Dragons of difrent types mating =? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragons of difrent types mating =? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ahiman
05-15-06, 06:07 PM We all know what happens when a dragon mates with a human or an elf or even a house cat. But what happens when 2 dragons of different types mate (say a green and gold)? Is it half and half, or just one colour and if so which and how do we figure that out, or does nothing happen?

Thanks
Athanatos
05-15-06, 06:23 PM One system involves applying the half-dragon template of the mother to the father's type. Rather lame, as a Gold Dragon can gain +8 strength by mating with a white dragon through it.

I prefer to simply average out the stats, give it both breath weapons (albeit weaker ones), SLAs of both (but, again, gained slower), resistances and movement types of both, etc. It's rather complicated, though, so it may not actually be the best way to go around handling the dragon dilemma.
ahiman
05-15-06, 09:52 PM well I have been thinking of it and I figure that they have to be able to have children with other dragons as they can mate with every thing else in the world (probably even plants). So then you have 2 choices either they make a half green half gold dragon (not likely as we would have seen of at least on by now) or it comes out as the most powerful of the 2. Now I know this is a stupid and arbitrary rule but what else is new in D&D?

But wouldn't it rock to have a half red half black dragon? Yeah...
Wonton2006
05-15-06, 10:02 PM I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;)
Kothardarastrix
05-15-06, 10:14 PM If you'd like I'll make a Purple Great Wyrm for you, in fact I still have stats for my Maroon Dragon (Red and Black).

Here's the Maroon...

Great Wyrm Maroon Dragon
Colossal Dragon (Fire, Water)
Hit Dice: 39d12+351 (598)
Initiative: +4
Speed: 50 ft., fly 200 ft. (clumsy), swim 30ft.
Armor Class: 40 (-8 size, +38 Natural), Touch 2, Flat-Footed 40
Base Attack/Grapple: +39/+70
Attack: +55 Melee (4d8+15, Bite), +50 Melee (4d6+7, 2 Claws), +49 Melee (2d8+17, 2 Wings), +49 Melee (4d6+30, Tail Slap)
Full Attack: +55 Bite and +50/+50 Claws and +49/+49 Wings and +49 Tail Slap
Space/reach: 30 ft./20 ft. (30 ft. with Bite)
Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Crush, Frightful Presence, Spell-like Abilities, Spells, Tail Sweep
Special Qualities: Damage Reduction 20/magic, Darkvision 120 ft., Immunity to acid, fire, paralysis, poison, and sleep attacks; low-light vision, special resistances, spell-resistance 30, vulnerable to cold
Saves: Fort +30, Ref +21, Will +28
Abilities: Str 41, Dex 10, Con 29, Int 23, Wis 24, Cha 23
Skills: Appraise +38, Bluff +37, Concentration +40, Diplomacy +37, Escape Artist +31, Hide +31, Intimidate +37, Jump +46, Listen +40, Move Silently +31, Search +37, Sense Motive +38, Spellcraft +7, Spot +40, Swim +46, Use Magic Device +37
Feats: Alertness, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Casting, Flyby Attack, Hover, Improved Initiative, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Snatch, Wingover, Weapon Focus (Bite), Weapon Focus (Claw)
Environment: Warm Marshes or Mountains
Organization: Solitary, Pair, or family (1-2 plus 2-4 offspring)
Challenge Rating: 24
Treasure: Triple Standard
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Advancement: Great Wyrm 39+ HD

Breath Weapon (Su): 70-ft cone of scalding acidic gas, damage 12d10 fire 12d10 Acid, Reflex DC 35 for half
Crush (Ex): Area 30 ft. by 30 ft; Large or smaller opponents take 4d8+60 points of bludgeoning damage, and must succeed on a DC 35 Reflex save or be pinned; grapple bonus +70.
Frightful Presence (Ex): 360-ft. radius, HD 38 or less, Will DC 35 negates.
Special Resistances (Ex): Maroon Dragons take half damage from acid and/or fire attacks.
Spell-like Abilities: 3/day- darkness, suggestion, insect plague, charm reptiles; 1/day- corrupt water. Caster level 18th; save DC 18+spell level
Spells: As 18th-level Sorcerer.
Tail Sweep (Ex): Half-Circle 40 ft. in diameter, Medium or smaller opponents take 2d8+30 points of bludgeoning damage, Reflex DC 53 for half.
.Water Breathing (Ex): A maroon dragon can breathe underwater indefinitely and can freely use its breath weapon, spells, and other abilities while submerged.
kire024
05-15-06, 10:20 PM As Athanatos said the easiest way would to be the half-dragon template, but that does have its drawbacks as much as anything.
kdyal
05-16-06, 12:38 AM I always go with adding the appropriate half-dragon template to the more powerful of the dragons (hybrid vigor). But other than the outlook differences making these pairings problematic, I figure that 80% of the eggs are sterile. Would you pursue a relationship that is almost guaranteed to produce stillborn children?
MasterGrazzt
05-16-06, 01:48 AM I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;)

