Dragons and weapons [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragons and weapons [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
hensteeth
08-02-05, 09:56 AM Can dragons use weapons? Such as maces, swords etc?
Pippa
08-02-05, 10:45 AM In dragon-form, I think not. Unless they animate weapons, I guess.
There's polymorph, too. But why would you do that if you've got a breath-weapon?
obrysii
08-02-05, 11:10 AM Well. They can cast spells without special feats (surrogate spellcasting) so they could potentially use weapons. They can also use wands, staffs, and rods without problem in their hands...and they're weapon-like.

If that doesn't work, they can get Grasping weapons or a pair of Gloves of Man.

But I think most dragons would rather just use their claws.
d_nychus
08-02-05, 12:39 PM According to the Draconomicon, a dragon cannot use a weapon with its claws, nor can it use staffs and rods that are used as weapons (rod of lordly might, etc.).

Even if a dragon assumes a form that can use the weapons, a dragon is nonproficient.
Kothardarastrix
08-06-05, 12:37 AM I'd say a dragon could have weapons specifically made for him or herself.
Derren S.
08-06-05, 07:08 AM According to the Draconomicon, a dragon cannot use a weapon with its claws, nor can it use staffs and rods that are used as weapons (rod of lordly might, etc.).

Even if a dragon assumes a form that can use the weapons, a dragon is nonproficient.

A dragon who can alter self is proficient with simple weapons.

And a dragon can use custom made weapons like Claws of the Ripper, but they, other than normal weapons, only increase the damage of their natural attacks.
runestar
08-06-05, 08:32 AM Forget weapons, equipment or treasure. Give it VOP and see your (evil)party weep.
JiCi
08-06-05, 09:32 AM Why do you want a weapon-wielding dragon ? A true dragon can dish out a whole lot of damage only with its natural weapons, in addition of its breath weapon and spells.
obrysii
08-06-05, 09:53 AM Probably likes the idea of a Dragon with Wield Oversized Weapon holding a Colossal + greatsword (or better, Mercurial Greatsword) while using the multi-arm spell, thereby getting strength x 2.5. At 51 Str (47 from Great Wyrm Gold Dragon + Bull's Strength), that would deal 10d6+50 damage.

So they're have in a single attack round, when hovering, using standard Hover rules or the Fly spell:

Mercurial Greatsword +61/+56/+51/+46, Bite +61, 2 Wings +56, 2 Claws +56, Tail Slap +56

Assuming all hit, 40d6+200+6d8+30+12d6+35 or an average of 474 damage.

This assumes a Great Gold Wyrm with Bull's Strength and that Multi-Arm spell cast upon itself while using a Skillful Grasping Mercurial Greatsword.

My calculations might be off. It's awefully hard to do such things off the top of your head ;)
Cyric
08-06-05, 07:10 PM Or maybe likes the idea of a 1500 year old dragon doing whatever the heck it wants, like wielding a colossal + mercurial greatsword.
Kothardarastrix
08-07-05, 05:59 AM Give him like a +300 and give him every beneficial enchantment for it

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
hensteeth 08-02-05, 09:56 AM	Can dragons use weapons? Such as maces, swords etc?
Pippa 08-02-05, 10:45 AM	In dragon-form, I think not. Unless they animate weapons, I guess. There's polymorph, too. But why would you do that if you've got a breath-weapon?
obrysii 08-02-05, 11:10 AM	Well. They can cast spells without special feats (surrogate spellcasting) so they could potentially use weapons. They can also use wands, staffs, and rods without problem in their hands...and they're weapon-like. If that doesn't work, they can get Grasping weapons or a pair of Gloves of Man. But I think most dragons would rather just use their claws.
d_nychus 08-02-05, 12:39 PM	According to the Draconomicon, a dragon cannot use a weapon with its claws, nor can it use staffs and rods that are used as weapons (rod of lordly might, etc.). Even if a dragon assumes a form that can use the weapons, a dragon is nonproficient.
Kothardarastrix 08-06-05, 12:37 AM	I'd say a dragon could have weapons specifically made for him or herself.
Derren S. 08-06-05, 07:08 AM	According to the Draconomicon, a dragon cannot use a weapon with its claws, nor can it use staffs and rods that are used as weapons (rod of lordly might, etc.). Even if a dragon assumes a form that can use the weapons, a dragon is nonproficient. A dragon who can alter self is proficient with simple weapons. And a dragon can use custom made weapons like Claws of the Ripper, but they, other than normal weapons, only increase the damage of their natural attacks.
runestar 08-06-05, 08:32 AM	Forget weapons, equipment or treasure. Give it VOP and see your (evil)party weep.
JiCi 08-06-05, 09:32 AM	Why do you want a weapon-wielding dragon ? A true dragon can dish out a whole lot of damage only with its natural weapons, in addition of its breath weapon and spells.
obrysii 08-06-05, 09:53 AM	Probably likes the idea of a Dragon with Wield Oversized Weapon holding a Colossal + greatsword (or better, Mercurial Greatsword) while using the multi-arm spell, thereby getting strength x 2.5. At 51 Str (47 from Great Wyrm Gold Dragon + Bull's Strength), that would deal 10d6+50 damage. So they're have in a single attack round, when hovering, using standard Hover rules or the Fly spell: Mercurial Greatsword +61/+56/+51/+46, Bite +61, 2 Wings +56, 2 Claws +56, Tail Slap +56 Assuming all hit, 40d6+200+6d8+30+12d6+35 or an average of 474 damage. This assumes a Great Gold Wyrm with Bull's Strength and that Multi-Arm spell cast upon itself while using a Skillful Grasping Mercurial Greatsword. My calculations might be off. It's awefully hard to do such things off the top of your head ;)
Cyric 08-06-05, 07:10 PM	Or maybe likes the idea of a 1500 year old dragon doing whatever the heck it wants, like wielding a colossal + mercurial greatsword.
Kothardarastrix 08-07-05, 05:59 AM	Give him like a +300 and give him every beneficial enchantment for it