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Dragons the coolest? I beg to differ!! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Cyric the Dark Sun
12-13-03, 05:40 PM Well it seems that on these boards, the dragons are revered as the coolest creatures. That dragons are allmighty and that dragon magic, weaponry and gods by far surpasses that of any other. Well I beg to differ!!! Come on! tell all about your hidden fantasies of dragon ass-kicking. Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse.

Join in my foundation: Dragons the coolest? I beg to differ!
JadeFox
12-13-03, 05:43 PM Incubi/Succubi.

For their CR, nothing is better for terminating PC's. :smirk:
Derulbaskul
12-14-03, 04:44 AM Originally posted by JadeFox
For their CR, nothing is better for terminating PC's. :smirk:

That's because their CRs are wrong.

More accurately, dragons are the ONLY monsters where the designers arbitrarily decided to reduce the CRs to take into account the fact that the players would use sound tactics.
Isida Kep'Tukari
12-14-03, 04:48 AM True dat. If I had used a full attack on my strongest most tricked-out PC with a dragon that was one CR below him... he would have been dead three times over. A full attack really isn't an option without having some PC deaths.
Gez
12-14-03, 04:48 AM Dragons are the lords of the game. Their only rivals are dungeons.

(Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.)

But I find sphinxes very classy and cool.
Incenjucar
12-14-03, 04:51 AM *shrugs*

I've been dabbling with immense serpents that are rivals with dragons, and tend to prey on them by slithering in to their lairs, coiling around them to keep them from doing anything, then crushing them in to submission so they can swallow them.
Kain's avatar
12-14-03, 05:00 AM Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.)

All signs point to awesome! ;)
Shifting Master
12-14-03, 09:06 AM Yuan-tis. Who ride dragons :behold:
WizO_Pony
12-14-03, 12:52 PM Originally posted by Cyric the Dark Sun
Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse.

A warpony, with a little help from his paladin cohort. :D
bahamut_0
12-14-03, 01:11 PM Badgers!!!

Beware the badgers. They go unnoticed until one day..........

They stain your weapons with their blood.

PC: Oh my god, what is that!! *slash*
No, my favourite sword, badger blood on it!
*Takes the sword and plunges it through his chest*

Just you wait.....
Ob_Deamon
12-14-03, 01:34 PM Originally posted by bahamut_0
Badgers!!!

Beware the badgers. They go unnoticed until one day..........

They stain your weapons with their blood.

PC: Oh my god, what is that!! *slash*
No, my favourite sword, badger blood on it!
*Takes the sword and plunges it through his chest*

Just you wait.....

:uh-huh: What the... Uhh... Does this even remotely make any sense? I mean— What the— Ahh scew it!

Personally, I'm fond of fiends. And Kobolds. Hugely advanced Kobolds. Kobolds that earn epic levels the title "Rediculous levels". CR 148 Kobolds. Hehehehehehehe...
bahamut_0
12-14-03, 02:34 PM It makes perfect sense and you know it! :D

Seriuosly though, I love the Inevitables. Especially the Koyarut (spelling?). Inevitables rule.

A CR 148 kobold. I've found my next BBEG.... :D
Edymnion
12-14-03, 03:00 PM Originally posted by Kain's avatar
All signs point to awesome! ;) Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal?

The Stronghold Sentinal (http://www.geocities.com/edymnionii/Stronghold_Sentinal.html)
I need to get around to rewriting the description so it doesn't sound so haphazard, but it'll give you the general idea.
Aeolius
12-14-03, 03:10 PM flumphs... :D
Vaalingrade Ashland
12-14-03, 03:37 PM Bigger Dragons. Or a half dragon phoenix :D
Edymnion
12-14-03, 03:53 PM Half Iron Golem Red Dragon!
Half Dragonflesh Golem Black Dragon!
A Fiendish Gold Dragon!
Derulbaskul
12-14-03, 10:45 PM Originally posted by Edymnion
[B]Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal?

Actually, it's spelt "sentinel" ("e" in place of the "a").
Eagle Prince
12-15-03, 02:49 AM I don't know, you'll probably have a tough road ahead of you. Dragons are just that danged cool. Powerful vampires are probably just as cool. Those long desperado fighter-types like Elric, Vampire Hunter D, Aragorn, Conan, etc are sometimes just as cool or even a lot moreso. Werewolves and demons fall a little short. Its hard to say, but I'll go with vampires. They are cool, powerful, and popular just as much so as dragons.
Kain's avatar
12-15-03, 03:04 AM Originally posted by Edymnion
Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal?