There are. They were detailed in an issue of Dragon Magazine... Unfortunately, I forget everything about them. I'm looking, though! :)
RavinRay
05-16-06, 05:34 AM Well, the official orange, purple, and yellow dragons (the missing chromatics) have been updated to 3.5 in Paizo's Dragon Compendium Volume I (http://paizo.com/dragon/products/books/v5748btpy7dxa). And, depending on the genetics of your world, you can give them the half-dragon template (not my personal choice), or do what Athanatos (and I) did: average the stats and use combinations of special abilities/attacks. I did a template for this in an older thread.
Maraxus
05-16-06, 05:50 AM *sniff*
If red dragons are evil, and white dragons are evil, this means, pink dragons are evil, too? I don't want pink dragons to be evil, they are to cute!
MasterGrazzt
05-16-06, 05:53 AM There's also brown dragons. :)
MinionOfCthulhu
05-16-06, 11:22 AM Dragons of a different type mating leads to a terribly powerful hybrid being born. That's why you gotta smack Lady Vox on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper and tell her "No!"
It took us forever to get the Sleeper back to bed.
digoraccoon
05-16-06, 03:19 PM I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;)
www.arbitercomic.com :D

What I do for hybrids is roll a 50-50 percentile for the newborn dragon in the following 5 catagories to see what he/she inherits from each parent:
Color
Size/HD Progression
Breath Weapon
Spell Casting Progression
Special Abilities

Other details I can fudge in from there. :) For example I have a hybrid red/gold dragon as a benevolent queen of a kingdom. Has all the abilities of a red, but the breath weapons and special abilities of the gold dragon.
savant_warlord13
05-16-06, 04:49 PM I have been working on this, statting up hybrid dragons individually. However, I forgot about it. To do this, I changed green dragons into yellow dragons, brass dragons into tin dragons, and bronze dragons into iron dragons. This way, you use either a secondary color or a light or dark color for chromatic dragons, and you use an alloy for metallic dragons. Breedings between metallic and chromatic dragons will result in use of the half dragon template.

How it works:

1. I approximate an average for size and ability scores
2. I use a hybrid breath weapon (for instance, tungusta dragons [gold copper hybrids] have a thin cone of boiling acid. half of the damage is fire, half is acid
3. I make up new spell like abilities similar to those of the parents
4. I post it on the boards to get a CR
Wonton2006
05-16-06, 07:19 PM Let's see.. all possible combinations of chromatic dragons (since i have no clue as to what something mixed with COPPER would be)

White + Black = Grey
White + Green = Light green
White + Blue = Light blue
White + Red = Pink

Black + Green = erm... dark green?
Black + Blue = Dark blue
Black + Red = Deep, deep, crimson, blood red

Green + Blue = Cyan (or Aquamarine) (or Turquoise)
Green + Red = Brown

Blue + Red = Purple :D

Brown and purple top the list, I'd say.

I just hope no one with an arts degree comes in here to correct me. ("Green + Red isn't brown! It actually forms a special shade that was named by Da Vinci...")
dengarbountyhunter
05-16-06, 07:28 PM :D what does a chimeric dragon look like? and a half-dragon chimera (if it is possible, if not just tell me how you'd see them)? :D
Kothardarastrix
05-17-06, 01:47 AM While it is possible to get Crimson from a Red and a Black coupling, it'd take two generations to make.

Red+Black=Maroon
Maroon+Red=Crimson
RavinRay
05-17-06, 07:41 AM With apologies to artists Todd Lockwood and Dennis Crabapple-McClain, here's a schematic diagram I made of what hybrid chromatic dragons would be named. Note that the names are partly based on the additive color model where red, green and blue are the primary colors (hence the RGB model used by the very monitor you're using to see this).
http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray/dnd/Hybrid-chromatic-dragons.gif
JiCi
05-17-06, 12:23 PM Pink dragon ?

...oh boy :uh-huh:

And there's already a Yellow Dragon, presented in the Dragon Compendium #1.

NightScreamer20 posted somewhere in this board a half-breed template, which might be what's close another type of hybrid.

