Dragon Lich? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragon Lich? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Aragorn3001
12-16-05, 12:48 AM Ok, I thought it'd be fun to throw a dragon lich at my party, but when I go and look at my MM, it says that the template is for humanoids, but that there are Lich Dragons. Where whould I go aobut finding said template? MM2 or 3? Or in the Draconomicon, or am I just barking up the wrong tree - as in there really is no template, the MM just says they're "out there." Help, please?
Seraph of Babel
12-16-05, 12:53 AM Draconomicon (v3.5); Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (v3.0).
Aragorn3001
12-16-05, 12:59 AM thanks for the help, man.
obrysii
12-16-05, 10:18 AM However, the Dracolich is very weak compared to a normal Lich.

If you want to be sadistic, make the dragon a Walker in the Waste 10. That way it becomes a Dry Lich.

Or, since you're the DM, just make it a normal Lich. Nothing can stop you.
Sarlax
12-16-05, 09:04 PM As noted, the dracolich is a pretty weak template. I'd use the standard lich array, perhaps with modifications to represent the dragon's nature.

Perhaps the phylactery is the dragon's hoard. A dragon lich returns to existence 1d10 days after its destruction only if its hoard is at least ... 10% intact. That is, unless a pile of coins from its hoard (at the time of destruction) equalling 10% of the total original value still exists, the dragon can't return. If enough of the hoard is reuinited, the dragon lich reforms, even if centuries have passed.

Perhaps the hoared phylactery, rather than being the entire hoard, is made up of a few hundred special coins, made of a material suited to the dragon.
greatmoat
12-17-05, 09:48 AM What if a dragon (or another type of non-humanoid monster) polymorphs into a humanoid, and then successfully completes the lichdom ritual (whatever it is)?

They die, change back into their original form and get raised as a lich of the appropriate type (?) The phylactery in this case might be anything designated by the caster, including a dragon's hoard. A dragon attempting such an outcome would be well advised to invest in furniture, tapestry and other exotic items that won't be easily hauled out by adventurers.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Aragorn3001 12-16-05, 12:48 AM	Ok, I thought it'd be fun to throw a dragon lich at my party, but when I go and look at my MM, it says that the template is for humanoids, but that there are Lich Dragons. Where whould I go aobut finding said template? MM2 or 3? Or in the Draconomicon, or am I just barking up the wrong tree - as in there really is no template, the MM just says they're "out there." Help, please?
Seraph of Babel 12-16-05, 12:53 AM	Draconomicon (v3.5); Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (v3.0).
Aragorn3001 12-16-05, 12:59 AM	thanks for the help, man.
obrysii 12-16-05, 10:18 AM	However, the Dracolich is very weak compared to a normal Lich. If you want to be sadistic, make the dragon a Walker in the Waste 10. That way it becomes a Dry Lich. Or, since you're the DM, just make it a normal Lich. Nothing can stop you.
Sarlax 12-16-05, 09:04 PM	As noted, the dracolich is a pretty weak template. I'd use the standard lich array, perhaps with modifications to represent the dragon's nature. Perhaps the phylactery is the dragon's hoard. A dragon lich returns to existence 1d10 days after its destruction only if its hoard is at least ... 10% intact. That is, unless a pile of coins from its hoard (at the time of destruction) equalling 10% of the total original value still exists, the dragon can't return. If enough of the hoard is reuinited, the dragon lich reforms, even if centuries have passed. Perhaps the hoared phylactery, rather than being the entire hoard, is made up of a few hundred special coins, made of a material suited to the dragon.
greatmoat 12-17-05, 09:48 AM	What if a dragon (or another type of non-humanoid monster) polymorphs into a humanoid, and then successfully completes the lichdom ritual (whatever it is)? They die, change back into their original form and get raised as a lich of the appropriate type (?) The phylactery in this case might be anything designated by the caster, including a dragon's hoard. A dragon attempting such an outcome would be well advised to invest in furniture, tapestry and other exotic items that won't be easily hauled out by adventurers.