The Stronghold Sentinal (http://www.geocities.com/edymnionii/Stronghold_Sentinal.html)
I need to get around to rewriting the description so it doesn't sound so haphazard, but it'll give you the general idea.

LOL, that's awesome! :thumbsup:
Gez
12-15-03, 05:01 AM Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/)
Mr.Waesel
12-15-03, 09:22 AM Originally posted by Edymnion
Half Iron Golem Red Dragon!

then it would lose its healing power :(

A Teflammar Marilith (http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27459)
bahamut_0
12-15-03, 12:02 PM Originally posted by Gez
Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/)

:bounce:
The Swedish Viking
12-15-03, 01:19 PM Hmm...

Half-Dragon Half-fiend Abyssal Shield Guardians armed with +5 Vorpal Greatswords of frost and fire.
Edymnion
12-15-03, 02:49 PM Originally posted by Gez
Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/) :rofl:
No way, didn't you notice? For every snake there are like 50 badgers, shear force of numbers mean the badgers will destroy us all, especially if they start "injesting" all those 'shrooms! :D
El_Machinae
12-15-03, 04:37 PM Lichs are cool. Actively seeking undeath, to augment your magical might, and allow you to have plans that span the centuries.
... that's pretty villainous
ieattrollsforbreakfast
12-15-03, 04:59 PM Trolls are cool. (bet you didnt see that one coming!)
Not only are they fun to fight and DM, but they are so easy to make more dangerous :D
Half-Fiend Troll
Half-Dragon Troll
Half-Fey Troll
Half-Golem Troll
Paragon Troll
Pseudonatural Troll
Easy to template monster mean lots of fun :D
I have found also that a lot of so called 'invulnerable' monsters are based around trolls, thanks to their regeneration.
Lets see now then.....I think a troll could take out a dragon...perhaps.
WizO_Pony
12-15-03, 10:14 PM Originally posted by Edymnion
:rofl:
No way, didn't you notice? For every snake there are like 50 badgers, shear force of numbers mean the badgers will destroy us all, especially if they start "injesting" all those 'shrooms! :D

The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind.
Mr.Waesel
12-16-03, 06:32 AM Originally posted by WizO_Pony
The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind.

They removed obey the crab!!! :eek: :OMG!
incarnadine
12-16-03, 11:00 AM Paragon Shrieker!
bahamut_0
12-16-03, 11:38 AM Originally posted by WizO_Pony
The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind.

Oh my god, I think I just :censored: myself from laughing so much.
Classic...

[Edited for masking. PS: Glad you liked it -Pony]
Northen_Spur
12-16-03, 12:31 PM Originally posted by Gez
Dragons are the lords of the game. Their only rivals are dungeons.

(Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.)

But I find sphinxes very classy and cool.

So I'll just Send Dungeon man after any dragons!

http://ebebaa.fateback.com/art/earthbound/dun_man01.html

The only living man to have turned himself into a living Dungeon
Aceon
12-16-03, 11:36 PM Valheru Dragon Lords (a race of chaotic evil demi-gods) :angel:

'Nuff said!!
Roran
12-17-03, 04:42 PM Ok guys, Dragons look cool. Ive NEVER heard anyone say "Dragons are Almighty" or that CRAP Ok? So when you think of Dragons think of looks not power....... Because im sure a few Knights could bring one down..... Maybe
Cyric the Dark Sun
12-30-03, 08:25 PM :sad: people are misunderstanding my post/foundation. It is a forum for people who does not like dragons very much!:b:
Arilou_skiff
01-02-04, 09:40 AM Originally posted by Aceon
Valheru Dragon Lords (a race of chaotic evil demi-gods) :angel:

'Nuff said!!

Nah, Valheru ain't CE, more like CN.

Things that can kill dragons:

Titanic, Half-Celestial, Paragon, Pseudonatural, Vampiric Badgers.

Solars (well, they could in 2nd. ed.! When Arrows of slaying a save did not allow)
Pennywise
01-02-04, 03:26 PM Originally posted by Gez
Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/) Cant look away...Badger mind control, too strong...
GoodTeletubby
01-02-04, 07:27 PM i'd have to say vaccuum elemental

average body temperature of what? 2-3 kelvin?

that's cool
Willie the Duck
01-03-04, 05:00 PM dragons are definately sacred cows. There are alot about them I don't like:

Spellcaster levels - Why are all dragons spellcasters? I certainly don't remember that from my favorite books. If you want some dragons to cast spells, give them sorcerer levels. Don't make it part of the package.

