Dragons vs....? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dragons vs....? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Bannik
05-11-07, 02:28 PM okay guys can you tell me of a creature that is as powerful gamewise and battlewise as a dragon of the same level...
TacoClone
05-11-07, 02:30 PM Er...that all depends on the age of the dragons...no other creature really ages and gains power like they do.
Bannik
05-11-07, 02:41 PM so there isnt a single creature capable of being as strong as a wyrm?
TacoClone
05-11-07, 02:52 PM I didn't say that...I said you can't just say "What's as strong as a dragon" when dragons have like ten different CRs depending on what it's age is.
Silversheen197
05-11-07, 03:11 PM To answer your question, you need to tell us what age category (wyrmling, very young, young, juvenile, young adult, adult, mature adult, old, very old, ancient, wyrm, or great wyrm), and perhaps what color (as certain colors aren't as strong as others). Supply us with that information, and we'll name more creatures than you can handle with about the same power level.
Skyshroud7
05-11-07, 03:29 PM Powerful, a dragon would get torn to shreds by a Tarrasque but as far as battle wise, I would say demons are pretty sly combatants :)
PhaedrusXY
05-11-07, 03:54 PM At the lower CR levels, lots of things are as scary as an equal CR dragon. Take the Remorhaz, for example. At CR 7, it has a burrow speed, Improved Grab, Swallow Whole, a +23 grapple check, and to quote another board member, an "atomic stomach".

Just by using the tactics listed in its entry, you are very likely to kill at least one PC with it. And if the other PCs do manage to hit it in melee, their weapons are likely be destroyed. Depending on how things go, it could easily eat an entire level 7 party.

I'd say this is comparable to a young red dragon (also CR 7).

An 8-headed hydra is also CR 7, and could be quite nasty, depending on the circumstances and party.

The Tendriculous is only CR 6, but is horrible with tons of immunities, improved grab, swallow whole, paralysis, and regeneration.

Well-played vampires and their spawn can be devestating against a party that lacks a good cleric, or even one that includes one, if the vampires have a way to counter his turning (a cleric of their own, etc). This is particularly true of low CR vampires, and I've seen even a lone vampire spawn easily wtfpwn an appropriate level party.
Darth Sephiroth
05-11-07, 04:29 PM I think the Outsiders are somewhat of a match for equal CR. If I remember right most of the Devils, Demons, and Celestials as well as Dragons have a slightly Lower CR for their actual abilities.
turalisj
05-11-07, 04:54 PM Solar angels vs Great Wyrm Red dragon, as presented in the back of dracominocon. Who would win?
Naderion
05-11-07, 05:54 PM Depends really exteremly on the circumstances. The CR says the Dragon has a slightly better chance, but there are always a lot of chance-rolls in a combat and even simple tricks can radically alter the chances.
obrysii
05-11-07, 11:33 PM Powerful, a dragon would get torn to shreds by a Tarrasque but as far as battle wise, I would say demons are pretty sly combatants :)

Ha! The Tarrasque is NO MATCH in melee or in general combat with a Great Wyrm. A Great Wyrm outmatches it physically, mentally (ten fold), and magically. A Great Wyrm could SOLO the Tarrasque.

Solar angels vs Great Wyrm Red dragon, as presented in the back of dracominocon. Who would win?

How many solars? One solar vs. One great red wyrm? No contest. The Solar has potentially age on the dragon, but besides that it lacks anything that would cause the dragon to suffer the solar's existence.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Bannik 05-11-07, 02:28 PM	okay guys can you tell me of a creature that is as powerful gamewise and battlewise as a dragon of the same level...
TacoClone 05-11-07, 02:30 PM	Er...that all depends on the age of the dragons...no other creature really ages and gains power like they do.
Bannik 05-11-07, 02:41 PM	so there isnt a single creature capable of being as strong as a wyrm?
TacoClone 05-11-07, 02:52 PM	I didn't say that...I said you can't just say "What's as strong as a dragon" when dragons have like ten different CRs depending on what it's age is.
Silversheen197 05-11-07, 03:11 PM	To answer your question, you need to tell us what age category (wyrmling, very young, young, juvenile, young adult, adult, mature adult, old, very old, ancient, wyrm, or great wyrm), and perhaps what color (as certain colors aren't as strong as others). Supply us with that information, and we'll name more creatures than you can handle with about the same power level.
Skyshroud7 05-11-07, 03:29 PM	Powerful, a dragon would get torn to shreds by a Tarrasque but as far as battle wise, I would say demons are pretty sly combatants :)
PhaedrusXY 05-11-07, 03:54 PM	At the lower CR levels, lots of things are as scary as an equal CR dragon. Take the Remorhaz, for example. At CR 7, it has a burrow speed, Improved Grab, Swallow Whole, a +23 grapple check, and to quote another board member, an "atomic stomach". Just by using the tactics listed in its entry, you are very likely to kill at least one PC with it. And if the other PCs do manage to hit it in melee, their weapons are likely be destroyed. Depending on how things go, it could easily eat an entire level 7 party. I'd say this is comparable to a young red dragon (also CR 7). An 8-headed hydra is also CR 7, and could be quite nasty, depending on the circumstances and party. The Tendriculous is only CR 6, but is horrible with tons of immunities, improved grab, swallow whole, paralysis, and regeneration. Well-played vampires and their spawn can be devestating against a party that lacks a good cleric, or even one that includes one, if the vampires have a way to counter his turning (a cleric of their own, etc). This is particularly true of low CR vampires, and I've seen even a lone vampire spawn easily wtfpwn an appropriate level party.
Darth Sephiroth 05-11-07, 04:29 PM	I think the Outsiders are somewhat of a match for equal CR. If I remember right most of the Devils, Demons, and Celestials as well as Dragons have a slightly Lower CR for their actual abilities.
turalisj 05-11-07, 04:54 PM	Solar angels vs Great Wyrm Red dragon, as presented in the back of dracominocon. Who would win?
Naderion 05-11-07, 05:54 PM	Depends really exteremly on the circumstances. The CR says the Dragon has a slightly better chance, but there are always a lot of chance-rolls in a combat and even simple tricks can radically alter the chances.
obrysii 05-11-07, 11:33 PM	Powerful, a dragon would get torn to shreds by a Tarrasque but as far as battle wise, I would say demons are pretty sly combatants :) Ha! The Tarrasque is NO MATCH in melee or in general combat with a Great Wyrm. A Great Wyrm outmatches it physically, mentally (ten fold), and magically. A Great Wyrm could SOLO the Tarrasque. Solar angels vs Great Wyrm Red dragon, as presented in the back of dracominocon. Who would win? How many solars? One solar vs. One great red wyrm? No contest. The Solar has potentially age on the dragon, but besides that it lacks anything that would cause the dragon to suffer the solar's existence.