EDIT: Right here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=222367)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ahiman 05-15-06, 06:07 PM	We all know what happens when a dragon mates with a human or an elf or even a house cat. But what happens when 2 dragons of different types mate (say a green and gold)? Is it half and half, or just one colour and if so which and how do we figure that out, or does nothing happen? Thanks
Athanatos 05-15-06, 06:23 PM	One system involves applying the half-dragon template of the mother to the father's type. Rather lame, as a Gold Dragon can gain +8 strength by mating with a white dragon through it. I prefer to simply average out the stats, give it both breath weapons (albeit weaker ones), SLAs of both (but, again, gained slower), resistances and movement types of both, etc. It's rather complicated, though, so it may not actually be the best way to go around handling the dragon dilemma.
ahiman 05-15-06, 09:52 PM	well I have been thinking of it and I figure that they have to be able to have children with other dragons as they can mate with every thing else in the world (probably even plants). So then you have 2 choices either they make a half green half gold dragon (not likely as we would have seen of at least on by now) or it comes out as the most powerful of the 2. Now I know this is a stupid and arbitrary rule but what else is new in D&D? But wouldn't it rock to have a half red half black dragon? Yeah...
Wonton2006 05-15-06, 10:02 PM	I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;)
Kothardarastrix 05-15-06, 10:14 PM	If you'd like I'll make a Purple Great Wyrm for you, in fact I still have stats for my Maroon Dragon (Red and Black). Here's the Maroon... Great Wyrm Maroon Dragon Colossal Dragon (Fire, Water) Hit Dice: 39d12+351 (598) Initiative: +4 Speed: 50 ft., fly 200 ft. (clumsy), swim 30ft. Armor Class: 40 (-8 size, +38 Natural), Touch 2, Flat-Footed 40 Base Attack/Grapple: +39/+70 Attack: +55 Melee (4d8+15, Bite), +50 Melee (4d6+7, 2 Claws), +49 Melee (2d8+17, 2 Wings), +49 Melee (4d6+30, Tail Slap) Full Attack: +55 Bite and +50/+50 Claws and +49/+49 Wings and +49 Tail Slap Space/reach: 30 ft./20 ft. (30 ft. with Bite) Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Crush, Frightful Presence, Spell-like Abilities, Spells, Tail Sweep Special Qualities: Damage Reduction 20/magic, Darkvision 120 ft., Immunity to acid, fire, paralysis, poison, and sleep attacks; low-light vision, special resistances, spell-resistance 30, vulnerable to cold Saves: Fort +30, Ref +21, Will +28 Abilities: Str 41, Dex 10, Con 29, Int 23, Wis 24, Cha 23 Skills: Appraise +38, Bluff +37, Concentration +40, Diplomacy +37, Escape Artist +31, Hide +31, Intimidate +37, Jump +46, Listen +40, Move Silently +31, Search +37, Sense Motive +38, Spellcraft +7, Spot +40, Swim +46, Use Magic Device +37 Feats: Alertness, Blind-Fight, Cleave, Combat Casting, Flyby Attack, Hover, Improved Initiative, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Snatch, Wingover, Weapon Focus (Bite), Weapon Focus (Claw) Environment: Warm Marshes or Mountains Organization: Solitary, Pair, or family (1-2 plus 2-4 offspring) Challenge Rating: 24 Treasure: Triple Standard Alignment: Chaotic Evil Advancement: Great Wyrm 39+ HD Breath Weapon (Su): 70-ft cone of scalding acidic gas, damage 12d10 fire 12d10 Acid, Reflex DC 35 for half Crush (Ex): Area 30 ft. by 30 ft; Large or smaller opponents take 4d8+60 points of bludgeoning damage, and must succeed on a DC 35 Reflex save or be pinned; grapple bonus +70. Frightful Presence (Ex): 360-ft. radius, HD 38 or less, Will DC 35 negates. Special Resistances (Ex): Maroon Dragons take half damage from acid and/or fire attacks. Spell-like Abilities: 3/day- darkness, suggestion, insect plague, charm reptiles; 1/day- corrupt water. Caster level 18th; save DC 18+spell level Spells: As 18th-level Sorcerer. Tail Sweep (Ex): Half-Circle 40 ft. in diameter, Medium or smaller opponents take 2d8+30 points of bludgeoning damage, Reflex DC 53 for half. .Water Breathing (Ex): A maroon dragon can breathe underwater indefinitely and can freely use its breath weapon, spells, and other abilities while submerged.
kire024 05-15-06, 10:20 PM	As Athanatos said the easiest way would to be the half-dragon template, but that does have its drawbacks as much as anything.
kdyal 05-16-06, 12:38 AM	I always go with adding the appropriate half-dragon template to the more powerful of the dragons (hybrid vigor). But other than the outlook differences making these pairings problematic, I figure that 80% of the eggs are sterile. Would you pursue a relationship that is almost guaranteed to produce stillborn children?