Blindsense - Why? are dragons half bat (I can see the resemblance, mostly in the wings;))? give them darkvision so they don't need torches and leave it at that. I seem to remember stories of people sneaking past a distracted dragon, now it can't happen.

Spell resistance - They already have rediculous saves, this is just insult after injury.

Genius - Why are all non-white dragons super geniuses. I understand that you might want to have a particular dragon be a super genius, but not all of them. certainly nothing over 18-20 is needed for any of the mental stats, but they all seem to be in the 20-40 range.

and of course

Deliberate CR fudging - CR is supposed to measure how much of a challenge a given encounter. If dragons are supposed to be the best of the best, they should have a commesurately high CR!
KingDubya
03-18-04, 05:17 PM Originally posted by Cyric the Dark Sun
Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse.

i could say that anything could beat a dragon if it were at a high enough level (my little brother could destroy one with his lvl 5 half-orc barbarian), but that would be insulting my fave creature.
IceFractal
03-18-04, 07:33 PM A level 500 commoner of course, who just took the epic feat which increases strength for every feat.
Shiron
03-18-04, 11:03 PM I must say that the Lord of the Rings should have all its Badger characters fully restored, that was the funniest thing I have ever seen, very well not and some good dance moves.
Ravnos
03-19-04, 08:51 PM Githyanki - cool looking and tough.
Ceran
03-20-04, 08:48 AM Originally posted by Arilou_skiff
Nah, Valheru ain't CE, more like CN.

Things that can kill dragons:

Titanic, Half-Celestial, Paragon, Pseudonatural, Vampiric Badgers.

Solars (well, they could in 2nd. ed.! When Arrows of slaying a save did not allow)

That's the thing. The valheru existed before moral standards existed in the universe. Nuff said about that though.

