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Tweedledope
06-22-04, 04:31 PM I was just looking at some of the vermin in the Monster Manual and began to get great ideas for Entomanothropes (as described on the D&D Website). However, I have a few questions.

1. Any ideas on a Werebee? In the book (and in real life) bees die when they sting someone. Would this hold true for an entomanothropic bee? I could just imagine a halfling running around with a big stinger and alternating yellow and black striped fur...anyways...

2. How about a centipede. How would a hybrid centipede work? Would they have tons of arms or what? It's kind of odd I think. But, moving on...

3. Wouldn't a werespider be more like a drider in hybrid form? That's how I would portray them but with more ettercapish or araneatic facial features...

These are just some questions I have and I hope that I can get some answers or advice. BTW, WotC...I love the idea of Entomanothropes. ;)

-=Tweedledope=-
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
06-22-04, 04:35 PM For good pictures of werespiders, find a copy of either the Players Guide to the Changing Breeds, or the Ananasi book, both by white wolf.

The Ananasi Werespiders are the coolest things on the block. It also gives you an idea of the typical personality of a werespider...
obrysii
06-22-04, 04:40 PM 1. I would say yes, they would die

2. It would probably be tall and have many nubs, but only two functional arms

3. A werespider would look like an Insectile human/whatever it's base race is, I would reckon, except it would have abdomen and more spindily legs (depending on the spider type, though).

I love this new template!
Adrez Nesnsid
06-22-04, 05:55 PM I would say that an entomanothropic bee would die after stinging somebody, but only if they remained in bee form after detaching the stinger; if they immediately changed back into their regular form after stinging they would probably would be OK, because most creatures don't have any part on their regular bodies which would be equivalent to a stinger, and, thus, there wouldn't be any sort of hole or anything on their regular body where the stinger was detached, because their regular body has no equivalent part to be missing (Or, optionally, entomanothropic bee characters from some animal-like non-core races might find themselves missing their tails, but nothing more serious than that).
Shifting Master
06-22-04, 06:12 PM 1. Does a normal giant bee die after stinging someone? I'm not sure, but it is the answer to the question.

2. They would have many arms, but none would be useful except for their normal arms and legs.

3. I agree with Adrez.
obrysii
06-22-04, 06:18 PM Originally posted by Shifting Master
1. Does a normal giant bee die after stinging someone? I'm not sure, but it is the answer to the question.

Yes, it does. At least as of the MM 3.0 and the SRD

To quote the SRD:

A giant bee that successfully stings another creature pulls away, leaving its stinger in the creature. The bee then dies.
Tweedledope
06-22-04, 06:36 PM My primary concern for the bee was that as previously noted. There is no appendage that would become the stinger so it would be quite hard for it to rip off and kill you. I could see it removing itself from your body but not causing you harm as you are being mystically transformed into hybrid or animal form. My thought was that the stinger would detach itself causing you no harm and would regrow everyday.

Another comment about the werebee. Bee stingers are similar to porcupine quills in that if you are stung and leave the stinger in you it will burrow into your skin. Why do they forget to mention this part. To me, this would be more painful than the initial sting itself and possibly cause additional damage. My idea was as follows.

If the bee stinger is not removed after 1 round then it begins to burrow into the skin causing 1d3 damage/round until it is removed with a successfull Heal (Treat Injury) check DC 15. For every round that the stinger stays in the DC for removal goes up by and incriment of 3.

I don't know, that would be my personal rule just to make wearbees a little tougher. Afterall, I've been stung by a wasp and a bee in real life and the bee hurt MUCH more than the wasp.

-=Tweedledope=-
NightScreamer20
06-22-04, 06:46 PM I'd rather be a Were-Bombadier Beetle...

