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Vaalingrade Ashland 08-22-03, 11:18 PM	This is a more or less complete ecology of the dragons of Ere. I will update it piece by piece bacause its rather large. Ere Dragon (Moleth' Draco) Huge Dragon Hit Dice: 20d10 (320 hp) Initiative: 0 (Dex) Speed: 80ft., fly 60ft. (perfect) Armor Class: 22 (-8 size, 0 dex, +10 natural armor, +10 deflection) Attack: 2 Claws +15 Melee (1d8), One Bite +10 Melee (2d4) Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Dragon Fury, Empowered Strike Saves: Fort +10, Ref +7, Will +10 Abilities: Str 18, Dex 10, Con 30, Int 25, Wis 15, Cha 20 Environment: any land and underground Organization: solitary Challenge Rating: ? Treasure: standard Alignment: Any Advancement: by character class The dragons of Ere are varied in thier special abilites, as outlined in the individual Dragon entry, but they all share the following: Breath Weapon: Once/ 1d4 rounds, an Ere dragon can unleash a breath weapon of the element described in their entry. This attack deals 20d6 damage +1/HD of the dragon to all creatures in a 50ft line, unless otherwise specified. Dragon Fury: Once/Day, and Ere dragon can show thiere true power with thier dragon Fury ability. Unless other wise specifed, this Ability does 5d6 Damgae to all creatures within 50ft/HD of the dragon Empowered strike: An Ere Dragon may take a Full round action to deal a single, unerring blow. This abilty works like True strike cast by a 20th Level Sorcerer. DR 20/+5 OR dragonsbane Immune to Charm and Dominate Spells Fast Healing 10 Stay tuned for individual dragons
Vaalingrade Ashland 08-27-03, 10:08 PM	Hoard Dragon, Huld’en’slyth (black) Suspecious of all and more disposed to the hoarding instinct of thier kind, Hoard dragons often use polymorph to enter cities for nights of theft and tawdry affairs. As Ere Dragon except: Element for Dragon Fury and Breath weapon are acid Gills: Huld'en'slyth have gills that enable them to breath in water Darkness: a Huld'en'slyth can envoke Darkness (3.0) as a move action. Thin Form: In both their dragon and human form, a Huld'en'slyth has the supernatural ability to fold their metaphysics into extradimensional space. They can flatten thier entire body or just parts to paper thinness. Dimension Door: Huld'en'slyth never face battle head on, instead they use a spell like ability to D. Door as a free action. [b]Half Huld'en'slyth[b] Half black dragons gain a +4 natural Armor, a +4 Str, +2Chr and -4Wis Breath weapon:15ft line of acid that deals 1d4/2HD of the creature Polymorph Self: The 1/2 Dragon can polymorph self into thier humanoid form at will as a move action In 1/2 Dragon form, they are capable of 30ft flight speed (clumsy)
Vaalingrade Ashland 08-27-03, 11:26 PM	Of course comments, fixes and such are always welcome :)
Talen Lee 09-09-03, 12:23 AM	Here's a starting comment; I have a 6th level character who could, quite adequately, beat up your ostensibly CR 25 dragon. 1d8 damage without strength bonus? An AC of _22_? A Wizard of 25th level has a total BAB of +12 - it hits a 22 on a roll of ten. What exactly is the point here - are the dragons in the MM not acceptable, or too hard?
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-09-03, 12:38 AM	CR 25 comes from the sample monster I cut and pasted this from. I didn't know what the CR should be so I figured It would be corrected as we went along (than again, I left this thread for dead weeks ago) My aim in creating them was that I was not happy with DnD dragons (too dumb, powers I didn't like and Stereotypes abounding) I now notice I forgot DR, Charm/Dominate Immunity anf Fast healing when I wrote this. Let me know what you think the Cr should be after I add those (I was aiming for 10 because they really are supposed to be advanced as characters.
Talen Lee 09-09-03, 01:09 AM	Kindly define 'dumb'.
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-09-03, 01:38 AM	animalistic would be a better word. Traditional dragons seem to just be big lizards who collect shinys and eat heroes.
Talen Lee 09-09-03, 01:41 AM	And is this what you feel is a bad thing, or is it a good thing? In the Monster Manual at least, the dragons appear to be very clever creatures indeed.
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-09-03, 01:49 AM	Bad thing. But a lot of the Ere dragon things stem from moving away from alignment stereotypes, which ment a lot of the 'flavor powers' had to go. I also dropped a lot of the metallics, dragon fear and the spell caster levels
Talen Lee 09-11-03, 01:43 AM	And in the process, have very much made them weaker creatures. The problem here is that you have a Fireball Goblin. A Goblin that has 1 hit point, stats of 1 in all but int, which is 3, but an initiative modifier that means 50% of the time, it will move first in the initiative. It can also drop a 20d6 fireball to which it is immune, at ground zero, at will. Now, what challenge rating is this?
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-11-03, 01:49 AM	Well what should I add? Its one thing to tell me it shouldn't be CR X, but another not to tell me either how to get to CR X or telling me that it is CR Z. Come on Talen, you're the only one to respond and apperently, you know your stuff. Lend a hand, please.