I think advanced Solars could take out pretty much everything *g*
Vaalingrade Ashland
03-21-04, 03:50 AM I'll tell you what beats Dragons: Vorpal Kitties (http://www.ledgermaincomics.com/Images/Extras/dnd_stuff/vorpal_kitty.htm), that's what.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cyric the Dark Sun 12-13-03, 05:40 PM	Well it seems that on these boards, the dragons are revered as the coolest creatures. That dragons are allmighty and that dragon magic, weaponry and gods by far surpasses that of any other. Well I beg to differ!!! Come on! tell all about your hidden fantasies of dragon ass-kicking. Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse. Join in my foundation: Dragons the coolest? I beg to differ!
JadeFox 12-13-03, 05:43 PM	Incubi/Succubi. For their CR, nothing is better for terminating PC's. :smirk:
Derulbaskul 12-14-03, 04:44 AM	Originally posted by JadeFox For their CR, nothing is better for terminating PC's. :smirk: That's because their CRs are wrong. More accurately, dragons are the ONLY monsters where the designers arbitrarily decided to reduce the CRs to take into account the fact that the players would use sound tactics.
Isida Kep'Tukari 12-14-03, 04:48 AM	True dat. If I had used a full attack on my strongest most tricked-out PC with a dragon that was one CR below him... he would have been dead three times over. A full attack really isn't an option without having some PC deaths.
Gez 12-14-03, 04:48 AM	Dragons are the lords of the game. Their only rivals are dungeons. (Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.) But I find sphinxes very classy and cool.
Incenjucar 12-14-03, 04:51 AM	shrugs I've been dabbling with immense serpents that are rivals with dragons, and tend to prey on them by slithering in to their lairs, coiling around them to keep them from doing anything, then crushing them in to submission so they can swallow them.
Kain's avatar 12-14-03, 05:00 AM	Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.) All signs point to awesome! ;)
Shifting Master 12-14-03, 09:06 AM	Yuan-tis. Who ride dragons :behold:
WizO_Pony 12-14-03, 12:52 PM	Originally posted by Cyric the Dark Sun Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse. A warpony, with a little help from his paladin cohort. :D
bahamut_0 12-14-03, 01:11 PM	Badgers!!! Beware the badgers. They go unnoticed until one day.......... They stain your weapons with their blood. PC: Oh my god, what is that!! slash No, my favourite sword, badger blood on it! Takes the sword and plunges it through his chest Just you wait.....
Ob_Deamon 12-14-03, 01:34 PM	Originally posted by bahamut_0 Badgers!!! Beware the badgers. They go unnoticed until one day.......... They stain your weapons with their blood. PC: Oh my god, what is that!! slash No, my favourite sword, badger blood on it! Takes the sword and plunges it through his chest Just you wait..... :uh-huh: What the... Uhh... Does this even remotely make any sense? I mean— What the— Ahh scew it! Personally, I'm fond of fiends. And Kobolds. Hugely advanced Kobolds. Kobolds that earn epic levels the title "Rediculous levels". CR 148 Kobolds. Hehehehehehehe...
bahamut_0 12-14-03, 02:34 PM	It makes perfect sense and you know it! :D Seriuosly though, I love the Inevitables. Especially the Koyarut (spelling?). Inevitables rule. A CR 148 kobold. I've found my next BBEG.... :D
Edymnion 12-14-03, 03:00 PM	Originally posted by Kain's avatar All signs point to awesome! ;) Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal? The Stronghold Sentinal (http://www.geocities.com/edymnionii/Stronghold_Sentinal.html) I need to get around to rewriting the description so it doesn't sound so haphazard, but it'll give you the general idea.
Aeolius 12-14-03, 03:10 PM	flumphs... :D
Vaalingrade Ashland 12-14-03, 03:37 PM	Bigger Dragons. Or a half dragon phoenix :D
Edymnion 12-14-03, 03:53 PM	Half Iron Golem Red Dragon! Half Dragonflesh Golem Black Dragon! A Fiendish Gold Dragon!
Derulbaskul 12-14-03, 10:45 PM	Originally posted by Edymnion [B]Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal? Actually, it's spelt "sentinel" ("e" in place of the "a").
Eagle Prince 12-15-03, 02:49 AM	I don't know, you'll probably have a tough road ahead of you. Dragons are just that danged cool. Powerful vampires are probably just as cool. Those long desperado fighter-types like Elric, Vampire Hunter D, Aragorn, Conan, etc are sometimes just as cool or even a lot moreso. Werewolves and demons fall a little short. Its hard to say, but I'll go with vampires. They are cool, powerful, and popular just as much so as dragons.
Kain's avatar 12-15-03, 03:04 AM	Originally posted by Edymnion Lol, have you seen my 3.0 Stronghold Sentinal? The Stronghold Sentinal (http://www.geocities.com/edymnionii/Stronghold_Sentinal.html) I need to get around to rewriting the description so it doesn't sound so haphazard, but it'll give you the general idea. LOL, that's awesome! :thumbsup:
Gez 12-15-03, 05:01 AM	Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/)
Mr.Waesel 12-15-03, 09:22 AM	Originally posted by Edymnion Half Iron Golem Red Dragon! then it would lose its healing power :( A Teflammar Marilith (http://www.gamebanshee.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27459)
bahamut_0 12-15-03, 12:02 PM	Originally posted by Gez Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/) :bounce:
The Swedish Viking 12-15-03, 01:19 PM	Hmm... Half-Dragon Half-fiend Abyssal Shield Guardians armed with +5 Vorpal Greatswords of frost and fire.
Edymnion 12-15-03, 02:49 PM	Originally posted by Gez Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/) :rofl: No way, didn't you notice? For every snake there are like 50 badgers, shear force of numbers mean the badgers will destroy us all, especially if they start "injesting" all those 'shrooms! :D