And no...I don't know why...

or...Were-Giant Praying Mantis! Anyone ever seen the old movie 'Meet the Applegates'? :D
Incenjucar
06-22-04, 06:58 PM ...Now.. why do intelligent beings (since they don't have that - Int) have an immunity to mind-effecting effects?
Tweedledope
06-22-04, 07:07 PM Because without some form of special ability it would be really pretty crappy. And they can change to a pure insectile form where they revert to their non intelligent ways.
Walter Russ
06-22-04, 08:25 PM 3.5 Giant Bees die after stinging (apparently) immediately. Giant Wasps do not however, so a Werewasp seems to be a better choice.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
06-22-04, 09:11 PM Originally posted by Tweedledope
3. Wouldn't a werespider be more like a drider in hybrid form? That's how I would portray them but with more ettercapish or araneatic facial features...

Well, according to last time a Werespider appeared in D&D (back in 2e), its hybrid form resembled an extremely muscular humanoid with gigantic fangs and 8 eyes.
NightScreamer20
06-22-04, 09:29 PM Originally posted by Tweedledope
Because without some form of special ability it would be really pretty crappy. And they can change to a pure insectile form where they revert to their non intelligent ways.

Huh? No they can't, they keep their own 'Mind' ability scores which would be Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Like a Druid in Wild Shape...but different.
obrysii
06-22-04, 10:00 PM I think this new template solved my "Vermin ECL" question.

If this template, with all it has, is +2 LA, then the (awakened)vermin alone without all the added stuff couldn't be more then +1 or +2, right?
Moiner
06-24-04, 11:57 AM I'm cuorious. Is theore a reoason why woe've inoserted ano extora -o- intoto the worod entomanthrope?

Don'to geot me woronog. I enojoyo tohe iodea of a humoanoiod turoning inoto a boig oinosecot as mucoh as theo nexot guyo, buot heterogoraphy peroturbs me inotenosely.

Perohapos a boit oof edioting is ion orodeor?
headlessfriar
06-24-04, 04:33 PM oMoineoro: Because entomanothrope makes people think of entomologist, and the word makes sense, while entomanthrope makes people think of something that turns into a low-fat brownie under a full moon.
Moiner
06-24-04, 04:41 PM Originally posted by headlessfriar
oMoineoro: Because entomanothrope makes people think of entomologist, and the word makes sense, while entomanthrope makes people think of something that turns into a low-fat brownie under a full moon.

The problem is that the solecism *doesn't* make sense.

Put the word "lycanthrope" and the solecism "entomanothrope" (sic) side by side, and you can see why.

Call me a misanothrope, or a misguided anothropologist, but languages work the way they do for a *reason*. We don't get to throw extra letters in just because we don't understand how to form words properly.
Tweedledope
06-24-04, 07:01 PM I just noticed something that would help with my argument for the werebee. The bees presented in the monster manual are medium size and for purposes of entomanothropy you can have your animal form as one size larger than your own. So, if you just advance a bee to large size then I would be able to use that creature and smudge the results on the death by stinging stuff...sound good?
obrysii
06-24-04, 07:22 PM A Halfling Werebee would work.

Increasing size doesn't take away weaknesses.

It still dies when it stings...

In real life, when a bee stings and then flies away, it's entire intestines are left behind, to pump the poison into the sting wound. I don't see how this would be any different in DnD.

In otherwords: the moment it stings, regardless of size, it dies.
NightScreamer20
06-24-04, 07:50 PM Could swarms be Entomanothropes? Think about it...
Adrez Nesnsid
06-24-04, 10:29 PM Originally posted by obrysii
A Halfling Werebee would work.

Increasing size doesn't take away weaknesses.

It still dies when it stings...

In real life, when a bee stings and then flies away, it's entire intestines are left behind, to pump the poison into the sting wound. I don't see how this would be any different in DnD.

In otherwords: the moment it stings, regardless of size, it dies.

Hmm... WHat if an entomanothrope were to sting somebody and then didn't move away from the person stung until after they had changed back into their regular form?
obrysii
06-25-04, 12:54 AM Originally posted by Adrez Nesnsid
Hmm... WHat if an entomanothrope were to sting somebody and then didn't move away from the person stung until after they had changed back into their regular form?

Then they deal with being prone with a quite-alive enemy attached to their buttocks while they take that standard action to shift back?

