4 chance] 50% Dragon & 50% Human [2 in 4 chance] So that's a 50% chance for either combination
Bob the Great 10-06-05, 04:35 PM	Mathematically, you have 3/2 Dragon and 1/2 Human So are you telling me that if a chinese person and an indian person mate, the offspring will be 100% chinese, 100% indian? You divide by two. Back to the post... RAW, a normal dragon with the half dragon template would work. You get a normal dragon of the base color, with some special abilities from the template. Such a creature would be 50% of the full dragon's race, 25% of the halfdragon fathers race, and 25% of the halfdragons mothers race.
Lord Doombringer 10-06-05, 05:26 PM	Purple Dragon (Dragon Compendium Vol. 1 by Paizo)+Gold Dragon=Spyro! o_O (Oh, and homey188, Bomberman is a PrC! :P )
Kothardarastrix 10-06-05, 06:39 PM	Well I made a rule of averaging the abilities of the two dragon types,
Slagger the Chuul 10-06-05, 11:32 PM	A white dragon and a red dragon mating? Ouch! Which reminds us that, considering its parents, any pink dragon will almost certainly be evil. Pink is the new black. :)
RavinRay 10-07-05, 08:41 AM	If you search the forums, someone came up with an awsome half-dragon dragon template that works pretty well for fixing the above issue. I remember that thread, Wyrd Bearer, and reading through it again we had quite an interesting discussion. Here's the link to my hybrid dragon template (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=6848820&postcount=22). I'm actually thinking of adding variants as regards immunities and breath weapons. And yes, the half-dragon template can be applied to lesser dragons with no problem. There's a half-brass dragon/half-wyvern in the half-dragon web enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20031128a) for the Draconomicon.