El_Machinae 12-15-03, 04:37 PM	Lichs are cool. Actively seeking undeath, to augment your magical might, and allow you to have plans that span the centuries. ... that's pretty villainous
ieattrollsforbreakfast 12-15-03, 04:59 PM	Trolls are cool. (bet you didnt see that one coming!) Not only are they fun to fight and DM, but they are so easy to make more dangerous :D Half-Fiend Troll Half-Dragon Troll Half-Fey Troll Half-Golem Troll Paragon Troll Pseudonatural Troll Easy to template monster mean lots of fun :D I have found also that a lot of so called 'invulnerable' monsters are based around trolls, thanks to their regeneration. Lets see now then.....I think a troll could take out a dragon...perhaps.
WizO_Pony 12-15-03, 10:14 PM	Originally posted by Edymnion :rofl: No way, didn't you notice? For every snake there are like 50 badgers, shear force of numbers mean the badgers will destroy us all, especially if they start "injesting" all those 'shrooms! :D The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind.
Mr.Waesel 12-16-03, 06:32 AM	Originally posted by WizO_Pony The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind. They removed obey the crab!!! :eek: :OMG!
incarnadine 12-16-03, 11:00 AM	Paragon Shrieker!
bahamut_0 12-16-03, 11:38 AM	Originally posted by WizO_Pony The sequel (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/) explains how badgers are a force for good and mean us no harm. And with a true indentity like that, I have to admit that the snake probably could kick some serious dragon behind. Oh my god, I think I just :censored: myself from laughing so much. Classic... [Edited for masking. PS: Glad you liked it -Pony]
Northen_Spur 12-16-03, 12:31 PM	Originally posted by Gez Dragons are the lords of the game. Their only rivals are dungeons. (Hey, that's the most insanely munchkin construct one could imagine. An animated dungeon, a dungeon golem.) But I find sphinxes very classy and cool. So I'll just Send Dungeon man after any dragons! http://ebebaa.fateback.com/art/earthbound/dun_man01.html The only living man to have turned himself into a living Dungeon
Aceon 12-16-03, 11:36 PM	Valheru Dragon Lords (a race of chaotic evil demi-gods) :angel: 'Nuff said!!
Roran 12-17-03, 04:42 PM	Ok guys, Dragons look cool. Ive NEVER heard anyone say "Dragons are Almighty" or that CRAP Ok? So when you think of Dragons think of looks not power....... Because im sure a few Knights could bring one down..... Maybe
Cyric the Dark Sun 12-30-03, 08:25 PM	:sad: people are misunderstanding my post/foundation. It is a forum for people who does not like dragons very much!:b:
Arilou_skiff 01-02-04, 09:40 AM	Originally posted by Aceon Valheru Dragon Lords (a race of chaotic evil demi-gods) :angel: 'Nuff said!! Nah, Valheru ain't CE, more like CN. Things that can kill dragons: Titanic, Half-Celestial, Paragon, Pseudonatural, Vampiric Badgers. Solars (well, they could in 2nd. ed.! When Arrows of slaying a save did not allow)
Pennywise 01-02-04, 03:26 PM	Originally posted by Gez Badgers are impressive, but snakes kick their furry butts. (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/) Cant look away...Badger mind control, too strong...
GoodTeletubby 01-02-04, 07:27 PM	i'd have to say vaccuum elemental average body temperature of what? 2-3 kelvin? that's cool
Willie the Duck 01-03-04, 05:00 PM	dragons are definately sacred cows. There are alot about them I don't like: Spellcaster levels - Why are all dragons spellcasters? I certainly don't remember that from my favorite books. If you want some dragons to cast spells, give them sorcerer levels. Don't make it part of the package. Blindsense - Why? are dragons half bat (I can see the resemblance, mostly in the wings;))? give them darkvision so they don't need torches and leave it at that. I seem to remember stories of people sneaking past a distracted dragon, now it can't happen. Spell resistance - They already have rediculous saves, this is just insult after injury. Genius - Why are all non-white dragons super geniuses. I understand that you might want to have a particular dragon be a super genius, but not all of them. certainly nothing over 18-20 is needed for any of the mental stats, but they all seem to be in the 20-40 range. and of course Deliberate CR fudging - CR is supposed to measure how much of a challenge a given encounter. If dragons are supposed to be the best of the best, they should have a commesurately high CR!
KingDubya 03-18-04, 05:17 PM	Originally posted by Cyric the Dark Sun Name creatures and such that would kick dragon arse. i could say that anything could beat a dragon if it were at a high enough level (my little brother could destroy one with his lvl 5 half-orc barbarian), but that would be insulting my fave creature.
IceFractal 03-18-04, 07:33 PM	A level 500 commoner of course, who just took the epic feat which increases strength for every feat.
Shiron 03-18-04, 11:03 PM	I must say that the Lord of the Rings should have all its Badger characters fully restored, that was the funniest thing I have ever seen, very well not and some good dance moves.
Ravnos 03-19-04, 08:51 PM	Githyanki - cool looking and tough.
Ceran 03-20-04, 08:48 AM	Originally posted by Arilou_skiff Nah, Valheru ain't CE, more like CN. Things that can kill dragons: Titanic, Half-Celestial, Paragon, Pseudonatural, Vampiric Badgers. Solars (well, they could in 2nd. ed.! When Arrows of slaying a save did not allow) That's the thing. The valheru existed before moral standards existed in the universe. Nuff said about that though. I think advanced Solars could take out pretty much everything g
Vaalingrade Ashland 03-21-04, 03:50 AM	I'll tell you what beats Dragons: Vorpal Kitties (http://www.ledgermaincomics.com/Images/Extras/dnd_stuff/vorpal_kitty.htm), that's what.