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Tweedledope 06-22-04, 04:31 PM	I was just looking at some of the vermin in the Monster Manual and began to get great ideas for Entomanothropes (as described on the D&D Website). However, I have a few questions. 1. Any ideas on a Werebee? In the book (and in real life) bees die when they sting someone. Would this hold true for an entomanothropic bee? I could just imagine a halfling running around with a big stinger and alternating yellow and black striped fur...anyways... 2. How about a centipede. How would a hybrid centipede work? Would they have tons of arms or what? It's kind of odd I think. But, moving on... 3. Wouldn't a werespider be more like a drider in hybrid form? That's how I would portray them but with more ettercapish or araneatic facial features... These are just some questions I have and I hope that I can get some answers or advice. BTW, WotC...I love the idea of Entomanothropes. ;) -=Tweedledope=-
Khaibit_Ema_Neteru 06-22-04, 04:35 PM	For good pictures of werespiders, find a copy of either the Players Guide to the Changing Breeds, or the Ananasi book, both by white wolf. The Ananasi Werespiders are the coolest things on the block. It also gives you an idea of the typical personality of a werespider...
obrysii 06-22-04, 04:40 PM	1. I would say yes, they would die 2. It would probably be tall and have many nubs, but only two functional arms 3. A werespider would look like an Insectile human/whatever it's base race is, I would reckon, except it would have abdomen and more spindily legs (depending on the spider type, though). I love this new template!
Adrez Nesnsid 06-22-04, 05:55 PM	I would say that an entomanothropic bee would die after stinging somebody, but only if they remained in bee form after detaching the stinger; if they immediately changed back into their regular form after stinging they would probably would be OK, because most creatures don't have any part on their regular bodies which would be equivalent to a stinger, and, thus, there wouldn't be any sort of hole or anything on their regular body where the stinger was detached, because their regular body has no equivalent part to be missing (Or, optionally, entomanothropic bee characters from some animal-like non-core races might find themselves missing their tails, but nothing more serious than that).
Shifting Master 06-22-04, 06:12 PM	1. Does a normal giant bee die after stinging someone? I'm not sure, but it is the answer to the question. 2. They would have many arms, but none would be useful except for their normal arms and legs. 3. I agree with Adrez.
obrysii 06-22-04, 06:18 PM	Originally posted by Shifting Master 1. Does a normal giant bee die after stinging someone? I'm not sure, but it is the answer to the question. Yes, it does. At least as of the MM 3.0 and the SRD To quote the SRD: A giant bee that successfully stings another creature pulls away, leaving its stinger in the creature. The bee then dies.
Tweedledope 06-22-04, 06:36 PM	My primary concern for the bee was that as previously noted. There is no appendage that would become the stinger so it would be quite hard for it to rip off and kill you. I could see it removing itself from your body but not causing you harm as you are being mystically transformed into hybrid or animal form. My thought was that the stinger would detach itself causing you no harm and would regrow everyday. Another comment about the werebee. Bee stingers are similar to porcupine quills in that if you are stung and leave the stinger in you it will burrow into your skin. Why do they forget to mention this part. To me, this would be more painful than the initial sting itself and possibly cause additional damage. My idea was as follows. If the bee stinger is not removed after 1 round then it begins to burrow into the skin causing 1d3 damage/round until it is removed with a successfull Heal (Treat Injury) check DC 15. For every round that the stinger stays in the DC for removal goes up by and incriment of 3. I don't know, that would be my personal rule just to make wearbees a little tougher. Afterall, I've been stung by a wasp and a bee in real life and the bee hurt MUCH more than the wasp. -=Tweedledope=-
NightScreamer20 06-22-04, 06:46 PM	I'd rather be a Were-Bombadier Beetle... And no...I don't know why... or...Were-Giant Praying Mantis! Anyone ever seen the old movie 'Meet the Applegates'? :D
Incenjucar 06-22-04, 06:58 PM	...Now.. why do intelligent beings (since they don't have that - Int) have an immunity to mind-effecting effects?