MasterGrazzt 05-16-06, 01:48 AM	I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;) There are. They were detailed in an issue of Dragon Magazine... Unfortunately, I forget everything about them. I'm looking, though! :)
RavinRay 05-16-06, 05:34 AM	Well, the official orange, purple, and yellow dragons (the missing chromatics) have been updated to 3.5 in Paizo's Dragon Compendium Volume I (http://paizo.com/dragon/products/books/v5748btpy7dxa). And, depending on the genetics of your world, you can give them the half-dragon template (not my personal choice), or do what Athanatos (and I) did: average the stats and use combinations of special abilities/attacks. I did a template for this in an older thread.
Maraxus 05-16-06, 05:50 AM	sniff If red dragons are evil, and white dragons are evil, this means, pink dragons are evil, too? I don't want pink dragons to be evil, they are to cute!
MasterGrazzt 05-16-06, 05:53 AM	There's also brown dragons. :)
MinionOfCthulhu 05-16-06, 11:22 AM	Dragons of a different type mating leads to a terribly powerful hybrid being born. That's why you gotta smack Lady Vox on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper and tell her "No!" It took us forever to get the Sleeper back to bed.
digoraccoon 05-16-06, 03:19 PM	I've always wanted to see a purple dragon! ;) www.arbitercomic.com :D What I do for hybrids is roll a 50-50 percentile for the newborn dragon in the following 5 catagories to see what he/she inherits from each parent: Color Size/HD Progression Breath Weapon Spell Casting Progression Special Abilities Other details I can fudge in from there. :) For example I have a hybrid red/gold dragon as a benevolent queen of a kingdom. Has all the abilities of a red, but the breath weapons and special abilities of the gold dragon.
savant_warlord13 05-16-06, 04:49 PM	I have been working on this, statting up hybrid dragons individually. However, I forgot about it. To do this, I changed green dragons into yellow dragons, brass dragons into tin dragons, and bronze dragons into iron dragons. This way, you use either a secondary color or a light or dark color for chromatic dragons, and you use an alloy for metallic dragons. Breedings between metallic and chromatic dragons will result in use of the half dragon template. How it works: 1. I approximate an average for size and ability scores 2. I use a hybrid breath weapon (for instance, tungusta dragons [gold copper hybrids] have a thin cone of boiling acid. half of the damage is fire, half is acid 3. I make up new spell like abilities similar to those of the parents 4. I post it on the boards to get a CR
Wonton2006 05-16-06, 07:19 PM	Let's see.. all possible combinations of chromatic dragons (since i have no clue as to what something mixed with COPPER would be) White + Black = Grey White + Green = Light green White + Blue = Light blue White + Red = Pink Black + Green = erm... dark green? Black + Blue = Dark blue Black + Red = Deep, deep, crimson, blood red Green + Blue = Cyan (or Aquamarine) (or Turquoise) Green + Red = Brown Blue + Red = Purple :D Brown and purple top the list, I'd say. I just hope no one with an arts degree comes in here to correct me. ("Green + Red isn't brown! It actually forms a special shade that was named by Da Vinci...")
dengarbountyhunter 05-16-06, 07:28 PM	:D what does a chimeric dragon look like? and a half-dragon chimera (if it is possible, if not just tell me how you'd see them)? :D
Kothardarastrix 05-17-06, 01:47 AM	While it is possible to get Crimson from a Red and a Black coupling, it'd take two generations to make. Red+Black=Maroon Maroon+Red=Crimson
RavinRay 05-17-06, 07:41 AM	With apologies to artists Todd Lockwood and Dennis Crabapple-McClain, here's a schematic diagram I made of what hybrid chromatic dragons would be named. Note that the names are partly based on the additive color model where red, green and blue are the primary colors (hence the RGB model used by the very monitor you're using to see this). http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray/dnd/Hybrid-chromatic-dragons.gif
JiCi 05-17-06, 12:23 PM	Pink dragon ? ...oh boy :uh-huh: And there's already a Yellow Dragon, presented in the Dragon Compendium #1. NightScreamer20 posted somewhere in this board a half-breed template, which might be what's close another type of hybrid. EDIT: Right here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=222367)