ECL of some monsters of MMI, MMII and FF [Archive] - Wizards Community

ECL of some monsters of MMI, MMII and FF [Archive] - Wizards Community

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alex2003
01-23-04, 04:50 AM Hi there, I'm confused looking at the ECL of some monsters. The best example is the Aurumnach Rilmani in the Fiend Folio.

It has 16HD and a lot of special abilities resulting in an ECL of 25. Alright. Then I have a look at the Epic Level Handbook (including the error corrections of course) and I find the White Slaad as an level equivalent 24 character.

Come on... the White Slaad is much stronger. The Aurumnach wouldn't stand long enough against him (especially regarding the damage reduction of the Slaad).

Now to my question: taking into account the rules of the Savage Species book, the Aurumnach is much too expensive regarding levels, because the "strong" powers like DR, SR, .... don't have such a great effect at levels around 20. So, I would rather suggest to give him a ECL of 20.

What do you think?

Alexander
cwslyclgh
01-23-04, 04:52 AM I think the white slaad is underrated. ECL rating was very much in its infancy when the ELH written, but by todays (3.5) standards the number are way off... ECL is equal to Level Adjustment + racial HD... are we realy expected to believe that a white Slaad has a level adjustment of +0 (as it already has 24 HD)... I think not!

Wes :)
the_heart
01-23-04, 05:01 AM yep, most of the ECL's can be a little off depending on the style of game you play, but nothing that can't be fixed.

but i'd just ignore the ones in the epic handbook, they don't even come close. and some are just plain silly.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
alex2003 01-23-04, 04:50 AM	Hi there, I'm confused looking at the ECL of some monsters. The best example is the Aurumnach Rilmani in the Fiend Folio. It has 16HD and a lot of special abilities resulting in an ECL of 25. Alright. Then I have a look at the Epic Level Handbook (including the error corrections of course) and I find the White Slaad as an level equivalent 24 character. Come on... the White Slaad is much stronger. The Aurumnach wouldn't stand long enough against him (especially regarding the damage reduction of the Slaad). Now to my question: taking into account the rules of the Savage Species book, the Aurumnach is much too expensive regarding levels, because the "strong" powers like DR, SR, .... don't have such a great effect at levels around 20. So, I would rather suggest to give him a ECL of 20. What do you think? Alexander
cwslyclgh 01-23-04, 04:52 AM	I think the white slaad is underrated. ECL rating was very much in its infancy when the ELH written, but by todays (3.5) standards the number are way off... ECL is equal to Level Adjustment + racial HD... are we realy expected to believe that a white Slaad has a level adjustment of +0 (as it already has 24 HD)... I think not! Wes :)
the_heart 01-23-04, 05:01 AM	yep, most of the ECL's can be a little off depending on the style of game you play, but nothing that can't be fixed. but i'd just ignore the ones in the epic handbook, they don't even come close. and some are just plain silly.