Tweedledope 06-22-04, 07:07 PM	Because without some form of special ability it would be really pretty crappy. And they can change to a pure insectile form where they revert to their non intelligent ways.
Walter Russ 06-22-04, 08:25 PM	3.5 Giant Bees die after stinging (apparently) immediately. Giant Wasps do not however, so a Werewasp seems to be a better choice.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 06-22-04, 09:11 PM	Originally posted by Tweedledope 3. Wouldn't a werespider be more like a drider in hybrid form? That's how I would portray them but with more ettercapish or araneatic facial features... Well, according to last time a Werespider appeared in D&D (back in 2e), its hybrid form resembled an extremely muscular humanoid with gigantic fangs and 8 eyes.
NightScreamer20 06-22-04, 09:29 PM	Originally posted by Tweedledope Because without some form of special ability it would be really pretty crappy. And they can change to a pure insectile form where they revert to their non intelligent ways. Huh? No they can't, they keep their own 'Mind' ability scores which would be Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Like a Druid in Wild Shape...but different.
obrysii 06-22-04, 10:00 PM	I think this new template solved my "Vermin ECL" question. If this template, with all it has, is +2 LA, then the (awakened)vermin alone without all the added stuff couldn't be more then +1 or +2, right?
Moiner 06-24-04, 11:57 AM	I'm cuorious. Is theore a reoason why woe've inoserted ano extora -o- intoto the worod entomanthrope? Don'to geot me woronog. I enojoyo tohe iodea of a humoanoiod turoning inoto a boig oinosecot as mucoh as theo nexot guyo, buot heterogoraphy peroturbs me inotenosely. Perohapos a boit oof edioting is ion orodeor?
headlessfriar 06-24-04, 04:33 PM	oMoineoro: Because entomanothrope makes people think of entomologist, and the word makes sense, while entomanthrope makes people think of something that turns into a low-fat brownie under a full moon.
Moiner 06-24-04, 04:41 PM	Originally posted by headlessfriar oMoineoro: Because entomanothrope makes people think of entomologist, and the word makes sense, while entomanthrope makes people think of something that turns into a low-fat brownie under a full moon. The problem is that the solecism doesn't make sense. Put the word "lycanthrope" and the solecism "entomanothrope" (sic) side by side, and you can see why. Call me a misanothrope, or a misguided anothropologist, but languages work the way they do for a reason. We don't get to throw extra letters in just because we don't understand how to form words properly.
Tweedledope 06-24-04, 07:01 PM	I just noticed something that would help with my argument for the werebee. The bees presented in the monster manual are medium size and for purposes of entomanothropy you can have your animal form as one size larger than your own. So, if you just advance a bee to large size then I would be able to use that creature and smudge the results on the death by stinging stuff...sound good?
obrysii 06-24-04, 07:22 PM	A Halfling Werebee would work. Increasing size doesn't take away weaknesses. It still dies when it stings... In real life, when a bee stings and then flies away, it's entire intestines are left behind, to pump the poison into the sting wound. I don't see how this would be any different in DnD. In otherwords: the moment it stings, regardless of size, it dies.
NightScreamer20 06-24-04, 07:50 PM	Could swarms be Entomanothropes? Think about it...
Adrez Nesnsid 06-24-04, 10:29 PM	Originally posted by obrysii A Halfling Werebee would work. Increasing size doesn't take away weaknesses. It still dies when it stings... In real life, when a bee stings and then flies away, it's entire intestines are left behind, to pump the poison into the sting wound. I don't see how this would be any different in DnD. In otherwords: the moment it stings, regardless of size, it dies. Hmm... WHat if an entomanothrope were to sting somebody and then didn't move away from the person stung until after they had changed back into their regular form?
obrysii 06-25-04, 12:54 AM	Originally posted by Adrez Nesnsid Hmm... WHat if an entomanothrope were to sting somebody and then didn't move away from the person stung until after they had changed back into their regular form? Then they deal with being prone with a quite-alive enemy attached to their buttocks while they take that standard action to shift back?