Dragons and their attacks.. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragons and their attacks.. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Selgard
07-17-06, 10:23 AM Hallo :)

thanks in advance for helpful information.

I've been tryin to find the answer to this question, and hopefully some of you who are wiser than I can help.

What Is the attack line of a (for example) great wyrm dragon?
in the MM and such it lists:
bite, 2 claw, 2 wing, tail, crush, tail sweep.
It then lists the damage for such.

Does this mean the attack line is:
bite, claw, claw, wing, wing, tail, crush, tail sweep, for 8 attacks?
or bite/claw/wing/tail/crush/tail sweep

Some feats in the Draconomicon seem to suggest it should be claw/claw and wing/wing (the claw rend feat in particular- pardon as the precise name escapes me at the moment)

Thanks again in advance for any help you can provide.
Thiez
07-17-06, 10:29 AM Full round action = 8 attacks, yes.

Players are afraid of dragons, they have very good reasons.
Derren S.
07-18-06, 02:05 AM 7 attacks. Tail sweep is a special attack which can't be performed as part of a full attack. The rest is correct.
ieattrollsforbreakfast
07-18-06, 05:53 AM 6 attacks, Crush is a special attack as well. The dragon can do:
1 bite, 2 claws, 2 wings, 1 tail slap or
Crush or
Tail Sweep.
Derren S.
07-18-06, 10:58 AM Yes, sorry. I overlooked the crush attack.
savant_warlord13
07-18-06, 01:30 PM Another question:

As near as I can tell, a flying dragon could make a crush and tail sweep attack in the same turn without using haste or anything. Did I overlook something?
ieattrollsforbreakfast
07-18-06, 01:37 PM Another question:

As near as I can tell, a flying dragon could make a crush and tail sweep attack in the same turn without using haste or anything. Did I overlook something?

Both crush and tail sweeps are described as being standard actions. Since you can only take 1 standard action a round, both cannot be attempted without magical help.
savant_warlord13
07-18-06, 02:03 PM Both crush and tail sweeps are described as being standard actions. Since you can only take 1 standard action a round, both cannot be attempted without magical help.
Okay, I could not find anything saying they were standard actions in the Draconomicon
thedmstrikes
07-23-06, 02:37 PM These actions are fully described in the Monster manual under Dragon. They are standard actions and thus can not be combined with a full attack without magical assistance.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Selgard 07-17-06, 10:23 AM	Hallo :) thanks in advance for helpful information. I've been tryin to find the answer to this question, and hopefully some of you who are wiser than I can help. What Is the attack line of a (for example) great wyrm dragon? in the MM and such it lists: bite, 2 claw, 2 wing, tail, crush, tail sweep. It then lists the damage for such. Does this mean the attack line is: bite, claw, claw, wing, wing, tail, crush, tail sweep, for 8 attacks? or bite/claw/wing/tail/crush/tail sweep Some feats in the Draconomicon seem to suggest it should be claw/claw and wing/wing (the claw rend feat in particular- pardon as the precise name escapes me at the moment) Thanks again in advance for any help you can provide.
Thiez 07-17-06, 10:29 AM	Full round action = 8 attacks, yes. Players are afraid of dragons, they have very good reasons.
Derren S. 07-18-06, 02:05 AM	7 attacks. Tail sweep is a special attack which can't be performed as part of a full attack. The rest is correct.
ieattrollsforbreakfast 07-18-06, 05:53 AM	6 attacks, Crush is a special attack as well. The dragon can do: 1 bite, 2 claws, 2 wings, 1 tail slap or Crush or Tail Sweep.
Derren S. 07-18-06, 10:58 AM	Yes, sorry. I overlooked the crush attack.
savant_warlord13 07-18-06, 01:30 PM	Another question: As near as I can tell, a flying dragon could make a crush and tail sweep attack in the same turn without using haste or anything. Did I overlook something?
ieattrollsforbreakfast 07-18-06, 01:37 PM	Another question: As near as I can tell, a flying dragon could make a crush and tail sweep attack in the same turn without using haste or anything. Did I overlook something? Both crush and tail sweeps are described as being standard actions. Since you can only take 1 standard action a round, both cannot be attempted without magical help.
savant_warlord13 07-18-06, 02:03 PM	Both crush and tail sweeps are described as being standard actions. Since you can only take 1 standard action a round, both cannot be attempted without magical help. Okay, I could not find anything saying they were standard actions in the Draconomicon
thedmstrikes 07-23-06, 02:37 PM	These actions are fully described in the Monster manual under Dragon. They are standard actions and thus can not be combined with a full attack without magical assistance.